The Book of Glyph of Experimental Medicine

[Griffin]

The Book of the Glyph of Experimental Medicine

C3G MARVEL FANTASTIC FOUR MASTER SET
FANTASTIC FORCES UNITE!

http://c3ggames.com/C3G/released/cards_glyph/jpg/C3G-EG_ExperimentalMedicine.jpg
Card PDF (http://c3ggames.com/C3G/released/cards_glyph/pdf/C3G-EG_ExperimentalMedicine.pdf)

http://c3ggames.com/C3G/released/cards_glyph/jpg/C3G-GS_ExperimentalMedicine.jpg
Glyph PDF (http://c3ggames.com/C3G/released/cards_glyph/pdf/C3G-GS_ExperimentalMedicine.pdf)All Fantastic Forces Glyphs 1 PDF (http://c3ggames.com/C3G/released/cards_glyph/pdf/C3G-GS_FantasticForces.pdf)

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Glyph Bio - Without the official approval of the FDA, this medicine is not quite ready for the open market, as its testing is not entirely complete. So far all the tests have proven this drug to be safe... except for that one time. But that lab rat probably died from some other complication. Probably.
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-Type of Glyph-
Equipment Glyph: See the rules for Equipment Glyphs HERE (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=36040).-Rulings and Clarifications-
N/A_________________________________________________________________

-Strategy, Tactics and Tips-
N/A-Heroscapers Community Contributions-
Initial Playtest: Griffin (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=1152977&postcount=7)
Second Playtest: Hidicul (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=1159628&postcount=105)

[NecroBlade]

Should it perhaps remove up to 4 wounds, since the official one already removes 3 wounds without the possibility of destroying your figure?

[Griffin]

Should it perhaps remove up to 4 wounds, since the official one already removes 3 wounds without the possibility of destroying your figure?

Yeah good point. In fact, I think it should possibly remove them all like Kelda. Now Kelda is just a temporary glyph, where this one is a treasure, so in comparison, Kelda doesn't have a hazard to it, but you can't carry it either.

[NecroBlade]

I think the portability is definitely an improvement over a stationary Kelda. Also, once you get beyond removing 4 wounds, you're looking at only making a difference to figures with 6+ Life. I say go with 4 for now, see how it works.

[Griffin]

I think the portability is definitely an improvement over a stationary Kelda. Also, once you get beyond removing 4 wounds, you're looking at only making a difference to figures with 6+ Life. I say go with 4 for now, see how it works.

Kay. :D:up:

[IAmBatman]

I like where this one is at as well.

[Griffin]

C3G PLAY TEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE TEST UNIT GLYPHS: Eye of Agamotto, Cosmic Shielding, Experimental Medicine, and Probability Manipulator

- THEME TEST/ Check to see if there are any powers or stats on the test unit card that does not accurately reflect the theme or likeness of what the character would and could do. Also consider destructible objects, and whether or not this characters powers should affect them.
PASS

- MIRROR TEST/ Check to see if the unit were played against itself, if there would be any loops that would upset the balance of the Game.
PASS

- BONDING TEST/ Compare the unit card with all possible currently existing Bonding abilities to make sure there are no continual Bonding possibilities that do not stop appropriately or do not stop at all. This is to prevent loops in Bonding.
PASS

- SYNERGIES TEST/ Compare the unit card with all possible currently existing synergies to make sure there are no factors that could break the game by making any unit to powerful or too weak.
PASS

- POWER CHECK/ Consider the test unit and all existing units and all glyphs to compare to and check for any powers that could be over amplified and break the game. Each power must define when it takes place, who or what it affects, and What are the stipulations on the power if there are any.
PASS

- FUN TEST/ Consider whether or not the design was fun to play.
PASS

- FUN COMPETITIVE TEST/ Consider whether or not the design was fun to play against.
PASS

- DRAFTING TEST/ Consider whether or not this design is worth drafting.
PASS

- USAGE TEST/ Consider whether or not all of the powers on this card were used or at least usable.
PASS

- STRATEGY TEST/ Consider whether or not the design offers any real strategy or interesting tactics to the overall game.
PASS

- Army Test/ Does it pass? PASS
Map: Ravaged Road
Units: Thor, Hulk, and Red Skull VS Professor X, Jean Grey, Cyclops, Beast, Iceman, and Angel
Hulk was the first to catch a Glyph. He got the Medicine Equipment Glyph which paid off later. Angel moved up and so did Jean, then Jean threw herself to stand on the Permanent Cosmic Shielding Glyph, and just in time to because Thor flew up and threw his hammer at her which she was able to block while standing on that glyph which gave her a +2 to Special Attacks. She then threw Thor around and started moving towards a different glyph, but he caught back up to her to put her one away from death. Then Scott moved up and Jean tossed Thor down and attacked. Jean got initiative and grabbed the glyph of Probability Manipulator, then she threw her self back up top and used the new device to get a 4 skull attack in on Thor! Then Angel flew Professor back to the camp with the Eye of Agamotto that Prof. had acquired . Now Thor was able to fly away and hit Angel, Professor X, Iceman, and Jean with his Hammer, and did a lot of damage, except Jean who used her Probability Manipulator to alter her defenses. Then Jean threw the thunder god down and Iceman picked up the Eye of Agamotto glyph that Prof. had lost and handed it back to him. Now Hulk jumps in and tries to Smash the Professor, but he gets defended with the Psychic X. Jean tosses Hulk away and mortally wounds Thor. Red Skull cannot see so he moves up and then does nothing. Jean tries to throw and attack but cannot, and Beast advances towards Red Skull. Thor gets past the Psy Grip and hits Prof, Jean, Angel, Iceman and Beast, and does plenty of damage, and even kills Professor, but the Eye of Agamotto saves him. Red skull moves up and rolls a 20 and kills Iceman, then fires at Jean and kills her too, and that triggers Angel to fly Professor out of there. Beast engages Red Skull and hits him for 4 wounds, and Cyclops lines Hulk and Thor up for an Optic Blast that kills Thor and wounds Hulk, then Hulks Medicine goes flying towards Angel. Red Skull shoots and kills Angel, then Beast kills Red Skull, and Cyclops wounds Hulk again. Hulk gets the Medicine back and then kills Cyclops and Beast with a Stomp. Professor waits patientily for his final challenge atop of the old ruin. Hulk leaps up and engages professor, and the two go back and forth for two whole rounds, with Professor using the Eye of Agamotto to stay alive. Finally, Hulk is down to one life left and he uses the Medicine, then the two keep it up again until Hulk SMASSHHHH!!!! wHEElll chAiR MaanNNN!!! and Hulk wins with 5 wounds.

[A3n]

I don't like it & I will vote Nay for it's release unless you change the die roll to be low you die. So:

This figure may inject this Medicine after revealing an order marker on its Army Card. Remove up to 4 wound markers from this figure's Army Card. After removing up to 4 wound markers from this figure's Army Card, roll the 20-sided die. If you roll a 1-7, destroy this figure.

Cheers

[Griffin]

I don't like it & I will vote Nay for it's release unless you change the die roll to be low you die. So:

This figure may inject this Medicine after revealing an order marker on its Army Card. Remove up to 4 wound markers from this figure's Army Card. After removing up to 4 wound markers from this figure's Army Card, roll the 20-sided die. If you roll a 1-7, destroy this figure.Cheers
That was mean, and I am sad. :p But as it just so happens, I agree with your design aesthetics and that the negative affect (death) should be a low roll. So I might change it if you at least say please. ;)

[A3n]

Ha that is funny :p.

[Griffin]

Yes it is funny.

[A3n]

Is it cold?? :p

[Griffin]

What is Fing ice? Please :p.
Oh you know. :p
Is it cold?? :p
Yes.

[whitestuff]

I like it.

The glyph.

[IAmBatman]

I like glyphs!

[Griffin]

I propose that all of these glyphs go to the ERB phase: Eye of Agamotto, Cosmic Shielding, Experimental Medicine, and Probability Manipulator

[IAmBatman]

Thanks for doing them in a group, and yea!

[A3n]

Yea - Well done with all of these Griff.

[whitestuff]

Yea

[Spidey'tilIDie]

As stated elsewhere: Is the glyph "Eye of Agomotto" or "Ruin of Agomotto"? I prefer Ruin because Eye should be a power on Dr. Strange.

[Griffin]

ERB sent.

[GreyOwl]

As stated elsewhere: Is the glyph "Eye of Agomotto" or "Ruin of Agomotto"? I prefer Ruin because Eye should be a power on Dr. Strange.

It should be spelled "Rune" and not "Ruin".

[Griffin]

ERB

All Equipment Glyphs are permanent unless otherwise stated. We are not going to specify one E Glyph being permanent and the other being temporary with accompanying rules, we would just state on the card how to use the power and then when to remove it from the game after its use because unlike classic glyphs, Heroes react with Equipment glyphs in the exact same way. No need for us to complicate it even more. Glad you like though. :D:up:

Looks good! Just one thing that should be noted: is this a permanent equipment glyph or a temporary one? I'm guessing permanent, which is what i'd like to see with 1-7 chance of destroying the figure.

[Griffin]

ERB

Not much to say about this, it´s not exactly the Ultimate Nullifier or anything else I have a reference for...seems it needs some kinda context, like a scenario, for me to have anything really constructive to say...:D (can´t for the life of me think of any FF story references...)

Sounds like a rather temperamental Experimental Medicine :D Pic is fine!

Jesper


I propose we move to playtesting.

[whitestuff]

Yea

[SirGalahad]

Yea

[Spidey'tilIDie]

Yessir.

[NecroBlade]

Yea

[Hahma]

yea

[Griffin]

Waiting on Bats and GO.

[GreyOwl]

Yea (but what about the 24 hour wait...?)

[Griffin]

Yea (but what about the 24 hour wait...?)
That only exists after the initial playtest before voting to go to the ERB, which I did last week. ;)

[A3n]

A big icy Yea

[IAmBatman]

yea.

[Griffin]

Passes.

[Griffin]

Just as a note to Whitey, if you decide to use the pic that I posted on the first page, we could stand to lose the bottle top.

[whitestuff]

Just as a note to Whitey, if you decide to use the pic that I posted on the first page, we could stand to lose the bottle top.
I don't think I will use this pic as there is far too much reflection going on...

[Griffin]

Ahhhh, I see. I would be great if we had one of those Injection Guns that the movies often use like in Resident Evil or something.

[Griffin]

I couldn't find one though. :?

[A3n]

maybe one of these:
http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/8/2008/07/340x_ped_01.jpg

http://www.amber-ambre-inclusions.info/images/hypospray1.jpg

http://www.gearlog.com/images/st_hypospray.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_wmVJl3A0om8/R8vqyDNJ1uI/AAAAAAAABpk/WAk2kkQjBqg/s200/hypospray.jpg

Cheers

[Griffin]

The First and Second ones are awesome.

[IAmBatman]

Nice finds, A3n!

[Spidey'tilIDie]

I like the First and Third ones.

[Hahma]

First one looks great.

[IAmBatman]

Yep - put me down for #1 as well.

[Griffin]

Hey Whitey, I need some art over here please. :)

[whitestuff]

The pic you have gone for is black and white... Is that what you want? It might look a bit odd...

How about this (http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb279/bwhit89/c3g/InjectionGunBeatyPlusSmaller.jpg) or this (http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb279/bwhit89/c3g/injectGun.jpg)?

[Spidey'tilIDie]

I really like that first one.

[A3n]

Yep that first one looks great. :up:

Cheers

[Hahma]

#1 looks good.

[IAmBatman]

Word - #1 for me! :-)

[whitestuff]

How's this?
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb279/bwhit89/c3g/experimentalmedicinecard.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb279/bwhit89/c3g/experimentalmedicinesticker.png

[A3n]

Me Like :D

[Hahma]

Looks cool :D

[IAmBatman]

You're on a roll, Whitey! :-)

[NecroBlade]

Beautiful.

[Spidey'tilIDie]

Fantastico! Great stuff, white err... stuff. (Did that read as weird as it sounded in my head?)

[Griffin]

:jawdrop: That.... is.... so pretty... I could .... :cry:

[Griffin]

I propose this glyph be finalized.

[Spidey'tilIDie]

Yep!

[A3n]

Yea

[IAmBatman]

yea.

[NecroBlade]

Yea

[Hahma]

yea

[SirGalahad]

yea

[whitestuff]

Yea

[Hahma]

The Proposal Passes and the Glyph of Experimental Medicine is finalized.

[IAmBatman]

Sweet! :-)

[Griffin]

We need a PDF.

[whitestuff]

No problems. (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=1272455&postcount=108)

[A3n]

Card pdf linked in OP.

Cheers

[Hahma]

Ignore me if this has been addressed before, but should it say "immediately after revealing an Order Marker" or since it affects the figure carrying it, it's up to them at what point they use it, in case they have a special power that says "After revealing an Order Marker on this card..."

I was looking back over some Glyphs after being on the Grenade thread and noticed this and wanted to double check.

[IAmBatman]

I wonder if it shouldn't say "After revealing and Order Marker, before moving" so someone like Prof X couldn't inject it and then still take a turn with two others ... I'm not completely sure how other folks tested this though, so we'll really need to hear from Griff on this one. I agree, though, that the timing here isn't as clear as it should be. Good call. :-)

[Griffin]

We can edit it we want to of course, but I think it is clear and it was based on an official glyph. However, I don't mind if we want to make it that much clearer.

[IAmBatman]

Would you prefer "After revealing an Order Marker, before taking a turn" or "After revealing an Order Marker, before moving" or something else?

[Griffin]

"After revealing an Order Marker, before taking a turn"

[tcglkn]

I like how "After revealing an Order Marker, before moving" would prevent it from becoming over powered with ProfX.

[IAmBatman]

A couple of small issues here:

It should read "a 1-7".

There's a bit of timing murkiness in the first sentence. We need the first sentence to be this:

After revealing an Order Marker on this figure's Army Card, before taking a turn, this figure may inject the Experimental Medicine.

[whitestuff]

A couple of small issues here:

It should read "a 1-7".

There's a bit of timing murkiness in the first sentence. We need the first sentence to be this:

After revealing an Order Marker on this figure's Army Card, before taking a turn, this figure may inject the Experimental Medicine.Is this wordage final or is this still being debated?

This is another 'a' before a group of numbers that doesn't need to be there. See Cyprien's card.

Shouldn't the first comma be an 'and'?

After revealing an Order Marker on this figure's Army Card and before taking a turn, this figure may inject the Experimental Medicine.

[IAmBatman]

Yes, you're right about the "and." Good call. :-) (Street Thugs are a good precedent there).

[A3n]

A couple of small issues here:

It should read "a 1-7".

There's a bit of timing murkiness in the first sentence. We need the first sentence to be this:

After revealing an Order Marker on this figure's Army Card, before taking a turn, this figure may inject the Experimental Medicine.Is this wordage final or is this still being debated?

This is another 'a' before a group of numbers that doesn't need to be there. See Cyprien's card.

Shouldn't the first comma be an 'and'?

After revealing an Order Marker on this figure's Army Card and before taking a turn, this figure may inject the Experimental Medicine.

We decided long ago that we would use "proper" English & put the "a"s & "an"s before the group of numbers on our cards. HS as instances of both usage.

Cheers

[IAmBatman]

Works for me. Sounds like a decision we would make. Sorry, Whitey, we're going away from Cyprien precedent here.

[whitestuff]

I'm guessing that this isn't changing with the recent vote?

[IAmBatman]

Correct. The no-articles crowd has prevailed. :-)

[whitestuff]

Correct. The no-articles crowd has prevailed. :-)
I've realized that the wordage needs updating anyhow... ;)

After revealing an Order Marker on this figure's Army Card and before taking a turn, this figure may inject the Experimental Medicine. I'll get to this later tonight...

[IAmBatman]

Yes, there was that. :-) Thanks for remembering!

[whitestuff]

Yes, there was that. :-) Thanks for remembering!
My stupid busy life keeps getting in the way...

The earliest I can get to this will be Saturday... sorry about that.

[IAmBatman]

Thanks for the update. :-) Luckily Saturday's not that far off and we have lots of other stuff still to do before the release! We do need to get cracking, though, because we're quickly running out of February! :-P

[tcglkn]

Should "This figure..." read "The figure equipped with this glyph..."?

The card doesn't have a figure so the "This figure" wording feels off.

[IAmBatman]

I believe "this figure" is a precedent taken from Treasure Glyphs.

[tcglkn]

:oops: I need to read up on my Treasure Glyphs. Still feels off but official is our goal so we're good here.

[whitestuff]

Ok, this is updated.

[A3n]

done

[johnny139]

Huh - quick question, can a figure re-use Experimental Medicine? It doesn't say anything about removing it after use or stuff like that, so, I figure they could, but I'm not 100% sure. Same with the Latverian Life Spell.

[Hahma]

Huh - quick question, can a figure re-use Experimental Medicine? It doesn't say anything about removing it after use or stuff like that, so, I figure they could, but I'm not 100% sure. Same with the Latverian Life Spell.


Yeah, like you said, it doesn't say to discard it or that it was a one time use. There is a risk to it, so it might end up being one time use anyway:D Plus the fact that equipment glyphs can be pretty easy to knock away from the carrier, you might use it once but lose it after taking wounds and then your opponent can pick it up and use it.

There are so many new useful equipment glyphs here that people will learn the strategies of glyph placement after it's knocked away.

[tcglkn]

:ponder: I just assumed it was a one time use... That's good to know.

[SirGalahad]

Read the Glyph of Time Bomb. The power will tell you if you are supposed to remove the glyph from the game.

[Griffin]

The Glyph of Experimental Medicine is like universal health care; you can use it over and over, but eventually, it will do you harm. ;)

[johnny139]

The Book of the Glyph of Experimental Medicine

C3G MARVEL FANTASTIC FOUR MASTER SET
FANTASTIC FORCES UNITE!

http://c3games.com/C3G/released/cards_glyph/jpg/C3G-EG_ExperimentalMedicine.jpg
Card PDF (http://c3games.com/C3G/released/cards_glyph/pdf/C3G-EG_ExperimentalMedicine.pdf)

http://c3games.com/C3G/released/cards_glyph/jpg/C3G-GS_ExperimentalMedicine.png
Glyph PDF ( http://c3games.com/C3G/released/cards_glyph/pdf/C3G-GS_FantasticForces.pdf)

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Glyph Bio - Without the official approval of the FDA, this medicine is not quite ready for the open market, as its testing is not entirely complete. So far all the tests have proven this drug to be safe... except for that one time. But that lab rat probably died from some other complication. Probably.
_________________________________________________________________

-Type of Glyph-
Equipment Glyph: See the rules for Equipment Glyphs HERE (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=36040).

-Rulings and Clarifications-
N/A
_________________________________________________________________

-Strategy, Tactics and Tips-
N/A

-Heroscapers Community Contributions-
Initial Playtest: Griffin (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=1152977&postcount=7)
Second Playtest: Hidicul (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=1159628&postcount=105)

[IAmBatman]

Got it.

[A3n]

Ok, I am remaking this card at the moment with the asphalt background & thought the wording is a bit strange. I suggest changing it to:

After revealing an Order Marker on this figure’s Army Card and before taking a turn, you may roll the 20-sided die. If you roll 1-7, destroy this figure. If you roll 8 or higher you may remove up to 4 Wound Markers from this figure’s Army Card.

[IAmBatman]

I'm missing it - what's the actual change from what's in the OP? Or did you already make it?

[Hahma]

Isn't that what the card in the OP already says?

[A3n]

Oh crap! I must have uploaded that by mistake :oops:. I had it ready, hoping for the change but must have uploaded it with the other glyph updates.

Umm, this is strange, the index has the power written as:
This figure may inject this Medicine after revealing an Order Marker on its Army Card. Remove up to 4 wound markers from this figure's Army Card. After removing up to 4 wound markers from this figure's Army Card, roll the 20-sided die. If you roll 1-7, destroy this figure.

But the card had something (I saved over it so I don't have the exact wording anymore) but like:
After revealing an Order Marker on the Army Card of the figure carrying this glyph and before taking a turn, you may inject Experimental Medicine. Remove up to 4 wound markers from this figure's Army Card. After removing up to 4 wound markers from this figure's Army Card, roll the 20-sided die. If you roll 1-7, destroy this figure.

Either way I think it's better as:
After revealing an Order Marker on this figure’s Army Card and before taking a turn, you may roll the 20-sided die. If you roll 1-7, destroy this figure. If you roll 8 or higher you may remove up to 4 Wound Markers from this figure’s Army Card.

[SirGalahad]

I can live with that, if people are ok with us retconning our own work. :smile:

[A3n]

I can live with that, if people are ok with us retconning our own work. :smile:

I'm only suggesting it because I have to redo the cards to the asphalt background anyway & because it's not changing the mechanics at all.

Speaking of which if you want to quickly re-phrase any of the other Fantastic Forces United glyphs that would be cool also.

[SirGalahad]

Too tired right now. Will look at in the morning.

[IAmBatman]

If you're changing it anyway, that's definitely a good text update. As far as I can tell, it doesn't affect the mechanics at all, but it reads a lot better.

Not sure why we had that silly themey "inject" language in there to begin with. :-P

[A3n]

Card & glyph updated with asphalt background.