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Griffin
October 26th, 2010, 01:41 AM
The Book of Battle at the Baxter Building Scenario

C3G MARVEL FANTASTIC FOUR MASTER SET
FANTASTIC FORCES UNITE!

http://c3ggames.com/C3G/released/maps/C3G_BaxterBuilding.png

Download Scenario PDF File. (http://c3ggames.com/C3G/released/scenarios/C3G-SCENARIO_BattleAtTheBaxterBuilding.pdf)


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-Rulings and Clarifications-

This Scenario is part of the Fantastic Forces Unite - Campaign (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?p=1096822)
Required Sets: 1 Rise of the Valkyrie Master Set, 2 Fortress of the Archkyrie Expansion Sets, 2 Marvel: The Conflict Begins Master Sets_______________________________________________

-Strategy, Tactics and Tips-


N/A-Heroscapers Community Contributions-
Griffin (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=1242407&postcount=4)
Bats (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=1244718&postcount=13)

Griffin
October 26th, 2010, 01:44 AM
Sorry for the poor pics, but my V-scape is having issues, so it will have to do for now. Also, I am sending out the map instructions to Gr3ny so that they can share it with all of us.

IAmBatman
October 26th, 2010, 10:24 PM
Nice and straightforward! I like it and look forward to helping playtest it, hopefully! :-) I'm guessing you want to do the initial playtests on all of these, or are you open to Hahma or I doing initial playtests?
Spidey - were you planning to do those Scenario Bios? Since you're doing the Journal entries, it seems to make sense - keep them all in the same "voice."

Griffin
October 28th, 2010, 02:17 AM
CHAPTER 1: Baxter Building
Mr Fan, Thing, Invisible Woman, and Human Torch VS Puppet Master, She-Hulk, x4 Civilians and Iron Man.

Thing and Human Torch won with 3 wounds on Thing and 2 on HT. PM started off by looking into the B-Building and turning the Fan 4 on each other, then the Fan 4 grabbed some glyphs and came after PM. Iron Man and Civilians ran interference, but mostly PM stayed on height and just kept forcing the Adventurers to fight each other. PM took some damage, and then avoided any more by constantly hitting his Reactive Mind Control. PM forced Human Torch to burn up and kill a bunch of Civilians (hoping to use excessive force) and so he did. She-Hulk got pinned down and had a HUGE Clobberin Time attack by Thing because Mr Fan had 4 wounds, so that was two attacks 10! That killed her. Invisible Woman got into big trouble with Iron Man, so she left and took a Respite. Iron Man killed Mr Fan, then Thing killed him back. Human Torch ran away, because he was useless, and Thing took on the remaining Civilians and PM's constant control frustrating him terribly. Finally, Thing killed Puppet Master, secured the Medicine glyph, and finished off the remaining Civilians with mercy.

Player 1 wins with only Mr Fan dead, and control of the Experimental Medicine.

I will continue my campaign tomorrow. :D

IAmBatman
October 28th, 2010, 02:23 AM
Yipes! So are you planning to burn your resurrection early on Mr. Fantastic or just move on without him in Subterranea?

Griffin
October 28th, 2010, 02:32 AM
Yipes! So are you planning to burn your resurrection early on Mr. Fantastic or just move on without him in Subterranea?
I will save it for later when I need him. For now, I will blow through some other Adventurers, and Flash could be great against the Moloids and especially running across the water to get that other revive glyph from Namor.

IAmBatman
October 28th, 2010, 02:38 AM
Cool. And there's really no limit to the Adventurer/Scientist pool other than what units have been designed and are available anyway, right?

Griffin
October 28th, 2010, 02:39 AM
Cool. And there's really no limit to the Adventurer/Scientist pool other than what units have been designed and are available anyway, right?
Right. The only limit is on how many exist, and how many player 2 kills. :twisted:

IAmBatman
October 28th, 2010, 02:40 AM
And that first limit will be lessened over time.

Hahma
October 30th, 2010, 07:10 AM
Great report Griff. :thumbsup:

IAmBatman
October 30th, 2010, 10:55 AM
Built this last night! :-) It looks cool and I hope to play the scenario this afternoon/evening.

Griffin
October 30th, 2010, 03:33 PM
Awesome. :D

IAmBatman
October 30th, 2010, 05:04 PM
Test One: Puppet Master's team won initiative and Puppet Master took control of Human Torch right away and went Supernova on Mr. Fantastic and Invisible Woman, putting 1 wound on him, two wounds on her, and nullifying Human Torch's powers for the rest of the game! As the game progressed, Puppet Master surrounded the Fan Four with Civilians, holding them off, and forcing them to attack (2 Civilians died from Excessive Force this way). Invisible Woman was off Glyph chasing, and this opened Mr. Fantastic up for some wounds from Civilians.
Mr. Fantastic and Invisible Woman went off to corner Puppet Master while Thing was tied up by Civilians, but Puppet Master's Reactive Mind Control proved too tough. He then used an adjacent Invisible Woman (moved there through Reactive Mind Control) to attack Mr. Fantastic (eliminating Mr. Fantastic's defensive bonus) from height, and finish him off. Puppet Master used She-Hulk to finish Invisible Woman then and Iron Man to kill off Thing and Human Torch. Brutal game overall! I think I made some tactical errors, but it was a bad time for the Fan Four. :-) On Griff's advice, I'm going to try it again with three squads of Civvies and altered start zones so that Puppet Master can't control any Fan Four members on his first turn.

Tests Two and Three were done with altered start zones and only three sets of Civilians.

Test Two: The Fan Four lost in 6 rounds this time. Both Invisible Woman and Human Torch pulled out of the test with one life left, hoping to survive for future scenarios (Human Torch had gone Supernova already - this time it was his decision - and he put one wound on She-Hulk and killed one Civilian). Only one Civilian was killed with Excessive Force. A full life Puppet Master, one Civilian, and a 2 wound She-Hulk survived for the win. Mr. Fantastic used the Experimental Medicine Glyph once to heal three wounds. She-Hulk just tore through them, making up for Puppet Master's less successful D20 rolling this time around.

Test Three: The Fan Four lost with all four units dying naturally on Turn 1 of Round 6 with three Civilians, 1 life Iron Man, and full life Puppet Master left. Puppet Master rolled pretty typically and turned the offensive might of the Fan Four in on itself. It wasn't pretty and I didn't have a chance to use the Experimental Medicine to save anyone (Invisible Woman had it and couldn't get an Order Marker in time and Mr. Fantastic couldn't get to it in time since he died from a single attack from She-Hulk).

I think I'd have a much better shot at this one if I drafted Flash, but that feels cheap. I think it should be winnable with the Fan Four. I clearly did much worse here than Griff in all three tests.

Test 4: I tested the rewritten version and declared Human Torch the one immune to Puppeteer 14. He performed well, risking disegagement swipes left and right and taking out Civilians with Fired Up. He went Supernova and rolled 6 skulls, putting 3 wounds on Iron Man, killing two Civilians with Excessive Force, and putting 5 wounds on She-Hulk. Puppet Master reactive mind controlled him, though, avoiding the Supernova and Human Torch took his third wound from falling damage. At this point, I decided to remove Human Torch from the game and save him from death. Iron Man, with his last life, flew over and killed Invisible Woman (who was on height). Thing finished off Iron Man, then battled with She-Hulk, who put a fourth wound on Mr. Fantastic, who also retreated, taking the shrinking ray gun glyph with him. Thing finished off She-Hulk then, with only one wound, killed the last Civilian, and picked up the experimental medicine glyph. Then Puppet Master, with a combination of height on top of the central tower in his startzone, Reactive Mind Control, and Puppeteer 14, sent Thing chasing around the map, barely being able to get up the ladder to swing at him, and never landing a wound. Had the rolls gone slightly differently, I think Thing could've still won this one, but that was a bad situation to end in when Puppeteer only had to run out the 10 rounds to win - and he did!

Test 5: Thing was immune this time. I decided I had to win this game to continue the campaign, so I didn't pull anyone out with respite. This time around Puppet Master finally died! But not before sending other Fan Four and Iron Man over to kill Thing. Invisible Woman tried being an assassin to Puppet Master, but he used Reactive Mind Control to foil her and She-Hulk to kill her. Mr. Fantastic finally killed off Puppet Master and he and Mr. Fantastic had a shot together against She-Hulk (a supernova put 3 wounds on her), but they couldn't get that last life off of her. She-Hulk with 1 life and 3 Civilians survived to win. For me, anyway, this scenario still favors the villains. It's close enough to feel balanced for the scenario itself, but not for the larger campaign. I think I'll try the Willpower power getting around Puppet Master's Reactive Mind Control as well ...

Test 6: The good news? I finally beat it - with 2 life Mr. Fantastic, and 4 life Thing, and 4 life Human Torch left (Sue died). I even had both glyphs at the end (though just barely). The bad news? I took the extra Adventurer off of Puppet Master's team in order to accomplish this and that's what I think it takes.

Hahma
October 30th, 2010, 10:28 PM
Wow, based on Griffs report I had been worried that the FF4 would have it easy early on in the campaign, but seems like that's not the case. :p

Great job with the tests Bats.:thumbsup:

Griffin
October 30th, 2010, 10:31 PM
Honestly, after Bats' tests, I am concerned things may be too difficult for the Fan 4. :shock:

Hahma
October 30th, 2010, 10:52 PM
Honestly, after Bats' tests, I am concerned things may be too difficult for the Fan 4. :shock:

But you breezed right through them, is it the player player or something else? :ponder: :D

IAmBatman
October 30th, 2010, 11:53 PM
Yeah, I think the problem is I'm just awesome with Puppet Master. :-P I think we're going to tweak the map with some ruins for additional playtesting (I got the file and it looks good, Griff) and I'm going to try more of a Puppet Master assassination approach so he doesn't kill the Fan Four when they all band together.
I hope to run the next test soon, but it might be a bit ... if need be, I'll trim it down to 2 squads of Civvies.
I think the thing to keep in mind is the heroes should have the definite advantage because they're trying to win the campaign as a whole, not just this scenario. A single loss in the campaign for Player 1 really means a win on the whole for Player 2. So even if Player 1 wins a battle, they might, by letting an important hero get killed, lose the war. Something to keep in mind in terms of the big picture of evaluating balance in these scenarios. :-)

Hahma
October 31st, 2010, 12:01 AM
For sure, that's why I posted somewhere before about the heroes having it easier at the beginning of the campaign and getting harder toward the end. Both player 1 and 2 should have an opportunity to win overall, not just the scenarios. :D

IAmBatman
October 31st, 2010, 12:04 AM
Yeah - I'm hoping I can survive my next scenario test for this one! Puppet Master just has too many answers to throw at the Fan Four. Hard for Invisible Woman's invisibility to protect her when Puppet Master can take control of Thing from across the map and have him smack her in the face!

Griffin
October 31st, 2010, 12:09 AM
Yeah - I'm hoping I can survive my next scenario test for this one! Puppet Master just has too many answers to throw at the Fan Four. Hard for Invisible Woman's invisibility to protect her when Puppet Master can take control of Thing from across the map and have him smack her in the face!
You'd think by now she would be use to Thing slapping her in the face. :lol:

Griffin
October 31st, 2010, 07:38 AM
Front page updated with a new army parameter for Player 2 and a new special rule for Player 1.

IAmBatman
October 31st, 2010, 01:11 PM
I think I should have time to run this again today. :-)

Griffin
October 31st, 2010, 02:19 PM
I think I should have time to run this again today. :-)
Well be sure to notice the changes on the front page.

IAmBatman
October 31st, 2010, 06:02 PM
Gees, I just can't beat this friggin thing! lol

IAmBatman
October 31st, 2010, 08:48 PM
I finally, finally beat it, but I had to take the extra Adventurer off of Puppet Master's team to do it. With Griff's approval, I'm ready to make that change in the scenario, because I think that's what it takes here.

Griffin
October 31st, 2010, 09:32 PM
I finally, finally beat it, but I had to take the extra Adventurer off of Puppet Master's team to do it. With Griff's approval, I'm ready to make that change in the scenario, because I think that's what it takes here.
:lol: I had already done that today and that was why I told you to carefully read the front page. :p

IAmBatman
October 31st, 2010, 09:51 PM
:oops: Missed that! Well, the good news is we're good on this scenario and moving forward!
I should note that, in my final "winning" test, I killed three Civvies with "excessive force" and almost lost that way! I brought in Human Torch to kill the last civvie with Flame On 4 because I was scared to attack him.

Hahma
November 1st, 2010, 12:47 AM
Great work on this one fellas. :thumbsup:

IAmBatman
November 1st, 2010, 01:03 AM
Thanks! :-) I'm ready to move on to test two as soon as I get the map!

Griffin
November 30th, 2010, 09:21 AM
Front page updated with the journal entry for scenario 1. I added some to the end of what Spidey had.

Hahma
November 30th, 2010, 02:15 PM
Great work on the journal entry Spidey and Griff for the end :D

One thing:


In flies Johnny followed by Ben, who queries “What in the name of my Sweet Aunt Petunia did ya do this time, Stretch?”


That kind of sounds fancy for Ben. Could it maybe be something like:


In flies Johnny followed by Ben, who asks in his gravelly voice, “What in the name of my Sweet Aunt Petunia did ya do this time, Stretch?”


Or something else, but the only thing that struck me out of character in the journal write-up was Ben querrying.

IAmBatman
November 30th, 2010, 03:22 PM
:lol: Nice catch. I've been given the go-ahead by Griff to go into the first post and edit things as I see fit, so I'll make sure to edit that part as well.

Spidey'tilIDie
November 30th, 2010, 03:28 PM
Well, the word query here is used by the Watcher, he is the narrator.

IAmBatman
November 30th, 2010, 03:36 PM
Good stuff, here, Spidey! You've got their dialogue down really well. :-) I made a few changes in the first post, and I think it's looking good.

Spidey'tilIDie
November 30th, 2010, 04:29 PM
Griff, great add to the end there! I was having difficulty figuring out how to put it right into the scenario. If it is OK, I can Flesh out the larger chunks and then send them to you before I post them so we can make sure they head right into the scenarios. Is that OK?

Oh yeah, the ONLY suggestion I have for the part in the lobby is that Johnny would be the one to see PM, Ben is an ask questions later guy, he would be rushing in or holding the door shut or something.

Spidey'tilIDie
November 30th, 2010, 09:45 PM
It begins at the Baxter Building in New York City, home of the Fantastic Four. The famous patriarch Reed Richards is in his laboratory as usual trying to uncover the mysteries of the universe. His beautiful bride and mother of his children, Sue Richards, enters with her customary playful grimace.
“Reed, it is an extraordinary day outside and you promised Franklin and Valeria we would go spend the afternoon in Central Park!” Suddenly, a rumble like that of the very earth quaking shakes the entire building. Johnny Storm flies in, trailing flame, followed by the crater-like form of Ben Grimm. Ben stares, wide-eyed, and quips, “What in the name of my Sweet Aunt Petunia did ya do this time, Stretch?” Reed telescopes his neck to peer out the window while his hand is hanging up his lab coat across the room. “For once, I am not the guilty party! I suppose we’d best go investigate the cause of this disturbance.”
Ben looks puzzled and Johnny tries to clear things up for him, “He means lets go see what made the Big Boom, Einstein.” Ben glares and says, “This better be important, I was jus’ gonna watch the Islanders game!” Johnny blazes ahead and the remaining three follow him out to the hallway.

Once the four reach the lobby they are met with an angry mob of civilians the size of the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade. "What the... " Ben grumbles. As Reed reaches to try and calm a young lady but before he can say a word, she hurls a rock at him. He is surprised to see it break into pieces just a foot in front of his face as if there were an invisible wall before him. "Hey Stretch, did you forget to pay the employees again? hu,hu," Ben laughs gruffly. As Sue grasps the hand of her beloved, she attempts to comfort him by saying, "Clearly these people are not in their right minds Reed. There is no reason for these people to all have such ill will toward us." "But you are wrong Sue" Reed exclaims. "There must be a reason ... there is always a cause to every effect!" Johnny speaks up as flies overhead "Hey you love birds, sometimes you can't see the forest for the trees! Some of those people outside are our friends, but one definately isn't. Don't you see him across the street with that oversized, bald head of his? Its Puppet Master! And it looks like..... NO! He... he's got our pal ______________!"



What do you think of those tweaks?

IAmBatman
November 30th, 2010, 09:58 PM
Looks great! :-) I'll make the edit.

IAmBatman
November 30th, 2010, 10:00 PM
Don't forget, we need those short map bios when you get a chance as well, Spidey.
I'm psyched to see this project finally picking up some steam again. :-)

Griffin
November 30th, 2010, 10:23 PM
@ Spidey, Looks good. I will update, but PMs please, just keep posting. :up:

A3n
December 1st, 2010, 06:02 AM
Don't forget, we need those short map bios when you get a chance as well, Spidey.
I'm psyched to see this project finally picking up some steam again. :-)
I will get on to making the separate map pdf's next week as I have a few days off.

Cheers

A3n
December 10th, 2010, 02:56 AM
How is this for the map bio:
The Baxter Building, 35 stories high, home and head quarters of the famous family quartet, Fantastic Four. The landlord was eager to rent out the top 5 floors to the superhero team for the publicity and prestige it would bring, but he soon regretted his decision, as the building became a constant target for numerous attacks by supervillains. With the building under attack the street below is not the safest place to be.

Cheers

Griffin
December 10th, 2010, 03:27 AM
I honestly don't know anything about that building. :reapershrug:

Spidey'tilIDie
December 10th, 2010, 04:30 AM
Throw in something about one of the famous members of the New York City skyline, and its pretty much what I had in store.

A3n
December 10th, 2010, 05:53 AM
Throw in something about one of the famous members of the New York City skyline, and its pretty much what I had in store.

Sorry, were you doing the map bio also? I didn't think it was assigned & I wanted to get & put the separate map PDFs together. If you want to put up yours I will go with that or if you are ok with what I got please explain a little more of what you mean in the above & I'll see what I can do (don't know anything about a NYC skyline).

Cheers

PS: if you have bios for the other maps please put them up so I can get these moving so it doesn't all back up on me/us.

Hahma
December 10th, 2010, 09:44 AM
The Baxter Building; this 35 story high-rise is an iconic part of New York City's skyline, as well as being the home and headquarters of the famous family quartet, Fantastic Four. The landlord was eager to rent out the top 5 floors to the superhero team for the publicity and prestige it would bring, but he soon regretted his decision, as the building became a constant target for numerous attacks by supervillains. With the building under attack the street below is not the safest place to be.Does that help any? Sir G and/or Bats would have to check it to be sure of grammar use with my change.

IAmBatman
December 10th, 2010, 02:09 PM
Headquarters should be one word, but it looks good to me otherwise. :-)
I think we take this and roll with it. Spidey's had tons of time to get this done, so I'm sure he won't mind us going ahead without him on this (especially since it's so close to what he was planning).

Hahma
December 10th, 2010, 02:17 PM
Fixed:D

And I agree that there's been plenty of time. Time to move on with this.

IAmBatman
December 10th, 2010, 02:58 PM
Cool - I'm updating the first post with what we've compiled here. :-) She's all yours, A3n.

A3n
December 10th, 2010, 05:05 PM
What about these edits:
The Baxter Building; a 35 story high-rise, an iconic part of the New York City's skyline, and more poignantly known as the home and headquarters of the famous family quartet, The Fantastic Four. The landlord was eager to rent out the top 5 floors to the superhero team for the publicity and prestige it would bring, but he soon regretted his decision, as the building became a constant target for numerous attacks by supervillains. With the building under attack the street below is not the safest place to be.

Cheers

IAmBatman
December 10th, 2010, 05:12 PM
I think it should be "The Fantastic Four" just for better flow.
But, you have the power. :-) Edit it up!
Do Not :p

A3n
December 10th, 2010, 05:16 PM
I know I have that power I was just checking that the edits were ok. I know I am not the greatest writer (I actually failed my year 12 English :oops:).

IAmBatman
December 10th, 2010, 05:23 PM
Trust me when I say I'd love to have you in one of my courses over the vast majority of my students. :-P And I teach college level composition (mostly to idiots).
Of course, from my experience, Australia doesn't inflate grades the way the United States does.

A3n
December 10th, 2010, 07:47 PM
Added map PDF file to OP.

Cheers

IAmBatman
January 1st, 2011, 05:06 PM
Level 11 is listed twice on the build instructions. Otherwise, it looks good.

SirGalahad
January 9th, 2011, 08:07 PM
Proofread and standardized!

Spidey'tilIDie
January 24th, 2011, 06:20 PM
Based on the story, I think the last line should be changed to spell out that She-Hulk is controlled. The generalness and playtests will show people that other Adventurers and Scientists could be used as well.
It begins at the Baxter Building in New York City, home of the Fantastic Four. The famous patriarch Reed Richards is in his laboratory as usual trying to uncover the mysteries of the universe. His beautiful bride and mother of his children, Sue Richards, enters with her customary playful grimace.


“Reed, it is an extraordinary day outside and you promised Franklin and Valeria we would go spend the afternoon in Central Park!”


Suddenly, a rumble like that of the very earth quaking shakes the entire building. Johnny Storm flies in, trailing flame, followed by the crater-like form of Ben Grimm.


Ben stares, wide-eyed, and quips, “What in the name of my Sweet Aunt Petunia did ya do this time, Stretch?”


Reed telescopes his neck to peer out the window while his hand is simultaneously hanging up his lab coat across the room.


“For once, I am not the guilty party! Though, I suppose we’d best go investigate the causal factor in this disturbance.”


Ben looks puzzled and Johnny tries to clear things up for him, “He means lets go see what made the Big Boom, Einstein.”


Ben glares and says, “This better be important, I was jus’ gonna watch the Islanders game!”


Johnny blazes ahead and the remaining three follow him out to the hallway.


Once the four reach the lobby they are met with an angry mob of civilians the size of the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade. "What the... " Ben grumbles.


Reed reaches to try and calm a young lady but - before he can utter a word - she hurls a rock at him. He is surprised to see it break into pieces just a foot in front of his face as if there were an invisible wall before him.


"Hey Stretch, did you forget to pay the employees again? hu,hu," Ben laughs gruffly.


As Sue grasps the hand of her beloved, she attempts to comfort him by saying, "Clearly these people are not in their right minds Reed. There is no reason for them to have such ill will toward us."


"But you are wrong Sue" Reed exclaims. "There must be a reason ... there is always a cause to every effect!"


Johnny speaks up as he flies overhead "Hey you love birds, sometimes you can't see the forest for the trees! Some of those people outside are our friends, but one definitely isn't. Don't you see him across the street with that oversized, bald head of his? Its Puppet Master! And it looks like..... NO! He... he's got Jen, the Sensational She-Hulk!"

IAmBatman
January 24th, 2011, 09:06 PM
I like that change. We were specific everywhere else. Seems odd not to be here.

Griffin
January 25th, 2011, 12:30 AM
Updated. Thanks Spidey, and A3n, the first page has the update in it.

A3n
January 26th, 2011, 07:10 AM
@spidey: would johnny really say "... the Sensational She-Hulk!"?

Griffin
January 26th, 2011, 08:09 AM
@spidey: would johnny really say "... the Sensational She-Hulk!"?
I don't know about modern Johnny, but old school silver age Johnny sure would have.

IAmBatman
January 26th, 2011, 09:06 AM
Yeah, back in the day every single Stan Lee character was exploding with Stan Lee style adjectives.

A3n
January 26th, 2011, 03:28 PM
Yeah, back in the day every single Stan Lee character was exploding with Stan Lee style adjectives.

but would they really say it like "And it looks like..... NO! He... he's got Jen, the Sensational She-Hulk!"

Griffin
January 26th, 2011, 05:19 PM
A3n, yes they would, but if you don't like that line and you have a different idea, I would be glad to hear it. That line doesn't have to be set in stone.

A3n
January 26th, 2011, 06:50 PM
Nah I just thought it was ridiculous that in a rushed statement he would say her civi name & then qualify that by using her super identity with an adjective chucked in for good measure. :shrug:

I only read F4 when I was young so I probably don't remember these sort of things but maybe it's another reason I don't read Marvel :p.

Spidey'tilIDie
January 26th, 2011, 11:11 PM
I think it is important to spell out that its She-Hulk. Perhaps, just cutting it to "And it looks like..... NO! He... he's got our friend, the She-Hulk!"

EDIT: Also here is SirG's edit to the Map Bio:
MAP BIO: The Baxter Building, a 35-story highrise, is an iconic part of the New York City's skyline, and more poignantly known as the home and headquarters of the famous family quartet, The Fantastic Four. The landlord was eager to rent out the top 5 floors to the superhero team for the publicity and prestige it would bring, but he soon regretted his decision, as the building became a constant target for numerous attacks by supervillains. With the building under attack the street below is not the safest place to be.

Griffin
January 26th, 2011, 11:28 PM
"Jen, the Sensational She-Hulk" is really fine. It is the same thing as "Robin, the Boy Wonder".

Spidey'tilIDie
January 26th, 2011, 11:33 PM
But no one has talked like that in comics since the 70's, which was about 30 years ago. While I agree it gives it a comic book like feel, that is due to hokeyness. I think we should try to avoid this. :2cents:

IAmBatman
January 26th, 2011, 11:53 PM
Oh, ridiculous is exactly what it is. :-P The Fan Four are vintage ridiculous. :-P Or is it that the vintage Fan Four are ridiculous?

IAmBatman
January 26th, 2011, 11:54 PM
But no one has talked like that in comics since the 70's, which was about 30 years ago. While I agree it gives it a comic book like feel, that is due to hokeyness. I think we should try to avoid this. :2cents:

Really? No offense, but I think the whole campaign storyline smacks of 1960's Fan Four cheese. And nothing wrong with that. :-) It's lighthearted and fun.
I mean, if you really want to avoid it, that's cool. I just think that would require a major overhaul at this point.

Griffin
January 27th, 2011, 12:08 AM
There is really only one way I have ever like the Fan 4, and that is with extra Campy Cheese. :)

Spidey'tilIDie
January 27th, 2011, 12:55 AM
But no one has talked like that in comics since the 70's, which was about 30 years ago. While I agree it gives it a comic book like feel, that is due to hokeyness. I think we should try to avoid this. :2cents:

Really? No offense, but I think the whole campaign storyline smacks of 1960's Fan Four cheese. And nothing wrong with that. :-) It's lighthearted and fun.
I mean, if you really want to avoid it, that's cool. I just think that would require a major overhaul at this point.
Touche, monsier Batman, touche!

A3n
February 24th, 2011, 05:21 PM
done

tcglkn
February 25th, 2011, 05:16 PM
Should the map requirements be listed in the OP of these threads?

IAmBatman
February 25th, 2011, 06:38 PM
Oye, good question. I don't even know the requirements, so that's one for Griff if so ... :-P

tcglkn
February 25th, 2011, 07:31 PM
Getting ready to build this and play it. Debating on what Adventuring army to use. I know I don't want Human Torch cause Puppet Master will just make him go Nova unless I enforce his Willpower every round which means I can't draft thing cause I don't want a heavy hitter running loose. :ponder: Mr. Fantastic and Invisible Woman are given. Who else should I add?

tcglkn
February 25th, 2011, 09:15 PM
Ok, I built the map and played this scenario and let me just say wow. :D That was a blast. I had Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Woman, Thing, and Flash. None of them died. Flash sped over the water and got the Shrink Ray Gun but didn't even have to use it on Puppet Master (failed his second Reactive Mind Control roll.)

I had Thing immune to Puppet Master for the game cause I didn't want any hard strikes from Thing if I managed to kill She-Hulk early. Throwing Battlements is a total blast! I only destroyed one, but it was a good way to kill Civvies (Shrink Ray Gun is too BTW)

I'm ready for Scenario #2! Namor, Moloids and Moleman, it doesn't get much better! :D

Griffin
February 25th, 2011, 09:41 PM
Awesome! I am glad your starting off so well, because in this campaign, once you start losing figures, you are DOOMED. :shock:

tcglkn
February 25th, 2011, 11:24 PM
I'm thinking Flash, Torch and Mister Fantastic for the Subterranea Scenario (Good multi attackers for killing Moloids). Plus I still have both E-Glyphs. 8)

Griffin
February 25th, 2011, 11:29 PM
Flash is really the best choice for this scenario if you want to catch that glyph in the far far back of the cave. :up:

tcglkn
February 25th, 2011, 11:32 PM
I'm just worried Mister Fantastic will die. If he does, I'll probably wait to the last battle to bring him back.

Griffin
February 25th, 2011, 11:34 PM
Mr. F will inevitably die, and he is the one you want to bring back for sure if you choose to do so.

IAmBatman
February 25th, 2011, 11:41 PM
Using Flash in this campaign is like playing it on "easy." :-P If you want a real challenge, restrict yourself to Marvel only!

tcglkn
February 25th, 2011, 11:42 PM
Using Flash in this campaign is like playing it on "easy." :-P If you want a real challenge, restrict yourself to Marvel only!

Come on. I get to play through it once on easy. :p

Do I have to stick to released only?

tcglkn
February 25th, 2011, 11:44 PM
Required Sets: 1 Rise of the Valkyrie Master Set, 2 Fortress of the Archkyrie Expansion Sets, 2 Marvel: The Conflict Begins Master Sets

SirGalahad
February 26th, 2011, 12:13 AM
Yes you can only used released units if you are going to post anything. :p

The build requirements for each map are in the Rulebook.

tcglkn
February 26th, 2011, 10:19 PM
Just played this again against my dad. (already had the map built) I ran the Fan4 against his Puppet Master and he played the army weakly. But he only successfully rolled for the Mind Control 3 times the entire game. He rolled so many 13's it was cruel.

IAmBatman
February 26th, 2011, 10:30 PM
Ouch. Yeah, when I playtested this, Puppet Master rolled so well that we had to add in that special rule letting one hero avoid his control.

quozl
March 12th, 2011, 01:25 PM
Just built this and it looks awesome!

Small correction: the shorter doorway shows 5 ladder heights on the instructions when it should be 6.

A3n
March 12th, 2011, 08:34 PM
Just built this and it looks awesome!

Small correction: the shorter doorway shows 5 ladder heights on the instructions when it should be 6.

thanx & fixed.

Hogg
October 14th, 2012, 06:00 PM
I'm getting a 403 forbidden message when I click on the download link in the OP.

A3n
October 14th, 2012, 06:33 PM
I'm getting a 403 forbidden message when I click on the download link in the OP.

Link fixed to new server. :up:

Hogg
October 14th, 2012, 06:44 PM
Awesome, thanks!