The C3G Cave - Hangout

[Margloth]

No, I appreciate the help, and I'm sure the DC Universe is very rewarding once you get to know it. I'm just expressing my frustration with the over-use (in my opinion) of the Multi-Universes angle.

Although I really enjoyed Infinite Crisis (Haven't managed to get Crisis on Infinite Earths yet), and some aspects of Final Crisis (I really struggled to understand what was going on in that one).

[IAmBatman]

I haven't read Final Crisis. The original Crisis is really the one worth reading, IMO. But, basically, all of those "crisis" stories are all about just getting rid of continuity issues and bringing back the characters that have died that they really like.
Both Wally and Barry exist in this universe and you can actually most ignore the Crisis stuff and still follow their stories. You just need to know that Barry disappeared for a while, and now he's back.

[Margloth]

Okay, so any *simpler*, non-Batman (since I'm trying to branch out) DC stories that you would recommend to help ease me in?

[Griffin]

MARVEL has all of the same annoyances too. :cough: Ultimates :cough:

I mean how the heck are there two different Nick Fury's, one white and one black?

How many Hulks have there been?

How many different Venoms are there, and what is an Anti-Venom?

Who are the Fan 4 these days?

[IAmBatman]

Well the only non-Batman stuff I follow right now is Flash and Green Lantern (which has two books). Unfortunately, right now DC is about to get a bit crazy ... but they're also about to turn a ton of books back to #1 issues. So I'd say just research up on the #1 issues coming out (there are 52 of them), figure out a character you like (Deadman, Hawkman, Wonder Woman, Green Arrow, whomever) and snag one of them. I'm guessing if they're #1 issues, they'll be a nice place for new readers to start.
Graphic novel collections really are a nice way to get a self-contained story without having to worry about tracking down every issue or ground yourself in the current nature of the universe, though.

[Margloth]

MARVEL has all of the same annoyances too. :cough: Ultimates :cough:

I mean how the heck are there two different Nick Fury's, one white and one black?

How many Hulks have there been?

How many different Venoms are there, and what is an Anti-Venom?

Who are the Fan 4 these days?
You're right, of course. Although I'd say Marvel has done a better job at getting their characters (even lesser ones) known by the public at this point.

Probably my familiarity with the Marvel Universe makes it easier for me to forgive this stuff. Bad Margloth, Bad! :)

[Griffin]

MARVEL has all of the same annoyances too. :cough: Ultimates :cough:

I mean how the heck are there two different Nick Fury's, one white and one black?

How many Hulks have there been?

How many different Venoms are there, and what is an Anti-Venom?

Who are the Fan 4 these days?
You're right, of course. Although I'd say Marvel has done a better job at getting their characters (even lesser ones) known by the public at this point.

Probably my familiarity with the Marvel Universe makes it easier for me to forgive this stuff. Bad Margloth, Bad! :)
I was raised mostly on DC, but with lots of Marvel as well, and there are differences between them, but the whole "changing characters" routine is an old hat for both.

[Lord Pyre]

MARVEL has all of the same annoyances too. :cough: Ultimates :cough:

I mean how the heck are there two different Nick Fury's, one white and one black?

How many Hulks have there been?

How many different Venoms are there, and what is an Anti-Venom?

Who are the Fan 4 these days?

Marvel's not nearly as confusing, in my opinion. Ultimate is just an alternate universe, which is why there are two Fury's. There are two of every character if you want to say that.

There's only one actual Hulk. There's a minor villain Red Hulk, but a totally different character.

Venom has been around, right now I think Flash Thompson is the host, and Anti-Venom is a stupid thing about Eddie Brock.

And the Fan Four is dead with Johnny, another stupid thing about the Future Federation or whatever. There's a lot of stupid stuff in comics. :p


(I think you know all this, but I figured I'd answer anyway :p )

[Griffin]

MARVEL has all of the same annoyances too. :cough: Ultimates :cough:

I mean how the heck are there two different Nick Fury's, one white and one black?

How many Hulks have there been?

How many different Venoms are there, and what is an Anti-Venom?

Who are the Fan 4 these days?

Marvel's not nearly as confusing, in my opinion. Ultimate is just an alternate universe, which is why there are two Fury's. There are two of every character if you want to say that.

There's only one actual Hulk. There's a minor villain Red Hulk, but a totally different character.

Venom has been around, right now I think Flash Thompson is the host, and Anti-Venom is a stupid thing about Eddie Brock.

And the Fan Four is dead with Johnny, another stupid thing about the Future Federation or whatever. There's a lot of stupid stuff in comics. :p


(I think you know all this, but I figured I'd answer anyway :p )
The point is though, that you can only know about the continual evolution of these characters if you have followed them for a while.

Sure, each one of these characters has an iconic representation that the writers use as a magnet to draw back towards, but they are always seeing how many different directions and interpretations of these characters they can create too. For this reason, someone may pick up a Red Hulk comic and think that Hulk has evolved into a villain.

[IAmBatman]

I do agree that Marvel has done a better job of getting more of their characters known in a more widespread fashion, though. DC's cartoons (JLA Unlimited, Batman: Brave and the Bold, Teen Titans, Young Justice) have done a good job of mining the lesser known characters, but they haven't gotten the movie treatment that Marvel's lesser known characters (lots of the X-Men, Daredevil, Ghost Rider, Silver Surfer, Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, Fantastic Four) have. Marvel has Spider-Man, Hulk, and Wolverine who are all known almost as well as Batman and Superman, and the rest of their characters I mentioned here are much better known than any non-Batman/Superman characters for DC.
Hopefully the Green Lantern movie is the beginning of the end in that, though - at least on the big screen.

[Margloth]

Yeah, I would say everybody knows DC's big 3 (Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman) better than most Marvel characters, but when you move to 2nd and 3rd tiers, more people know about the likes of Punisher, Daredevil, Cyclops, etc. than some of the comparable DC characters.

[Spidey'tilIDie]

MARVEL has all of the same annoyances too. :cough: Ultimates :cough:

I mean how the heck are there two different Nick Fury's, one white and one black?

How many Hulks have there been?

How many different Venoms are there, and what is an Anti-Venom?

Who are the Fan 4 these days?
Two Universes, two Nick Furys. Why does that work for DC but not Marvel?

By my count there have been 5 Hulks and 3 She-Hulks: Ultimate Bruce Banner, Ultimate Luke Cage, Bruce Banner, Rick Jones, and Thunderbolt Ross; Jenn Walters, Betty Ross, and Lyra Banner. Oh, and Red Hulk is now an Avenger so he is not a villain.

There have now been 5 Venoms: Ultimate Eddie Brock, Eddie Brock, Angelo somebody, Mac Gargan, and Flash Thompson. Anti-Venom is what happened to Brock from his prolonged exposure to the symbiote. He had gotten cancer, so the suit helped his anti-bodies mutate to combat it. Now when he pierces his skin and allows the white blood cells out, they are very symbiote like.

Fan four is dead in both Ultimate and normal. In Ultimate, Reed went evil. In normal, Johnny died and they formed the Future Foundation.

Well the only non-Batman stuff I follow right now is Flash and Green Lantern (which has two books). Unfortunately, right now DC is about to get a bit crazy ... but they're also about to turn a ton of books back to #1 issues. So I'd say just research up on the #1 issues coming out (there are 52 of them), figure out a character you like (Deadman, Hawkman, Wonder Woman, Green Arrow, whomever) and snag one of them. I'm guessing if they're #1 issues, they'll be a nice place for new readers to start.
Graphic novel collections really are a nice way to get a self-contained story without having to worry about tracking down every issue or ground yourself in the current nature of the universe, though.
Green Lantern has three books: Green Lantern, Green Lantern Corps, and Green Lantern: Emerald Warriors.

[johnny139]

Yeah, DC Comics are like 95% nonsense to a non-reader like me. I think the cartoons have been the best, most consistent version of the DC Universe since, I dunno, the 80s. Look at Supergirl, for example - I mean, what the hell is up with that? While I'm cynical as always with these massive reboots, hopefully it streamlines things better than the last few Crisises.

[IAmBatman]

Yeah, I would say everybody knows DC's big 3 (Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman) better than most Marvel characters, but when you move to 2nd and 3rd tiers, more people know about the likes of Punisher, Daredevil, Cyclops, etc. than some of the comparable DC characters.

I still don't think Wonder Woman is much of a part of the big three. I think she had one notable television show about 40 years ago and what since? I suppose people know of her, but I doubt the vast majority of non-comic book readers know diddly about her other than a Halloween costume.
And Spidey, I definitely meant three for the GL books. Not sure why I typed two there.

[Scapemage]

I am familiar with 10x as many DC characters as I am Marvel, so...

[Spidey'tilIDie]

Yeah, I would say everybody knows DC's big 3 (Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman) better than most Marvel characters, but when you move to 2nd and 3rd tiers, more people know about the likes of Punisher, Daredevil, Cyclops, etc. than some of the comparable DC characters.

I still don't think Wonder Woman is much of a part of the big three. I think she had one notable television show about 40 years ago and what since? I suppose people know of her, but I doubt the vast majority of non-comic book readers know diddly about her other than a Halloween costume.
And Spidey, I definitely meant three for the GL books. Not sure why I typed two there.
Just to shed some light on this: looking back, who are the three characters from Golden Age that did not get a rebooted, totally different character with the same name when the Silver Age began? (i.e. Green Lantern, Flash, Atom, etc.) This is why they are the Big 3. Golden or Silver, Bruce Wayne is still Batman, Clark Kent is still Superman, and Princess Diana is still Wonder Woman.

[Scapemage]

Yeah, I would say everybody knows DC's big 3 (Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman) better than most Marvel characters, but when you move to 2nd and 3rd tiers, more people know about the likes of Punisher, Daredevil, Cyclops, etc. than some of the comparable DC characters.

I still don't think Wonder Woman is much of a part of the big three. I think she had one notable television show about 40 years ago and what since? I suppose people know of her, but I doubt the vast majority of non-comic book readers know diddly about her other than a Halloween costume.
And Spidey, I definitely meant three for the GL books. Not sure why I typed two there.
Just to shed some light on this: looking back, who are the three characters from Golden Age that did not get a rebooted, totally different character with the same name when the Silver Age began? (i.e. Green Lantern, Flash, Atom, etc.) This is why they are the Big 3. Golden or Silver, Bruce Wayne is still Batman, Clark Kent is still Superman, and Princess Diana is still Wonder Woman.

I would take Flash off your list. Jay, Barry, and Wally are all still running, and the only lapse was when Barry killed himself. Jay has been running steady since he came to light, so saying that the Flash's identity changed isn't really true.

[Griffin]

:popcorn:

[IAmBatman]

OK, that's a fine clarification of why the "big three" are the "big three" but it underscores the point that it doesn't mean diddly to non-comic book readers. To them, there's Batman, there's Superman, and, to an extent, there's everybody else, IMO.

[Scapemage]

OK, that's a fine clarification of why the "big three" are the "big three" but it underscores the point that it doesn't mean diddly to non-comic book readers. To them, there's Batman, there's Superman, and, to an extent, there's everybody else, IMO.
But you can't just assume that noone knows who Wonder Woman is, or the Flash, or Green Lantern, or other people. They appear in more places than you think. TV shows, movies, Six Flags and otehr attractions where DC and Marvel have licenses. People get exposure, and they just know who the characters are, even if they aren't fans.

[A3n]

I would say Wonder Woman is in the top 3. Even my wife knows who Wonder Woman is & Superman & Batman. After that she wouldn't have a clue except maybe Robin :p.

[IAmBatman]

I guess I'm just saying she's a distant third and she doesn't have near the pull (nor get near the exposure) that Batman and Superman get - and even Green Lantern (and Flash to a lesser extent) are catching up with her.
So, to me, it's really the "big two" and Wonder Woman. There's no disputing she's definitely number three of the "big three" at the very least.
Anyway, if we're talking exposure, DC probably has two characters in the "A" range and a smattering in the "B" range (led by Wonder Woman), whereas Marvel probably has about two or three in the "A" to "A-" range, but a slew in the "B" range.
Kind of like how Wonder Woman is probably known better than any Marvel females, but as a whole I'd say Marvel has way more compelling female characters that get multimedia treatment than DC does (after WW, Catwoman, Lois Lane, and Poison Ivy, the DC females getting wide public attention are pretty slim ... I guess you could throw Supergirl on that list as well. For Marvel you've got Invisible Woman, Storm, Jean Grey, Spider-Woman, She-Hulk, Elektra, Rogue, Mystique, Ms. Marvel, Scarlet Witch, Black Widow, and the list goes on ...).

[A3n]

Maybe but my wife wouldn't know any of those Marvel females. In that universe she would probably only know Spider-Man & Hulk. :shrug:

[Hahma]

My wife would know WW, Elektra, Mystique, Supergirl, Catwoman, Rogue, Jean Grey and maybe some other females I'm sure from both universes. She'd also know a bunch of the male and female Justice League, Avengers and X-Men, as well as Daredevil, Spidey and the F4.

Now my daughters (the 8 year-olds, not the 19 year-old) know a ton of characters from both universes, thanks to the animated series', animated and live action movies and from Superheroscape.

[Griffin]

The most commonly known female character from comics is Lois Lane. Next would be Catwoman, then I think Wonder Woman.

[DEATHWALKER 1970]

Here in Denmark everybody, from the smallest kid to my grandma, knows who Superman and Batman are, but beyond that...:shock:
I´ll aggree that those two are DCs most iconic characters, probably the two most recognizable super dudes on a world wide scale.

In Europe, the Disney characters, Donald + Scrooge and the nephews, in particular, are more popular reading than any superhero... Actually, the Disney comics are way more popular over here than in the States...

On a related note...Even though I haven´t boght any of the danish translated versions of any super books for the last 20 years or so (preferring the original source material:D) it was nonetheless sad, when recently the last remaining danish superhero titles were cancelled due to bad sales...:(

[Hidicul]

I know who the nephews are, Huey, Duey, and Luey...although I may have misspelled them, but we all know my spelling and grammer suck ;)

[Xn F M]

I know who the nephews are, Huey, Duey, and Luey...although I may have misspelled them, but we all know my spelling and grammer suck ;)

Don't forget Donald, he's Scrooge's nephew too. ;)

[IAmBatman]

The most commonly known female character from comics is Lois Lane. Next would be Catwoman, then I think Wonder Woman.

I used to think that Catwoman was more known than Wonder Woman, then I googled both of them. Waaaaay more hits for Wonder Woman. Like not even close. That said, I think all most people know about either of them in a Halloween costume.
I bet the names Clark Kent and Bruce Wayne are known by about a zillion more people than either Diana Prince or Selina Kyle are.

[johnny139]

I think Batman's little corner is probably the best known comic stuff, really - heroes, sidekicks, villains. Guys like the Joker and the Penguin and the Riddler and Catwoman and Two-Face have had SO MUCH exposure, from Adam West up to the Nolan films, that no other heroes can really stand up next to it. Superman, maybe, but outside of Lex Luthor and Lois Lane, what other characters to people know? Spider-Man is, again, pretty much just Spider-Man. And, hell, I don't even know 90% of Wonder Woman's supporting cast.

[IAmBatman]

Jimmy Olsen and Mary Jane probably both have decent exposure at this point. I think Doctor Octopus probably used to be Spidey's most known enemy, but after the movies it's probably Green Goblin.

[Scapemage]

Well, I must say I've just been taken aback. Small spoiler in first one, huge spoiler in second one. So beware!

I just read Flashpoint #1.

And it's wierd. All I know is that Barry is not in the normal world anymore, and there's a war going on. Superman doesn't exist, Barry's dad is dead, and Iris is dating Wally. More in the extreme spoiler below. Only read if you have no plans about reading Flashpoint.

Barry can't run fast.

Noone knows who the Flash is.

Batman, Thomas Wayne (Bruce dead), is more of a Rogue running around Gotham. He owns casinos, and apparently drops villans off roofs often.

Zoom exists, you see a brief glimpse of him.

Joker is mentioned.

Now more about the war, with some quotes from #1...

"Over 100,000,000 people died when Atlantis sank western Europe into the ocean."

"Before that, 32,000,000 were slaughtered when the Amazons claimed the United Kingdom as New Themyscira."

"They both want to rule the world. We have to take down Aquaman and Wonder Woman before they ravage the rest of Earth fighting over it."

Names are different. Cyborg, Abin Sur (yes, Abin), Capt. Thunder and kids (not Capt. Marvel and kids), Citizen Cold (not Capt. Cold), The Pied Piper, Enchantress, Blackout, The Outsider, and others tried to band together to fight WW and AM.

Batman denies, so noone bands.

Batman almost kills Barry (remember, he's not superhuman).

That's pretty much the whole issue.



I'm excited, but man it's wierd.

[IAmBatman]

Haven't read any Flashpoint yet or seen anything of the reboot but previews (not super keen on losing Oracle for a return of Babs as Batgirl, but the concept is compelling in ways). This quote from an article I read kind of sums up where I'm feeling in anticipation of this move, though:


I am not a longtime reader.

I want to be, but I seem to have an uncanny knack for poking a toe in right as a Zero Hour or Crisis is swinging through the scene like an incredibly expository wrecking ball. You can only end so many crossovers by going through your reality with a red pen. To the neophyte, it sounds like every one of these events has the same climax, and it’s some variation of “none of that happened just now; never mind. The reality ledgers are balanced for another fiscal year.” That’s not particularly compelling. I realize that all of these books functionally hinge on the illusion of change, but there’s perpetually maintaining the status quo with sleight of hand and then there’s literally telling the same story over and over from the beginning.

I also have a knee-jerk gut reaction to the re-costuming, re-aging, renumbering relevance gambit. It reminds me of the girl I knew in high school who was a different person every semester; “granola” gave way to “preppy,” then she got accepted to UVA and spent all summer practicing her southern accent and telling people to call her “Rhoda.” You don’t need new pants and high collars to make everyone like you and take you seriously, DC. Just be yourself! People will like you for you, if you let them.

[Spidey'tilIDie]

Haven't read any Flashpoint yet or seen anything of the reboot but previews (not super keen on losing Oracle for a return of Babs as Batgirl, but the concept is compelling in ways). This quote from an article I read kind of sums up where I'm feeling in anticipation of this move, though:


I am not a longtime reader.

I want to be, but I seem to have an uncanny knack for poking a toe in right as a Zero Hour or Crisis is swinging through the scene like an incredibly expository wrecking ball. You can only end so many crossovers by going through your reality with a red pen. To the neophyte, it sounds like every one of these events has the same climax, and it’s some variation of “none of that happened just now; never mind. The reality ledgers are balanced for another fiscal year.” That’s not particularly compelling. I realize that all of these books functionally hinge on the illusion of change, but there’s perpetually maintaining the status quo with sleight of hand and then there’s literally telling the same story over and over from the beginning.

I also have a knee-jerk gut reaction to the re-costuming, re-aging, renumbering relevance gambit. It reminds me of the girl I knew in high school who was a different person every semester; “granola” gave way to “preppy,” then she got accepted to UVA and spent all summer practicing her southern accent and telling people to call her “Rhoda.” You don’t need new pants and high collars to make everyone like you and take you seriously, DC. Just be yourself! People will like you for you, if you let them.

:rofl:

[IAmBatman]

I read a bunch more articles after that which I won't post here but agree with and have really cemented for me why I'm annoyed about all of this. I think I'll just quietly move just about all the DC books off my pull list and concentrate on Image and graphic novels for a while.

[tcglkn]

Just got back from seeing X-Men: First Class and I really enjoyed it. It was my favorite X-Men movie so far. :)

[Griffin]

I liked it, and that is all I can say, and the most I can say. It was definitely better than the previous X-Men movies, mainly because this did have character development and actual passion and heart. Oh yeah, and good actors. No offense Patrick Stewart fans, I mean I love him too, but the X-Men movies was his most lazy performance ever. :p

[IAmBatman]

I don't think Patrick Stewart was given much to work with. He (like the rest of the cast) did a good job of looking the part, though.

[Xn F M]

No offense Patrick Stewart fans, I mean I love him too, but the X-Men movies was his most lazy performance ever. :p

Well, he did do the entire movie sitting down. ;)

I haven't seen first class yet. I'm actually a little annoyed that an X-Men "first class" isn't the actual first class (Scott, Jean, Warren, Bobby, and Hank). Sure, I like Nightcrawler, and I love Banshee (especially in Deadly Genesis), but they just don't belong in a first class story in my mind. Nightcrawler is a second generation X-Man, and Banshee is even "younger" than that. (I'll wait to see the movie before complaining about Darwin or Havok.)

[tcglkn]

Nightcrawler isn't in this movies.

[Xn F M]

Nightcrawler isn't in this movies.

I swear that there's a blue guy teleporting in one of the commercials. It might just be that the scene cuts too quickly for my aging eyes, but that's what it looks like.

[tcglkn]

Nightcrawler isn't in this movies.

I swear that there's a blue guy teleporting in one of the commercials. It might just be that the scene cuts too quickly for my aging eyes, but that's what it looks like.

There is a red guy teleporting but it isn't Nightcrawler.

[LordEsenwienIV]

Nightcrawler isn't in this movies.

I swear that there's a blue guy teleporting in one of the commercials. It might just be that the scene cuts too quickly for my aging eyes, but that's what it looks like.

There is a red guy teleporting but it isn't Nightcrawler.
Just curious but who is the Red guy?

[Xn F M]

Nightcrawler isn't in this movies.

I swear that there's a blue guy teleporting in one of the commercials. It might just be that the scene cuts too quickly for my aging eyes, but that's what it looks like.

There is a red guy teleporting but it isn't Nightcrawler.
Just curious but who is the Red guy?

It would have be Azazel (http://marvel.wikia.com/Azazel_(Earth-616)).

As far as the Nightcrawler thing goes, I guess I just assumed that the blue person in an X-Men uniform would be Nightcrawler. I'm liking the team choices in this movie less and less the more I see of them. . . but maybe I'm just getting old and cranky. (Why would they choose to do Havok without establishing Cyclops??)

[tcglkn]

Just curious but who is the Red guy?

Azazel (http://www.comicvine.com/azazel/29-40526/)

EDIT: :ninja: That's what happens when you get distracted on facebook.

[Scapemage]

No offense Patrick Stewart fans, I mean I love him too, but the X-Men movies was his most lazy performance ever. :p

Well, he did do the entire movie sitting down. ;)

I haven't seen first class yet. I'm actually a little annoyed that an X-Men "first class" isn't the actual first class (Scott, Jean, Warren, Bobby, and Hank). Sure, I like Nightcrawler, and I love Banshee (especially in Deadly Genesis), but they just don't belong in a first class story in my mind. Nightcrawler is a second generation X-Man, and Banshee is even "younger" than that. (I'll wait to see the movie before complaining about Darwin or Havok.)
You know I was tlaking to my friend who works at my local game store, and he was talking about how they actually invented X-Men for the movie. t's not actually Nightcrawler, it's Nightcrawler's "son". And that's not Banshee either.

[Xn F M]

No offense Patrick Stewart fans, I mean I love him too, but the X-Men movies was his most lazy performance ever. :p

Well, he did do the entire movie sitting down. ;)

I haven't seen first class yet. I'm actually a little annoyed that an X-Men "first class" isn't the actual first class (Scott, Jean, Warren, Bobby, and Hank). Sure, I like Nightcrawler, and I love Banshee (especially in Deadly Genesis), but they just don't belong in a first class story in my mind. Nightcrawler is a second generation X-Man, and Banshee is even "younger" than that. (I'll wait to see the movie before complaining about Darwin or Havok.)
You know I was tlaking to my friend who works at my local game store, and he was talking about how they actually invented X-Men for the movie. t's not actually Nightcrawler, it's Nightcrawler's "son". And that's not Banshee either.

The credits say Banshee . . . . I may have to go see this movie in the theaters just so that I can bust out some old-man rage.

[Scapemage]

Just curious but who is the Red guy?

Azazel (http://www.comicvine.com/azazel/29-40526/)

EDIT: :ninja: That's what happens when you get distracted on facebook.
Speaking of FB (which I'm on right now), who has a Facebook? This conversation might better be had over PM though.

[tcglkn]

Obviously I have one. :D

[Lord Pyre]

I think most of us have Facebooks, and I'm friends with quite a few of the C3G crew already. :p

[Griffin]

That is Banshee, and Azazel is Nightcrawler's Demon Father and Mystique is his mother.

[johnny139]

You know I was tlaking to my friend who works at my local game store, and he was talking about how they actually invented X-Men for the movie. t's not actually Nightcrawler, it's Nightcrawler's "son". And that's not Banshee either.

How could it be Nightcrawler's son if Nightcrawler was in the first movies and this one is like forty years beforehand...?

Having Havok in it despite his being Cyclops's baby brother is the only real oddity I spotted, but I don't mind tinkering like that.

[Griffin]

How about Professor X losing his legs at the end.... yet he was walking in the Wolverine Movie (20 years later).

Or, how about how Emma Frost is a grown woman in this film but in the Wolverine movie she was just a girl.

The time lines of these films and continuity is a hack job, and I don't respect it one bit.

[johnny139]

I like to pretend there wasn't a Wolverine movie, and I'm guessing the producers feel the same way. :p

[Scapemage]

You know I was tlaking to my friend who works at my local game store, and he was talking about how they actually invented X-Men for the movie. t's not actually Nightcrawler, it's Nightcrawler's "son". And that's not Banshee either.

How could it be Nightcrawler's son if Nightcrawler was in the first movies and this one is like forty years beforehand...?

Having Havok in it despite his being Cyclops's baby brother is the only real oddity I spotted, but I don't mind tinkering like that.
I did mean father, I just oculdn't remember what my friend had said. He also mentioned this person with powers of some person I don't know who was fake. I think they had web feet or something.

[Hidicul]

You forgot one Griff. What about Hank being covered in blue fur on a first class movie? It wasn't until years later after a failed experment to cure himself that he got blue fur. That was the hold up I spotted in the previews for it, and the reason I'll wait until it's out on DVD before I see it.

[Shingotink]

FYI there are no continuity issues with any of the other X-Men movies as it is a reboot and not a prequel.

I found this out after I saw the movie but still found it quite enjoyable even with what I thought were continuity issues with the other films.

I tend to forgive issues that don't quite fit with the comics continuity since the mediums are so different and have to be treated as such, unless they are just ridiculously stupid like Deadpool in the Wolverine movie (or that whole movie for that matter).:roll:

IMDB FAQ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1270798/faq#.2.1.4)
Does "X-Men: First Class" share the same continuity as the previous X-Men films?



While the film was initially conceived as a prequel in the early pre-production stage, the studio soon after decided to go in the direction of a reboot instead.

Director Matthew Vaughn has stated X-Men: First Class is discarding the previous continuity and creating a new film series. He connects X-Men: First Class to other reboots. The official website does not list First Class as a prequel, but only as an origin film. Therefore X-Men: First Class may be seen as a reboot.

SuperHeroHype: "When you were in New York six years ago for "Layer Cake," you were already well into development on the third "X-Men" movie and you had a lot of great ideas that sounded cool, then you left that. And now you're back, so what was the biggest factor in convincing you to do another movie? Was it the story or Bryan Singer's involvement?"

Matthew Vaughn: "Unfinished business, that's what inspired me. I was totally excited about doing "X3" and basically co-wrote the script with (Simon) Kinberg and Zak Penn. We did that in six days together, and then storyboarded the whole movie, prevised all the big sequences, and then like an idiot, thought that I didn't have enough time to make the film I wanted, so I had to leave. I sort of regretted that ever since, and when Fox rang me up and said, "Do you want a chance to reboot X-Men and put your stamp all over it?" When they told me that, I thought they were joking at first, and then they told me it would happen in the '60s against the Cuban missile crisis as the backdrop, I thought, "God, this sounds cool. Why not? Let's do it." Source (http://www.superherohype.com/features/articles/167401-exclusive-interview-with-x-men-first-class-director-matthew-vaughn)

MV: "My main goal was to make as good a film that could stand on its own two feet regardless of all the other films. However I thought anything that worked in all the other movies, and I could have some fun with nodding towards, I would. But my main rule was, You know what, were trying to reboot and start a whole new X-Men franchise and therefore, making a film work on its own two feet was far more important than trying to be referential to the prior movies." Source] (http://www.slashfilm.com/film-interview-xmen-class-director-matthew-vaughn/)

MV:"Obviously [Abrams] couldnt make everyone happy with that one, but he did a pretty good job He made a fantastically exciting reinvention of that world, with those great characters. And I think there will be comparisons a little bit with X-Men: First Class. Its very similar, in a way. But were doing some cool stuff in this movie, some really cool stuff that you havent seen before." Source (http://movies.ign.com/articles/110/1109996p1.html)

MV: "It's not like the other X-Men movies which I think is important. I think they need to sort of take on a new... you know, what 'Batman Begins' did for all those Batman movies? We bloody well need it. I'm not saying it's going to be as good as Batman Begins, but it's the same sort of attitude," he said. Source (http://uk.movies.ign.com/articles/115/1153951p1.html)

Here is the official websites plot synopsis: "X-Men: First Class charts the epic beginning of the X-Men saga, and reveals a secret history of famous global events. Before mutants had revealed themselves to the world, and before Charles Xavier and Erik Lensherr took the names Professor X and Magneto, they were two young men discovering their powers for the first time. Not archenemies, they were instead at first the closest of friends, working together with other Mutants (some familiar, some new), to stop Armageddon. In the process, a grave rift between them opened, which began the eternal war between Magnetos Brotherhood and Professor Xs X-Men." Notice it does not state it is a "prequel", but only a beginning. If the film was a "prequel" Fox could easily have inserted the word into the plot synopsis. "Beginning" is the term used for reboots and new film series.

[Griffin]

You forgot one Griff. What about Hank being covered in blue fur on a first class movie? It wasn't until years later after a failed experment to cure himself that he got blue fur. That was the hold up I spotted in the previews for it, and the reason I'll wait until it's out on DVD before I see it.That is a congruent issue between the movie and the comics, that is to be expected. But that is entirely different from continuity issues within the movies themselves.

FYI there are no continuity issues with any of the other X-Men movies as it is a reboot and not a prequel.

I found this out after I saw the movie but still found it quite enjoyable even with what I thought were continuity issues with the other films.

I tend to forgive issues that don't quite fit with the comics continuity since the mediums are so different and have to be treated as such, unless they are just ridiculously stupid like Deadpool in the Wolverine movie (or that whole movie for that matter).:roll:

IMDB FAQ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1270798/faq#.2.1.4)
Does "X-Men: First Class" share the same continuity as the previous X-Men films?



While the film was initially conceived as a prequel in the early pre-production stage, the studio soon after decided to go in the direction of a reboot instead.

Director Matthew Vaughn has stated X-Men: First Class is discarding the previous continuity and creating a new film series. He connects X-Men: First Class to other reboots. The official website does not list First Class as a prequel, but only as an origin film. Therefore X-Men: First Class may be seen as a reboot.

SuperHeroHype: "When you were in New York six years ago for "Layer Cake," you were already well into development on the third "X-Men" movie and you had a lot of great ideas that sounded cool, then you left that. And now you're back, so what was the biggest factor in convincing you to do another movie? Was it the story or Bryan Singer's involvement?"

Matthew Vaughn: "Unfinished business, that's what inspired me. I was totally excited about doing "X3" and basically co-wrote the script with (Simon) Kinberg and Zak Penn. We did that in six days together, and then storyboarded the whole movie, prevised all the big sequences, and then like an idiot, thought that I didn't have enough time to make the film I wanted, so I had to leave. I sort of regretted that ever since, and when Fox rang me up and said, "Do you want a chance to reboot X-Men and put your stamp all over it?" When they told me that, I thought they were joking at first, and then they told me it would happen in the '60s against the Cuban missile crisis as the backdrop, I thought, "God, this sounds cool. Why not? Let's do it." Source (http://www.superherohype.com/features/articles/167401-exclusive-interview-with-x-men-first-class-director-matthew-vaughn)

MV: "My main goal was to make as good a film that could stand on its own two feet regardless of all the other films. However I thought anything that worked in all the other movies, and I could have some fun with nodding towards, I would. But my main rule was, You know what, were trying to reboot and start a whole new X-Men franchise and therefore, making a film work on its own two feet was far more important than trying to be referential to the prior movies." Source] (http://www.slashfilm.com/film-interview-xmen-class-director-matthew-vaughn/)

MV:"Obviously [Abrams] couldnt make everyone happy with that one, but he did a pretty good job He made a fantastically exciting reinvention of that world, with those great characters. And I think there will be comparisons a little bit with X-Men: First Class. Its very similar, in a way. But were doing some cool stuff in this movie, some really cool stuff that you havent seen before." Source (http://movies.ign.com/articles/110/1109996p1.html)

MV: "It's not like the other X-Men movies which I think is important. I think they need to sort of take on a new... you know, what 'Batman Begins' did for all those Batman movies? We bloody well need it. I'm not saying it's going to be as good as Batman Begins, but it's the same sort of attitude," he said. Source (http://uk.movies.ign.com/articles/115/1153951p1.html)

Here is the official websites plot synopsis: "X-Men: First Class charts the epic beginning of the X-Men saga, and reveals a secret history of famous global events. Before mutants had revealed themselves to the world, and before Charles Xavier and Erik Lensherr took the names Professor X and Magneto, they were two young men discovering their powers for the first time. Not archenemies, they were instead at first the closest of friends, working together with other Mutants (some familiar, some new), to stop Armageddon. In the process, a grave rift between them opened, which began the eternal war between Magnetos Brotherhood and Professor Xs X-Men." Notice it does not state it is a "prequel", but only a beginning. If the film was a "prequel" Fox could easily have inserted the word into the plot synopsis. "Beginning" is the term used for reboots and new film series.
:bs: They are saving face with all their continuity issues. It was originally pitched as a prequel, and they even have film footage from the first X-Men movie, along with a cameo from a VERY well known character/actor from all the X-Men movies and even the Wolverine movie.

[tcglkn]

You forgot one Griff. What about Hank being covered in blue fur on a first class movie? It wasn't until years later after a failed experment to cure himself that he got blue fur. That was the hold up I spotted in the previews for it, and the reason I'll wait until it's out on DVD before I see it.That is a congruent issue between the movie and the comics, that is to be expected. But that is entirely different from continuity issues within the movies themselves.


Not to spoil the movie but:
That's how he got the fur in the movie, they just skipped the years later part and had him anxious to try a cure.

[Flame Gryphon]

You forgot one Griff. What about Hank being covered in blue fur on a first class movie? It wasn't until years later after a failed experment to cure himself that he got blue fur. That was the hold up I spotted in the previews for it, and the reason I'll wait until it's out on DVD before I see it.That is a congruent issue between the movie and the comics, that is to be expected. But that is entirely different from continuity issues within the movies themselves.


Not to spoil the movie but:
That's how he got the fur in the movie, they just skipped the years later part and had him anxious to try a cure.

Not sure that's really a spoiler, I mean they show it in a few of the trailers even. :shrug:

[IAmBatman]

If the movie is truly intended to be a reboot and not a sequel, they've done a **** poor job of marketing it as such. In fact, their lack of desire to reboot instead of doing a prequel after the first four lackluster movies (Wolverine included) is one big reason I'm not going to the theater to see this.
But even if it is a reboot, it's the start of another ill conceived franchise if their version of the "first class" has so little to do with the original five we know and love.
I mean doing a Fantastic Four reboot where the four are She-Hulk, Ant Man, Human Torch, and Sub-Mariner would be interesting, but it wouldn't be the Fantastic Four and I wouldn't really be keen on an entire franchise of that or have much hope for the future of the franchise.
Same case here.
Oh, also, they're totally trying to have their cake and eat it too with this whole reboot/prequel thing and talking out of both sides of their mouth and that just doesn't get me interested. Total lack of artistic integrity, IMO.

[Good Pig]

Everything you guys are saying is completely true...but I still enjoyed it. :D

[Griffin]

To be honest, I sorta enjoyed it too, but it is still EXTREMELY far off from where Hollyweird needs to take X-Men.

[tcglkn]

I guess I'm weird cause I just go to the movies to watch that one movie and forget about all the continualities and what not for a while. I just enjoy the movie as a movie.

[IAmBatman]

I'm not saying the movie's not enjoyable. It sounds like it is - I haven't seen it. I'm just saying it's disappointing that they're being so dismissive of years of iconic comic book history for no real reason. Would having Cyclops, Iceman, Jean Grey, and Angel along with Beast, Azrael (he's old enough), Emma Frost, and Mystique really have ruined the movie?

[Balantai]

I'm not saying the movie's not enjoyable. It sounds like it is - I haven't seen it. I'm just saying it's disappointing that they're being so dismissive of years of iconic comic book history for no real reason. Would having Cyclops, Iceman, Jean Grey, and Angel along with Beast, Azrael (he's old enough), Emma Frost, and Mystique really have ruined the movie?
That's just too many characters. It's already impossible to develop the characters that are in the current movie. It's why this Avengers movie has the best chance of success. Each of the major players will have their own movie to develop their character.

[Good Pig]

Also they probably wanted to swap out characters that have seen a lot of screen time already like Wolverine, Cyclops and Jean Grey and showcase some other X-Men that might not be as popular, but haven't been in an X movie yet. Like Banshee and Havok.

[IAmBatman]

I'm not saying the movie's not enjoyable. It sounds like it is - I haven't seen it. I'm just saying it's disappointing that they're being so dismissive of years of iconic comic book history for no real reason. Would having Cyclops, Iceman, Jean Grey, and Angel along with Beast, Azrael (he's old enough), Emma Frost, and Mystique really have ruined the movie?
That's just too many characters. It's already impossible to develop the characters that are in the current movie. It's why this Avengers movie has the best chance of success. Each of the major players will have their own movie to develop their character.

Well then why not cut Azrael and Emma Frost? Ensemble casts can be done well if they're written correctly. Not every character has to have the spotlight shown on them and have tons of huge character moments. Cyclops over Havok and Angel over that bug lady would've left you only needing to fit in Jean Grey (over Emma - no reason not to wait and introduce her later) and Iceman in (over Azrael would be fine).

Also they probably wanted to swap out characters that have seen a lot of screen time already like Wolverine, Cyclops and Jean Grey and showcase some other X-Men that might not be as popular, but haven't been in an X movie yet. Like Banshee and Havok.

But why? If it's truly a reboot, that is (back to the having their cake and eating it too argument). If I was going to reboot Batman, I'm not putting Dick Grayson in the suit. Not because I can't tell an interesting and compelling story about Dick Grayson in the suit, but because if I'm going to start a franchise fresh and tell the compelling, iconic stories that it's based on to establish its world, I'm going to do it with the characters that fit into that iconic world.
I guess one rational argument I can think of is that they wanted to do it as a period piece in the sixties and then move to more modern times with some of the more popular characters like Cyclops, Jean Grey, etc. But that still makes the choice of Havok really odd.

[Balantai]

I'm not saying the movie's not enjoyable. It sounds like it is - I haven't seen it. I'm just saying it's disappointing that they're being so dismissive of years of iconic comic book history for no real reason. Would having Cyclops, Iceman, Jean Grey, and Angel along with Beast, Azrael (he's old enough), Emma Frost, and Mystique really have ruined the movie?
That's just too many characters. It's already impossible to develop the characters that are in the current movie. It's why this Avengers movie has the best chance of success. Each of the major players will have their own movie to develop their character.

Well then why not cut Azrael and Emma Frost? Ensemble casts can be done well if they're written correctly. Not every character has to have the spotlight shown on them and have tons of huge character moments. Cyclops over Havok and Angel over that bug lady would've left you only needing to fit in Jean Grey (over Emma - no reason not to wait and introduce her later) and Iceman in (over Azrael would be fine).

Ensemble casts are rarely done well...especially within the superhero genre where character development is so important. It's also why I really don't think I'll enjoy this movie. There are far too many characters being introduced. On the other hand, I don't really care if they don't develop all the characters, just don't expect the care about them or get upset when they steal screen time from the charaters I do care about. But the fact that they're selling this movie as X-Men: First Class, I'm just assuming that the primary focus of this movie will be the X-Men: "First Class"...which there are far to many of for me to care about in a 2 hr movie.

So in a way, I think you're preaching to the choir.

[Spidey'tilIDie]

Without revealing a bunch of plot: shouldn't a bunch of heroic mutants have to face off with a bunch of villainous mutants? Yes, there are a ton of Mutants intro'd in the film, but they are on both sides and I think it is safe to say the villains were picked carefully for their use in the plot and how they match-up in the fights. Honestly, I think Vaughn did a great job rebooting the franchise with some slight nods to the old movies. I also think that had FOX allowed this to go back to Marvel, we would have seen the X-Men movie we have always wanted. Studio Execs will always think they are smarter than Comic Book writers, they have a problem thinking anyone may know more than them.

P.S. As a Life mantra, I pretend Daredevil, Elektra, X-Men: Last Stand, and Wolverine:Origins don't exist. It helps me sleep at night.

[IAmBatman]

I can't think of an X-Men movie that's been released thus far that really exists for me. Not one I'll add to my DVD collection, anyhow.

[Lord Pyre]

Does anyone have the Storm figure? I have her (Two of them, actually), and I can't get either one off of her flying stand!!! I thought the first one may have been glued to it, but what are the odds of getting TWO glued to the base? This is getting frustrating. :p

[tcglkn]

Does anyone have the Storm figure? I have her (Two of them, actually), and I can't get either one off of her flying stand!!! I thought the first one may have been glued to it, but what are the odds of getting TWO glued to the base? This is getting frustrating. :p

I'll take one of those off your hands if you are annoyed by it. ;) I don't have the mini that is on the card.

[Lord Pyre]

Does anyone have the Storm figure? I have her (Two of them, actually), and I can't get either one off of her flying stand!!! I thought the first one may have been glued to it, but what are the odds of getting TWO glued to the base? This is getting frustrating. :p

I'll take one of those off your hands if you are annoyed by it. ;) I don't have the mini that is on the card.

If you want to trade, sure! I just want to figure out how I can rebase her, first. :p

[tcglkn]

Does anyone have the Storm figure? I have her (Two of them, actually), and I can't get either one off of her flying stand!!! I thought the first one may have been glued to it, but what are the odds of getting TWO glued to the base? This is getting frustrating. :p

I'll take one of those off your hands if you are annoyed by it. ;) I don't have the mini that is on the card.

If you want to trade, sure! I just want to figure out how I can rebase her, first. :p

Cut off the peg and use lots of super glue. I did that with a few figures.

[quozl]

Or cut off the flying stand right where the peg ends then shave away the flying stand from the peg.

[Longy418]

That is how I did mine, although be careful of her ankle as mine has become a little more bendy than normal.

[Xn F M]

Does anyone have the Storm figure? I have her (Two of them, actually), and I can't get either one off of her flying stand!!! I thought the first one may have been glued to it, but what are the odds of getting TWO glued to the base? This is getting frustrating. :p

Mine doesn't come out either. I think they may be glued in at the factory . . . . Personally, I'm just going to trim her flying stand down to the third ridge and attach that to the base (I do this with all of my figures who are in poses that look like they're supposed to be flying. Guys like Killowog, Chronos, Mr. Myxlspitlx, Modok, etc . . . .)

[Flame Gryphon]

That is how I did mine, although be careful of her ankle as mine has become a little more bendy than normal.

Mine came with her bent so her right arm was pointing straight at the ground, and she was facing behind her. I ended up snapping her off of her foot and gluing her back on correctly. Bendier than before, but it at least looks normal.

[IAmBatman]

At this point I just keep a lot of them on the flying stand if they're too tough to base without the flying stand.

[streaky2007]

If your Storm figure has been pre-glued, chip away at it with an Xacto knife for a while and it will fall off.
Then drill a little hole in one of your official C3G bases and try and push the peg in. If it's too tight, wiggle the drill around a bit more. Repeat the process until the peg is a snug fit. Then remove the peg, cover it in superglue and put it back in. Leave to set for a couple of minutes.

I've done all my flying figures this way and they look great and are much more stable than chopping the peg off. I'll post some pics of my rebased figures one day. They look great.

[johnny139]

I'm VERY glad HeroClix has done away with the flight stands in recent releases. Unfortunately there's been an increase in "white noise" on the bases... but, not a bad trade-off.

On a more personal note, high school graduation today! Huzzah for the future and such. Of course it starts raining like all hell at the end... I'm sure there's symbolism in there somewhere.

[tcglkn]

Hey guys my little sister (16) just left for a 2 week mission trip to Botswana, Africa. If you guys could keep her in your prayers that would be awesome. Thanks.

[Griffin]

I pray she returns safely.

[IAmBatman]

Will do. :-)

[Margloth]

http://s3.amazonaws.com/images.hitfix.com/assets/836/SupermanNumberOne2011PT.jpg

Discuss.

Better? Worse? Indifferent?

[IAmBatman]

They need to put an "F" up there before the "AIL" on the crumbling globe. :-P

Edit: In seriousness, though, I'm not anti-change or innovation, I'm really not. I just don't see the insistence on change for change's sake. If they were changing something to actually make it better that'd be cool ... but does anyone really feel that's the case here?

[johnny139]

Yeah, pretty dang ugly. He needs the goofy red underpants and spandex... skintight armor (is that even what that is?) is just dumb. Honestly, the Action Comics outfit looks better...

http://i.imgur.com/4F1fv.jpg

...and that's a pretty dumb looking costume. :p

[Margloth]

It doesn't really seem to be a major change, I don't have a huge problem with it. My only question would be, "Why bother?"

I have more of a problem with the fact that he looks very young, almost Superboy-esque here.

Also, for some reason, without the red undies I can't stop looking at his junk. What does that say about me?

[LordEsenwienIV]

Also, for some reason, without the red undies I can't stop looking at his junk. What does that say about me?

Well personally speaking when something is different and with my "extreme level of education" when something difference my mind always tries to find the change and tries to see whether it likes it or not. That's just me personally.

[quozl]

I like it.

[Margloth]

Also of note: according to this site...

http://www.nextmovie.com/blog/avengers-villain/

...the Avengers will face THANOS !?! in the 2012 film. Didn't see that one coming...

[IAmBatman]

Very interesting ... I'd heard Loki manipulating an alien invasion ... I'd assumed Skrull for that, but maybe not?

[johnny139]

Still in the rumor stages, but it makes sense. I figured the Skrulls would make sense, but maybe they're tied up in the Fantastic Four deal? But speaking of Avengers...

http://i.imgur.com/Y3tnp.jpg

...first poster! Lookin' pretty snazzy, though I do wish they had Black Panther in the mix.

[IAmBatman]

Is that an actual official poster? It's cool, but kind of looks like a fan made photo shop deal.

[johnny139]

I can't verify 100%, but it's evidently from an INTERNATIONAL MARKETING SUMMIT (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=39378) thing.

[GamerHusband]

I have a question. I recently started my own custom comic thread. As of right now I have had ZERO comments.:confused: I was hoping to get a few comments like these suck or these are cool, but I didn't expect to get zero feedback. I am still holding back from posting the designs in the our own public design post until I've a least played them in an actual game. How can I draw more attention?

[Good Pig]

I have a question. I recently started my own custom comic thread. As of right now I have had ZERO comments.:confused: I was hoping to get a few comments like these suck or these are cool, but I didn't expect to get zero feedback. I am still holding back from posting the designs in the our own public design post until I've a least played them in an actual game. How can I draw more attention?

I'd just go ahead and post it in the Public Design thread. Things can be tweaked an collaborated on there too. :)

[tcglkn]

A link in your signature and in the A-Z of comics customs thread can go a long way.

[IAmBatman]

I have a question. I recently started my own custom comic thread. As of right now I have had ZERO comments.:confused: I was hoping to get a few comments like these suck or these are cool, but I didn't expect to get zero feedback. I am still holding back from posting the designs in the our own public design post until I've a least played them in an actual game. How can I draw more attention?

How many other custom designers have you posted comments in the threads of? How long has your thread been up? How active are you in it and how often do you bump it? Where else is it linked (see Tickle's comments)? How often are you posting in NM24?
If you have your customs thread linked to your sig and you're an active part of commenting on other people's work, as long as you're patient and consistent with your own project as well, the comments will come in.
It's a "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" kinda world, though. :-)

[GamerHusband]

Thanks for the help. I have never thought about links in my signature. This is something I will start right away. I'm trying to take the month of June to really start trying to get involved with design. I will certainly look at the MN24 and A-Z threads more closely to see how I can help myself more.:)

[Karat]

NM24 is actually kind of dead at the moment.

[IAmBatman]

Doesn't mean that some concerted effort or posting there can't resurrect it. :-) When I first started posting in the Marvel customs section, I had my one little thread and I was about the only one posting there (one of the reasons they made me a Mod so early on) and I'd just bump my own thread more and more. Then guys like Allskulls and Eclipse started posting their own customs threads and we'd start to post long reviews of each others' customs in each others' threads and it went from there.
Our initial conversations in each others' threads grew into TNT which eventually grew into NM24 which eventually grew into C3G.
So even if it feels like you're talking to yourself sometimes, if you keep talking, you can do pretty great things. :-) You won't be talking to yourself forever - there are far too many cool people on this site.

[Balantai]

Doesn't mean that some concerted effort or posting there can't resurrect it. :-) When I first started posting in the Marvel customs section, I had my one little thread and I was about the only one posting there (one of the reasons they made me a Mod so early on) and I'd just bump my own thread more and more. Then guys like Allskulls and Eclipse started posting their own customs threads and we'd start to post long reviews of each others' customs in each others' threads and it went from there.
Our initial conversations in each others' threads grew into TNT which eventually grew into NM24 which eventually grew into C3G.
So even if it feels like you're talking to yourself sometimes, if you keep talking, you can do pretty great things. :-) You won't be talking to yourself forever - there are far too many cool people on this site.

:grandfather:

[IAmBatman]

Yep ... I've been around for a while ... :-P
In other news, anybody else starting to get really excited about Green Lantern? :-D

[Balantai]

Yep ... I've been around for a while ... :-P
In other news, anybody else starting to get really excited about Green Lantern? :-D
I am. I'm a bit worried that it might be too campy, though. I really hope I'm wrong, though.

[IAmBatman]

Agreed. Ghost Rider in space would be awful ... I can't think of the last time I was more excited and nervous to see a movie at the same time! :-)

[quozl]

Doesn't mean that some concerted effort or posting there can't resurrect it. :-)

I performed a miracle!

[johnny139]

In other news, anybody else starting to get really excited about Green Lantern? :-D

Forget Thor, forget X-Men, forget Green Lantern, I'm foaming at the mouth for Captain America. Just a little over a month away... I'm ready for some good old fashioned Nazi-punching action. :D

[Good Pig]

In other news, anybody else starting to get really excited about Green Lantern? :-D

Forget Thor, forget X-Men, forget Green Lantern, I'm foaming at the mouth for Captain America. Just a little over a month away... I'm ready for some good old fashioned Nazi-punching action. :D

:word: Although I'll see all of them. :)

[Griffin]

In other news, anybody else starting to get really excited about Green Lantern? :-D

Forget Thor, forget X-Men, forget Green Lantern, I'm foaming at the mouth for Captain America. Just a little over a month away... I'm ready for some good old fashioned Nazi-punching action. :D
Me too. I can't wait for the Nazis to punch the crap out of Captain American't. :p

[IAmBatman]

That's just un-American! :-P I think a Skrull has taken over Griffin! :-D

[Margloth]

Uh oh, guys.

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/20876/first-green-lantern-reviews-emerge

Honestly I was a little worried about this after seeing some lazy acting in the trailer. Hopefully this is all unfounded.

[quozl]

Same as Tomb Raider? I love that movie!

[Margloth]

Actually, I didn't think the first one was too bad either... of course it's been a while since I saw it.

[quozl]

The 2nd one wasn't very good but both me and my wife love the first one.

[Scapemage]

Off topic here, but I have an announcement regarding how much time I will be able to spend on the forums for the next few months.

Just click here. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qga5eONXU_4)

[quozl]

So, not much then?

[Scapemage]

So, not much then?
:roll: You graduated how long ago?

[quozl]

Let's see... graduated high school 21 years ago.

Back then, when we had summers off, we didn't waste it on computers either. There was biking, basketball, fishing, and general mayhem to be done!

[Scapemage]

Oh I'm not wasting it on a computer, just saying I have time.

[Griffin]

Let's see... graduated high school 21 years ago.

Back then, when we had summers off, we didn't waste it on computers either. There was biking, basketball, fishing, and general mayhem to be done!
11 years ago for me, and we pretty much partied and raised hell all summer long until we ran out of graduation money.... then we got jobs and/or went back to school. :lol:

[quozl]

Let's see... graduated high school 21 years ago.

Back then, when we had summers off, we didn't waste it on computers either. There was biking, basketball, fishing, and general mayhem to be done!
11 years ago for me, and we pretty much partied and raised hell all summer long until we ran out of graduation money.... then we got jobs and/or went back to school. :lol:

You got money? Born with a silver spoon too? :)

I was actually talking about my middle school days for Scape's benefit and I guess I graduated middle school 25 years ago. A quarter century!

[Griffin]

Let's see... graduated high school 21 years ago.

Back then, when we had summers off, we didn't waste it on computers either. There was biking, basketball, fishing, and general mayhem to be done!
11 years ago for me, and we pretty much partied and raised hell all summer long until we ran out of graduation money.... then we got jobs and/or went back to school. :lol:

You got money? Born with a silver spoon too? :)

I was actually talking about my middle school days for Scape's benefit and I guess I graduated middle school 25 years ago. A quarter century!
Silver Spoon. :lol:

[IAmBatman]

They had computers 21 years ago, quozl? :-P

[Scapemage]

Back from Grad! I had much fun.

[SirGalahad]

They had computers 21 years ago, quozl? :-P
If by computer, you mean abacus, yes we did. :lol:

[tcglkn]

I love having a large family. I got so much spending money for graduating I won't have to work until the end of my freshman year at least. :D

[johnny139]

I'd like to say the same thing, but I've got $15,000 to pay (and that's after grants and scholarships and loans!), so I doubt I'll have an excess of spending money, gifts or no gifts!

[tcglkn]

I'm very fortunate and my parent's are paying me through college as long as I keep my grades up. :)

[johnny139]

Hey, guys, check this out - MAJOR deal. Free month's subscription to Marvel's online comics library (like 8000+ comics), no credit card info or anything like that needed. Go HERE (https://subscriptions.marvel.com/v3/pages/pg_digitalcomicssubscribe.php), input this coupon code: CAP734. And enjoy.

I'm more of a print man myself, but this is a KILLER opportunity and I just thought I'd share it.

*off to read Runaways*

[Longy418]

For the South West Washington area C3G fan I am going to host a C3G-Marvel get together the 27th or 28th of June, depending on which date gets a better response. You don't have to bring anything, I will provide. Unfortunately the get together can't be done over the weekend so anybody that would like to come let me know if Monday or Tuesday works, (Tuesday would most likely work best for me, and anytime after 2 o'clock) and what time would work as well. And to Karat and Hidicul, it is unfortunate also but neither my brother or I will be able to drive you down but would love to have you make it and you guys are always welcome. I will start a thread in the events section soon. Thanks. And thank you to all the C3G participants that have created the Super fun.

[Griffin]

Hey, guys, check this out - MAJOR deal. Free month's subscription to Marvel's online comics library (like 8000+ comics), no credit card info or anything like that needed. Go HERE (https://subscriptions.marvel.com/v3/pages/pg_digitalcomicssubscribe.php), input this coupon code: CAP734. And enjoy.

I'm more of a print man myself, but this is a KILLER opportunity and I just thought I'd share it.

*off to read Runaways*Awesome!

For the South West Washington area C3G fan I am going to host a C3G-Marvel get together the 27th or 28th of June, depending on which date gets a better response. You don't have to bring anything, I will provide. Unfortunately the get together can't be done over the weekend so anybody that would like to come let me know if Monday or Tuesday works, (Tuesday would most likely work best for me, and anytime after 2 o'clock) and what time would work as well. And to Karat and Hidicul, it is unfortunate also but neither my brother or I will be able to drive you down but would love to have you make it and you guys are always welcome. I will start a thread in the events section soon. Thanks. And thank you to all the C3G participants that have created the Super fun.... and Awesome!

[Skeeter700]

Thanks for the code Johnny139.

I've been thinking about trying Marvel Online for a few weeks now and with DC announcing their going day and date, I've really been considering going 100 percent digital. You see, my closest comic retailer is over 1 1/2 hours away and shipping prices in Canada are nuts.

Anyways, I appreciate the chance to try out the new format.

[IAmBatman]

Man - I'm loving all the love C3G is getting in the Northwest! :-) What's the deal here, East Coasters? We've gotta catch up. :-P (Though I know Scapey had a get together, right? Or is that still in the future?)

[Karat]

It's just because we're awesome, thouh I am considering eventually coming out your way :razz:

[tcglkn]

It's just because we're awesome, thouh I am considering eventually coming out your way :razz:

Hit me up. I still need to get together with Griffin.

[Karat]

It's just because we're awesome, thouh I am considering eventually coming out your way :razz:

Hit me up. I still need to get together with Griffin.
You know I will, I probably try and get together with everyone that I can over there as well, when I do get to make that trip, though I might just consider relocating, or however you spell it, over there. That'll depend on schools or jobs though.

[Griffin]

It's just because we're awesome, thouh I am considering eventually coming out your way :razz:

Hit me up. I still need to get together with Griffin.
How about this Sunday?

[Lord Pyre]

Man - I'm loving all the love C3G is getting in the Northwest! :-) What's the deal here, East Coasters? We've gotta catch up. :-P (Though I know Scapey had a get together, right? Or is that still in the future?)

The east coast is more lively than the midwest. I'm pretty lonely out here. :p

[tcglkn]

It's just because we're awesome, thouh I am considering eventually coming out your way :razz:

Hit me up. I still need to get together with Griffin.
How about this Sunday?

It is Father's Day, I think I should spend it with my Dad. :p

Next week I am going to my sister's basketball tournament and I am not sure what is going on after than. I'll keep you updated.

[Griffin]

It's just because we're awesome, thouh I am considering eventually coming out your way :razz:

Hit me up. I still need to get together with Griffin.
How about this Sunday?

It is Father's Day, I think I should spend it with my Dad. :p

Next week I am going to my sister's basketball tournament and I am not sure what is going on after than. I'll keep you updated.
All these dumb holiday's are so overrated. You see him everyday.... :p

[tcglkn]

Alright I'll remember not to wish you happy Father's Day. I don't think he'll want to be abandoned by both his children on Father's Day.

[A3n]

:cry: Nobody comes to visit me :cry:

[tcglkn]

:cry: Nobody comes to visit me :cry:

One day I'll make it down there buddy. My family just decided not to make the trip this summer with my sister going to Africa, me going to college and what not.

[Balantai]

:cry: Nobody comes to visit me :cry:
You got to play Heroscape and hang with Whitestuff. That's a pleasure many of us envy.

[A3n]

:cry: Nobody comes to visit me :cry:
You got to play Heroscape and hang with Whitestuff. That's a pleasure many of us envy.

That was soooooo, long ago it doesn't count. :cry:

[IAmBatman]

I ... met Sherman Davies once ... and Skyknight once. That's it, though. :-P

[SirGalahad]

I've played against lonewolf and Cavalier.

[tcglkn]

Just wanted to wish a great retired Hero, Hahma, a happy birthday.

[CharosInCharge]

Happy bday Hahma!

[LordEsenwienIV]

Happy Birthday Hahma!

[SirGalahad]

You know he's only semi-retired, right? :wink:
Have a great one, sir.

[Hahma]

Just wanted to wish a great retired Hero, Hahma, a happy birthday.

Happy bday Hahma!

Happy Birthday Hahma!

You know he's only semi-retired, right? :wink:
Have a great one, sir.

Isn't it your birthday too Tickle? Happy Birthday to you too if that's the case. :D

Thank you all gentlemen. I'm 44 today and still kicking :D I get to put up the big blue pool (16' diameter by 4' deep) today, before the storms come in later. We've had it stored all winter, so hopefully there are no surprising tears or whatnot that I have to deal with. I do have to get more sand to help level it, but at least I don't have to dig out the yard and level it with a boat load of sand like I did last year. I covered the area with tarps through the winter to keep the sand from getting blown all over and more importantly, keeping the dogs from tearing it up.

Last weekend I spent 12 hours putting up a 10'x10' gazebo on our deck that should have taken 1 1/2 hours. The problem was that the posts near the house were too tall (by 2 inches) for the soffet that overhung the deck. So I had to cut out parts of the deck and build supporting platforms under it for each post 3 inches lower than the top of the deck. Then anchor the posts to that and build supports on that so I could lay the decking back in place around the posts and have it look right again. Since our deck is on the south side of the house and gets full sun exposure and our patio table umbrella was broken, the wife wanted this gazebo to be able to hang outside and get some shade when it was really hot. It's nice and it's nicer now that it's done. :D

Thanks again for the Happy Birthdays fellas. Happy Fathers Day to all you fathers out there. :D

[IAmBatman]

Happy birthday Hahma and Tickle! :-)

[Griffin]

Happy Birthday Hahma and Tickle! :toast:

[tcglkn]

Thank you guys. I turned 18 today so I am quite a bit younger than Hahma. I guess that means I have quite a bit to learn as well. :D

[SirGalahad]

The first step on the road to recovery is admitting you have a problem.
:lol:

[A3n]

The first step on the road to recovery is admitting you have a problem.
:lol:

:rofl:

[tcglkn]

What problem? :p

I'm not addicted. I can quit anytime I want. ;)

[Flame Gryphon]

Happy Birthday to you both! :D

[Margloth]

Happy Father's Day to all you dads out there! Play some Superhero Scape with the kids (and show 'em who's boss!) :)

[Griffin]

Happy Fathers Day to all the papas today.

I am going out for steak dinner :GO_MEAT: then my wife and kids are making me my FAVORITE dessert: German Chocolate Cake! :drool: And of course there will be beer.... oh yes, there will be beer. :toast:

[tcglkn]

I had a steak dinner last night for my birthday. There was no German chocolate cake though. :( Or beer...

[LordEsenwienIV]

Happy Father's Day to all you dads out there and Happy Birthday Tickle!

[Karat]

Happy Father's Day everyone.

I'd also like to thank everyone for their prayers during this difficult time for my family, It really means a lot.

[A3n]

I'm guessing German Chocolate Cake isn't just Chocolate Cake made in Germany, so what is it & how is it different from normal Chocolate Cake?

[Xn F M]

I'm guessing German Chocolate Cake isn't just Chocolate Cake made in Germany, so what is it & how is it different from normal Chocolate Cake?

I think it's just the coconut frosting that makes it German Chocolate Cake, but I don't know if there's anything else that supposed to be done differently to make it a German Chocolate Cake.

[davidlhsl]

I'm guessing German Chocolate Cake isn't just Chocolate Cake made in Germany, so what is it & how is it different from normal Chocolate Cake?

The icing! I'm not much of a cake person, but I love German Chocolate cake because of that wonderful icing with coconut and pecans.

I prefer pies to cakes. Favorite is probably pecan pie. I also like key lime pie and strawberry pie.

Least favorite desserts are the chocolate overkill desserts. I like chocolate, especially dark chocolate, but some desserts with chocolate on top of chocolate are too rich for me.

My favorite dessert in a restaurant is probably creme brulee. It's served in a smaller portion and isn't too heavy. Most restaurant desserts are too much and too heavy.

Edit: I took my dad and brother to the Catfish Kitchen last night for our Father's Day celebration. This is the only place I know that serves fried catfish with the bones intact. The meat is a lot sweeter. All others serve these tiny fillets.

[IAmBatman]

Happy Father's Day to the fathers! :-) It was steaks and asparagus at home for me and the wifey as we celebrated our first wedding anniversary. :-) Cheesecake to come later tonight.

[Griffin]

DavidHTML is correct. German Chocolate Cake is defined by its ICING. It is a caramel and coconut icing with pecans.... :drool:

My wife and kids surprised me with tickets to go see this weeks number one movie at the theaters: Green Lantern! It was great to finally see the movie event that I had waited my entire life for.

I will say that as a HUGE GL fan, and this is a totally biased opinion, the movie was AWESOME. My honest opinion is however that it was slightly better than good.... but not amazing. The movie was too short IMO, but I realize that this is only the first of 3 GL movies (maybe more).

The goal of this movie seems to aim to set the baseline for the franchise and establish the origins of Hal, Sinestro, and the Corps.

My only real hangups are:
1- There was plenty of good visuals and action, but I would have loved to see a bit more action - maybe in the next film.

2- This may seem silly, but I really wanted a cool music thematic score like Batman, Superman, and Star Wars have.

My favorite things about the movie:
1- The suit. I was VERY skeptical about the suit being CG, but it was a brilliant decision and it looks amazing. Even when GL isn't doing much, that suit is alive and full of energy.

2- Ryan Reynolds as Hal. I didn't see it before, but now I agree with Geoff Johns, Ryan Reynolds IS Hal Jordan. He is brash, witty, courageous, and looks like a pilot. Good casting.

3- The villains. Hector Hammond and Paralax were terrifying, creepy, and powerful. Hector was excellently casted and Paralax was done well, as he is not just powerful and menacing but highly intelligent and evolved, something I thought Hollyweird was going to mess up for sure.

[Lord Pyre]

2- This may seem silly, but I really wanted a cool music thematic score like Batman, Superman, and Star Wars have.

Why is that silly? The score of a movie can help define whether the audience likes the movie or not. Music is powerful stuff, and movie music, when done properly, can have a huge effect!!
Was the music really not great? James Newton Howard is generally a decent composer, so that surprises me.

[Griffin]

2- This may seem silly, but I really wanted a cool music thematic score like Batman, Superman, and Star Wars have.

Why is that silly? The score of a movie can help define whether the audience likes the movie or not. Music is powerful stuff, and movie music, when done properly, can have a huge effect!!
Was the music really not great? James Newton Howard is generally a decent composer, so that surprises me.
It was good, but there was never a "memorable score" that will linger on the minds and imaginations of the viewers like there was with Star Wars or Superman. I really felt that the film needed one.

[Margloth]

I think I might check out GL tomorrow.

Speaking of exciting entertainment, James Rollins' next book comes out tomorrow! Anybody else read his stuff? It's stupid fun... kind of Dan Brown-like but I think he's a much better writer, and his books are a little more action oriented.

[tcglkn]

I loved GL as well and they definitely set it up for a sequel. Griff pretty much covered the things I liked. :up:

[IAmBatman]

I enjoyed Green Lantern. I didn't love it, but I think it's much better than the critical reception it's received. I'd put it just below Thor in overall quality.
I though Blake Lively was pretty miscast as Carol Ferris, but I disagree with all the fan boys out there bagging on Ryan Reynolds. I agree with Griff that he pulled off the role. I also agree with Griff that I thought the music could've been better. It was OK, but I didn't feel like it had the emotional depth and intensity of the Dark Knight score, and I felt that lacking.
My only other real complaint about the movie (I disagree with the people bagging on the CGI - I thought the film was great eye candy) is that it felt rushed. I would've loved to see the Hal/Sinestro relationship explored and established more and I would've like to have seen Hal spending more time training and developing as a hero. Everything seemed to come a bit too easily to him in the movie - for a rookie, other than about his first 5 minutes on OA, he was outclassing groups of GL veterans with ease.
I honestly think about another half an hour or so of the movie and a little bit better writing could've solved that issue.
Overall, though, it was definitely entertaining and I'm looking forward to the sequel with hopes that they'll crank up the quality an extra notch. :-)

[Griffin]

I agree that Thor (65.7 million opening weekend) was slightly better than Green Lantern (52.7 million opening weekend) as well. And the movie sells support that. Though this movie did make number 1 this weekend and the reaction at my theater was excitement and appreciation for the film.

I think this movie was about just creating a base line and an origin to the epic story of the franchise, and hopefully it will tie in with future DC films by using Amanda Waller in each film as MARVEL has used Nick Fury. One thing that they should have done I thought, was have Hal's nephew's birthday party be a Superman or Batman party. That slight nod to one of the biggies would have been a good idea IMO.

[tcglkn]

One thing that they should have done I thought, was have Hal's nephew's birthday party be a Superman or Batman party. That slight nod to one of the biggies would have been a good idea IMO.

Hal said it was lame so it might have been a Batman party. :p

[IAmBatman]

One thing that they should have done I thought, was have Hal's nephew's birthday party be a Superman or Batman party. That slight nod to one of the biggies would have been a good idea IMO.

Hal said it was lame so it might have been a Batman party. :p

What's that? You want how much negative rep? :-P

[Griffin]

One thing that they should have done I thought, was have Hal's nephew's birthday party be a Superman or Batman party. That slight nod to one of the biggies would have been a good idea IMO.

Hal said it was lame so it might have been a Batman party. :p
Nah, that sounds like an X-Men movie or Wonder Woman TV show. :p

[Karat]

I agree, the X-Men movies left much to be desired. While I can enjoy them cinematically, they leave a lot to be desired as far as plot goes.

Though I am looking forward to seeing both Thor and GL. I'll probably wait a bit though, till they come to the $3 theater just down the road from us.

[Lord Pyre]

Hey, I love the Xmen movies (Aside from Wolverine, and I haven't seen the new one yet :p )

[Griffin]

Hey, I love the Xmen movies (Aside from Wolverine, and I haven't seen the new one yet :p )
The new one is hands down the best one of the franchise/reboot/cover up. :p

[IAmBatman]

I haven't seen the new X-Men movie, but the previous four (Wolverine included) were all weaker than Green Lantern, IMO.

[Griffin]

I haven't seen the new X-Men movie, but the previous four (Wolverine included) were all weaker than Green Lantern, IMO.
Yep. And that rings true even after combining them all. I refuse to own them if that says anything.

[Lord Pyre]

I haven't seen the new X-Men movie, but the previous four (Wolverine included) were all weaker than Green Lantern, IMO.
Yep. And that rings true even after combining them all. I refuse to own them if that says anything.

Well, I love the Xmen in general, and I thought the plots were cool, how they revolved around racism and discrimination. GL just looked like a cheesy action film with too much FX, but I'm sure I'll still see it at some point.

[IAmBatman]

I put X-2 on my comic book movies ranking list at #14. Green Lantern is coming in at #12. X-Men 1 is at #17, X-Men #3 is at #22, and Wolverine is at #23. I was hoping GL would be good enough to crack my top ten, but it was not to be so.

[IAmBatman]

I haven't seen the new X-Men movie, but the previous four (Wolverine included) were all weaker than Green Lantern, IMO.
Yep. And that rings true even after combining them all. I refuse to own them if that says anything.

Well, I love the Xmen in general, and I thought the plots were cool, how they revolved around racism and discrimination. GL just looked like a cheesy action film with too much FX, but I'm sure I'll still see it at some point.

I think you were reading more depth into those X-Men movies than actually existed.

[Griffin]

I haven't seen the new X-Men movie, but the previous four (Wolverine included) were all weaker than Green Lantern, IMO.
Yep. And that rings true even after combining them all. I refuse to own them if that says anything.

Well, I love the Xmen in general, and I thought the plots were cool, how they revolved around racism and discrimination. GL just looked like a cheesy action film with too much FX, but I'm sure I'll still see it at some point.

I think you were reading more depth into those X-Men movies than actually existed.
Yeah, I think LP is projecting the years of excellent writing in the comics onto the very soulless film franchise. And I am probably guilty of the same thing when it comes to Green Lantern. I know it isn't "all that", but I love it because I want to love it.

[TheSparkleInYourWater]

I put X-2 on my comic book movies ranking list at #14. Green Lantern is coming in at #12. X-Men 1 is at #17, X-Men #3 is at #22, and Wolverine is at #23. I was hoping GL would be good enough to crack my top ten, but it was not to be so.

Care to share your entire list?

[Margloth]

I haven't seen the new X-Men movie, but the previous four (Wolverine included) were all weaker than Green Lantern, IMO.
Yep. And that rings true even after combining them all. I refuse to own them if that says anything.

Well, I love the Xmen in general, and I thought the plots were cool, how they revolved around racism and discrimination. GL just looked like a cheesy action film with too much FX, but I'm sure I'll still see it at some point.

I think you were reading more depth into those X-Men movies than actually existed.
Yeah, I think LP is projecting the years of excellent writing in the comics onto the very soulless film franchise. And I am probably guilty of the same thing when it comes to Green Lantern. I know it isn't "all that", but I love it because I want to love it.
I don't think there's anything wrong with that, for either series, as long as you accept that other people won't neccesarily feel the same way about them that you do.

Hey, I love the Joel Schumacher Batman series... Bat-Nipples, colorful villains, Arnold Schwarzenegger...

...okay, okay, I'm kidding. :lol:

[Margloth]

By the way, Griff, is your constant avatar change a spoiler for us, or what?

[IAmBatman]

I put X-2 on my comic book movies ranking list at #14. Green Lantern is coming in at #12. X-Men 1 is at #17, X-Men #3 is at #22, and Wolverine is at #23. I was hoping GL would be good enough to crack my top ten, but it was not to be so.

Care to share your entire list?

Sure. Totally debatable and biased, I recognize.

Comic Book Movie Rankings (live action only - only those I've seen or seen part of and turned off!)
1) Dark Knight A 99
2) Spider-Man 2 A 97
3) Batman Begins A 96
4) Kickass A 95
5) Iron Man A 94
6) Scott Pilgrim A 93
7) The Incredible Hulk A 92
8 ) Spider-Man A 91
9) Watchmen B 88
10) Thor B 87
11) Hellboy B 85
12) Green Lantern B 84
13) Hellboy 2 B 82
14) X-2: X-Men United B 82
15) Iron Man 2 B 81
16) Spider-man 3 B 80
17) X-Men C 78
18 ) Superman C 77
19) Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer C 74
20) Superman Returns C 71
21) Fantastic Four C 70
22) X-Men 3 D 66
23) Wolverine D 65
24) Ghost Rider D 64
25) Daredevil D 62
26) Batman Returns D 60
27) Hulk F 59
28 ) Elektra F 55
29) Batman F 54
30) Superman II F 53
31) Batman Forever F 52
32) Judge Dredd F 48
33) Superman III F 40
34) Catwoman F 28
35) Batman and Robin F 25

[Margloth]

That list seems pretty fair and accurate, based on what I've seen.

EDIT: Would you say you're rating these movies primarily as a movie-goer, or comics fan? I ask because your Batman / Batman Returns rankings are lower than average. I didn't particularly love either of these movies, as they seem heavily influenced by the '60's TV show to me, but as far as movies go, they're decent.

[TheSparkleInYourWater]

Thanks for the list. There are a lot on there that I haven't seen (in your top 10 too). So I'll have to check those out.

The only one I see missing that would be in my top 10 (or 5) is Punisher with Thomas Jane. Have you not seen it, or just forgot?

[Margloth]

Punisher would be example of a movie that I would give a decent rating to as a movie-goer, but have problems with as a comics fan.

[IAmBatman]

That list seems pretty fair and accurate, based on what I've seen.

EDIT: Would you say you're rating these movies primarily as a movie-goer, or comics fan? I ask because your Batman / Batman Returns rankings are lower than average. I didn't particularly love either of these movies, as they seem heavily influenced by the '60's TV show to me, but as far as movies go, they're decent.

You know, that brings up a point - I don't have the Adam West Batman movie on there - which I enjoy as pure camp. I'm not sure if it's the comic fan in me, the movie fan in me, or both, but I find Batman and Batman Returns just about unwatchable at this point. They're corny and campy without being funny or, for me at least, fun.

Thanks for the list. There are a lot on there that I haven't seen (in your top 10 too). So I'll have to check those out.

The only one I see missing that would be in my top 10 (or 5) is Punisher with Thomas Jane. Have you not seen it, or just forgot?

I haven't seen any of the three Punisher movies - I think their generally negative rap has kept me away.

[Lord Pyre]

I think you were reading more depth into those X-Men movies than actually existed.

Uh... That was kind of the entire plot of X1.... Magneto's hatred at humanity for treating mutants how the Nazi's treated Jews.... It was pretty obvious, were you not reading into the movie at all? ;)

And I know X3 has a lot of negative reviews, but I did really love it. Sure, I wasn't happy with Cyclops and Rogue, but it did give them closure in a realistic manner. I loved the film take on the dark pheonix saga.

[Margloth]

Sorry. You're wrong about X3. Try again. :lol:

j/k, actually, I don't remember much about X3 at all... which is a condemnation in and of itself. I do remember the Phoenix aspect being much less earth-shaking than it was in the comics.

Also, the Phoenix storyline - Cyclops + Wolverine is just about heresy, imho.

[IAmBatman]

I think you were reading more depth into those X-Men movies than actually existed.

Uh... That was kind of the entire plot of X1.... Magneto's hatred at humanity for treating mutants how the Nazi's treated Jews.... It was pretty obvious, were you not reading into the movie at all? ;)

And I know X3 has a lot of negative reviews, but I did really love it. Sure, I wasn't happy with Cyclops and Rogue, but it did give them closure in a realistic manner. I loved the film take on the dark pheonix saga.

OK, fair enough - you don't mind on the nose metaphors with zero depth that fail to complicate age old issues or add anything new to the conversation on them. :-) I was mistaken in thinking it'd take more depth to get you interested! I didn't think X3 was unwatchable - it's just not as good as a lot of other movies.

[Margloth]

I think you were reading more depth into those X-Men movies than actually existed.

Uh... That was kind of the entire plot of X1.... Magneto's hatred at humanity for treating mutants how the Nazi's treated Jews.... It was pretty obvious, were you not reading into the movie at all? ;)

And I know X3 has a lot of negative reviews, but I did really love it. Sure, I wasn't happy with Cyclops and Rogue, but it did give them closure in a realistic manner. I loved the film take on the dark pheonix saga.

OK, fair enough - you don't mind on the nose metaphors with zero depth that fail to complicate age old issues or add anything new to the conversation on them. :-) I was mistaken in thinking it'd take more depth to get you interested! I didn't think X3 was unwatchable - it's just not as good as a lot of other movies.
I agree. By suggesting that the mutant situation was akin to cultural interpretations of racism (X1) and homosexuality (X2), the films scratched the surface of what could have been an interesting and compelling discussion (for both sides), but took the easy way out with "all those other-thinking folks are waaay old and out of touch!"

Just taking the homosexuality comparison (not trying to debate politics here, just felt this is the case where there are plenty of reasoned, well-intentioned people on both sides who care deeply about the discussion), there's two sides to the argument. The X-Men films seem to take the blind argument that no humans can hold the X-Men accountable since there are good ones too, despite the fact that some mutants are obviously incredibly powerful (sometimes beyond their own control), and are actively attempting to harm others.

[Spidey'tilIDie]

Griff, I couldn't agree more with your comments on GL. I thought the plot was good, but not great could have used more development. And, IMO, the soundtracks had been where DC could lord it over Marvel, so GL was a real letdown in that area. The most exciting part to me was after the credits! Good set-up for a (hopefully) great sequel.

Bats, interesting list. I can't say I agree with all of it, but I have to point out at least one of your top ten. Scott Pilgrim was not very enjoyable and had little to no repeat viewing value. I can't agree with its placement. I think this may be a case of tying your enjoyment of the stories with the big screen movie to "boost" it. Also, I LOATH Michael Cera (sp?).
I know your opinion on Batman and Batman returns and don't want to argue about that here; however on a relevant note, I think even you have to admit, they have better soundtracks than the recent Bat-flicks.

[Lord Pyre]

I think you were reading more depth into those X-Men movies than actually existed.

Uh... That was kind of the entire plot of X1.... Magneto's hatred at humanity for treating mutants how the Nazi's treated Jews.... It was pretty obvious, were you not reading into the movie at all? ;)

And I know X3 has a lot of negative reviews, but I did really love it. Sure, I wasn't happy with Cyclops and Rogue, but it did give them closure in a realistic manner. I loved the film take on the dark pheonix saga.

OK, fair enough - you don't mind on the nose metaphors with zero depth that fail to complicate age old issues or add anything new to the conversation on them. :-) I was mistaken in thinking it'd take more depth to get you interested! I didn't think X3 was unwatchable - it's just not as good as a lot of other movies.

I usually need a good deep movie to keep me interested, yeah, but I still love superhero movies, and I thought X3 was pretty great.

I'm about to get shot, but I actually like how they treated Pheonix in the movie better than in the comics. The comics were way too cheesy. :p

[IAmBatman]

Griff, I couldn't agree more with your comments on GL. I thought the plot was good, but not great could have used more development. And, IMO, the soundtracks had been where DC could lord it over Marvel, so GL was a real letdown in that area. The most exciting part to me was after the credits! Good set-up for a (hopefully) great sequel.

Bats, interesting list. I can't say I agree with all of it, but I have to point out at least one of your top ten. Scott Pilgrim was not very enjoyable and had little to no repeat viewing value. I can't agree with its placement. I think this may be a case of tying your enjoyment of the stories with the big screen movie to "boost" it. Also, I LOATH Michael Cera (sp?).
I know your opinion on Batman and Batman returns and don't want to argue about that here; however on a relevant note, I think even you have to admit, they have better soundtracks than the recent Bat-flicks.

Nope. I never read the Scott Pilgrim comics. :-) But I thought the movie was immensely fun, creative, and enjoyable - and I find Michael Cera amusing. I liked him in Superbad and Juno as well.

[Longy418]

Finally posted the C3G upcoming casual day in the events thread, hope to see all the area C3G'ers there.

[quozl]

What design is this quote referring to?

"This design is screaming fun through a bullhorn," - Davidlhsl about a C3G design.

[tcglkn]

What design is this quote referring to?

"This design is screaming fun through a bullhorn," - Davidlhsl about a C3G design.

I'm pretty sure that was for Incredible Hulk. davidlhsl always put crazy stuff in his ERB reviews so I'm not sure.

[IAmBatman]

Hmm ... I forget, actually. Was it the new Superman? Maybe David can remind me. We send him a LOT of ERB stuff. :-)

[Balantai]

I'm positive it was Hulk.

[Xn F M]

Whatever it's in reference to, it's not in the public portion of the forumn (bullhorn and "screaming fun" only come up with about two hits apiece).

[tcglkn]

He replies the quickest for me and I know he loves getting them so why not send him the most. Lately I've been getting fewer and fewer ERB responses that's probably something we should look into.

[Balantai]

Whatever it's in reference to, it's not in the public portion of the forumn (bullhorn and "screaming fun" only come up with about two hits apiece).
I can see it when I search. :twisted:

[davidlhsl]

I'm very sensitive to the confidentiality of C3G and respectful of the honor I've been given as an ERB member, so I've adopted personal policies designed to keep me from blabbing my big fat mouth. That's why I've stopped speculating in the Promo Department, even on figures I haven't seen. Here are some of my policies I try to follow:

(1) Once I've submitted an ERB response on a design, I'll delete all traces of it from my hard disk and private message folders after I'm sure there won't be any follow-up. That's usually within 24 hours. By the time the design reaches the playtesting phase, I've often forgotten most of what the figure actually does.

(2) Make no public post giving any indication of what I've seen, even as a teaser.

(3) When I prepare an ERB, I try not to reference any design that isn't public. I had to break that rule once to confirm something, because it was relevant to the design.

(4) Confine communication to one post only. What I'm trying to avoid here is that Columbo tendency I have when I post something to add "just one more thing." I endeavor to keep my response to one post only. There have been only a few instances when the designer responded, and a follow-up post was warranted.

(5) I try to spend at least an hour deliberating a design. This helps with #4. There are some designs, though, which weren't complicated enough to warrant more time. I'll use the C3G Index often in checking synergies.

(6) When I get the PM, I'll save it as a pdf file so I can study the design offline. I'll set up a text file to prepare my response. Once I'm ready to send, I'll click on the PM, click Reply, delete the original message and replace with my response, then click Preview. I then verify the recipient (very useful, because I almost sent an ERB to the wrong person) and reread my response carefully. Once I'm satisfied, I'll click Send.

Since IAmBatman indicates that it would be ok to answer this, I'll confirm that it is, in fact, The Incredible Hulk. As stated, I've actually forgotten almost all of the design except for the title of one of the abilities. However, I vividly remember the actual ERB session. I began reading the design, then started typing my response. I went back and forth; and the further I progressed, the more excited I got. I finally came up with that pull quote and placed it in the ERB.

Worst ERB response I ever prepared was early on with one of IAmBatman's designs. I was about to go to bed when I received the PM, so decided to "knock one out" before going to bed. After hitting send, he responded with a question that made me realize that I had >completely< misunderstood the ability. I made a quick edit, but the whole session was very sloppy of me. That's what happens when I break rule #5.

[Griffin]

Yeah, I LD'd the HULK, and David's response was hilarious. If you all are looking forward to the Hulk's release, get ready to rip off your shirts and scream in a fit of Rage Enhanced DNA ...... ;)

[johnny139]

Alright, shifting gears from movies to comics, I've been digging through the Marvel Digital Comics archives and so far have gotten QUITE a bit of reading done.

Runaways ~ Finished the entire series at last; possibly my favorite of all time (though Volume 3 left something to be desired). Some great ideas for some C3G units, too, so I'll tinker with those.
Young Avengers ~ Read this mostly because of the Runaways crossovers, but also very good. Loved the Skrull stuff. Of course, teen heroes have always been my favorites.
Marvels ~ Absolutely amazing. Definitely one of the best drawn comics I've ever seen, but the entire plot and premise blew me away. The tidal wave in the first issue, the mutant girl in the second... great.
Spider-Man: Kraven's Last Hunt ~ Man, Kraven on the next level. I've always loved Kraven but what little I've seen/read of him has been kind of "eh." Not so here. Possibly the best Spider-Man story I've ever read...
Spider-Man: Blue ~ ...or maybe it's this one. Yeah, I'll admit I cried a little at the ending. Very sweet.
Nextwave ~ Hilarious. Definitely lived up to the hype. Highly recommended.
Hulk: Gray & Daredevil: Yellow ~ Neither quite as good as Spider-Man, but Daredevil really got me interested in reading some more of the stuff. Honestly, Daredevil's one of my favorite heroes, but I've never read a single comic with him before this!
X-Men: God Loves, Man Kills ~ The original Stryker story, and definitely an interesting story. I'd love to see it adapted as a movie, though; it seemed very movie-like.
The Loners & Venom/Carnage ~ Both very... meh.

And currently I'm planning on reading:

Earth X
The Immortal Iron Fist (2006-2009)
Heroes for Hire (2006-2007)
Toxin
Spider-Girl, Spider-Girl, and more Spider-Girl!

So, my question is to all of you Marvel fans out there... what do you recommend? I've looked at bits and pieces of the classic Stan Lee stuff (Spider-Man #1, The Galactus Trilogy), but no real investment. Any one-shots or particular arcs or writing staffs or whatever? Also, where's the best Daredevil stuff? Frank Miller is the king, from what I hear, but is Stan Lee's original run worth reading?

[A3n]

If anybody saw any good pictures of Destiny in the Marvel Digital comics please let me know as we are struggling to get a decent one for the card.

Cheers

[johnny139]

I've actually been nabbing some high quality screens of characters I know don't have many good pictures online, so I'll keep a look out for her. :D

[Flame Gryphon]

Any suggestions for good Green Lantern books? So far I've read Secret Origin and am planning on reading Agent Orange, and the Sinestro Corps War, and then at some point reading Blackest Night.

[quozl]

Awesome! Hulk is one of my favorite characters.

[Good Pig]

David I'm impressed, that's quite the thorough ERB checklist. I know who I'm sending my next design to. :)

[Spidey'tilIDie]

Any suggestions for good Green Lantern books? So far I've read Secret Origin and am planning on reading Agent Orange, and the Sinestro Corps War, and then at some point reading Blackest Night.
I would start with Green Lantern: Origins. It re-tells Hal's origin while incorporating alot of relevant characters.

[Porkins]

Catching up on this thread a bit. I didn't want to look at it for a while because I didn't want to see any GL spoilers.

Hey, guys, check this out - MAJOR deal. Free month's subscription to Marvel's online comics library (like 8000+ comics), no credit card info or anything like that needed. Go HERE (https://subscriptions.marvel.com/v3/pages/pg_digitalcomicssubscribe.php), input this coupon code: CAP734. And enjoy.

I'm more of a print man myself, but this is a KILLER opportunity and I just thought I'd share it.

*off to read Runaways*

Awesome! Got it!

I've played against lonewolf and Cavalier.

And Porkins Jr.


Edit: and for Father's Day I had barbecued pork ribs and forgot to call my dad. Doh.

And I liked the X-Men movies, including the Wolverine one.

[Spidey'tilIDie]

Alright, shifting gears from movies to comics, I've been digging through the Marvel Digital Comics archives and so far have gotten QUITE a bit of reading done.

Runaways ~ Finished the entire series at last; possibly my favorite of all time (though Volume 3 left something to be desired). Some great ideas for some C3G units, too, so I'll tinker with those.
Young Avengers ~ Read this mostly because of the Runaways crossovers, but also very good. Loved the Skrull stuff. Of course, teen heroes have always been my favorites.
Marvels ~ Absolutely amazing. Definitely one of the best drawn comics I've ever seen, but the entire plot and premise blew me away. The tidal wave in the first issue, the mutant girl in the second... great.
Spider-Man: Kraven's Last Hunt ~ Man, Kraven on the next level. I've always loved Kraven but what little I've seen/read of him has been kind of "eh." Not so here. Possibly the best Spider-Man story I've ever read...
Spider-Man: Blue ~ ...or maybe it's this one. Yeah, I'll admit I cried a little at the ending. Very sweet.
Nextwave ~ Hilarious. Definitely lived up to the hype. Highly recommended.
Hulk: Gray & Daredevil: Yellow ~ Neither quite as good as Spider-Man, but Daredevil really got me interested in reading some more of the stuff. Honestly, Daredevil's one of my favorite heroes, but I've never read a single comic with him before this!
X-Men: God Loves, Man Kills ~ The original Stryker story, and definitely an interesting story. I'd love to see it adapted as a movie, though; it seemed very movie-like.
The Loners & Venom/Carnage ~ Both very... meh.

And currently I'm planning on reading:

Earth X
The Immortal Iron Fist (2006-2009)
Heroes for Hire (2006-2007)
Toxin
Spider-Girl, Spider-Girl, and more Spider-Girl!

So, my question is to all of you Marvel fans out there... what do you recommend? I've looked at bits and pieces of the classic Stan Lee stuff (Spider-Man #1, The Galactus Trilogy), but no real investment. Any one-shots or particular arcs or writing staffs or whatever? Also, where's the best Daredevil stuff? Frank Miller is the king, from what I hear, but is Stan Lee's original run worth reading?
Just this, I'd skip Earth X. Other than the whole "where are they now" aspect and the AMAZING art, the story is blah. :2cents:

[Good Pig]

How did I miss the free comic code? Sweet! :D signed up just now.

[Xn F M]

So, my question is to all of you Marvel fans out there... what do you recommend? I've looked at bits and pieces of the classic Stan Lee stuff (Spider-Man #1, The Galactus Trilogy), but no real investment. Any one-shots or particular arcs or writing staffs or whatever? Also, where's the best Daredevil stuff? Frank Miller is the king, from what I hear, but is Stan Lee's original run worth reading?

I don't know what's available online, but Infinity Gauntlet is pretty good and you'd probably have to follow that up with Infinity War (which is less good, but Thanos is quite enjoyable). Marvel: 1602 is really fun. I like the current X-Factor run, and Wolverine Origins has a ton of cool marvel universe back story and tie ins.

[Scapemage]

Wow. That's a loooooot of comics. I have no idea where to start...

[hi1hi1hi1hi1]

Toxin - I loved that series.

I have honestly read so many Marvel digital comics I can't remember them all, but I do remember that one of the greatest comic books I ever read was: Invincible Iron Man Annual #1 - Mandarin: The Story of My Life.

It's a one shot about Mandarin and Iron Man hardly even makes an appearance, but it's very rare you get such insight into a villain like you do in this book.

[Scapemage]

I am starting with some Avengers stuff since it features a mix of characters I am at least slightly familiar with. After that, I'll dip into something either new, or maybe some Spider-man (which I don't know a lot of).

[IAmBatman]

Spider-man, like Batman, is both one of the best characters in comics and one of the characters in comics with the most out there written about him! :-P I really want to read more Spider-man some day myself, but I'm going to have to get a better idea of what's good and not from him.

[Spidey'tilIDie]

I have honestly read so many Marvel digital comics I can't remember them all, but I do remember that one of the greatest comic books I ever read was: Invincible Iron Man Annual #1 - Mandarin: The Story of My Life.

It's a one shot about Mandarin and Iron Man hardly even makes an appearance, but it's very rare you get such insight into a villain like you do in this book.
Is that the one where he has "commissions" a biographical film about himself? If so, it was my favorite read ever about the Mandarin and instrumental in any input I added for his card.

[Swamper]

Spider-man, like Batman, is both one of the best characters in comics and one of the characters in comics with the most out there written about him! :-P I really want to read more Spider-man some day myself, but I'm going to have to get a better idea of what's good and not from him.

I'm going through the very humble beginnings of the wall crawler. My library has these giant compilations of the first hundred issues of Spider-Man, X-Men, Avengers, all the good Marvel stuff!

[Spidey'tilIDie]

I really find that stuff tough to read. Back then the stories were short, so plots weren't as complex though every idea was usually a new one. And the Art was less than great because they all had to turn out SOOO MUCH work to actually make a living as an artist.

[Swamper]

I really find that stuff tough to read. Back then the stories were short, so plots weren't as complex though every idea was usually a new one. And the Art was less than great because they all had to turn out SOOO MUCH work to actually make a living as an artist.

:shrug:

I like the old ones better than the new ones, honestly. Although I am boycotting Ultimate Universe for killing Parker

[Porkins]

I have honestly read so many Marvel digital comics I can't remember them all, but I do remember that one of the greatest comic books I ever read was: Invincible Iron Man Annual #1 - Mandarin: The Story of My Life.

It's a one shot about Mandarin and Iron Man hardly even makes an appearance, but it's very rare you get such insight into a villain like you do in this book.
Is that the one where he has "commissions" a biographical film about himself? If so, it was my favorite read ever about the Mandarin and instrumental in any input I added for his card.

Yes it is. I just barely started reading it today, based on hihi's recommendation.

[CharosInCharge]

hihi has always been someone I respect in the custom community. I hope his process is a success.

On a side note.. I want to know where Griffin is getting all of the pics for his totally BA avatars lately. :up:

[Scapemage]

I really find that stuff tough to read. Back then the stories were short, so plots weren't as complex though every idea was usually a new one. And the Art was less than great because they all had to turn out SOOO MUCH work to actually make a living as an artist.

:shrug:

I like the old ones better than the new ones, honestly. Although I am boycotting Ultimate Universe for killing Parker
Spiderman's dead too now? Geesh, what have they done?

[tcglkn]

So I am having some friends over to play C3G scape today. Finally. And since I am the only one with C3G units, I built some armies for people to choose from. I just kept adding armies because I didn't want to leave X unit out, and I found I can build 30 full 1100 point armies with my collected. And I probably have enough extra units for another army or two but they wouldn't be competitive at all.

[Margloth]

That's awesome! Post reports if you can!

[Good Pig]

Sick! :)

[tcglkn]

That's awesome! Post reports if you can!

It promises to be interesting. None of my friends have ever played C3G so I'll probably be coaching them all. I don't plan on introducing DOs or DO throwing, just Knockback and Equipment Glyphs.

[A3n]

So I am having some friends over to play C3G scape today. Finally. And since I am the only one with C3G units, I built some armies for people to choose from. I just kept adding armies because I didn't want to leave X unit out, and I found I can build 30 full 1100 point armies with my collected. And I probably have enough extra units for another army or two but they wouldn't be competitive at all.

Can you post those armies somewhere, I was thinking of making some sort of draft cards that you just pick & has the army already listed.

Cheers

[tcglkn]

I'll post them in the outer sanctum tonight. They used quite a few unreleased units.

[Scapemage]

I'll post them in the outer sanctum tonight. They used quite a few unreleased units.
:whistle:

:razz:

Hope you have/had fun!

I saw Green Lantern today. Loved it a bunch, and believe it or not learned a thing or two. I still need to Google Hecter Hammond though.

[mrcrimson]

Not sure when its coming out or if this is real, but if it is, then I suspect this could be the greatest video game ever created. Ever.
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/06/24/batman-fighting-game/

[Lord Pyre]

Not sure when its coming out or if this is real, but if it is, then I suspect this could be the greatest video game ever created. Ever.
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/06/24/batman-fighting-game/

MUGEN is awesome. I always thought it'd be cool to do a character pack with HS characters. But Batman stuff takes the cake, I'm definitely picking that up once it's finished!!

[Griffin]

THIS is the coolest video ever: Spider-Man, Iron Man and the Hulk Animated fight! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uM9qA_OnXXY&feature=player_embedded)

[Hahma]

THIS is the coolest video ever: Spider-Man, Iron Man and the Hulk Animated fight! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uM9qA_OnXXY&feature=player_embedded)


Nice find Griff! That was awesome. 8)

I loved it when:

Hulk saved the dog. "Pu-ppy"

[Griffin]

THIS is the coolest video ever: Spider-Man, Iron Man and the Hulk Animated fight! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uM9qA_OnXXY&feature=player_embedded)


Nice find Griff! That was awesome. 8)

I loved it when:

Hulk saved the dog. "Pu-ppy"
:lol: Yeah. My fav was actually "Spider-Man said "help puny Iron Man". So Hulk HELP!"

[Hahma]

THIS is the coolest video ever: Spider-Man, Iron Man and the Hulk Animated fight! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uM9qA_OnXXY&feature=player_embedded)


Nice find Griff! That was awesome. 8)

I loved it when:

Hulk saved the dog. "Pu-ppy"
:lol: Yeah. My fav was actually "Spider-Man said "help puny Iron Man". So Hulk HELP!"

Yeah, that was funny too. Not to mention a lot of what Spidey says, he's a funny guy :D

[Griffin]

THIS is the coolest video ever: Spider-Man, Iron Man and the Hulk Animated fight! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uM9qA_OnXXY&feature=player_embedded)


Nice find Griff! That was awesome. 8)

I loved it when:

Hulk saved the dog. "Pu-ppy"
:lol: Yeah. My fav was actually "Spider-Man said "help puny Iron Man". So Hulk HELP!"

Yeah, that was funny too. Not to mention a lot of what Spidey says, he's a funny guy :D
Is it just me, or does it seem like that movie style may actually be better suited for Comic movies than live action?