The C3G Cave - Hangout

[Good Pig]

Spider-Man action is enjoyable in all media forms. :)

Except maybe the Spider-Man video games. Most of those have been pretty lame. The last one I remember liking was Ultimate Spider-Man for Gamecube.

[Lord Pyre]

Is it just me, or does it seem like that movie style may actually be better suited for Comic movies than live action?

Nah, personally, I almost always prefer live action, no matter what. I don't watch any anime or whatever mostly for that reason, I can only handle so many cartoons. :p

For the CG stuff, it works for Pixar and Dreamworks, but for something even semi-serious like superhero movies, give me live action!

[Margloth]

That style definitely looked better for Hulk than his live action movies did.

[quozl]

It worked for The Incredibles really well.

[Griffin]

Is it just me, or does it seem like that movie style may actually be better suited for Comic movies than live action?

Nah, personally, I almost always prefer live action, no matter what. I don't watch any anime or whatever mostly for that reason, I can only handle so many cartoons. :p

For the CG stuff, it works for Pixar and Dreamworks, but for something even semi-serious like superhero movies, give me live action!
While I don't personally share that opinion, I don't think you are alone. I think there are enough people that wouldn't care to see a CG Super movie that keeps the movie makers away from the idea. Where on the other hand, guys like me who LOVE CG, wouldn't hold it against a movie because it happened to be live action. So I think Live Action is just safer and will ALWAYS make more movie sells. For example, compare the ticket sells from the live action TMNT to the CG TMNT.... live action wins out.

[Griffin]

It worked for The Incredibles really well.
But I think Lord Pyre's point is that IT DOES work well for movies like that that don't take themselves anywhere near as serious as the comic live action movies.

I think the concept of taking CG movies that seriously is very far off from the average movie goer, unfortunately. A good story is a good story, especially when it looks great with a COMIC book flare.

[Margloth]

I think comic purists would enjoy CG movies... but general public might not.

One of my big gripes about the Hulk movies was that the Hulk never looked like the Hulk. This is because Hulk's face is always drawn in such a cartoonish manner, no self-respecting directpr would dare put his real face on a character in a live-action film, for fear of looking silly.

But for comic nerds, we look at CG Hulk face and say, that doesn't look like Hulk.

[Lord Pyre]

It worked for The Incredibles really well.
But I think Lord Pyre's point is that IT DOES work well for movies like that that don't take themselves anywhere near as serious as the comic live action movies.

I think the concept of taking CG movies that seriously is very far off from the average movie goer, unfortunately. A good story is a good story, especially when it looks great with a COMIC book flare.

Yup, exactly. Incredibles was kind of a parody, and it honestly wouldn't have worked live action. But I can't get into a story as well if there's not real people involved. CG is better than cartoons, but live action is just the best, for me personally.

It's been forever since I've seen the old TMNT. I hated the new CG one. :p

[johnny139]

Weird, I'm of the complete opposite of everyone else here. :lol: Animation is THE perfect superhero medium if you ask me; there is no better Batman than the Animated Series, no better Spider-Man than The Spectacular Spider-Man. You can't capture the true intent of a comic book in live action; it's too stylized, too clearly fake. When you see Iron Man smashing into jetliners, you know it can't happen.

But in a cartoon, you know nothing is real to begin with. There's never the pretense of reality. You come in with the state of mind that it's all fake, and so the stakes are different; within THAT reality there really is a Spider-Man or a Superman. It can work, and it obviously has, particularly with down-to-Earth guys like Batman, but when it doubt, go animated.

And CGi, to me, is the worst of both worlds. It's too realistic-looking to capture the "comic" feel, but too clearly fake to buy as real. Well, realistic CGi, at least; stylized stuff like Pixar is on par with "true" animation.

[Scapemage]

Speaking of such, I watched the initial Justice League Unlimited episode today on Youtube. Cool beans :up:

[Swamper]

Spider-Man action is enjoyable in all media forms. :)

Except maybe the Spider-Man video games. Most of those have been pretty lame. The last one I remember liking was Ultimate Spider-Man for Gamecube.

I don't know, I rather enjoyed Shattered Dimensions.

And Spectacular Spider Man FTW! :p

[Spidey'tilIDie]

The new Spider-Man game is supposed to be even better than Shattered Dimensions. BTW, the pics in that cartoon are nearly identical to the CGI stuff from the Ultimate Alliance titles. If they did a Marvel movie like that, I would go see it! Multiple times!

[Swamper]

The new Spider-Man game is supposed to be even better than Shattered Dimensions. BTW, the pics in that cartoon are nearly identical to the CGI stuff from the Ultimate Alliance titles. If they did a Marvel movie like that, I would go see it! Multiple times!

Edge of time? That one looks pretty sweet too.

I wouldn't mind seeing a Spidey game starring Noir Spider-Man either!

[IAmBatman]

CGI/live action/cartoon - as long as they're telling a quality story about my favorite characters, I'm in. :-)

[Good Pig]

Spider-Man action is enjoyable in all media forms. :)

Except maybe the Spider-Man video games. Most of those have been pretty lame. The last one I remember liking was Ultimate Spider-Man for Gamecube.

I don't know, I rather enjoyed Shattered Dimensions.

And Spectacular Spider Man FTW! :p

The new Spider-Man game is supposed to be even better than Shattered Dimensions. BTW, the pics in that cartoon are nearly identical to the CGI stuff from the Ultimate Alliance titles. If they did a Marvel movie like that, I would go see it! Multiple times!

Edge of time? That one looks pretty sweet too.

I wouldn't mind seeing a Spidey game starring Noir Spider-Man either!

My PS3 locked up for the fourth time. I'll replace it eventually, but for now I'm playing some Gamecube/Wii stuff. Once it's replaced there's at least a few games I want to check out. I'll take a peak at those two. I saw a preview for Shattered Dimensions awhile back and it looked interesting. Perhaps there's hope yet for Spidey games.

[Griffin]

I thought the original Spidey games for PS1 were AWESOME. And the Movie games were great too. Especially for their time, but still hold up the fun factor for me. :reapershrug:

[Lord Pyre]

I thought the original Spidey games for PS1 were AWESOME. And the Movie games were great too. Especially for their time, but still hold up the fun factor for me. :reapershrug:

The one with Monster Ock as the last boss? I played it on N64, loved it! :D

[Spidey'tilIDie]

I thought the original Spidey games for PS1 were AWESOME. And the Movie games were great too. Especially for their time, but still hold up the fun factor for me. :reapershrug:

The one with Monster Ock as the last boss? I played it on N64, loved it! :DIt was Carnage and Doc Ock mixed together. And I also loved it. I recently played through it again with my nephew. Still a blast!

[Griffin]

I thought the original Spidey games for PS1 were AWESOME. And the Movie games were great too. Especially for their time, but still hold up the fun factor for me. :reapershrug:

The one with Monster Ock as the last boss? I played it on N64, loved it! :DIt was Carnage and Doc Ock mixed together. And I also loved it. I recently played through it again with my nephew. Still a blast!
I think y'all are spot on. That boss is AMAZING!!!!

[Spidey'tilIDie]

I thought the original Spidey games for PS1 were AWESOME. And the Movie games were great too. Especially for their time, but still hold up the fun factor for me. :reapershrug:

The one with Monster Ock as the last boss? I played it on N64, loved it! :DIt was Carnage and Doc Ock mixed together. And I also loved it. I recently played through it again with my nephew. Still a blast!
I think y'all are spot on. That bossgame is AMAZING!!!!
Fixed. :thumbsup:

[Margloth]

Got the first volume of Sinestro War today. Started reading it and am enjoying it so far.

Also picked up X-Men / Avengers: Utopia Collection. Didn't really look at what it was about, but I figured I needed to catch up both groups.

Read some Siege stuff, and there's a character there (Sentry) I know basically nothing about, but he's portrayed as extremely powerful. He kills Ares with his bare hands, literally ripping him apart! Who is this guy? Has he been around, or is he new?

[marv_art]

Sentry is REALLY powerful, but, the Hulk whipped him!

[Spidey'tilIDie]

A very big deal was made about Sentry when he debuted about ten years ago. It was revealed that he was a previously, unrevealed Hero for Marvel created by Jack Kirby which Kirby never actually put in a comic. He had a back story, a name, a secret origin, an arch-enemy, and a cool costume. But it was all a hoax. He was really created by the guys who wrote and drew his first miniseries, where the story told how the entire Marvel U had forgotten its once "greatest champion." Sentry, with the power of a thousand exploding suns, was basically Marvel's answer to Superman. And actually, he is the only one to EVER defeat the Hulk outright, one-on-one, no tricks. The new Avengers tower used to be his version of the "Fortress of Solitude."

[Spidey'tilIDie]

Sentry is REALLY powerful, but, the Hulk whipped him!
Wrong, other way around. Sentry ended World War Hulk, by seemingly curing Banner of the Hulk by burning him out.

[Margloth]

A very big deal was made about Sentry when he debuted about ten years ago. It was revealed that he was a previously, unrevealed Hero for Marvel created by Jack Kirby which Kirby never actually put in a comic. He had a back story, a name, a secret origin, an arch-enemy, and a cool costume. But it was all a hoax. He was really created by the guys who wrote and drew his first miniseries, where the story told how the entire Marvel U had forgotten its once "greatest champion." Sentry, with the power of a thousand exploding suns, was basically Marvel's answer to Superman. And actually, he is the only one to EVER defeat the Hulk outright, one-on-one, no tricks. The new Avengers tower used to be his version of the "Fortress of Solitude." Thanks for the detail!
So what is he? How did he get such power? Or has it been explained?

EDIT: Ok, I caught up a bit on wikipedia. Seems like an interesting character, but also glad that as of the end of Siege, he's dead. Neatly wrapped up, for now.

[Swamper]

Have any of y'all played Ultimate Alliance 2? What did y'all think about it?

[Xn F M]

Have any of y'all played Ultimate Alliance 2? What did y'all think about it?

Hate it.

I can't tell the difference between any of the guys on the screen (because they're all rendered in a sort of washed-out, "realistic" manner), and you can redistribute your powers with no penalty over the course of the game. Why bother with giving you the ability to build your character and make choices as to what abilities you want to give him if you can just change them all willy-nilly?

The combos are cool. But other than that (and Iron Fist) there's nothing I really like about that game. Though I do know a bunch of other people who love it.

[Lord Pyre]

Got the first volume of Sinestro War today. Started reading it and am enjoying it so far.

Also picked up X-Men / Avengers: Utopia Collection. Didn't really look at what it was about, but I figured I needed to catch up both groups.

Read some Siege stuff, and there's a character there (Sentry) I know basically nothing about, but he's portrayed as extremely powerful. He kills Ares with his bare hands, literally ripping him apart! Who is this guy? Has he been around, or is he new?

I don't know, but I read through Siege and stuff, and he was pretty awesome. Basically Superman, except insane. Totally awesome! But Thor knows how to beat him if he needs to. ;)

Have any of y'all played Ultimate Alliance 2? What did y'all think about it?

Hate it.

I can't tell the difference between any of the guys on the screen (because they're all rendered in a sort of washed-out, "realistic" manner), and you can redistribute your powers with no penalty over the course of the game. Why bother with giving you the ability to build your character and make choices as to what abilities you want to give him if you can just change them all willy-nilly?

The combos are cool. But other than that (and Iron Fist) there's nothing I really like about that game. Though I do know a bunch of other people who love it.

While the Ultimate Alliance games aren't perfect, my friend and I had a blast with both of them. Okay, we never finished #2, but we still loved it. We played the Fan 4, and yeah it was hard to tell Reed (Me) and Johnny (My friend) apart a lot, but it was still worth playing with a friend!

[Flame Gryphon]

Have any of y'all played Ultimate Alliance 2? What did y'all think about it?

It was absolutely amazing. I loved playing it, the graphics were really good, and they chose a pretty good variety of heroes, though I wish they had more playable villains in it.

[Porkins]

I recently got UA 2 for Wii. I played through the first one on PC and really enjoyed it.

I agree that the point spending thing is kinda weird. On the Wii version (maybe others too??) you can play four players simultaneously, so I've been playing it with my three oldest kids. So that's fun.

[Swamper]

I've played Alliance 1, but I heard Alliance 2 was nowhere near as good.

[Porkins]

Hmm...I'm not far enough into the 2nd game yet to make that call.

[LordEsenwienIV]

I liked Ultimate Alliance 2 but then after a while it started getting repetitive because my team was always:


Storm
Songbird
Spiderman
IcemanBecause I found this the best team. Then I couldn't get Hulk, Thor and Jean because the game wouldn't allow me to do those extra missions. After I beat the game I have only played it 3 times because I dislike the game now.

[Xn F M]

I can't tell the difference between any of the guys on the screen (because they're all rendered in a sort of washed-out, "realistic" manner), and you can redistribute your powers with no penalty over the course of the game. Why bother with giving you the ability to build your character and make choices as to what abilities you want to give him if you can just change them all willy-nilly?

The combos are cool. But other than that (and Iron Fist) there's nothing I really like about that game. Though I do know a bunch of other people who love it.

While the Ultimate Alliance games aren't perfect, my friend and I had a blast with both of them. Okay, we never finished #2, but we still loved it. We played the Fan 4, and yeah it was hard to tell Reed (Me) and Johnny (My friend) apart a lot, but it was still worth playing with a friend!

Actually, my bigger issue was telling my allies apart from the enemies. The colors just aren't vibrant enough to stand out. Look at either of the X-Men Legends games, the heroes and important enemies are brighter and more colorful than the regular enemies so that you can see them. I haven't had good vision since I was eight years old and when there's battle commencing most of the characters start to look alike.

[Hahma]

I've played Ultimate Alliance 1 and 2 a lot with my 8 year-old daughters and they love both of them. I enjoy them both as well. I understand some peoples issues with UA 2 as to sometimes finding it hard to know where you are during a big fight and the distributing of power points, but those aren't that big of a deal for me compared to the fun of the game otherwise. Though for me, it's just a blast playing the game with my daughters and hearing their commentary. We've played it through many times and have had Hulk, Thor, Jean Grey in there as well.

[tcglkn]

The figure used for this unit is a Heroclix figure from the Giant Sized X-Men set.
Its model number and name are #001 / Madrox or #100 / Jamie Madrox.

Troll and Toad has this figure for 99 cents with about 60 remaining if you want some Multiple Men.

[Margloth]

Finally went and saw Green Lantern. I enjoyed it a lot, especially Ryan Reynolds (which I was not really expecting). Mark Strong was good as well. I can't comment on theme too much, as I don't really know the source material very well.

I was surprised at the lack of action setpieces, however; also the briefness of the final showdown. Still quite enjoyable though and I'll be looking forward to the next.

[Griffin]

Yeah, I believe that this franchise will likely get better as it goes.

[Longy418]

Here is a problem that I've been having and somebody that is more computer literate than me might be able to help; when I have been trying to print out some cards the MOVE wording is half white- half black and the move, range, attack, defense, height #'s, and identity are completely blank. This doesn't happen with every card I try. Other than Bucky I have printed out all the cards previously without a problem (I got my brother updated with the cards he didn't have). We did have someone install a new hard drive a few months ago, but I didn't have a problem until printing anything until last week, although I am not certain how many cards I have printed since then outside of Giant Man and the Criminals. I would certainly appreciate any thoughts on this.

[A3n]

Sorry longy I haven't come across that before so I couldn't even guess what the issue is. Have you tried on a different printer or computer?

[Griffin]

I definitely haven't had any problems like that. :confused:

[tcglkn]

What PDF reader are you using?

[Longy418]

Adobe X. I just tried re-downloading it and printing Madhatter to no avail. But when I do open the various PDF's it is taking unusually long and it takes quite a while for the whole process after I hit the print button. I think either my computer is having a hard time reading the PDF or sending the information to the printer.

[davidlhsl]

Adobe X. I just tried re-downloading it and printing Madhatter to no avail. But when I do open the various PDF's it is taking unusually long and it takes quite a while for the whole process after I hit the print button. I think either my computer is having a hard time reading the PDF or sending the information to the printer.

Are you running a Mac with Leopard (10.5) or earlier? I've had similar issues with my MacBook Pro ( 10.5.8 ), and I have to print from a Win7 laptop I have. If I didn't have that, I would've just grabbed the jpeg files and print from those.

[lefton4ya]

I was going to start a new thread on this, but I will explain later why One of you should:

I really enjoy C3G but when getting new people to play (whether new to just C3G or new to heroscape in general) it would be nice if I had a list of pre-set armies that I either people could pick, we could just roll of a D20 for, or we could do an army auction draft (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=31175) like killercactus does at his birthday bashes (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=28045). I really like Mmirg's Mini-Mighties: Quick, Pre-Fab Armies (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=30336) in addition to the amries we had set up for KC's last bday bash, which had synergistic or just themed armies that were all somewhat competitive.

I was wondering of someone can come up with 20 or more armies using C3G and official marvel figs that have either express synergies or just go well together both in theme and gameplay and not use any card in more than one army! You can have multiple lists broken down by 3 different pointlevels like Mmirg's list. I don't know which 3 pointlevels to pick, but choose 3 levels that are spread out such as 1000, 1500, and 2000 so you can have quick, medium, or epic games. Make sure that there is a good spread so that the armies are relatively competitive with each other and one army is not loaded with A+ characters and another with the duds, and you may even have some leeway in point totals for each army to make up for this. It would also be great if each army is either all "Good" or all "Evil" and about 1/2 the armies are each. I suggest using C3G Factions/Groupings (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=32113) and C3G Visual Synergy Charts (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=31966) to help. Obviously, I could just split each C3G master set and wave into good and evil armies and have almost 2 even armies per set/wave, but there are a few reasons why this wouldn't be the best way:

Some of the later released figures work best with previous sets.
Some of the waves are heavily weighted to either heroes or villians.
The sets and waves are not all the same point values.
Official marvel needs to be thrown in the mix.


Someone who has the time and effort to devote to this should create a new thread for which the first post or two would contain a constantly evolving list of armies. Obviously anyone (not just C3G members) could chime in one what armies to suggest, but the thread creator would be responsible to keep everyone in check and maintain the "master list". You could make it very informal or formalize it with by-laws, members, voting, etc. This would be a valuable resource for people getting into C3G as making armies is hard to jump into, and I even think this could be used in informal tournaments such as an army auction draft where one person can provide all the C3G armies pre-fabbed. It is not that everyone has to use the specific armies that are created from this, but it is a good starting point. I figured I would use this thread here because the first thing that needs discussing is who is going to maintain the thread, then everything else can be discussed once an initial thread is created.

[A3n]

I have actually been wanting to make some cards up that have the pre-set armies. So you can get dealt a card at random & have an army already picked.

Tcglkn has provided some lists for me to start with (somewhere ;)) so I just want to get around to it.

Cheers

[davidlhsl]

lefton4ya, it's not exactly what you're requesting, but you might find Odin's Challenge Scenario (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=32312&highlight=Odin%27s) interesting. Those are in the 600 point range and fewer figures. You'd still have to come up with more armies, but the scenario looks as if it would be a real blast if you get a bunch of players together.

If I had several people, this is what I'd use. Unfortunately, I have no fweeends! :cry:

If you show up at my pity party, you'll have to bring your own beer. :p

[Scapemage]

I have actually been wanting to make some cards up that have the pre-set armies. So you can get dealt a card at random & have an army already picked.

Tcglkn has provided some lists for me to start with (somewhere ;)) so I just want to get around to it.

Cheers
That sounds cool. I would have a problem though finding enough cards with figures I have. I have probably about 2/3, if even, of the C3G units.

[A3n]

Super Hero draft cards (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=36882)

[IAmBatman]

I'm in need of a picture! :-) Does anyone have this figure?

The figure used for this unit is a Heroclix figure from the Legacy set.
Its model number and name are #083 / Oracle.

[johnny139]

Alright, this is one gameplay question I've always had - for movement powers like Martian Manhunter's and Cyclops', where you can choose a figure to "move," what powers trigger there? Can they use Flying? Carry? Can they replace that movement with a special movement power like Stealth Leap?

I've always played it as "passive" powers like Flying and Slither are active, while ones that require a trigger aren't. Is that right?

[Margloth]

I believe you've got it right...

I also think they can't use powers like Ventriloquist's move bonus, because it's a 'set' move number.

[Griffin]

Alright, this is one gameplay question I've always had - for movement powers like Martian Manhunter's and Cyclops', where you can choose a figure to "move," what powers trigger there? Can they use Flying? Carry? Can they replace that movement with a special movement power like Stealth Leap?

I've always played it as "passive" powers like Flying and Slither are active, while ones that require a trigger aren't. Is that right?
You are 100% right here. The FAQ booklet from Hasbro also supports this with powers like Jandar's Dispatch working with Sentinels of Jandar's Flying.

[A3n]

I watched Transformers 3 on Thursday & Green Lantern last night. Loved them both. I think T3 was better than the first 2 but need the build up that the first 2 movies provided. Was there a sneak preview after the movie? The cinema lights didn't come on properly at the credits which normal means there is but I was holding on to a p!ss for the last hour & a half so when the credits rolled I had to get out of there.

Green Lantern was a great introductory story & well played out. After the very first statement of the movie I thought "here we go they've screwed with the facts again" but the way they wrote the movie about which light was the strongest was actually perfect.

[Scapemage]

I still need to see Transformers 3. It should be good, but I haven't seen a lot of previews.

Lately I've been running through Batman Arkham Asylum. The game has an excellent feel to it. No levels, you actually have to figure stuff out. The fighting is dynamic too. I can't wait for Arkham City this fall.

[Griffin]

Yuck. Transformers are just mindless action and explosions without any real compelling story line or drama. :down: :down:

[IAmBatman]

:word: Plus my wife keeps saying the girl they got to replace Meghan Fox looks like a robot. Maybe she's a Decepticon?

[Scapemage]

:word: Plus my wife keeps saying the girl they got to replace Meghan Fox looks like a robot. Maybe she's a Decepticon?
I think they are really cool action movies. But I'm not as excited about this movie because of various things.

[IAmBatman]

I thought the first one was watchable because there were a lot of funny one-liners. The second, I didn't bother, and I heard only horrible things.

[Scapemage]

I thought the first one was watchable because there were a lot of funny one-liners. The second, I didn't bother, and I heard only horrible things.
There's 2 small robot "brothers" in the second one that are pretty dang funny IMO.

[IAmBatman]

Heh. I plead age gap on that one. Your sense of humor is not mine, my friend. :-)

[Scapemage]

Heh. I plead age gap on that one. Your sense of humor is not mine, my friend. :-)
I understand some adult humor. I'm not sure if the adults understand some of my age group's humor though.

[Griffin]

I grew up with Transformers..... when I was 4.

Again, I grew up with Transformers..... when I was 4. :lol:

Even the concept of "autobots" from space that disguise themselves as cars is a complete bore to me, and honestly, a bit of a joke. :p

[Scapemage]

I grew up with Transformers..... when I was 4.

Again, I grew up with Transformers..... when I was 4. :lol:

Even the concept of "autobots" from space that disguise themselves as cars is a complete bore to me, and honestly, a bit of a joke. :p
As did I...but Transformers animated cartoons DO NOT EVEN COMPARE to the movies. The movies are so much better.

[IAmBatman]

It's not so much understanding the humor as outgrowing it. :-P Sometimes when you understand things too well, they're just not funny anymore.

[All Your Pie]

I actually don't like the Transformers movies for basically the same reason Griff doesn't. They're trying to turn a corny kid's toy from the eighties or something into a serious action movie. They added explosions and romance, but the underlying concept is still rather silly, and it just doesn't work for me. I saw the first movie and found the humor to be terribly cliche, also. No desire to see any others.

Also, probably the only time Griff and I will ever agree. :lol:

[IAmBatman]

Other than the occasional crackpot moment (like his thoughts on the US tax system), Griff usually is a pretty reasonable and well thought out guy. :-P

[Griffin]

I agree. :D

We don't need ANY MOTHER F-ING TAXES to live in peace and happiness. For people to think that they need to be taxed to be free shows how well brainwashed they are. :p

[Scapemage]

I actually don't like the Transformers movies for basically the same reason Griff doesn't. They're trying to turn a corny kid's toy from the eighties or something into a serious action movie. They added explosions and romance, but the underlying concept is still rather silly, and it just doesn't work for me. I saw the first movie and found the humor to be terribly cliche, also. No desire to see any others.

Also, probably the only time Griff and I will ever agree. :lol:
You have to not even think it's the same as the TV show. Just think that they are an independant movie series and you can enjoy them.

[All Your Pie]

I actually don't like the Transformers movies for basically the same reason Griff doesn't. They're trying to turn a corny kid's toy from the eighties or something into a serious action movie. They added explosions and romance, but the underlying concept is still rather silly, and it just doesn't work for me. I saw the first movie and found the humor to be terribly cliche, also. No desire to see any others.

Also, probably the only time Griff and I will ever agree. :lol:
You have to not even think it's the same as the TV show. Just think that they are an independant movie series and you can enjoy them.
I've never seen the TV show. I just think robots from outer space that transform into vehicles is a corny concept and it's an absurd one to see in an action movie.

Although I usually don't like pure action movies in general, so maybe that's it. >_>

[quozl]

We don't need ANY MOTHER F-ING TAXES to live in peace and happiness. For people to think that they need to be taxed to be free shows how well brainwashed they are. :p

True.

[Margloth]

The first Transformers was pretty good as mindless fun. The 2nd was terrible. I've heard good things about the 3rd, but honestly probably won't see it unless I'm bored and can't find anything else to rent.

I'd be willing to pay more taxes....

....provided it would actually go toward reducing the national debt and spending would be cut. I'm less upset about higher taxes in an of themselves, and more upset about the fact that we seem to want to run our country as a communal money pool.

[quozl]

We don't need a government or even a country to live well.

Oh yeah, and Transformers sucks.

[IAmBatman]

Yeah, I have plenty of complaints about how taxes are spent, but not about the tax system itself.
It has nothing to do with freedom - each of us has the freedom to not be taxed any longer, given that we're willing to give up all the other aspects of U.S. citizenship, such as having the use of paved and maintained roads, oversight on what drugs and foods are allowed into the marketplace, protective measures for our environment, the busting of monopolies to keep prices fair, free police and fire services, free public education through high school, and a standing army to protect our borders.
The reason we have taxes is because there are public services worth having that would be corrupted and destroyed if a profit model were applied to them. If you don't believe me, you should read a great sci-fi novel called Jennifer Government (http://www.amazon.com/Jennifer-Government-Max-Barry/dp/1400030927/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1310225795&sr=8-1).

[quozl]

If you don't believe me, you should read a great sci-fi novel called Jennifer Government (http://www.amazon.com/Jennifer-Government-Max-Barry/dp/1400030927/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1310225795&sr=8-1).

That is an awesome book. I recommended it to Griff when we talked on the phone.

[IAmBatman]

Yeah, I really like it, and it really reminds me why I'm glad we have a Government that isn't run on the commercial system.

[Griffin]

People are meant to live freely without a King and without a government on the take. All we need are judges to settle civil issues, the rest of the issues like roads, food, drugs, etc will be handled by the citizens who want to work to help their community in conjunction with the Judges that authorize said work. It used to be that way and it worked just fine.


The reason we have taxes is because there are public services worth having that would be corrupted and destroyed if a profit model were applied to them.

Bats, you don't honestly believe that the "public services" that currently exist are free from corruption do you? - Police, Court, the White House, Public Schools, etc. Anytime where there are "people" corruption will occur, but as it is, the rest of the country cannot control its own government... that is a HUGE problem.

[Margloth]

I hear you, Bats. I consider it my patriotic duty to pay taxes... I'm glad to do it for the benefit of living in the greatest country on earth (sorry, non-USA-ers, but it was just July 4th :D ).

But the government doesn't have to provide every service, and certainly not in a bad economy. I think we Americans are very spoiled and need to learn to live within our means.

[Griffin]

I hear you, Bats. I consider it my patriotic duty to pay taxes... I'm glad to do it for the benefit of living in the greatest country on earth (sorry, non-USA-ers, but it was just July 4th :D ).

But the government doesn't have to provide every service, and certainly not in a bad economy. I think we Americans are very spoiled and need to learn to live within our means.
At what point in time did it become patriotic for Americans to pay taxes? Have you ever read the Declaration of Independence?

[Griffin]

Oh, and very few people actually "pay" taxes. The government takes your money.

Those who do have to actually pay (me included), if you refuse, the government goes into your private bank accounts and takes your money. Oh, and if you don't have enough money, they send men with guns to your home and take your house, car, etc, or they put you in jail until you pay.... God Bless America right? no

"Land of the free" whoever told you that was your enemy ~ Rage Against the Machine

[IAmBatman]

Why do you even need money, though? It's just another part of an organized governmental system you want nothing to do with. The best way to avoid taxes? Don't make any money. :-)

[All Your Pie]

Without taxes or any form of public institution, regulation, ect, then everyone would just be controlled by corporate buisiness owners who inherit companies from their rich fathers. At least with our Government, you have some degree of choice over who's in power. With no regulations on buisiness, companies could just hike up prices on water, electricity, housing, and so on, while non-profitable avenues of buisiness like infrastructure would just be ignored. Personally, I'd rather pay taxes.

[IAmBatman]

Or we could just get rid of money completely and go back to a system where whoever has the most buddies with weapons and clubs the other guys the hardest gets to live on the land and eat all the food. :-D I have a 401k, though, and can't bench press my own weight, so I'm happy sticking with our current system.

[Griffin]

Without taxes or any form of public institution, regulation, ect, then everyone would just be controlled by corporate buisiness owners who inherit companies from their rich fathers. At least with our Government, you have some degree of choice over who's in power. With no regulations on buisiness, companies could just hike up prices on water, electricity, housing, and so on, while non-profitable avenues of buisiness like infrastructure would just be ignored. Personally, I'd rather pay taxes.
:bs: The people control tyrant business like that. All the people have to do is NOT buy their crap and then the business goes under. The Goverment here forces us to buy their crap - welfare (especially meant for poor immigrants who are often illegal and citizens who often refuse to work) , universal health care (soon), Public education, abortion clinic funding (even paying for it in other countries now thanks to President Obamanation), etc.

Oh, and the more money you make, the more they tax you percentage wise.... well that is great incentive for Americans to try and prosper.... "let's just penalize people even more for working hard and being successful, that's the good old American way". :roll:

Give me my money back (taxes) and let me spend it the way I want to, in true Freedom.

[IAmBatman]

We live in a country where Krocs, Snuggies, Taco Bell, and Britney Spears are multi-million dollar products. Do I trust people to not buy things that I think we shouldn't have to the extent that I'd want to see the government run that way? Heeeeeeell no.
Heck, in that system, half our country would be strung out on meth all the time.

[Griffin]

We live in a country where Krocs, Snuggies, Taco Bell, and Britney Spears are multi-million dollar products. Do I trust people to not buy things that I think we shouldn't have to the extent that I'd want to see the government run that way? Heeeeeeell no.
Heck, in that system, half our country would be strung out on meth all the time.
If you don't trust people to be free, then you should move to another country instead of voting to make this one more socialist.

[IAmBatman]

Why? I have the free right to vote for as many socialist policies as I want to. If you want to live in a country with no government, you should build a boat and go sail in International waters.

[Swamper]

Watching the trailer for the Captain America game! I hope it does not suck.

[Griffin]

Why? I have the free right to vote for as many socialist policies as I want to. If you want to live in a country with no government, you should build a boat and go sail in International waters.
And that is the problem. People think this is a democracy where you can vote to do whatever, and our politicians let us continue believing that lie, but it isn't. This is a Republic with a Constitution, and we are not supposed to be able to vote in laws that break the laws of the Constitution.

[IAmBatman]

So Amendments are out, then? :lol: Crap, there goes Freedom of Speech!

[Griffin]

Watching the trailer for the Captain America game! I hope it does not suck.
I know I am just sounding negative here, but don't get your hopes up. Pretty much the rule of thumb for all video games based on movies is that they will certainly suck. They are just meant to cash in on the title.

[Griffin]

So Amendments are out, then? :lol: Crap, there goes Freedom of Speech!
I'm sorry, what law of the Constitution did the 1st amendment break? Are you hearing yourself?

[All Your Pie]

It seems to me like the people should be able to vote in whatever they want to, Constitution be damned. It's government by the people, for the people, right?

[IAmBatman]

So Amendments are out, then? :lol: Crap, there goes Freedom of Speech!
I'm sorry, what law of the Constitution did the 1st amendment break? Are you hearing yourself?

It didn't break it, it amended it - my point is that we have the right to amend the constitution however we want to, because it is a living document. That's the beauty of our democratic system - the majority can vote to alter the structure of the government over time to best serve its people.
The funny part is that you're so eager to see people support systems with their dollars, but you don't trust people to support systems with their votes. The only difference is that in the voting system, everyone has equal say - the rich don't prevail over the poor. If the majority wanted a system free of taxes, we'd be able to vote it. But how popular is the US Taxpayer party right now? They're not - because the majority recognizes them as crackpots. :-P
Put that freedom in your pipe and smoke it.

[Hahma]

People are meant to live freely without a King and without a government on the take. All we need are judges to settle civil issues, the rest of the issues like roads, food, drugs, etc will be handled by the citizens who want to work to help their community in conjunction with the Judges that authorize said work. It used to be that way and it worked just fine.


The reason we have taxes is because there are public services worth having that would be corrupted and destroyed if a profit model were applied to them.

Bats, you don't honestly believe that the "public services" that currently exist are free from corruption do you? - Police, Court, the White House, Public Schools, etc. Anytime where there are "people" corruption will occur, but as it is, the rest of the country cannot control its own government... that is a HUGE problem.


So in people's free time, when they aren't working their normal jobs, they are going to work on roads and make sure food and drugs are safe for their community's consumption? Even if people are so inclined to do such work, who's paying for the raw materials and equipment to build things? Can I for example volunteer to help my community by deciding the safety standards of air travel? My snark is only because you presented a "fact" of that there was a time when only Judges were needed an the free people did everything else and that it worked just fine. You never gave in time or place where this actually happened and for how long this utopia lasted nor how it could apply in the world of today where a lot has changed over the last 100 years.


To your other point I agree that "people" are the problem with corruption. I'll add the corporate world, private sector and religion as other agencies capable of being full of corruption and selfish misdeeds. So how do you propose the country controls it's government? There are a boatload of people in this country and a lot of them have different ideas of how things should work. I mean I'll certainly agree that there's a lot of waste in government use of tax revenue and would certainly like to have things a bit more streamlined and efficient, but I'd like to know how exactly would the country be run without paying taxes.

[IAmBatman]

:word: While I agree that the government we live in is absolutely far from perfect and has a myriad of problems, the proposed solution of a tax-free society would absolutely make things worse, not better.
Our founding fathers opposed the concept of taxation without representation and managed to expel it from our nation. They never oppose taxation itself.

[Swamper]

Watching the trailer for the Captain America game! I hope it does not suck.
I know I am just sounding negative here, but don't get your hopes up. Pretty much the rule of thumb for all video games based on movies is that they will certainly suck. They are just meant to cash in on the title.

I know, it really stinks. Why are good Superhero videogames so hard to come by? The Cap game looked pretty cool; they didn't show the actual playing though, just a cut scene.

[Matt Helm]

What Griff fails to acknowledge is that people need structure. If we do not have a government (taxes, corruption and all) to establish that structure, than people lean on religion for that structure.

I don't know about you guys but I'll take more government over more religion any day. Both are filled with corruption, lies and manipulation (because basically, anytime you keep adding more and more people to any social group those things will just arise) but there is at least one major difference. In government, you have the opportunity to argue against the rules and hopefully persuade a change. Religion on the other hand is set on ancient fear driven mythologies and fostered by blind faith engrained on each individual from childhood.

No thanks, I'll pay my taxes to my governments (local, state, and federal) and then vote, debate, argue and strive to have them each take care of the aspects of society that I think they should, and to stay out of the areas that I think they should not be in.

If somebody could convince me that a country could be run by a third alternative other than government or religion than I'm all ears. Of course we could give Griff a military force and allow him to take over as a dictator.... I'm sure we'd all understand true happiness then.

[IAmBatman]

There's the fourth choice of anarchy ... which I'm sure would eventually evolve into never ending tribal warfare ... but then I'm sure some wacko would want to alter that idealistic society into some sort of tax based government. :-P

[Griffin]

People are meant to live freely without a King and without a government on the take. All we need are judges to settle civil issues, the rest of the issues like roads, food, drugs, etc will be handled by the citizens who want to work to help their community in conjunction with the Judges that authorize said work. It used to be that way and it worked just fine.


The reason we have taxes is because there are public services worth having that would be corrupted and destroyed if a profit model were applied to them.

Bats, you don't honestly believe that the "public services" that currently exist are free from corruption do you? - Police, Court, the White House, Public Schools, etc. Anytime where there are "people" corruption will occur, but as it is, the rest of the country cannot control its own government... that is a HUGE problem.


So in people's free time, when they aren't working their normal jobs, they are going to work on roads and make sure food and drugs are safe for their community's consumption? Even if people are so inclined to do such work, who's paying for the raw materials and equipment to build things? Can I for example volunteer to help my community by deciding the safety standards of air travel? My snark is only because you presented a "fact" of that there was a time when only Judges were needed an the free people did everything else and that it worked just fine. You never gave in time or place where this actually happened and for how long this utopia lasted nor how it could apply in the world of today where a lot has changed over the last 100 years.


To your other point I agree that "people" are the problem with corruption. I'll add the corporate world, private sector and religion as other agencies capable of being full of corruption and selfish misdeeds. So how do you propose the country controls it's government? There are a boatload of people in this country and a lot of them have different ideas of how things should work. I mean I'll certainly agree that there's a lot of waste in government use of tax revenue and would certainly like to have things a bit more streamlined and efficient, but I'd like to know how exactly would the country be run without paying taxes.

When my city was devastated by hurricane Fran and Gov couldn't handle all the disaster relief, the men and women in my city delivered food, water, and gas to those in need and we all spent the first 5 days working non-stop together in clearing our roads.

When the street that grew up on had holes in the road and the gov. failed to fix it, we started patching it with our own labor and supplies

When huricane Katrina devasted New Orleans, many free people devoted their time and money in rebuilding homes and roads.

When a my mother left my dad with just me to take care and took everything that he had except for a couple of blankets, some local church goers heard about it and showed up with groceries and furniture for us.

When I was a kid my Karate School bought a bunch of tree saplings and we spent an entire saturday at a forest that had caught fire just planting trees that have now grown to a good size.

I think you may have grossly underestimated the American spirit of brotherhood and love.
I actually do have a well thought out plan on how to reshape the leadership of this country with the constitution as a general guide, but it would be far too much for me to type today, but the biggest idea is to maintain a Federalized Military and Foreign Diplomats that is governed by elected state governors, and keep all other legal issues on the state level.

[Griffin]

Of course we could give Griff a military force and allow him to take over as a dictator.... I'm sure we'd all understand true happiness then.
A lot of you would be quarantined to a country or state and then disowned, or forced to fight to the death. :twisted:

[IAmBatman]

How would we pay for the federalized military, though? Oh ... I know, maybe each citizen could give a certain percentage of what their own income to pay those who are in the federalized military and that percentage could be based on what those individual citizens earn and, for convenience, could be deducted straight from their paychecks ... wait, oh crap! :-P

[Matt Helm]

Of course we could give Griff a military force and allow him to take over as a dictator.... I'm sure we'd all understand true happiness then.
A lot of you would be quarantined to a country or state and then disowned, or forced to fight to the death. :twisted:

Oh please banish me to the State of Confusion because that's where I think I'll feel the most comfortable.

[Griffin]

How would we pay for the federalized military, though? Oh ... I know, maybe each citizen could give a certain percentage of what their own income to pay those who are in the federalized military and that percentage could be based on what those individual citizens earn and, for convenience, could be deducted straight from their paychecks ... wait, oh crap! :-P
States would willingly support their military in a free society - heck, plenty of people do right now. Again, you seem to have opinions based on the idea that people are not naturally willing to give when there is no one taking from them.

[Griffin]

Oh, and if people are not smart enough to support their military enough to survive outside attacks, those people deserve to die. Survival of the fittest.

[Matt Helm]

How would we pay for the federalized military, though? Oh ... I know, maybe each citizen could give a certain percentage of what their own income to pay those who are in the federalized military and that percentage could be based on what those individual citizens earn and, for convenience, could be deducted straight from their paychecks ... wait, oh crap! :-P

Silly Bats, people are generally a generous lot and the entire federal military program can be funded by charitable donations.

But now that the local states are empowered with all the other aspects of government (which I don't disagree with having more decisions being made at the state level, especially when it comes to my personal rights), how the heck are we going to pay for them? We could now eliminate the high Federal tax and then just raise the state income taxes... wait a minute, let me do my math.... did I save the American family any money yet?

[Griffin]

How would we pay for the federalized military, though? Oh ... I know, maybe each citizen could give a certain percentage of what their own income to pay those who are in the federalized military and that percentage could be based on what those individual citizens earn and, for convenience, could be deducted straight from their paychecks ... wait, oh crap! :-P

Silly Bats, people are generally a generous lot and the entire federal military program can be funded by charitable donations.

But now that the local states are empowered with all the other aspects of government (which I don't disagree with having more decisions being made at the state level, especially when it comes to my personal rights), how the heck are we going to pay for them? We could now eliminate the high Federal tax and then just raise the state income taxes... wait a minute, let me do my math.... did I save the American family any money yet?

It isn't really an issue of "generosity" though to be fair, it is about survival. If you were able to keep all of your money, would you not support the men at arms protecting your freedom? Think.
Why does the state or feds need to be responsible for all that the Fed are currently responsible for? They don't. Elected NONPAID officials can make decisions that are beneficial to them and their community's rights without needing a dime of tax.

[Hahma]

People are meant to live freely without a King and without a government on the take. All we need are judges to settle civil issues, the rest of the issues like roads, food, drugs, etc will be handled by the citizens who want to work to help their community in conjunction with the Judges that authorize said work. It used to be that way and it worked just fine.


The reason we have taxes is because there are public services worth having that would be corrupted and destroyed if a profit model were applied to them.

Bats, you don't honestly believe that the "public services" that currently exist are free from corruption do you? - Police, Court, the White House, Public Schools, etc. Anytime where there are "people" corruption will occur, but as it is, the rest of the country cannot control its own government... that is a HUGE problem.


So in people's free time, when they aren't working their normal jobs, they are going to work on roads and make sure food and drugs are safe for their community's consumption? Even if people are so inclined to do such work, who's paying for the raw materials and equipment to build things? Can I for example volunteer to help my community by deciding the safety standards of air travel? My snark is only because you presented a "fact" of that there was a time when only Judges were needed an the free people did everything else and that it worked just fine. You never gave in time or place where this actually happened and for how long this utopia lasted nor how it could apply in the world of today where a lot has changed over the last 100 years.


To your other point I agree that "people" are the problem with corruption. I'll add the corporate world, private sector and religion as other agencies capable of being full of corruption and selfish misdeeds. So how do you propose the country controls it's government? There are a boatload of people in this country and a lot of them have different ideas of how things should work. I mean I'll certainly agree that there's a lot of waste in government use of tax revenue and would certainly like to have things a bit more streamlined and efficient, but I'd like to know how exactly would the country be run without paying taxes.
When my city was devastated by hurricane Fran and Gov couldn't handle all the disaster relief, the men and women in my city delivered food, water, and gas to those in need and we all spent the first 5 days working non-stop together in clearing our roads.

When the street that grew up on had holes in the road and the gov. failed to fix it, we started patching it with our own labor and supplies

When huricane Katrina devasted New Orleans, many free people devoted their time and money in rebuilding homes and roads.

When a my mother left my dad with just me to take care and took everything that he had except for a couple of blankets, some local church goers heard about it and showed up with groceries and furniture for us.

When I was a kid my Karate School bought a bunch of tree saplings and we spent an entire saturday at a forest that had caught fire just planting trees that have now grown to a good size.

I think you may have grossly underestimated the American spirit of brotherhood and love.
I actually do have a well thought out plan on how to reshape the leadership of this country with the constitution as a general guide, but it would be far too much for me to type today, but the biggest idea is to maintain a Federalized Military and Foreign Diplomats that is governed by elected state governors, and keep all other legal issues on the state level.

That's all great Griff and very commendable, but that's kind of the norm with disasters. People help each other and the community becomes closer. But I'm thinking that's a pretty short-term (relatively speaking) situation. The average person isn't going to make community service a regular part of their life for their whole life. Some can and will, but most people aren't likely to IMO. Also, while people can take some things in their own hands, the average person isn't going to be rebuilding bridges, levees, etc.

Regarding your plan for Federalized Military and Foreign Diplomats. Who's going to direct the Federal Military, who's going to tell them where to go, when to get involved and how long to stay? Who's going to set a policy for the Foreign Diplomats to follow and when things change overnight in certain regions, who's going to answer for the U.S.?

[Griffin]

Believe it or not Hahma, I do have answers and a plan for all of those questions directed at the military issue. Most of it is simple, though some is a bit complicated. I just don't want to try and explain it all right now.

[Swamper]

I doubt that the majority of the people would be smart enough to realize that unless they supported the military, they would get bombed. They'd probably spend all of their money on a new car or something.

I mean, (down here, at least) if it wasnt for Social Security half the people in my town would be homeless. People aren't smart enough to look to the long term. All they can think about is that new car, or house, or whatever.

Sure, I don't like paying taxes, especially if they are used irresponsibly, or for stupid things. But it has to be done to keep the government afloat.

[quozl]

You guys do know that this country survived without a national income tax for about 100 years, right?

Oh, and instituting a national income tax required an amendment to the Constitution.

[All Your Pie]

It survived without equal rights for Women and African Americans for quite some time, too. What's your point?

Times change. Back then the U.S. could function easily without public transportation and paved roads. But as we grew as a nation, we realized that it was a necassary addition.

[Griffin]

It survived without equal rights for Women and African Americans for quite some time, too. What's your point?

Times change. Back then the U.S. could function easily without public transportation and paved roads. But as we grew as a nation, we realized that it was a necassary addition.
His point is that the country didn't need those taxes to survive. We also don't need women voting to survive or Africans to survive sure, but his point is still valid.

[All Your Pie]

Okay, but my point is, how does that apply to the present day?

[Griffin]

Okay, but my point is, how does that apply to the present day?
I think it applies to the present conversation as a lot of comments seem to imply that we could not function appropriately without taxes.

[Margloth]

Not trolling here Griff, just asking for clarification:

When you refer to taxes, are you referring to all taxes or just federal taxes?

[All Your Pie]

Okay, but my point is, how does that apply to the present day?
I think it applies to the present conversation as a lot of comments seem to imply that we could not function appropriately without taxes.
It's not a matter of could we function without taxes, it's a matter of can we function without taxes. At any rate, I'm pretty sure off the top of my head that even without a federal income tax there was still taxation back then. A time when the U.S. functioned entirely without taxes either doesn't exist or is too far back to be relevant, as far as I'm aware. I could be wrong there, though, I'm no historian.

[Hahma]

You guys do know that this country survived without a national income tax for about 100 years, right?

Oh, and instituting a national income tax required an amendment to the Constitution.

Sure we survived without national income tax way back when. A lot was different back then. Most of us would have been busting our asses just to survive back then and the life expectancy was way lower than it is now, as well as the quality of life for many people living here. A lot of people got rich at the expense of other people's lives because they could back then.

Do you believe that America was a better place to live for the vast majority of people that lived here back then because they didn't pay national income tax than it is now?

[Margloth]

You guys do know that this country survived without a national income tax for about 100 years, right?

Oh, and instituting a national income tax required an amendment to the Constitution.

Sure we survived without national income tax way back when. A lot was different back then. Most of us would have been busting our asses just to survive back then and the life expectancy was way lower than it is now, as well as the quality of life for many people living here. A lot of people got rich at the expense of other people's lives because they could back then.

Do you believe that America was a better place to live for the vast majority of people that lived here back then because they didn't pay national income tax than it is now?
Yeah, I'm not sure if with all the specialization that comes with modern life, that we could keep our place in the world without some sort of national tax. I'm in favor of reforming the tax code, not eliminating it (or at least replacing it).

[Longy418]

No wonder the C3G puts out such great customs, I am entertained listening to your political debates when mine our already firmly planted. You guys are awesome.

[johnny139]

I'd love to leap in with my socialist rhetoric of the many over the few and the need of societal survival over that of the individual and his or her freedoms, but I don't think we need to veer that far. :lol:

Taxes are fine. Honestly, mankind is like a baby - can a baby be trusted to its own devices? No. It's soft and weak and will probably stick its finger in an electrical socket. There needs to be some form of structure to keep it in line. Whether that's just a nursery to stay in or a full-on babysitter, well, that's up to the individual notion, but there needs to be some form of structure.

I love humanity. I believe humans are naturally good people who would prefer not to do bad things. But humans are also naturally selfish, suspicious, and pretty dang stupid.

[Margloth]

No wonder the C3G puts out such great customs, I am entertained listening to your political debates when mine our already firmly planted. You guys are awesome.
The best part of it is you can have two guys like Griff and IAmBatsman who seem to entirely disagree, and fight over stuff like this (what they believe is right), but who have nothing but respect and admiration for each other and are really great friends.

That's what I like about Heroscapers (and especially C3G).

[Griffin]

No wonder the C3G puts out such great customs, I am entertained listening to your political debates when mine our already firmly planted. You guys are awesome.
The best part of it is you can have two guys like Griff and IAmBatsman who seem to entirely disagree, and fight over stuff like this (what they believe is right), but who have nothing but respect and admiration for each other and are really great friends.

That's what I like about Heroscapers (and especially C3G).
Yeah, I love my tree hugging, pacifist, liberal buddy. I mean, GOD had to send someone down to protect his scrawny @$$. :lol:

[Lord Pyre]

I hate politics, I just live my own life and do the right things to the best of my ability. No government is perfect, and no matter who runs the country, not everyone will be happy.

~~Pyre, practicing newly learned hapkido moves and contemplating life philosophically.

[Margloth]

Your post is made all the more awesome by your Avatar.

He just needs a black Fedora and sunglasses and be saying, "I'm on a mission from God."

[Longy418]

No wonder the C3G puts out such great customs, I am entertained listening to your political debates when mine our already firmly planted. You guys are awesome.
The best part of it is you can have two guys like Griff and IAmBatsman who seem to entirely disagree, and fight over stuff like this (what they believe is right), but who have nothing but respect and admiration for each other and are really great friends.

That's what I like about Heroscapers (and especially C3G).
Yeah, I love my tree hugging, pacifist, liberal buddy. I mean, GOD had to send someone down to protect his scrawny @$$. :lol:

[Longy418]

That is too funny funny, but without that tree hugging, pacifist, liberal buddy people would still be hunting whatever they could to feed themselves and beating on drums in hopes the spirits help them.

[Griffin]

That is too funny funny, but without that tree hugging, pacifist, liberal buddy people would still be hunting whatever they could to feed themselves and beating on drums in hopes the spirits help them.
:lol: I would love to hear you explain the logic behind that one.

I believe that GOD makes each person uniquely different for a unique and specific purpose. We need warriors, teachers, engineers, etc. But I don't understand your comment.

[Longy418]

It is referring to the survival of the fittest ideology that was referenced earlier, but to truly advance it takes more than just those that are the strongest, or the smartest, or the most capable...it takes a collective effort.

[Margloth]

I think the ending monologue of Team America: World Police best sums up why we need opposing viewpoints in our country.

[Griffin]

That is too funny funny, but without that tree hugging, pacifist, liberal buddy people would still be hunting whatever they could to feed themselves and beating on drums in hopes the spirits help them.
I agree that pacifism has its place, but what I don't believe is that somehow we would all be pagans worshiping false gods and incapable of eating fruit, vegetables, and nuts....

I do agree though that it takes a collective group of many differing people to advance a society to the level that the civilized world has achieved. So if that was what you meant by using a very exaggerated metaphor, then I agree - all in all we're just another brick in the wall. :)

[Longy418]

Another brick in the wall, as I do believe pagans can eat fruit, veggies, and nuts...but the very exaggerated metaphor was more in to reference that if those with the knowledge, money, and power were to not distribute their attributes (which on an individual bases is pretty tough to determine) we still might have slavery, less women rights, and many other things that would have kept the status quo.

[IAmBatman]

No wonder the C3G puts out such great customs, I am entertained listening to your political debates when mine our already firmly planted. You guys are awesome.
The best part of it is you can have two guys like Griff and IAmBatsman who seem to entirely disagree, and fight over stuff like this (what they believe is right), but who have nothing but respect and admiration for each other and are really great friends.

That's what I like about Heroscapers (and especially C3G).
Yeah, I love my tree hugging, pacifist, liberal buddy. I mean, GOD had to send someone down to protect his scrawny @$$. :lol:

Right back atcha, buddy. :-) My taxes pay for the majority of my protection, though. :-P I am glad God sent me to help the tin man have a heart, though. ;-)
And, yeah, I enjoy our political debates - even if I think the other side is full of nutters. :-P Reminds me of the French Salons from way back when.

[IAmBatman]

Hey gang, I need a picture of the following! Any help much appreciated! :-)

The figure used for this unit is a Heroclix figure from the Web of Spider-Man set.
Its model number and name are #014 / Iron Man.

[Lord Pyre]

Hey gang, I need a picture of the following! Any help much appreciated! :-)

The figure used for this unit is a Heroclix figure from the Web of Spider-Man set.
Its model number and name are #014 / Iron Man.


Gasp! I have that figure! Not what I was expecting you to use for an Iron Man, it's not a great figure. I'll see what I can do, but I'm not sure exactly when i'll have the time.

[IAmBatman]

Well, since he's the fourth one we're doing of about seven planned thus far ... :-P Gotta take what options are available!
As always, I appreciate anything you can do! :-)

[davidlhsl]

Yeah - I'd love to see someone do a generic car DO and work the kinks out of the system ... that way, when I get around to my Batmobile draft pick, the road will be, as they say ... paved. :-P

Since this is off-topic in the original thread, I thought I'd transfer the discussion here.

Here's my idea for a generic car DO:


Car
Destructible Object
Size: Medium 3
Life: 3
Defense: 5

Explosion
If this Car is destroyed by a non-adjacent figure and not thrown when destroyed, roll the 20-sided die. If you roll 12-18, all figures within 2 spaces of this Car receive 1 wound. If you roll 19-20, all figures within 2 spaces of this car receive 2 wounds.


That's pretty much all you need. The map scale simply doesn't support actual movement. I envision these more as parked vehicles that add flair to a city setting, such as the X Marks the Spot map.

The Batmobile, on the other hand, would probably work better as a draftable figure, similar to the Constructs.

That's my 2 cents, anyhoo... :)

[IAmBatman]

I think the Batmobile might work better as a unit as well. I'm still debating unit vs. DO in my head. I'm trying to think if there'd be any advantage to doing it as a DO at all ... I guess Superman and Hulk would be able to throw it using the DO optional rules, but it would then lack inherent movement/attack/etc.
I'm pretty sure the mini I have can work as a double base unit, though, even if it'll be an awkward placement in some spots (like Nilfheim isn't?).
For your write up above, why the limitations on when the car explodes? I could see rolling the D20 whenever it's destroyed and taking out the limitations on when you do other than that.

[davidlhsl]

For your write up above, why the limitations on when the car explodes? I could see rolling the D20 whenever it's destroyed and taking out the limitations on when you do other than that.

I'm basing it on the thought -- based entirely on watching too much television and movies -- that cars tend to do their Ka-POW when hit with weapons (machine guns, flame throwers, missiles, etc.). If you pick one up and toss it, or you just stand next to it and smash the thing to bits, then the car will usually crumble without actually exploding. Thus, the emphasis on range. Of course, you're still going to get natural attack potential from tossing the car from the normal DO rules.

But this is just all my own idea that I'm tossing as a springboard to your imagination. You folks have the talent for determining what part of my idea to keep, and what part to adjust, so I'm sure whatever DO you develop, it will be awesome!

[IAmBatman]

Hmm ... well only people like Magneto, Graviton, and Jean Grey could throw it to destroy it without being adjacent ... I think I might be OK with them doing so and just limit it to the non-adjacent bit. Thanks for explaining your rationale, though! :-)

[Swamper]

I'm pretty sure that the car would only explode if something ignited the gas. Like a red hot bullet tearing through the gas line or something.

[All Your Pie]

That might be hard to represent thematically, though. Personally, I'm willing to suspend that logic for more explosions.

Also, C3G's front page badge is up! Thanks Truth! :D

[Swamper]

That might be hard to represent thematically, though. Personally, I'm willing to suspend that logic for more explosions.

Also, C3G's front page badge is up! Thanks Truth! :D

Yeah, I would do what David suggested and just have them explode if you attack them from range. Just giving some more evidence to back his idea up. :)

[IAmBatman]

That might be hard to represent thematically, though. Personally, I'm willing to suspend that logic for more explosions.

Also, C3G's front page badge is up! Thanks Truth! :D

Woo hoo! And major props to A3n for the great badge design! :-)

[Margloth]

Oh that is sweet!

[johnny139]

I think the Batmobile might work better as a unit as well. I'm still debating unit vs. DO in my head. I'm trying to think if there'd be any advantage to doing it as a DO at all ... I guess Superman and Hulk would be able to throw it using the DO optional rules, but it would then lack inherent movement/attack/etc.

Well, I can think of reasons NOT to make it a unit... I mean, what if it's the last guy you have? It's a cool car, but I don't think it had advanced enough AI to take down the Joker all by its lonesome. :lol: I was thinking of a conjunction of a DO and a Glyph to control it.

I think something like this.

GLYPH OF BATMOBILE BEACON
EQUIPMENT GLYPH

Only a Vigilante can equip this Glyph. When a figure equips this Glyph, you may place a Batmobile Destructible Object in your Start Zone. Instead of moving with a figure equipped with this Glyph, you may move the Batmobile up to 8 spaces. If the Batmobile starts its movement adjacent to an unengaged figure equipped with this Glyph, after moving the Batmobile, you may place that figure adjacent to the Batmobile.

BATMOBILE

4 LIFE
6 DEFENSE

HOMING BAT-MISSILE
A figure equipped with the Batmobile Beacon Equipment Glyph adds 6 to its range number when attacking any figure within 8 spaces of the Batmobile Destructible Object and cannot roll more than 6 attack dice when attacking a non-adjacent figure with a normal attack. A figure equipped with the Batmobile Beacon Equipment Glyph's special powers are negated when attacking a non-adjacent figure within 8 spaces of the Batmobile Special Object.

So you grab the Glyph, take a spin in your Batmobile, shoot some missiles if you feel the need, and generally be Mr. Cool. And it could be used in conjunction with that Batman we were talking about before; make it one of his Equipment Glyphs.

But I'm just spitballing. I think it's a cool idea. :D

[IAmBatman]

Oh, I was definitely thinking of a Batmobile Remote Equipment Glyph for the eventual Utility Belt version of Batman I plan to do ... :-D It's just a matter of whether the Batmobile should just be placed on the battlefield or something draftable, but restricted, IMO. Still leaning towards the latter.

[Margloth]

I think the Batmobile might work better as a unit as well. I'm still debating unit vs. DO in my head. I'm trying to think if there'd be any advantage to doing it as a DO at all ... I guess Superman and Hulk would be able to throw it using the DO optional rules, but it would then lack inherent movement/attack/etc.

Well, I can think of reasons NOT to make it a unit... I mean, what if it's the last guy you have? It's a cool car, but I don't think it had advanced enough AI to take down the Joker all by its lonesome. :lol: I was thinking of a conjunction of a DO and a Glyph to control it.


It would be simple enough to do with a Green Construct like power.

[IAmBatman]

I don't think you'd even need that - you could just do a riff on carry where the Batmobile couldn't take a turn unless it was adjacent to another figure you control and then, if it moves, it carries that figure with it.

[johnny139]

It's tough to find a balance; the Batmobile can do more than a DO, but less than a real unit. But I'm sure you can come up with something solid - YouAreBatman, after all.. :D

[IAmBatman]

Yeah, there's a reason it's buried pretty deeply on my "to do list." :-) When I have like 20+ other units that are "ready to go" in terms of designing, it makes it so I'm in less of a rush on this one.

[Margloth]

I don't think you'd even need that - you could just do a riff on carry where the Batmobile couldn't take a turn unless it was adjacent to another figure you control and then, if it moves, it carries that figure with it.
Well, that's what I meant, geez. :D

Green Construct was just the closest thing I could think of in C3G-scape.

[IAmBatman]

Gotcha. :-)

[Spidey'tilIDie]

Hey to anyone interested:
My local Comic Store manager and I got to talking the other day and they have a bunch of unsold DC Classics: Batman Heroclix boosters. He told me he is willing to part with them for $3 each. One contains the C3G Commissioner Gordon and Joker along with a really nice Batman Proxy. The other contains C3G Penguin and Two-Face and a mini that I am pretty certain will be used for a Golden Age Batman. They also have the DC Classics: Batman Arkham Escape Set which comes with Batman (Golden Age version), Robin (jumping over chimney), Bane, Scarecrow, Mr. Freeze, and Joker, but I am not sure how much they will charge for these. I can probably get these cheaper too. I will not charge anything, just cost and shipping if anyone is interested. Just PM me. I am just trying to build a better relationship with the guys at my store. Helping them get rid of this surplus would be a real feather in my cap.

[Lord Pyre]

That might be hard to represent thematically, though. Personally, I'm willing to suspend that logic for more explosions.

Also, C3G's front page badge is up! Thanks Truth! :D

Woo hoo! And major props to A3n for the great badge design! :-)

Where is it? Am I just missing it? It's not on the sponsored links, where I thought it'd be...

[Griffin]

That might be hard to represent thematically, though. Personally, I'm willing to suspend that logic for more explosions.

Also, C3G's front page badge is up! Thanks Truth! :D

Woo hoo! And major props to A3n for the great badge design! :-)

Where is it? Am I just missing it? It's not on the sponsored links, where I thought it'd be...
LOL - it is at the bottom of the sponsored links list. :p

[Lord Pyre]

That might be hard to represent thematically, though. Personally, I'm willing to suspend that logic for more explosions.

Also, C3G's front page badge is up! Thanks Truth! :D

Woo hoo! And major props to A3n for the great badge design! :-)

Where is it? Am I just missing it? It's not on the sponsored links, where I thought it'd be...
LOL - it is at the bottom of the sponsored links list. :p

The bottom is the mythacle battleplan thing, which is for classic 'scape, if I'm not mistaken...

[Griffin]

That might be hard to represent thematically, though. Personally, I'm willing to suspend that logic for more explosions.

Also, C3G's front page badge is up! Thanks Truth! :D

Woo hoo! And major props to A3n for the great badge design! :-)

Where is it? Am I just missing it? It's not on the sponsored links, where I thought it'd be...
LOL - it is at the bottom of the sponsored links list. :p

The bottom is the mythacle battleplan thing, which is for classic 'scape, if I'm not mistaken...
You probably just need to refresh that page, but it is definitely there.

[Lord Pyre]

I cleared out my cache and everything, but still don't see it. Huh.

[Xn F M]

I cleared out my cache and everything, but still don't see it. Huh.

I swear it's one of the the longest .gifs I've ever seen. Have you tried a hard refresh?

[Lord Pyre]

I cleared out my cache and everything, but still don't see it. Huh.

I swear it's one of the the longest .gifs I've ever seen. Have you tried a hard refresh?

Well, I cleared the cache, refreshed, and restarted firefox and everything. Maybe my adblock is screwing with it. Is it a different type of link then all the others in the list?

[Xn F M]

I cleared out my cache and everything, but still don't see it. Huh.

I swear it's one of the the longest .gifs I've ever seen. Have you tried a hard refresh?

Well, I cleared the cache, refreshed, and restarted firefox and everything. Maybe my adblock is screwing with it. Is it a different type of link then all the others in the list?

It doesn't appear to be any different from the VirtualScape add. . . . It's an animated .gif, stored on the site, and displayed with a link to an on-site thread.

It's really pretty cool (in a super-nerdy kind of way):

http://www.heroscapers.com/community/images/sponsor/_C3G-Advert.gif

edit: Grif Ninja'd my edit!

[Griffin]

http://www.heroscapers.com/community/images/sponsor/_C3G-Advert.gif

[Lord Pyre]

http://www.heroscapers.com/community/images/sponsor/_C3G-Advert.gif

If you were posting something, all I see is a blank post. :p

[IAmBatman]

He posted it. So, yeah, must be your Adblock or something.

[Scapemage]

Just noticed the ad hit front page. :up:

[Lord Pyre]

Yup, messed with adblock and now I can see it. So weird, it hasn't blocked any other links like that here. :p

[Griffin]

Man, I want to petition that LP not be allowed to ever use this smiley again ":p".

It is in just about every one of his posts and he uses out of context too. Soooo irritating. :p

[IAmBatman]

I like it! :-P

[Porkins]

How about a petition that Griffin should be sleeping at 3:31 AM so he'll get his beauty rest for the next day of excellent C3G'ing :razz:

[Lord Pyre]

How about a petition that Griffin should be sleeping at 3:31 AM so he'll get his beauty rest for the next day of excellent C3G'ing :razz:

It was 2:31 for me. :p

[Porkins]

Well, it was only 12:31 for me... :razz:


It was 2:31 for me. :p

I just realized that you did it there :razz:

Oh, now I've said it :razz:

Oh, I've said it again :razz:

OHHHhhhh, Argghhhh :razz:

[Lord Pyre]

Well, it was only 12:31 for me... :razz:


It was 2:31 for me. :p

I just realized that you did it there :razz:

Oh, now I've said it :razz:

Oh, I've said it again :razz:

OHHHhhhh, Argghhhh :razz:

Oh, stop. :p

[Porkins]

The sound of empty coconut halves being banged together fades into the distance: clickety-clack, clickety-clack, clickety...

[Griffin]

Geees......

[Margloth]

Maybe LP's new title should be "Razzle Dazzle". :razz:

[davidlhsl]

Geees...... :p

Fixed! :twisted:

[Griffin]

Geees...... :p

Fixed! :twisted:
See, those were actually good and clever uses of those smilies. I have no irritation with that. :)

It just annoys the crap out of me how often LP uses that one smiley out of context.

[davidlhsl]

It's funny, but I have the same pet peeve about people who use "lol" out of context. You often see it in a long, angry rant, followed by "lol." I suppose they're trying to get you to think that whatever set off the rant hasn't gotten to them, but the text says otherwise. Hypothetical example:


That is completely out of line! I've reported this post, and I hope you get banned for life!!! You think you're funny? HA! You need to learn some manners. lol


Worst use of smileys I ever saw at Heroscapers.com was a post that was filled solid with nothing but a ton of animated smileys. The rep bar turned blood red after that one.

Best use of smileys ever are the smileys are in the 2nd post of "Welcome to C3G" by Griffin. My favorite is the smiley next to "C3G HR Department."

[Porkins]

Yeah, I agree on the best use of smileys. Those seem to fit so perfectly. I like the Rebasing :chainsaw: and Errata :oops: smileys.

[IAmBatman]

You guys are awesome. :-(

[Porkins]

lol

[Lord Pyre]

Grabbed 2 Captain America clix packs, and my first pack I pulled a MODOK! :D The second had a Human Torch, so not bad! Trying to trade 'em now, haha!


:p

[tcglkn]

LP, why not just put the smiley in your signature and save yourself the trouble of typing it every time?

[Lord Pyre]

LP, why not just put the smiley in your signature and save yourself the trouble of typing it every time?

I'm just going to start using a new emoticon from now on. :roll:

[tcglkn]

I see a new title: "Emoticonal" or some variation of that.

[Porkins]

But how can you top "One time at band camp..."?

[Lord Pyre]

But how can you top "One time at band camp..."?

Heh. Four or so years ago when I first got it, my mom saw that and freaked. It was pretty funny. (Tongue smiley)

Alright, I need some advice. One guy offered me the old Modok for the new one, but I think the old one might go down in price, so I don't feel like taking that offer. Then another guy had this offer.

Cosmic Justice:
#85 Martian Manhunter

Hammer of Thor:
#31 Ronan the Accuser

Mutant Mayhem:
#90 MODOK

Mutations and Monsters:
#38 Omega Red

Secret Invasion:
#52 Impossible Man

Web of Spiderman:
#19 Chameleon

For my Human Torch and Modok. I can't decide if it's good or not...

[tcglkn]

MODOK and Omega Red are pretty costly. Don't know the real value of the new MODOK or Human Torch. Impossible Man is fairly cheap.

[A3n]

Talk to Spidey, he'll be able to tell you the true values.

[johnny139]

Man, why would you ever give up the new superhuge MODOK? It's awesome!

[Griffin]

Have you guys seen Stan Lee's: Superhumans TV show? It is freaking AWESOME! It is a documentary of sorts, of people around the world with "superhuman" abilities.

[Griffin]

This also made me think of you guys. Enjoy. :D LINK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrxEFYV9KyM&feature=player_embedded)

[lefton4ya]

Silly request:

So we have the official BOOKS of Marevelscape (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=9723) created by Firemaster. It would be nice if on official marvel figs books synergies were listed for C3G figs. IMO, there are three ways to do this.
1. Edit the official books and list C3G synergies
2. Create new books for each of the official figs in the C3G section, just so you can list synergies and maybe C3G optional rule variant info to them
3. Create one thread or downloadable document that lists all the synergies for all C3G & official marvel figs.

I know C3G VISUAL SYNERGY CHARTS (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=31966) were created after the first C3G wave, but this is a lot harder to update than a simple list of synergies, which I think would be helpful.

Just an idea.

[IAmBatman]

Silly request:

So we have the official BOOKS of Marevelscape (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=9723) created by Firemaster. It would be nice if on official marvel figs books synergies were listed for C3G figs. IMO, there are three ways to do this.
1. Edit the official books and list C3G synergies
2. Create new books for each of the official figs in the C3G section, just so you can list synergies and maybe C3G optional rule variant info to them
3. Create one thread or downloadable document that lists all the synergies for all C3G & official marvel figs.

I know C3G VISUAL SYNERGY CHARTS (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=31966) were created after the first C3G wave, but this is a lot harder to update than a simple list of synergies, which I think would be helpful.

Just an idea.

Option 1 would involve putting custom items into official books and that's a no go to enough of the community that we're just not going to do it.
Option 2 would involve putting official books into the C3G section, blurring the lines between official and custom unnecessarily. I think it's also something that just shouldn't be done.
Option 3 sounds completely doable and I nominate you in charge of doing it. :-) Just make sure to link your results in a post in the Welcome to C3G page and we'll link it in the OP there.

[lefton4ya]

I had a feeling if I suggested an idea, someone would nominate me to do it and almost was going to put a clause that one of you should do it if we went with that option. The main reason I could give is I am not a C3G member although I do play your figs every now and then and did compile the cards in a PDF, but the real reason is I am stretched for time and do not want another thing on heroscapers where I am committed to update on a regular basis.

[Swamper]

Have you guys seen Stan Lee's: Superhumans TV show? It is freaking AWESOME! It is a documentary of sorts, of people around the world with "superhuman" abilities.

I saw the "Iceman" one, where that guy was in a tub of freezing cold water, and got locked in a walk in freezer!

[Xn F M]

Option 3 sounds completely doable and I nominate you in charge of doing it. :-) Just make sure to link your results in a post in the Welcome to C3G page and we'll link it in the OP there.

I had a feeling if I suggested an idea, someone would nominate me to do it and almost was going to put a clause that one of you should do it if we went with that option. The main reason I could give is I am not a C3G member although I do play your figs every now and then and did compile the cards in a PDF, but the real reason is I am stretched for time and do not want another thing on heroscapers where I am committed to update on a regular basis.

I wouldn't mind keeping something like that updated. The initial work may take a fair amount of time but once that's done it'll basically be a once per month thing that I can do when I update the suggestion list.

I'll put this on my to-do list right after that playtest write-up.

[IAmBatman]

Cool. :-) Sounds like a plan.

[Margloth]

This also made me think of you guys. Enjoy. :D LINK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrxEFYV9KyM&feature=player_embedded)

:lol:

[Margloth]

Bought like 6 Cap gravity feeds... here's some thoughts on what I got...

Nick Fury: You guys have been waiting to see this guy before choosing a figure for the card, right? The figure looks good... but he's kind of lacking in the 'action pose' department, and the black suit clashes a bit with the other SHIELD team members.

Black Widow: I think this is a really nice mini. I know you chose the ultimates, but this one looks pretty good and a little less, well, 'ultimate'. FYI.

SHIELD Agent: I'd say no to this one, and make a Maria Hill instead.

Hydra Officer: Kinda boring. Good thing the Hydra faction doesn't really need help.

[tcglkn]

Well we have already chosen a mini for Nick Fury based on the image of that Nick Fury we saw.

[Margloth]

Also got the Howling Commando, who looks a great deal less like a Nazi in person, which is both good and bad.

[Griffin]

Also got the Howling Commando, who looks a great deal less like a Nazi in person, which is both good and bad.
Any chance you could take some pics for us? :D

[Margloth]

I'm willing, my camera's not great, however.

[Lord Pyre]

Black Widow: I think this is a really nice mini. I know you chose the ultimates, but this one looks pretty good and a little less, well, 'ultimate'. FYI.

I disagree, I think the new Black Widow figure is pretty terrible. :p The old two are better.

And the Hydra guys kinda suck, too. :? But the new Viper is pretty darned awesome!!!

[IAmBatman]

Best part of the new Harry Potter movie I just got back from? The Dark Knight Rises teaser trailer! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ie9M-ys1bTg

[Griffin]

:? what a crappy and incredibly disappointing "leak".

[IAmBatman]

It's not a "leak" - it's a teaser trailer. It was better actually in the theater with higher quality visuals (but all I could find online was this bootleg).

[Griffin]

It's not a "leak" - it's a teaser trailer. It was better actually in the theater with higher quality visuals (but all I could find online was this bootleg).
When can I see Anne Hathaway in the Catwoman suit? :twisted:

Unfortunately, I have only seen her in the Princess Diaries so my own imagination keeps on giving me this:


http://picrocket.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Anne-Hathaway-as-Catwoman.png

:puke:

[Good Pig]

:rofl:

[IAmBatman]

It's not a "leak" - it's a teaser trailer. It was better actually in the theater with higher quality visuals (but all I could find online was this bootleg).
When can I see Anne Hathaway in the Catwoman suit? :twisted:

Unfortunately, I have only seen her in the Princess Diaries so my own imagination keeps on giving me this:


http://picrocket.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Anne-Hathaway-as-Catwoman.png

:puke:


It's a teaser trailer for a reason. :-P The full trailer should give us better looks at Bane as well as a look at Catwoman.

[johnny139]

You've never seen The Devil Wears Prada? For shame, dude. For shame. :p

Haven't seen the teaser yet (hoping I can get it in its full, theater-quality glory at Captain America), but the poster - now that poster is badass. Love the color scheme.

[Hidicul]

I was looking forward to the Dark Knight trailer, unfourtantly I got Sherlock Holmes, so there really wasn't a good part of seeing HP for me :(

[IAmBatman]

I got both!

[Xn F M]

It's not a "leak" - it's a teaser trailer. It was better actually in the theater with higher quality visuals (but all I could find online was this bootleg).
When can I see Anne Hathaway in the Catwoman suit? :twisted:

Unfortunately, I have only seen her in the Princess Diaries so my own imagination keeps on giving me this:


http://picrocket.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Anne-Hathaway-as-Catwoman.png

:puke:


It's a teaser trailer for a reason. :-P The full trailer should give us better looks at Bane as well as a look at Catwoman.

I for one, would think that a "teaser trailer" would have Anne Hathaway in a Catwoman outfit . . . .

[tcglkn]

I loved the Harry Potter movie. I feel like my childhood is dead now though.

[Porkins]

I feel like my childhood is dead now though.

Heh heh, speak for yourself!

I'll be forty before long, and I spend my free time obsessing over an eight year old's army men board game! You're still a baby. :razz:

[tcglkn]

I just turned 18 this summer. I'm one of the young ones in the group. :)

[IAmBatman]

I loved the Harry Potter movie. I feel like my childhood is dead now though.

Meh, just wait until you're away at college playing video games all day. :-P If you really want to kill your childhood, get a full time job, benefits, a retirement plan, and a marriage! :-D (Though mine's still kicking somehow ... marrying the right girl really helped!).

[Hahma]

I feel like my childhood is dead now though.

Heh heh, speak for yourself!

I'll be forty before long, and I spend my free time obsessing over an eight year old's army men board game! You're still a baby. :razz:

I'm with Porkins :up:

I just turned 44 and still love games of all sorts and just "playing around" in general. No need to give up your childhood Tickle. Heck, the older you get, hopefully you have more money than you did in your childhood and can afford more toys than you had as a kid. Heck, my current childhood is leaps and bounds better than my biological childhood. :D Not to mention, when you have kids (no rush there Tickle;)), you have a built in excuse to keep your childhood alive and kicking.

[Griffin]

I feel like my childhood is dead now though.

Heh heh, speak for yourself!

I'll be forty before long, and I spend my free time obsessing over an eight year old's army men board game! You're still a baby. :razz:

I'm with Porkins :up:

I just turned 44 and still love games of all sorts and just "playing around" in general. No need to give up your childhood Tickle. Heck, the older you get, hopefully you have more money than you did in your childhood and can afford more toys than you had as a kid. Heck, my current childhood is leaps and bounds better than my biological childhood. :D Not to mention, when you have kids (no rush there Tickle;)), you have a built in excuse to keep your childhood alive and kicking.
:word:

[DEATHWALKER 1970]

41 here!
I have an education, a job, a daughter, a home, which I keep reasonably clean and tidy, with the refrigerator full, even at the end of the month, and I pay my bills and insurance on time and keep my dentist appointments!

The rest of my time and money is spent on comic books, books, dvds, boardgames, plastic men, video games, Nerf guns, and whatever shiny plastic/cardboard/electronic obsession takes my fancy...

There´s a great saying that goes like this... You don´t stop playing because you get old, you get old because you stop playing!

[johnny139]

It's not the years, it's the mileage.

[Griffin]

It's not the years, it's the mileage.
:lol: Nice. I know that movie got a lot of crap, but I liked it and I thought it was much truer to the original 3 than people gave it credit for.

[Flame Gryphon]

I just turned 18 this summer. I'm one of the young ones in the group. :)

I think I'm actually the youngest. :p

[A3n]

It's not the years, it's the mileage.
:lol: Nice. I know that movie got a lot of crap, but I liked it and I thought it was much truer to the original 3 than people gave it credit for.

Ok its been a while since I have seen them, but wasn't that the first one?

(& just to be sure that was from Raiders of the lost Ark, right?)

[Scapemage]

I loved the Harry Potter movie. I feel like my childhood is dead now though.
I hope it's good in 3d. I have a date tomorrow night. 8)

[Griffin]

It's not the years, it's the mileage.
:lol: Nice. I know that movie got a lot of crap, but I liked it and I thought it was much truer to the original 3 than people gave it credit for.

Ok its been a while since I have seen them, but wasn't that the first one?

(& just to be sure that was from Raiders of the lost Ark, right?)
Yep, you are absolutely correct.

[Griffin]

I loved the Harry Potter movie. I feel like my childhood is dead now though.
I hope it's good in 3d. I have a date tomorrow night. 8)
WOW! Just don't talk about C3G and you will be OK. :lol:

[Scapemage]

I loved the Harry Potter movie. I feel like my childhood is dead now though.
I hope it's good in 3d. I have a date tomorrow night. 8)
WOW! Just don't talk about C3G and you will be OK. :lol:
Gee, thanks for the tip?

First date even. 8)

[IAmBatman]

Heh, have fun Scapey. :-) Remember to hold the door for her.

[tcglkn]

Remember to hold the door for her.

I know girls that get mad at me when I do that for them. That's how I was raised though.

[IAmBatman]

Remember to hold the door for her.

I know girls that get mad at me when I do that for them. That's how I was raised though.

Don't date girls who don't know how to appreciate gentlemen. They might eventually, when they're older, but if they don't now, they're not worth your time yet.

[tcglkn]

I don't plan to. That's one of the few things I have going for me so a girl needs to like that. ;)

[IAmBatman]

:lol: For sure. Nice guys win out in the long run - but in relationships more than in "dating" so it can be a bit frustrating when you're younger. I got over the need to bend over backwards for girls looking for their Byronic Heroes a long time ago, though. My wife knows me for the nice guy geek I am and absolutely adores me for it. And I love and adore her for the lady and geek that she is. :-)

[tcglkn]

Yea that's part of my problem I guess. I don't buy into the whole "dating" thing. I'd rather have a serious relationship with someone, but most people my age aren't looking for that so I have a few years.

[IAmBatman]

Yeah, for sure. Though, speaking for myself, it was really good for me to have a few dating and relationship experiences previous to my marriage. I really grew and matured a lot and developed a lot of EQ that way. I don't think I'd be half the husband I am now without some of those messier experiences.

[tcglkn]

Oh I don't plan on getting it all right the first time, I just don't like the "relationships" most of the people my age have.

[IAmBatman]

Heh. You mean the "relations."

[tcglkn]

Heh. You mean the "relations."

:word:

[Scapemage]

Yea that's part of my problem I guess. I don't buy into the whole "dating" thing. I'd rather have a serious relationship with someone, but most people my age aren't looking for that so I have a few years.
I get what you mean. I know people who really don't care that they're in a relationship. :headshake:

[Porkins]

When I was younger, I always tried to think of dating as a way to get to know people and not as a step into a relationship. When I was a bit older, then the serious relationships naturally came along.

To jump back a bit, I thought of another way to word it:

Growing older is out of your control, but growing up is a conscious choice.

[IAmBatman]

Growing older is out of your control, but growing up is a conscious choice.

I need to try telling my neighbors that ...

[Lord Pyre]

My girlfriend I've known for 5 years, and she was my best friend. And next week will be the one year anniversary of her finally saying yes to my repeated attempts at asking her out! :lol:

I'm pretty gentlemanly, and she loves it. Always hold doors, whether the girls think they like it, or not. ;) Opening car doors is great, too, but I don't think that affects Scapemage. :p

[Scapemage]

My girlfriend I've known for 5 years, and she was my best friend. And next week will be the one year anniversary of her finally saying yes to my repeated attempts at asking her out! :lol:

I'm pretty gentlemanly, and she loves it. Always hold doors, whether the girls think they like it, or not. ;) Opening car doors is great, too, but I don't think that affects Scapemage. :p
Not yet it doesn't.

[Margloth]

I've got a suggestion for playtesting for the Heroes to consider. Just based on my own observations, nothing groundbreaking, I don't think.

Suggestion: Public Designs don't require sign-up, or cost points to sign up for, and can be done even when other tests are signed up for.

Here's my thinking: It seems lately the Heroes have really been cranking the designs through (:woot:) so the old 'sign-up rush' is kind of a thing of the past. As a result, people are less likely to sign up for a public design (especially maps), because they either want to save their points for, save their playtest slot for, or are more interested in seeing, designs that are done in private.

I especially worry about the Map testing. I'm interested in doing a map test, but really don't want to miss the opportunity to test an awesome unit cuz I signed up for a map test (which can be a bit more time consuming).

Also, as far as Public figure designs, well, I don't think the playtesting point cost is necessary because if us allies and sidekicks don't get them done, it's really us that suffer.

Thoughts?

[IAmBatman]

I'd be fine with getting rid of the cost to sign up at this point, honestly. It's not like we're really enforcing it anyway.
But the problem with doing away with sign ups is that it'd be really hard to keep track of things ...

[Margloth]

I'd be fine with getting rid of the cost to sign up at this point, honestly. It's not like we're really enforcing it anyway.
But the problem with doing away with sign ups is that it'd be really hard to keep track of things ...
No, sign ups would stay for any designs you guys need tested. I'm just saying that for the likes of Public Designs and Maps, there should really be no requirement / restriction. Those are kind of 'on us' anyway. And I think it would help the map department.

I mean, half of the time, we just post the results in the thread anyway, without so much of a formal 'sign up'. So I guess I'm not really advocating too much change, just saying the 'faster and looser' approach could be official for Public testing. (Mind you I am not suggesting we change any of the testing requirements, just that they don't require you to sign up, and don't affect your ability to sign up for other tests [because you'd never sign up for them... I guess I'm going in circles here]).

[Griffin]

I am honestly having a very difficult time keeping interest in what you are posting here Margloth, because you seem to be looking for changes to the ABSOLUTE BEST SYSTEM AND EXPERIENCE C3G has ever had. "If ain't broke don't fix it" seems to apply here IMO.