The Book of Manhole Cover

[Griffin]

The Book of Manhole Cover

C3G MARVEL FANTASTIC FOUR MASTER SET
FANTASTIC FORCES UNITE!

http://c3ggames.com/C3G/released/cards_DO/jpg/C3G-DO_ManholeCover.jpg
Card PDF (http://c3ggames.com/C3G/released/cards_DO/pdf/C3G-DO_ManholeCover.pdf)

http://c3ggames.com/C3G/released/cards_DO/jpg/C3G-DOS_ManholeCover.jpg
Sticker PDF (http://c3ggames.com/C3G/released/cards_DO/pdf/C3G-DOS_ManholeCover.pdf)

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Object Bio - Typically used to cover up sewer systems, these manhole covers can also be used as a means of defense in a pinch. On top of that, they can be thrown around or used to gain height where needed.
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-Type of Destructible Object-
Destructible Object: A Destructible Object can be targeted, destroyed, and removed from play the same way a figure is. See HERE (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=32232) for additional C3G Destructible Object rules.-Rulings and Clarifications-
N/A_________________________________________________________________

-Strategy, Tactics and Tips-
N/A-Heroscapers Community Contributions-
Initial Playtest: Griffin (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=1194575&postcount=20)
Second Playtest: Bats (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=1201964&postcount=65)
Third Playtest: Hahma (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=1207896&postcount=75)

[SirGalahad]

SIZE/HEIGHT = SMALL 1


LIFE = 1


DEFENSE = 8



TAKING COVER


The Manhole Cover and any small or medium figure occupying the Manhole Cover may add +2 to their defense against all non-adjacent attacks. A figure that occupies a Manhole Cover when it is destroyed is placed on the same space the Manhole Cover was on and will not take any leaving engagement attacks.



Only one figure can occupy a Manhole Cover at one time. ;)

Is it the intent for this to work against special attacks also?

[Griffin]

SIZE/HEIGHT = SMALL 1


LIFE = 1


DEFENSE = 8



TAKING COVER


The Manhole Cover and any small or medium figure occupying the Manhole Cover may add +2 to their defense against all non-adjacent attacks. A figure that occupies a Manhole Cover when it is destroyed is placed on the same space the Manhole Cover was on and will not take any leaving engagement attacks.



Only one figure can occupy a Manhole Cover at one time. ;)

Is it the intent for this to work against special attacks also?
The wording was based off of official glyph language, but I am not a snob in that sense. I will update now, thanks. :D

To answer your question, absolutely. :D

[Griffin]

Updated with a pic for the sticker to go on the DO.

[IAmBatman]

Just noticed the power name here is "Taking Cover"! Great stuff, guys! :-)

[IAmBatman]

Question - why does the manhole cover itself get the defensive bonus against non-adjacent attacks? The fig occupying the same space gets it because that fig is "holding up" the manhole cover as a shield. Why does the manhole cover itself get a bonus from that, though? I'd prefer getting rid of that aspect.

[IAmBatman]

I've done a second playtest (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=1201964&postcount=65) for these bad boys - I had like 9 of them on the map and they've come into play in fun, interesting, playable ways in all of my John Stewart tests thus far.

[IAmBatman]

Second playtest is complete! Do we only need two? If so, I think this one's ready to be put on a card! :-)

Edit: Yep, two playtests is the requirement for playtesting Destructible Objects, so here's my preemptive yea for Final Editing!

[Griffin]

Thanks for the playtest, power change, and update Bats. Thou art the man.

I propose we move to final editing.

[IAmBatman]

I wish I could say something, but I already voted! lol :-P

[Griffin]

I wish I could say something, but I already voted! lol :-P
I am sure you will find something to post anyways. :p

[IAmBatman]

I wish I could say something, but I already voted! lol :-P
I am sure you will find something to post anyways. :p

... Like what?

[Spidey'tilIDie]

Yep!

[SirGalahad]

yea

[Hahma]

YEA

Also, Here's (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=1207896&postcount=75) a link to a playtest involving the Manhole Cover.

[Griffin]

We pass into final editing.

[A3n]

@ Griff what part & what side of the heroclix dial (& which style of dial) is this man hole supposed to be? Just so I can make the correct size. Then I will need somebody to print the end result out & stick it on & take a photo.

Cheers

[Hahma]

I'm wondering if the defense of the Manhole Cover ought to come down to 6?

Bats, you might understand based on a certain unit that can add the defense of a DO to their attack and defense ;)

Though if it's not a problem then that's cool too as someone's going to be pretty buff while standing on a Manhole Cover. :D

[IAmBatman]

It'd be nice if there was actually a reasonable chance of whiffing on its defense and having it destroyed, so a decrease in defense might be good for that as well ... Also, it'd be nice to have a reason to consider attacking the manhole cover directly instead of the figure holding it sometime.

[Hahma]

Yeah, because if a figure on top of a Manhole Cover ends up with a defense of 8, 9 or 10 (especially if they have special defenses in addition of Manhole Cover boost like a Ranged Counter Strike, Man of Steel etc.), if you can have a reasonable chance of destroying the Manhole Cover, you might do that instead of attacking super-buff figure holding it.

Also, I was just wondering if the Manhole Cover should give a boost vs. all attacks or just normal attacks, as a Manhole Cover isn't going to protect someone from a Telepathic attack or cover their whole body vs. an explosive attack etc. I don't know, it was just a thought.

[IAmBatman]

I'm on board with 6 defense for the Manhole cover and normal ranged attacks only.

[Hahma]

Saweeeeet! Now to convince ........:)

[Griffin]

@ Griff what part & what side of the heroclix dial (& which style of dial) is this man hole supposed to be? Just so I can make the correct size. Then I will need somebody to print the end result out & stick it on & take a photo.

Cheers
Take the figure off of the dial

Take the inner wheel out of the shell

Take the shell and place the sticker on the side that doesn't have teeth on it (the teeth side is hollow).

I can't take pictures, sorry.

[Griffin]

@ Griff what part & what side of the heroclix dial (& which style of dial) is this man hole supposed to be? Just so I can make the correct size. Then I will need somebody to print the end result out & stick it on & take a photo.

Cheers
Take the figure off of the dial

Take the inner wheel out of the shell

Take the shell and place the sticker on the side that doesn't have teeth on it (the teeth side is hollow).

I can't take pictures, sorry.
Done. :)

[Hahma]

I haven't had color ink for a couple years and I also don't have sticker sheets for printing. So this picture will have to come from someone else on this occasion. :(

[Griffin]

I haven't had color ink for a couple years and I also don't have sticker sheets for printing. So this picture will have to come from someone else on this occasion. :(
No worries, thanks for all you do all other times though. :)

[Spidey'tilIDie]

Griff, don't you think the interior is better for manhole covers? The little wheel is perfect (even has a hole in the middle) and allows us to use each part. The teeth part for turbo lifts and the wheel for manhole covers.

[Griffin]

Griff, don't you think the interior is better for manhole covers? The little wheel is perfect (even has a hole in the middle) and allows us to use each part. The teeth part for turbo lifts and the wheel for manhole covers.
Sure it looks cool, but it would have a height of 0, and we need a height of 1.

[IAmBatman]

I don't have a printer that works with my current computer right now either.

[Spidey'tilIDie]

Griff, don't you think the interior is better for manhole covers? The little wheel is perfect (even has a hole in the middle) and allows us to use each part. The teeth part for turbo lifts and the wheel for manhole covers.
Sure it looks cool, but it would have a height of 0, and we need a height of 1.
I think it would have 1 height as 0 means its flat and you would need to round up to 1.

[IAmBatman]

Also, heights don't always truly match figures in the official game, so we could certainly fudge it as 1 if we wanted to.

[Griffin]

Also, heights don't always truly match figures in the official game, so we could certainly fudge it as 1 if we wanted to.
I certainly would not want to. Figures having physical height differences than their left box is one thing, but terrain features that have a height that interact with the height of other figures, ladders, battlements, other Destructible Objects, and all terrain should have a nice steady height that matches their height on their card as with all other terrain types. With terrain and DOs, you really don't even ever need a card to tell you the height, as you can simply look at it and count the levels visually.

[Griffin]

Griff, don't you think the interior is better for manhole covers? The little wheel is perfect (even has a hole in the middle) and allows us to use each part. The teeth part for turbo lifts and the wheel for manhole covers.
Sure it looks cool, but it would have a height of 0, and we need a height of 1.
I think it would have 1 height as 0 means its flat and you would need to round up to 1.
No. All "water" type tiles are considered a height of 0 and offer no height whatsoever in the game. That is in the rulebooks. Trust me guys, this is not a path we want to go down. Also, if a DO or even a Figure had a height of 0, it could never be attacked by melee figures because they could never be adjacent.

[IAmBatman]

Fair enough.

[A3n]

Wait on, are you now saying they can get +1 for height advantage from the manhole cover, on top of the added defense from it's power? :poorpost:

[IAmBatman]

And you have to spend an extra move to climb on to it as well ... hmm ... good points that make it so we might actually want a height of zero ...

[Griffin]

And you have to spend an extra move to climb on to it as well ... hmm ... good points that make it so we might actually want a height of zero ...
:poorpost:


A3n, just because you are on a Man hole cover (likely to be placed on ground level street terrain), doesn't mean you will have "height advantage". That doesn't mean you can't get it, but the Man Hole cover does have a defense power that works against NON-ADJACENT ATTACKS, so that is a major power check.


I am telling you guys, DOs and Figures should NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER have a height of 0, because Superman and Hulk could never attack them.

[A3n]

but that is part of official rules as per warehouse ruins. You count the height of the object to climb on top of it & you it's height is included in determining height advantage.

BTW I also agree that you can't attack something adjacent with a height of 0.

Cheers

[IAmBatman]

Would Superman or Hulk ever really have a need to attack Manhole Covers, though? They could throw them, and the Manhole Covers wouldn't affect their ability to attack someone anyway, because they don't have ranged attacks.

[Griffin]

Would Superman or Hulk ever really have a need to attack Manhole Covers, though? They could throw them, and the Manhole Covers wouldn't affect their ability to attack someone anyway, because they don't have ranged attacks.
If they can't attack them because they are never considered adjacent, how can they throw them? ;) Really, I am hoping the height of 0 issue will drop....

[IAmBatman]

Well, yeah, if they can't throw 0 height objects then that should kill it right there, for sure.

[A3n]

Where does it say something with a 0 height can't be thrown??

Using a height of 1 will mean that anybody standing atop of them is 1 level higher & that it took them 1 extra movement to get up there.

This can be dropped when the above is sorted clearly. Even if it requires a separate power on the card to clarify.

Cheers

[Griffin]

Where does it say something with a 0 height can't be thrown??

Using a height of 1 will mean that anybody standing atop of them is 1 level higher & that it took them 1 extra movement to get up there.

This can be dropped when the above is sorted clearly. Even if it requires a separate power on the card to clarify.

Cheers
To throw something, you have to be ADJACENT to it. ;)

[A3n]

Where does it say something with a 0 height can't be thrown??

Using a height of 1 will mean that anybody standing atop of them is 1 level higher & that it took them 1 extra movement to get up there.

This can be dropped when the above is sorted clearly. Even if it requires a separate power on the card to clarify.

Cheers
To throw something, you have to be ADJACENT to it. ;)
Got ya, actually where has it been said that something with a 0 height isn't adjacent. Even if it has a 0 height it's there & still exists & if it's on the same level as the base of a figure or above up to the height of said figure then it's adjacent. :shrug:

Cheers

[IAmBatman]

But 0 level tiles/objects don't add to the height level of the tiles they're on at all. So if I'm on a space and the space next to me is on the same level as the space I'm occupying, then I'm not adjacent to either of those spaces (neither are high enough to be on the same level as my base, which is one level higher than the space I'm occupying) and a manhole cover on the space next to mine is at the same level as the space it's on, since it adds nothing to the height of that space, and thus it's not adjacent to my base either.

[A3n]

But 0 level tiles/objects don't add to the height level of the tiles they're on at all. So if I'm on a space and the space next to me is on the same level as the space I'm occupying, then I'm not adjacent to either of those spaces (neither are high enough to be on the same level as my base, which is one level higher than the space I'm occupying) and a manhole cover on the space next to mine is at the same level as the space it's on, since it adds nothing to the height of that space, and thus it's not adjacent to my base either.
It's on exactly the same level that the figure is on. A water hex doesn't add to the height it is considered the same height as the hex it is on, but any object placed on the hex is still on the hex whether it has 0 height or not. IMO.

Cheers

[Griffin]

But 0 level tiles/objects don't add to the height level of the tiles they're on at all. So if I'm on a space and the space next to me is on the same level as the space I'm occupying, then I'm not adjacent to either of those spaces (neither are high enough to be on the same level as my base, which is one level higher than the space I'm occupying) and a manhole cover on the space next to mine is at the same level as the space it's on, since it adds nothing to the height of that space, and thus it's not adjacent to my base either.
It's on exactly the same level that the figure is on. A water hex doesn't add to the height it is considered the same height as the hex it is on, but any object placed on the hex is still on the hex whether it has 0 height or not. IMO.

CheersIf Superman is standing on a cliff that is at level 5, and adjacent to that cliff, there is Batman (Medium 5) standing tall with his head at level 5. There are 0 levels between him and Superman, and they are NOT adjacent.

[SirGalahad]

Think about it this way:

For a manhole cover to take up space, it must have volume.
Volume of a cylinder = pi * (radius)^2 * HEIGHT

Therefore, if a manhole cover has 0 height, it has 0 volume, does not take up space, and cannot be thrown or attacked.

[A3n]

As HS doesn't deal in exacts I would assume that if a object had a height of 0, its real world height would convert to a HS height somewhere between 0 & 0.5 & rounding has brought it down. We are calling it a DO which means it does exist just that rounding means it doesn't provide a height advantage.

I may be stretching it here but the alternative is to say they have a height of 1. In which case in order to stand on it you would require an extra move point to move on top. Also if the space it is the same level as all adjacent spaces then by standing on it you have height advantage. These are the current HS rules. So if you want the manhole cover to act differently & still have a height of 1, then you need a power or something that is going to break those rules. That's all I am saying.

Cheers

[SirGalahad]

Sounds a like a good old-fashioned poll is in order:

For the Manhole Cover:



A) Height of 1, with the natural game consequences of
needing an additional move point to climb atop
having height advantage over terrain spaces that are at the same level as the one on which the Manhole Cover restsB) Height of 0, with the natural game consequences of
not being able to attack the Manhole Cover from a neighboring terrain space that is at the same level as the one on which the Manhole Cover restsC) A special rule to modify one of the natural game consequences (specify)


Since the only thing I know that have 0 height are terrain tiles, and they are simply used to represent water, swamp water, lava, ice, and shadow; and since you can't attack or throw them, I would vote for A.


Plus, it would set the precedent for allowing those horizontal battlements. ;)

[IAmBatman]

For the sake of simplicity, A.

[Hahma]

A for me

[Griffin]

A :)

[IAmBatman]

One more A would give A's the majority ... anyone?

[Griffin]

As HS doesn't deal in exacts I would assume that if a object had a height of 0, its real world height would convert to a HS height somewhere between 0 & 0.5 & rounding has brought it down. We are calling it a DO which means it does exist just that rounding means it doesn't provide a height advantage.

I may be stretching it here but the alternative is to say they have a height of 1. In which case in order to stand on it you would require an extra move point to move on top. Also if the space it is the same level as all adjacent spaces then by standing on it you have height advantage. These are the current HS rules. So if you want the manhole cover to act differently & still have a height of 1, then you need a power or something that is going to break those rules. That's all I am saying.

CheersThis is what all the official Master Set rule books say about adjacency. Just trade the word Figure with the word Destructible Object. ;)

If one figure's base is on a level equal to or higher than the height of the
other figure, they are not adjacent and therefore not engaged. So if your Superman's base is on level 1, and your Manhole ( :lol: ) is on level one, and it is only one space over but it has a height of 0, the two can NEVER NEVER NEVER be adjacent, because the height of the level of your Manhole ( :lol: ) is 1 which is the same height as Superman's base.... therefore, NOT ADJACENT.

[Spidey'tilIDie]

Put me down for A. Though I think that Manhole could have a power that says Manhole covers start the game in ground therefore must have a figure on them to be used.

[A3n]

I do vote A, as long as everybody is aware of the consequences.

But if you actually look at the rules the only clarification about adjacency is that they aren't adjacent if (doing exactly what you said Griff & substitute DO for figure):
If one DO's base is on a level equal to or higher than the height of the other figure, they are not adjacent and therefore not engaged.
So by being on an adjacent space (regardless of its height), unless it is on a space that level is equal to or higher than the height of the other figure, the DO is adjacent.

Cheers

[IAmBatman]

I think A has clear support here, which means the height stays at 1.

[A3n]

Ok here's the image (http://aslade.customer.netspace.net.au/C3G_SewerLid.pdf) for printing out as a sticker. If somebody could print & stick on a clix base & ensure the size is correct & take a photo of it maybe on top of a shadow tile surrounded by asphalt tiles. that would be great. :D

Cheers

[IAmBatman]

That looks awesome! If I could get my printer to work, I'd hop on this for you ... but I can't. :-(

[Griffin]

Hey Spidey (my LD partner in crime), can you please print A3n's PDF link, glue it on a clix "shell", and then take some pics please? Thanks.

[Griffin]

Spidey, This Message Is For You Man. I Need You To Create This Do And Then Take A Picture Of It Please.

[IAmBatman]

Since I'm currently proxying for him, I'm guessing this will take him a bit ... are any of our other Heroes with cameras able to tackle this? A3n, GreyOwl, and Hahma I know all have the cameras for it at least ... I can't print anything and I'm away from everything else right now, sadly ... :-(

[A3n]

Damn I probably could have squeezed this in today if I had remembered about it, sorry. This week is probably going to be a bit hectic, with a few late nights & not much C3G time, so I don't foresee too not much opportunities this week for photographing anything.

Sorry.

Cheers

[Hahma]

I have a camera, just no color ink (haven't had it for a long time) or sticker sheets. If someone that can make a manhole cover wants to mail it to me, I'd be happy to take the pix.

[IAmBatman]

Likewise!

[A3n]

Here's the card (http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/ac111/Amas73/Private/C3G/C3G-DO_ManholeCover.jpg).

Cheers

[Hahma]

Very cool A3n :D

[IAmBatman]

Seriously. :-) This is my favorite of the DO cards. Excellent work.

[Griffin]

Oh my. :D

[Griffin]

We need a PDF.

[A3n]

Cheers

[IAmBatman]

Cheers

Cool. Updated. :-)

[A3n]

Please remove the links from my quote in your post :).

Cheers

[Griffin]

Updated wording on front page please. I updated all the DOs to have congruent text.

[SirGalahad]

Any small or medium figure occupying the Manhole Cover may add +2 to their its defense against all non-adjacent normal attacks. Any figure that occupies a Manhole Cover when it is destroyed is placed on the same space the Manhole Cover was on and will not take any leaving engagement attacks.


Character Bio - Typically used to cover up sewer systems, these Manholes Covers can also be used as a means of defense against certain attacks. Also, it they can be thrown around or used to gain height where needed.

You guys and your pronoun/antecedent agreement. ;)

[Griffin]

Done. Thanks.

[A3n]

Update made. I took the liberty of removing the "+" from the "add +2".

Cheers

[IAmBatman]

Good call and good work. :-)

[Griffin]

We need the PDF and JPEG print outs of the actual stickers please. Thank you A3n.

[Griffin]

We need the PDF and JPEG print outs of the actual stickers please. Thank you A3n.
:bump:

[A3n]

done

[Porkins]

If I read the card right, as well as the discussion in this thread, I think a figure can stand on the manhole cover, gaining height advantage as compared with other figures standing at ground level. Additionally, the figure standing on the manhole cover can also pick it up and use it as a shield (Taking Cover) and get +2 defense against non-adjacent normal attacks. This doesn't logically make sense (standing on it to gain height while hiding behind it as a shield). Is this what was intended? I understand that the answer may be "yes" for the sake of simplicity, just wanted to make sure.

[davidlhsl]

If I read the card right, as well as the discussion in this thread, I think a figure can stand on the manhole cover, gaining height advantage as compared with other figures standing at ground level. Additionally, the figure standing on the manhole cover can also pick it up and use it as a shield (Taking Cover) and get +2 defense against non-adjacent normal attacks. This doesn't logically make sense (standing on it to gain height while hiding behind it as a shield). Is this what was intended? I understand that the answer may be "yes" for the sake of simplicity, just wanted to make sure.

Porkins, I agree with you that the card does lend to that impression where you're getting a bonus for standing on the manhole cover as well as a bonus for using it as a shield. Moreover, figures without Super Strength get the height and cover bonuses, and it's not logical for those figures to even have the strength to effectively hold it as a shield. Finally, are manhole covers really thick enough that you would actually gain a significant enough height to benefit from it for attacking? So the height should really be zero, shouldn't it?

Reading this thread, especially around pages 4-5, you'll find the decisive argument from Griffin that the Heroscape mechanics of adjacency prohibit the logical choice of a height 0. There are quite a few issues that people have raised over the years. Does it make sense that a Goblin Cutter standing 1 hex higher than the base of Jotun gets height? Does it makes sense that you have the same chance of hitting a figure standing in the open as you do against a figure with just it's elbow and piece of its arm exposed?

In some cases, people have created house rules to satisfy their suspension of disbelief. Heroscape's approach has always sacrificed certain elements of realism for playability.

Here's how I envision what happens when one of my figures stands on a manhole cover. The figure crouches and tilts the manhole cover so it's resting on the ground, but covers a portion of the figure. The Heroscape mechanics is calculating the defense adjustment. Even though the mechanics gives my figure +1 because it has height from standing on it, I think of it as +1 bonus (in addition to the +2 for the shielding) for the figure crouching at ground level getting attacked from same and lower level attackers, and not from standing on the manhole cover. Yes, I'm fudging a bit with my imagination, but it's one of the things that can get that Asia song "Heat of the Moment" out of my head.

As for the +1 height bonus for attacking? Don't have a good answer for that.

Sometimes you just gotta roll the dice and play on. :)

[Griffin]

It is a game. Don't over think it, just have fun. Height advantage in concept is flawed in almost every way, but it is a fun GAME MECHANIC.

[Porkins]

It is a game. Don't over think it, just have fun. Height advantage in concept is flawed in almost every way, but it is a fun GAME MECHANIC.

I'll take this answer as a, "yes, that is what we intended." I realize there are challenges with doing it either way.

[Griffin]

It is a game. Don't over think it, just have fun. Height advantage in concept is flawed in almost every way, but it is a fun GAME MECHANIC.

I'll take this answer as a, "yes, that is what we intended." I realize there are challenges with doing it either way.
Well said. :D

[davidlhsl]

For those who want to house rule, I think this would make a fun add-on ability:

FRISBEE
When thrown, a Manhole Cover can be thrown 8 spaces.

Optionally, you can add 1 attack die when thrown, but that might be too powerful.

[Scapemage]

For those who want to house rule, I think this would make a fun add-on ability:

FRISBEE
When thrown, a Manhole Cover can be thrown 8 spaces.

Optionally, you can add 1 attack die when thrown, but that might be too powerful.
Sueporheroes playing sports! NOT possible! You best not attempt to throw that with Blob. :lol:

[tcglkn]

http://c3games.com/C3G/released/cards/jpg/C3G-DOS_ManholeCover.jpg

Download the Sticker PDF (http://c3games.com/C3G/released/cards/pdf/C3G-DOS_ManholeCover.pdf)

[Griffin]

Thanks, and done.

[johnny139]

The Book of Manhole Cover

C3G MARVEL FANTASTIC FOUR MASTER SET
FANTASTIC FORCES UNITE!

http://c3games.com/C3G/released/cards_DO/jpg/C3G-DO_ManholeCover.jpg
Card PDF (http://c3games.com/C3G/released/cards_DO/pdf/C3G-DO_ManholeCover.pdf)

http://c3games.com/C3G/released/cards_DO/jpg/C3G-DOS_ManholeCover.jpg
Sticker PDF (http://c3games.com/C3G/released/cards_DO/pdf/C3G-DOS_ManholeCover.pdf)

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Object Bio - Typically used to cover up sewer systems, these manhole covers can also be used as a means of defense in a pinch. On top of that, they can be thrown around or used to gain height where needed.
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-Type of Destructible Object-
Destructible Object: A Destructible Object can be targeted, destroyed, and removed from play the same way a figure is. See HERE (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=32232) for additional C3G Destructible Object rules.

-Rulings and Clarifications-
N/A
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-Strategy, Tactics and Tips-
N/A

-Heroscapers Community Contributions-
Initial Playtest: Griffin (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=1194575&postcount=20)
Second Playtest: Bats (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=1201964&postcount=65)
Third Playtest: Hahma (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=1207896&postcount=75)

[Griffin]

Updated.

[cwidje]

Has anyone tried using the bottom half of a base such as Non's for a manhole cover?
http://minimart.sitesquad.netdna-cdn.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/HCSM-031.jpg

[quozl]

You can use anything but if you want to put it in a ladder rung, the trimmed base works best.