Einar, Ullar and Vydar questions

[earlofwessex]

What's with these other three sides? All I can find on the Heroscape website is the simple good Jandar vs. evil Utgar comics and journals. Ok, I didn't make it through all the journals, but since they haven't added anything is a while, I doubt it's worth it.

Anyway, are these sides supposed to have special emphasies? Einar seems to have a lot of disciplined squads. Anyway, what should I know about the 5 sides?

Stephen Coney

[CupidsArt]

Einar seems to be the "Follow the Emperor" type, the Emperor being Utgar. To rule all of Valhalla with an iron fist.

Ullar seems to be the "Protect all living things" One with the planet (balance), their mortal enemy being Utgar (Utgar wants power)

Vydar seems to follow the route of "Hired Killers" we don't care who you are, give us money and we will fight.

.....IMO

[K/H_Addict]

i'd have to agree with CA


or maybe thay are innocent bystanders who felt left out during the war of all time, so the recruited their own dude and said HA UTGAR COME GET ME PUNK!

[KeeperOfPeace]

I would think that Einar is certainly on with Utgar. Yet, I believe he is more of the hire me type since he has samurai. And samurai were basically mercenaries.

Vydar, I would think he is sort of like Jandar, but probably not as nice. Looking at for number one.

Ullar, most likely a more nuetral ValKyrie. Probably more of an animal/ nature type.

Man oh man I wish I had made the story of HS I was working on a while back. I had a awesome idea of how all the generals reacted to one another. Who knows, maybe I will be the HS writer here if nobody else takes it.

[MacG]

I believe he is more of the hire me type since he has samurai. And samurai were basically mercenaries.


I'm gonna have to argue with you there. Samurai were feudal vassals tied to one lord. They were like the local guy the earl kept on hand to control peasants in an area and raise an army in Europoean feudalism. They were the small-time local aristocracy in service to the big guy.

RONIN (disgraced samurai or samurai who lost their lord) were the wandering mercenaries. Most "Samurai" movies are set in the period when the feudal society broke down and many "Samurai" became wanderers. It's part of the angst.

I like Einar is more "There shall be only the finest warriors" in theme. He picks Samurai, the Romans, the Sacred Band, and Valguard, all of whom are noted warriors in their time and place. He doesn't even have Kyrie yet.

Oooh!
What do you think Einar and Ullar Kyrie are like?

Ullar - Dryad-like creatures flying in amongst the trees?
Einar - leather-strapped warriors flying in a phalanx?

[Nwojedi]

I picture Vydar as more of a Borg type. Seems they are always technology based, or Sci Fi.

[Nightmare]

If you look in the FAQ on the official site, it says that Ullar is with Jandar, and Einar and Vydar are with Utgar. But it has this disturbing line: But alliances can change...
Other than that:
JANDAR: Good characters that fight evil no matter what.
ULLAR: Nature based, wood dwellers, such as Elves. These seem to be more characters with a connection to nature.
UTGAR: Evil, wants the wellsprings all to themselves.
EINAR: Only the finest warriors, such as Samurai.
VYDAR: Technological, futuristic warriors that fight with no emotion.

[LilNewbie]

Three is a 6th General...very little is known about him....his name.....Newbar! That's right...be afraid...be very afraid. He only uses the finest Clowns and Mimes ever assembled anywhere! Pie in the Face and Stuck in a Glass Box are some of the abilities being reported from the front lines. It's war and Newbar spares no one!!



MWUHAAHAHAHAAHA!





:D


Newb. (aka Newbar!)

[KeeperOfPeace]

When my group first got the game, we assumed that Jandar and Vydar were together since they were basically the same color. And since blue is generally a good color, we figured they were good. Since Utgar and Einar are close in color, we also figured they were together, and that Ullar since is green and doesn't resemble any of them, must be nuetral or a merc force.

[KeeperOfPeace]

If you look in the FAQ on the official site, it says that Ullar is with Jandar, and Einar and Vydar are with Utgar. But it has this disturbing line: But alliances can change...
Other than that:
JANDAR: Good characters that fight evil no matter what.
ULLAR: Nature based, wood dwellers, such as Elves. These seem to be more characters with a connection to nature.
UTGAR: Evil, wants the wellsprings all to themselves.
EINAR: Only the finest warriors, such as Samurai.
VYDAR: Technological, futuristic warriors that fight with no emotion.

So this is official? The only reason I ask is since I would like to create a storyline for HS that I would post on here.

[Nwojedi]

Three is a 6th General...very little is known about him....his name.....Newbar! That's right...be afraid...be very afraid. He only uses the finest Clowns and Mimes ever assembled anywhere! Pie in the Face and Stuck in a Glass Box are some of the abilities being reported from the front lines. It's war and Newbar spares no one!!

So newbar is the general of Shakes the Clown?

[Turtleboy]

[topicjack] Oooh!
What do you think Einar and Ullar Kyrie are like?

Ullar - Dryad-like creatures flying in amongst the trees?


SAYLUND ...... :wink:

[Nightmare]

If you look in the FAQ on the official site, it says that Ullar is with Jandar, and Einar and Vydar are with Utgar. But it has this disturbing line: But alliances can change...
Other than that:
JANDAR: Good characters that fight evil no matter what.
ULLAR: Nature based, wood dwellers, such as Elves. These seem to be more characters with a connection to nature.
UTGAR: Evil, wants the wellsprings all to themselves.
EINAR: Only the finest warriors, such as Samurai.
VYDAR: Technological, futuristic warriors that fight with no emotion.

So this is official? The only reason I ask is since I would like to create a storyline for HS that I would post on here.
The part about the alliances is true, the whole JANDAR: Good characters that fight evil no matter what, ULLAR: etc Thing was my guessing of how they recruit.
But yes, it is true that Jandar and Ullar are together, And Einar and Vydar and Utgar are together.

[GaryLASQ]

the alliances of Ullar, Einar and Vydar are all explained in the scenario story of my map "The Growing Expænse" ;)

http://heroscape.glasq.com/maps/garylasq_map0107_expaense.htm

[Velenne]

I'd like to see the current HS canon (comics, journals, etc) consolidated into a timeline and/or explanation in a single place.

[TheRealQ]

I was thinking about deeply about this a few weeks ago and made some logical links. The problem is that I am away from home and don't have access to my notes. Grrr. I believe it went a bit like this:

I think the alliances are built on a pentagram similar to Magic the Gathering.

Utgar vs Ullar & Jandar
Einar vs Jandar & Vydar
Ullar vs Vydar & Utgar
Jandar vs Utgar & Einar
Vydar vs Einar & Ullar

In similar fashion I believe that the different generals will focus on different strategies. Much like MtG a well built army will have a mix of two or three generals.

What do you think Einar and Ullar Kyrie are like?

You probably meant Vydar instead of Ullar. I am currently working on a couple custom Kyries for Vydar and Einar. Since Vydar seems to be all about stealth and sneakiness I am giving him the power of Teleport, Sneak Attack, and Flying. I haven't worked out the details of Sneak Attack but I figure the Teleport will be based on a d20 with different ranges that the kyrie can teleport, 1 being a failure and 20 allowing the figure to be placed anywhere on the board. Teleport will be a power that can be used instead of normal movement for that players turn.

A Einar kyrie might reflect the Einar style of bonding/enhancement. If so they might come with a complementary squad akin to the Sentinels or Minions, or they would enhance a standing squad that currently has no enhancing hero figure ie. samurai.

I went a different direction though. I thought about what we haven't seen a kyrie do and used that instead. I am building a kyrie with range and a movement enhancing aura. The aura will work like this,"All friendly figures starting their movement within 4 clear sight spaces or Garin add 2 to their movement." I will probably give him about a 7 range otherwise his stats will be typical of kyries. Another difference was be that I will make him a Scout rather than a Warrior

[earlofwessex]

But if Einar and Utgar are together then how can I have fun butchering orks with my Romans?

If trapped in a glass box doesn't work, I hear that Newbar's army has the ability to force all their enemies to walk against the wind to reach them, or they can always peel an invisible bannana and have their enemies slip on the invisible peels.

[Jason]

I was thinking theother day about a Custom Kyrie that boosts movement. The stats I were thinking was like:

1 attack
3 defense
4 Life

100 Points

All friendly Units with his line of Site receive +2 movement. I do not believe in making it a limited range LOS boost (like Raelins 4 space aura) since that would basically slow down advancement thereby running contradictory to the intent of the piece

[GaryLASQ]

I think the alliances are built on a pentagram similar to Magic the Gathering. In similar fashion I believe that the different generals will focus on different strategies. Much like MtG a well built army will have a mix of two or three generals.

haven't played MtG. HS truely is my gateway game to this sort of gaming. the "pentagram alliances" sounds interesting. how does "good vs. evil" work into such a configuration?

[TheRealQ]

haven't played MtG. HS truely is my gateway game to this sort of gaming. the "pentagram alliances" sounds interesting. how does "good vs. evil" work into such a configuration?

In the real world the good guys are the ones that win...notice I didn't write it the cliche way of "the good guys always win." History is written by the victor and when they write it they are the good guys and the bad guys were the guys that lost.

MtG and HS are only slightly different on their take of this. Einar, Ullar, and Vydar are neither good nor evil but instead have agendas which seperate them from the others yet, at times, aligns them with different General toward a specific goal.

If I were to try and draw parallels I would consider Utgar similar to MtGs black who is evil. Jandar to white who is good and has army enhancing cards similar to the powers of Finn, Raelin, and Thorgrim. Vydar would parallel blue, the trickster, in that its characters are stealthy or bend the rules in a completely different way. Ullar is green, which is similar in temperment to the socio-political "green" that we regularly hear about in the real world ie environmentalists. The last parallel would be Einar and MtGs red...okay, I don't see the similarity but it has been a while since I played; these were the only ones left.

[Alastair MacDirk]

The thing I don't get is why the Soulborgs come from different Generals, the same with the Kyrie. If all soulborgs were Vydar it woulda made more sense.

[jcb231]

I would like to see some Einar and Vydar Kyrie in the game. There is an early prototype shot of a female Kyrie in yellow/violet robes that looks like she may have been for Einar, but who knows.

I like the "feel" of each of the five generals....I think Hasbro has covered their bases well and its hard to think of a unit type that wouldn't fit in with one of these guys.

[toddrew]

I'll look around to see if it's noted elsewhere, but has anyone noted the 'notches on Q9's gun (shoulder)' so to speak? It looks like 4 Jandar, 4 Utgar, and 3 Ullar figures have been mowed down by the 'borg. No Einar. Any indication of alliances there?

[bobofett]

(battle report) this just in the battle of all time has begun all of the generals are at the world's largest battle ground with all of there forces. WHAT'S THIS. it appears newbar is here and is trapping everyone in glass boxes. CRASH! the glass surrounding the figures has broken. mabye the mimes should of went with something more solid. BOOM (the camera was just blown up by DW9K's explosion attack.) The camera guy is down, AHHH the whole chopper is coming down. Prepare for emergency landing.

Transmission ended.

[SyvarrisX]

I would definetley say that Einar is with Utgar. Vydar is the middle man. And the other two are together.

[morgonis]

the offical site and FAQ states Jandar and Ullar are allied, Utgar, Einar and Vydar are allied........

[TheRealQ]

the offical site and FAQ states Jandar and Ullar are allied, Utgar, Einar and Vydar are allied........

this is taken out of context

Which Valkyrie Generals are allies, which ones are enemies?
Normally the good/bad lines are drawn as follows:
Good: Jandar
Bad: Utgar
Neutral with slight leanings toward one side or the other: Ullar, Vydar, Einar. So, currently Ullar is allied with Jandar and Einar/ Vydar are with Utgar but alliances can change...

Neutral with slight leanings There are no formal alliances. This plus the last line 'alliances can change', plus the obvious Morsbane vs Sudema, Marro vs Venoc, Valguard vs Thorgrim/Finn, and other match-ups is why I came up with my earlier posted theory. As I said at that time though I don't have my notes with me that lists every rivalry and partnership but I have looked into this in depth.

[Feng Shui]

Pretty much what I've gathered is this.

Utgar: "ZomG! I will takes over the WULRDZ!"
Everyone else: "Oh NOES! UtGar will destroy us ALL! We must fight backZorZ!11!!1!"

But uh... this is a very loose analysis.

[morgonis]

leet speak brought to Heroscape...id burn my sets if that ever came to be lol


TheRealQ...all the match ups you listed, all fall under what the Offical Site said is the allainces...
Morsebane is Ullar, Sudema is Vydar
Venoc is Ullar, Marro is Utgar
Thorgrim/Fin is Jandor, Valgard is Einar


ive read and made physical copies of all the bios, all the match ups and such they all stick to the Jandar + Ullar vs Utgar + Einar + Vydar lines

just letting ya know :)

[morgonis]

oh yes, and the allainces can change line.........when people field a army of Minions, KMA, AE, and Sylv...they just changed alotta allainces hehe, personally i think the may change line is just there for scenerio reasonings etc

simply put they got how much product on the shelves now all revolveing around the present allainces, if all of a sudden they said "Vydar and Jandor decided to be buddies now" we get a whole buncha Vydar armies whith back storys that have them dislikeing many of the Jandar and Ullar and vice versa...ie: realistically, the offical allainces will likely never change, regardless if they say "allanices may change"..again i believe thats just a way to slip in mixed armies onto the field hehe

[TheRealQ]

Morgonis, I think you are oversimplifying. In a few weeks to a month I'll be home again and find my notes and post the findings. If hurts my head to think much more about this.

In real war alliances form, cease, and reform with regularity. If you don't believe me read your history or simply watch the news. There is never an alliance that can't nor won't be broken unless there is a merging with one command. If there are going to be 5 generals leading 5 factions then they will each have their own seperate goals that either puts them in control or prevents someone else from gaining control. grrr

I don't think Hasbro was frivolous with their writing.

I am putting myself to bed before I bust a vessel.

[Augray]

The thing I don't get is why the Soulborgs come from different Generals, the same with the Kyrie. If all soulborgs were Vydar it woulda made more sense.

The generals (Jandar, Utgar, etc.) are pulling heroes from different worlds. I think the idea is that there is good and evil in every world. The Marro and the Vipers come from Marr. The Marro seem to be the type of warriors that Utgar likes while the Vipers appeal to Ullar. On Marr the Marro and Vipers are enemies.

On Alpha Prime there are the Deathwalkers, the Zettians, the Snipers, the Gladiatrons, and the Blastatrons. The Deathwalkers and the Zettians are the "evil" on Alpha Prime, so Utgar likes them. The Snipers are the "good" on Alpha Prime, so they get picked by Jandar.

[truth]

The thing I don't get is why the Soulborgs come from different Generals, the same with the Kyrie. If all soulborgs were Vydar it woulda made more sense.

The generals (Jandar, Utgar, etc.) are pulling heroes from different worlds. I think the idea is that there is good and evil in every world. The Marro and the Vipers come from Marr. The Marro seem to be the type of warriors that Utgar likes while the Vipers appeal to Ullar. On Marr the Marro and Vipers are enemies.

On Alpha Prime there are the Deathwalkers, the Zettians, the Snipers, the Gladiatrons, and the Blastatrons. The Deathwalkers and the Zettians are the "evil" on Alpha Prime, so Utgar likes them. The Snipers are the "good" on Alpha Prime, so they get picked by Jandar.

Blastatrons eh? :) Do you know something I don't?

[Augray]

Blastatrons eh? :) Do you know something I don't?

They are mentioned in the Gladiatrons bio.

The Gladiatrons come from the flatland region of Alpha Prime. Originally, they were constructed as scouts for their Blastatron counterparts. Since being called to Valhalla, they have evolved into their own deadly killing squad. Beware the approaching Gladiatrons: once engaged, they can focus their energy, allowing their defensive powers to enhance. Their Cyberclaw locks most opponents down, and enemy warriors unlucky enough to be thusly immobilized can do little more than pray for a miracle to survive the attack.

I assume they are coming.

[netherspirit]

They used to be called Deathatrons or something to that affect.

[E.G.Snakeman]

Yet, I believe he is more of the hire me type since he has samurai. And samurai were basically mercenaries.

Actually samurai translated means "one who serves" ... and is implied to mean a loyal retainer to one daimyo... "wealthy land owner"

A samurai who was not devoted to one lord was not called samurai, but ronin... a title which brought no honor, and translates with the connotation (mercenary) you were applying to samurai...



but someone already went over that now that I read on... sorry

[E.G.Snakeman]

I was thinking theother day about a Custom Kyrie that boosts movement. The stats I were thinking was like:

1 attack
3 defense
4 Life

100 Points

All friendly Units with his line of Site receive +2 movement. I do not believe in making it a limited range LOS boost (like Raelins 4 space aura) since that would basically slow down advancement thereby running contradictory to the intent of the piece

I did this with my first raelin repaint, and called it rally cry... I worded it as anyone passing through a hex within 4 clear sight spaces gets the bonus...

[E.G.Snakeman]

why aren't the quotes working for me here???

[netherspirit]

why aren't the quotes working for me here???

Thats strange, I don't see anything wrong with your quotes and when I copy and paste them in my own box they work fine....

[Retlaw]

From the backs of the packaging from Mallidon's Prophecy:

EINAR in his quest to aid UTGAR control the wellsprings, has summoned additional warriors to fight... (back of Romans package)

JANDAR needs more warriors to continue his battle against the evil UTGAR. Together he and ULLAR have summoned additional warriors to help in the fight... (back of Snipers and Vipers package)

[morgonis]

Morgonis, I think you are oversimplifying. In a few weeks to a month I'll be home again and find my notes and post the findings. If hurts my head to think much more about this.

In real war alliances form, cease, and reform with regularity. If you don't believe me read your history or simply watch the news. There is never an alliance that can't nor won't be broken unless there is a merging with one command. If there are going to be 5 generals leading 5 factions then they will each have their own seperate goals that either puts them in control or prevents someone else from gaining control. grrr

I don't think Hasbro was frivolous with their writing.

I am putting myself to bed before I bust a vessel.

i never said the allainces wont change on the playing field, i just said Hasbro will likely not change the Official allainces, again from the simple fact of the marketing angle thus far, for example....they cant suddenly say Vydar and Jandar are now allies without going back through and repackageing everything that had a Jandor or a Vydar in it with statements on the box about how they are to battle each other, otherwiese its just going to confuse people buying the product.

and once again i will repeat my earlier statements....I believe the "may change allainces" line is there for plausible reasoning to allow ya to field a army useing troops from all the sides (Jandar, Utgar, etc)....

in other words on the game field alliances can and will be made, betrayed, bought, sold, etc...however the Official ruleing by Hasbro on the Jandar + Ullar vs Utgar + Einar + Vydar will likely never change.

[TheRealQ]

The generals (Jandar, Utgar, etc.) are pulling heroes from different worlds. I think the idea is that there is good and evil in every world. The Marro and the Vipers come from Marr. The Marro seem to be the type of warriors that Utgar likes while the Vipers appeal to Ullar. On Marr the Marro and Vipers are enemies.

and then there are the independent Gorillinators...they're from Marr too

[truth]

Blastatrons eh? :) Do you know something I don't?

They are mentioned in the Gladiatrons bio.

The Gladiatrons come from the flatland region of Alpha Prime. Originally, they were constructed as scouts for their Blastatron counterparts. Since being called to Valhalla, they have evolved into their own deadly killing squad. Beware the approaching Gladiatrons: once engaged, they can focus their energy, allowing their defensive powers to enhance. Their Cyberclaw locks most opponents down, and enemy warriors unlucky enough to be thusly immobilized can do little more than pray for a miracle to survive the attack.

I assume they are coming.
heee I missed that. :oops:

[jcb231]

Blastatrons eh? :) Do you know something I don't?

They are mentioned in the Gladiatrons bio.

The Gladiatrons come from the flatland region of Alpha Prime. Originally, they were constructed as scouts for their Blastatron counterparts. Since being called to Valhalla, they have evolved into their own deadly killing squad. Beware the approaching Gladiatrons: once engaged, they can focus their energy, allowing their defensive powers to enhance. Their Cyberclaw locks most opponents down, and enemy warriors unlucky enough to be thusly immobilized can do little more than pray for a miracle to survive the attack.

I assume they are coming.
heee I missed that. :oops:

Yeah, lots of folks did. The bio quoted above is one of the big reasons so many folks feel the Soulborgs on the left side of the shelf pic are for Vydar and are these very Blastatrons. They just look the part and line up with Vydar's style.