The C3G Cave - Hangout

[tcglkn]

So, is anyone other than me excited for the final episode of Smallville tomorrow? The suit, the return of Lex Luthor, the resolution of the Darkseid storyline; I'm pumped!

:word:

I'm excited for the Green Lantern movie - the movie that will really shape the fate of all future non-Superman/Batman properties in a huge way. I reallllly hope it's good! :-D

:word: Green Lantern and Flash are my two favorite DC characters so it better be awesome. :D

[LordEsenwienIV]

I'm excited for the Green Lantern movie - the movie that will really shape the fate of all future non-Superman/Batman properties in a huge way. I reallllly hope it's good! :-D

:word: Green Lantern and Flash are my two favorite DC characters so it better be awesome. :D
If Larfreeze or Saint Walker are in the movie. :passout:

[IAmBatman]

I'm excited for the Green Lantern movie - the movie that will really shape the fate of all future non-Superman/Batman properties in a huge way. I reallllly hope it's good! :-D

:word: Green Lantern and Flash are my two favorite DC characters so it better be awesome. :D
If Larfreeze or Saint Walker are in the movie. :passout:

Waaaay too soon for those guys! That would suck to include them in the first movie. That's like putting Doomsday in the first ever live action Superman movie. :-P Or Damian in the first ever Batman live action movie!

[johnny139]

Batman vs Spider-Man

Conditions of battle:
Both Batman and Spider-Man are given a week to prepare for a battle to take place in an abandoned factory.

Who wins?

Logic says Batman, but I think I'd be pulling for Spider-Man. Bats relies entirely in planning - he's best at predicting what an opponent does and thinking three steps ahead. Spidey is the same way, but in another direction. He acts entirely unpredictably, thinks on his feet, and uses his speed and powers to run circles around his opponents. Spider-Sense can cut off just about anything Bats throws at him. But... Batman isn't the type to EVER give in. I figure Spider-Man could catch a bat, but I doubt he could keep him.

I think in general, Spidey would get the upper hand, lose it briefly, get it back, but realize Batman isn't going to quit and make a tactical retreat.

If Larfreeze or Saint Walker are in the movie. :passout:

Waaaay too soon for those guys! That would suck to include them in the first movie. That's like putting Doomsday in the first ever live action Superman movie. :-P Or Damian in the first ever Batman live action movie!

Oddly enough, the Green Lantern Cartoon coming out (based loosely on the movie) will be using Atrocitus and the Red Lanterns as the main villains right off the bat. So they're not first movie material, but the Rainbow Lanterns seem like they're going to be a pretty core aspect of the Green Lantern mythos from here on out.

(Of course, I'd bet we don't even see a sequel to the movie, so it's a moot point. But, hey, call me a cynic. :p)

[Griffin]

Both. They quickly realize that they're on the same side and go after the villains that tried to trick them and make them pay ... :twisted:
That is EXACTLY what I was gonna say. Yep! :D

[Griffin]

So, is anyone other than me excited for the final episode of Smallville tomorrow? The suit, the return of Lex Luthor, the resolution of the Darkseid storyline; I'm pumped!
HECK YES!!!!! I am having a Skype party about it at 1am my time if anyone is up for it.

You can find me on skype if you haven't already by searching

my email: dkshearin@gmail.com
my skype name: David.Karl.Shearin
my skype handle: Griffin

Should be lots of fun to talk about it! :D

[Spidey'tilIDie]

midnight here? I'm there!

[A3n]

So, is anyone other than me excited for the final episode of Smallville tomorrow? The suit, the return of Lex Luthor, the resolution of the Darkseid storyline; I'm pumped!

Hell yeah. But I have to wait until somebody has uploaded it to a fileserve account which won't happen until sometime tomorrow morning here (maybe about 1 to 2 hours after it's aired there usually :D). Which usually also means I won't have time to watch it until after my boys soccer match. Damn! I really can't wait though.

[Margloth]

Batman vs Spider-Man

Conditions of battle:
Both Batman and Spider-Man are given a week to prepare for a battle to take place in an abandoned factory.

Who wins?
Well, Batman would set forth preparing with single-minded determination, while Spider-Man "keeps meaning to get to that..." while being distracted by personal problems. I figure it's a draw, where Spidey's powers and intuition = Batman's experience and cunning.

Actually, I think this storyline could be done pretty well. Spidey would likely underestimate Bats, Bats would teach him a thing or two, both leave with a new-found respect and new ideas for achieving their own agendas.

IF Spider-Man was to spend the whole week preparing single-mindedly, I believe he would win... but everybody knows Spidey's #1 problem is being unable to dedicate himself to any one thing... which is exactly Bruce's strength.

How about this:

Batman vs. Punisher: Same conditions, but each can only bring one "weapon"?

[Griffin]

Punisher can bring as many weapons as he wants, Batman IS a weapon of highly trained martial arts and espionage. Punisher is used to relying on guns, and Batman is used to kicking the $#!+ out of guys who rely on guns... Punisher has NO chance in hell.

[tcglkn]

Punisher can bring as many weapons as he wants, Batman IS a weapon of highly trained martial arts and espionage. Punisher is used to relying on guns, and Batman is used to kicking the $#!+ out of guys who rely on guns... Punisher has NO chance in hell.

Funny I was just gonna say Punisher would bring as many weapons as he wanted anyways and Bruce would still kick his @$$ all over the place. :lol:

[quozl]

I had this when I was a kid. I loved it!

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/uploads/11043/batman-vs-hulk-vf-2b.jpg

[Griffin]

Yeah, I have a reprint of that and a ton of Crossover comics. They are some of my favorites, and not because of the obvious novelty (which is also great), but they are my favorite because in each Crossover comic you get to see the characters in their most basic and iconic form without the burden of having to read around lame story lines that writers are forced to write in the character's lives.

[Griffin]

So I heard the rumor that Lex will have a Battlesuit made from Apokolyptian armor in tonight's Series Finale of Smallville. :D

[Margloth]

Punisher can bring as many weapons as he wants, Batman IS a weapon of highly trained martial arts and espionage. Punisher is used to relying on guns, and Batman is used to kicking the $#!+ out of guys who rely on guns... Punisher has NO chance in hell.

Funny I was just gonna say Punisher would bring as many weapons as he wanted anyways and Bruce would still kick his @$$ all over the place. :lol:
See, now I disagree somewhat. I think this would be a closer fight than most would imagine.

~Punisher IS a human weapon, having been trained in combat techniques for many, many years. Just because he usually relies on guns, doesn't mean he isn't any good without them.

~Punisher may also be about the Marvel character who can match Bruce's single-minded, almost psychotic (drop the psychotic for Castle) drive.

~So what if they can only bring 1 weapon? Punisher with 1 machine gun still ought to give Bats with a handful of Batarangs a run for his money.

I actually see this being a long, drawn out fight. Punisher is deadlier (and possibly a little stronger?), but Bruce is smarter. The two exchange stories in between punches, revealing their respective backstories of loss to each other, and realize they aren't so different. Batman slowly begins to win the fight, then abandons it when he sees (in Castle) what he would have to become in order to win it.

Bruce goes home, the vision of where his path might take him weighing heavily on his psyche. Punisher crawls into a corner, experiencing a breakdown from revisiting his horrific memories and almost being beaten. Both men come out of their moments of introspection with a fiercer adherence to their agendas.

[Margloth]

Okay... same conditions as Spidey vs. Batman, only Green Goblin vs. Joker? Who wins?

(Also, I really want to see this!)

[Griffin]

Okay... same conditions as Spidey vs. Batman, only Green Goblin vs. Joker? Who wins?

(Also, I really want to see this!)
Green Goblin wins hands down. Green Goblin is basically Batman and Joker's "what if they mated" child - with a little steroids in the mix. I mean Batman beats Joker ALL the time, and GG is Batman with all his gadgets and money, only with Joker's personality, so he would be able to be unpredictable (something Joker is NOT used to), and he would also be immune to the Joker Toxin because he is already crazy.

:p :lol: :D :rofl: :twisted::bang::help::screwy::drool::woot:

[davidlhsl]

I don't have the comics background to chime in, but isn't it great that we have such fantastic customs that allow us to actually play these type of match-ups ourselves? Of course, the Heroscape mechanics aren't really designed for 1-on-1 confrontations, but the army battles often result in a final confrontation in the endgame.

:D

[Griffin]

I don't have the comics background to chime in, but isn't it great that we have such fantastic customs that allow us to actually play these type of match-ups ourselves? Of course, the Heroscape mechanics aren't really designed for 1-on-1 confrontations, but the army battles often result in a final confrontation in the endgame.

:D
Oh yes! :D

These games feel just like a comic book to me, and one that I can manipulate with strategy and adventure. I literally waited my whole life for this game. For as long as I can remember, I have wanted a competitive battle simulation game of my Superhero Action Figures. The figures are much smaller, but the concept is spot on.

This idea was inspired by my playing marbles actually. I use to play with my dad, and then we started "building armies" of action figures, setting them up in formations on the floor, and taking turns shooting marbles at them to knock the other side down. Oh man that was fun! :D

[Margloth]

I don't have the comics background to chime in, but isn't it great that we have such fantastic customs that allow us to actually play these type of match-ups ourselves? Of course, the Heroscape mechanics aren't really designed for 1-on-1 confrontations, but the army battles often result in a final confrontation in the endgame.

:D
Absolutely.

Two 1-vs-1 endgames come to mind, both involving the Red Skull... one where Batman kicked the Cosmic Cube out of Red's hand, and there was a race to get it (with both figures at 1 life), and the other where a 1-life Xavier b*tch-slapped a 1-life Red Skull (admittedly the wussy official version) with his Mental Assault!

[IAmBatman]

For all future match up questions with Batman, just remember ... Batman wins. :-D

[IAmBatman]

By the way, great news on the super television front:

http://www.batman-on-film.com/dccomics-on-film.html

The Wonder Woman TV series is dead! Thank goodness! Crap like that might've done irreparable damage to the future of superheroes on TV. Hopefully we'll get another live action superhero show actually worth having on TV soon, though! So far it's been Smallville, a season of heroes, debatably No Ordinary Family, and not much else. We need more like these (and better) and less crap like this Wonder Woman project, The Cape, and Birds of Prey.

[Balantai]

I actually think Spidey is one of the only superheroes that can stand up to Bruce Wayne even if he had time to prepare. Spidey-Sense should help nullify Bats' ability to overthink his opponent. It's one of those matches where I'm not sure either one would win.

I have to side with Batman over Punisher, though. Castle might be a highly trained fighter, but he's no where near Bruce. Bruce is one of the best hand to hand combatants in the DC Universe. (And that's saying alot since all superheroes are apparently trained to fight since birth. :roll:)

As far as an even hand to hand fight for Batman, I'd like to see Batman fight Captain America.

[Flame Gryphon]

I actually think Spidey is one of the only superheroes that can stand up to Bruce Wayne even if he had time to prepare. Spidey-Sense should help nullify Bats' ability to overthink his opponent. It's one of those matches where I'm not sure either one would win.

I have to side with Batman over Punisher, though. Castle might be a highly trained fighter, but he's no where near Bruce. Bruce is one of the best hand to hand combatants in the DC Universe. (And that's saying alot since all superheroes are apparently trained to fight since birth. :roll:)

As far as an even hand to hand fight for Batman, I'd like to see Batman fight Captain America.

Actually happened in the Amalgam universe. But they fought in a sewer, and Cap ended up losing to a lucky Batarang to the head.

[Balantai]

By the way, great news on the super television front:

http://www.batman-on-film.com/dccomics-on-film.html

The Wonder Woman TV series is dead! Thank goodness! Crap like that might've done irreparable damage to the future of superheroes on TV. Hopefully we'll get another live action superhero show actually worth having on TV soon, though! So far it's been Smallville, a season of heroes, debatably No Ordinary Family, and not much else. We need more like these (and better) and less crap like this Wonder Woman project, The Cape, and Birds of Prey.
I'm so glad that WW tv series is dead. Did No Ordinary Family get good or something? I tried the pilot and it was awful.

[IAmBatman]

I wouldn't say "good," just "OK." They got more into some conspiracy bits, which was fun. Overall I'd give it about a "C," which beats the tar out of most live action superhero things they've put on (most of which I'd give a huge "F" to).

[Lord Pyre]

I'm not going to lose any sleep over missing Wonder Woman! :lol:

I heard the Cape was decent, though. I thought about checking it out. But I'd have to say the best superhero TV series I've seen is season 1 of Heroes. (I haven't seen any Smallville, though. I hate Superman too much to consider it. :p )

[Griffin]

Smallville is definitely the best of the best when it comes to TV SuperHero Live Action.

Sooooooo glad WW TV is dead. I read that last night and was VERY VERY happy about it. The actress, poor girl, may even have a difficult time getting work after that... I hope she gets a better agent. That would be a good start for her.

[johnny139]

Batman vs. Punisher: Same conditions, but each can only bring one "weapon"?

As much as I love Batman, I have to go 100% Punisher on this one. Both are trained to a near-peak condition, both have unbeatable drive, but there's one thing that sets them apart - Batman won't kill. Batman can beat Frank Castle down a hundred times, but eventually he'll slip up, and when that moment comes, the Punisher CAN and WILL kill him. Bruce won't cross that line, and that's his greatest liability in a match like that.

Okay... same conditions as Spidey vs. Batman, only Green Goblin vs. Joker? Who wins?

(Also, I really want to see this!)

Depends on what kind of Green Goblin. If it's the conflicted, "Norman-Goblin split personality" sort of thing, I'd give it to the Joker, because he's a wizard when it comes to exploiting that sort of thing. But if he's gone over the edge entirely and has embraced the Goblin side of himself, he'll run circles around the clown.

As far as an even hand to hand fight for Batman, I'd like to see Batman fight Captain America.

I'd go with Captain America, personally, but that's one pair I'd call evenly matched in skill, determination, and morals. It'd certainly be something to see!

And I was looking forward to Wonder Woman because it would have been so silly! Why can't we have any dumb shows any more? We need more stuff with the Joker surfing and Daredevil getting brain freezes. Someone throw a pie for God's sake! :p

[Griffin]

And I was looking forward to Wonder Woman because it would have been so silly! Why can't we have any dumb shows any more? We need more stuff with the Joker surfing and Daredevil getting brain freezes. Someone throw a pie for God's sake! :p
That would actually be kinda hilarious in a Batman movie. Have a serious scene with Batman interrogating Joker and then suddenly, Batman is just splashed with a pie in the face and Joker grins nervously like this :reapershrug:

:rofl:

[IAmBatman]

I'm not going to lose any sleep over missing Wonder Woman! :lol:

I heard the Cape was decent, though. I thought about checking it out. But I'd have to say the best superhero TV series I've seen is season 1 of Heroes. (I haven't seen any Smallville, though. I hate Superman too much to consider it. :p )

The Cape looked good, but the writing was really weak, IMO.

[Lord Pyre]

I'm not going to lose any sleep over missing Wonder Woman! :lol:

I heard the Cape was decent, though. I thought about checking it out. But I'd have to say the best superhero TV series I've seen is season 1 of Heroes. (I haven't seen any Smallville, though. I hate Superman too much to consider it. :p )

The Cape looked good, but the writing was really weak, IMO.

I just heard some good reviews (And a bunch of disgruntled fans complaining about its cancellation. :p ), and it looked interesting. But I hardly watch Tv, so I probably never would have gotten around to it anyway. :p

[Griffin]

I'm not going to lose any sleep over missing Wonder Woman! :lol:

I heard the Cape was decent, though. I thought about checking it out. But I'd have to say the best superhero TV series I've seen is season 1 of Heroes. (I haven't seen any Smallville, though. I hate Superman too much to consider it. :p )

The Cape looked good, but the writing was really weak, IMO.

I just heard some good reviews (And a bunch of disgruntled fans complaining about its cancellation. :p ), and it looked interesting. But I hardly watch Tv, so I probably never would have gotten around to it anyway. :p
Dude, you use that tongue smiley WAAAAAAYYYYYY too much.

[Lord Pyre]

I'm not going to lose any sleep over missing Wonder Woman! :lol:

I heard the Cape was decent, though. I thought about checking it out. But I'd have to say the best superhero TV series I've seen is season 1 of Heroes. (I haven't seen any Smallville, though. I hate Superman too much to consider it. :p )

The Cape looked good, but the writing was really weak, IMO.

I just heard some good reviews (And a bunch of disgruntled fans complaining about its cancellation. :p ), and it looked interesting. But I hardly watch Tv, so I probably never would have gotten around to it anyway. :p
Dude, you use that tongue smiley WAAAAAAYYYYYY too much.

I know. :p

[Spidey'tilIDie]

BTW, Smallville finale was AWESOME!!! When it ended, I had to rewind it and watch the final 5 minutes again. I got the feeling I had just watched a 10 year long origin story. It has me super-pumped for a future movie and hoping welling will be considered for the title role. (pun intended). Really made me want to break out season one and watch it all over again. Special effects weren't great, but its TV and not on a major network. Not too bad considering that.

[IAmBatman]

Well since they've already cast Superman for Man of Steel and that promises to be the start of a multi movie run for Supes, I doubt Welling will be appearing as Superman again any time soon. :-)

[Margloth]

I've never seen Smallville... but hearing all you guys go on and on about it makes me want to give it a try. Do I need to start from the beginning, or is there a more recent jumping off point?

[tcglkn]

You can almost pick it up anywhere, but the beginning is a good place to start.

I loved the finale. Very well done. I look forward to the Man of Steel movie soon, hopefully it is done well and not corny.

Also I wish they had aired the Aquaman show, it looked really cool.

[Griffin]

You can almost pick it up anywhere, but the beginning is a good place to start.

I loved the finale. Very well done. I look forward to the Man of Steel movie soon, hopefully it is done well and not corny.

Also I wish they had aired the Aquaman show, it looked really cool.
The Movie WILL be amazing with David Goyer writing and Christopher Nolin producing it with WB's title of Shepherd. Also, the cast will be several very strong actors with somewhat fresh faces. Oh yeah, and the main villain is Zod! Zod!!!! as in "kneel before Zod!" :twisted: Should be great.

In fact, the movie will be so good that it will make Smallville look dorky, which it kinda is was at times, but still great. I am guessing it will be like comparing Batman Begins to Birds of Prey. TV just doesn't have the same budget, and they have an entirely different set pressures.

[johnny139]

You can almost pick it up anywhere, but the beginning is a good place to start.

I loved the finale. Very well done. I look forward to the Man of Steel movie soon, hopefully it is done well and not corny.

Also I wish they had aired the Aquaman show, it looked really cool.
The Movie WILL be amazing with David Goyer writing and Christopher Nolin producing it with WB's title of Shepherd. Also, the cast will be several very strong actors with somewhat fresh faces. Oh yeah, and the main villain is Zod! Zod!!!! as in "kneel before Zod!" :twisted: Should be great.

Yeah, but you have Zack Snyder directing... that alone should make one wary. :p

[Griffin]

You can almost pick it up anywhere, but the beginning is a good place to start.

I loved the finale. Very well done. I look forward to the Man of Steel movie soon, hopefully it is done well and not corny.

Also I wish they had aired the Aquaman show, it looked really cool.
The Movie WILL be amazing with David Goyer writing and Christopher Nolin producing it with WB's title of Shepherd. Also, the cast will be several very strong actors with somewhat fresh faces. Oh yeah, and the main villain is Zod! Zod!!!! as in "kneel before Zod!" :twisted: Should be great.

Yeah, but you have Zack Snyder directing... that alone should make one wary. :pWhy? The director of Watchmen, 300, SuckerPunch..... those were HUGE successes in the realm of geekdom and beyond.

[johnny139]

You can almost pick it up anywhere, but the beginning is a good place to start.

I loved the finale. Very well done. I look forward to the Man of Steel movie soon, hopefully it is done well and not corny.

Also I wish they had aired the Aquaman show, it looked really cool.
The Movie WILL be amazing with David Goyer writing and Christopher Nolin producing it with WB's title of Shepherd. Also, the cast will be several very strong actors with somewhat fresh faces. Oh yeah, and the main villain is Zod! Zod!!!! as in "kneel before Zod!" :twisted: Should be great.

Yeah, but you have Zack Snyder directing... that alone should make one wary. :pWhy? The director of Watchmen, 300, SuckerPunch..... those were HUGE successes in the realm of geekdom and beyond.

I haven't seen Watchmen, but I heard SuckerPunch was TERRIBLE and I didn't think much of 300. His "style" of excess CGI and pseudo-realism and green-screen artsy stuff doesn't really fit with Superman, if you ask me.

[Margloth]

Watchmen was pretty good... I really felt the biggest problem with it was that Snyder essentially just recreated the book without "making it his own."

300 is goofy as heck, and takes it self to seriously, but it's still fun, imho.

And don't forget Dawn of the Dead. That film is near brilliant.

[Griffin]

Watchmen was pretty good... I really felt the biggest problem with it was that Snyder essentially just recreated the book without "making it his own."

300 is goofy as heck, and takes it self to seriously, but it's still fun, imho.

And don't forget Dawn of the Dead. That film is near brilliant.
I like all of those films, and their style is amazing IMO.

Johnny, SuckerPunch wasn't appealing to me either, but for different reasons. I don't like watching anything about human trafficking or prostitution. That is far to real and uncomfortable to me. However, the fantasy visuals and action scenes were absolutely amazing! That is what you are consistently getting when you get Snyder. Great visuals and great action with lots of heart.

[johnny139]

I prefer movies to look realistic, myself, which is why Snyder doesn't really appeal to me. If you're going to make your movie look like a cartoon, why not just make a cartoon? :shrug:

[Griffin]

I prefer movies to look realistic, myself, which is why Snyder doesn't really appeal to me. If you're going to make your movie look like a cartoon, why not just make a cartoon? :shrug:
They don't look like cartoons. :lol: They look like a dream or a fantasy. I like it, though I respect why some do not.

For the record, I don't think that he will fully embrace that style for Superman, but I expect to see it come out during the action scenes.

Another element that he really plays up is a "live" environment. Having your environment active with lots of stuff going on while the focus is still, then going to a fast action scene where the environment stops or slows down. It is a really cool way to demonstrate tension then dynamic. I think it is genius.

[IAmBatman]

If you want a movie to look 100% realistic, you probably don't want to watch a movie about superheroes ... :-P

[Margloth]

If you want a movie to look 100% realistic, you probably don't want to watch a movie about superheroes ... :-P
Has anyone seen Kick A**? It starts out very realistic and then goes absolutely nuts...

I really liked it. Imho one of the better superhero origin movies of late.

[IAmBatman]

I did enjoy Kick A** quite a bit. But no superpowers involved in that one, so it's not a fair comparison for a Superman movie. :-)

[Hidicul]

I liked Kick A**, Scott Pilgrim was pretty good to, it just starts out slow.

[tcglkn]

I liked Kick A**, Scott Pilgrim was pretty good to, it just starts out slow.

:word:

Btw I noticed you are back, how are things going for you?

[Hidicul]

I liked Kick A**, Scott Pilgrim was pretty good to, it just starts out slow.

:word:

Btw I noticed you are back, how are things going for you?
Great. I tell you a month without Scape is a nightmare. I felt so alone :lol: It's good to be home though and be able to rejoin the group.

[Griffin]

I liked Kick A**, Scott Pilgrim was pretty good to, it just starts out slow.

:word:

Btw I noticed you are back, how are things going for you?
Great. I tell you a month without Scape is a nightmare. I felt so alone :lol: It's good to be home though and be able to rejoin the group.
I assume being home with the wife and kids is nice too right.......>>>>> RIGHT ;)

[Hidicul]

I liked Kick A**, Scott Pilgrim was pretty good to, it just starts out slow.

:word:

Btw I noticed you are back, how are things going for you?
Great. I tell you a month without Scape is a nightmare. I felt so alone :lol: It's good to be home though and be able to rejoin the group.
I assume being home with the wife and kids is nice too right.......>>>>> RIGHT ;)
The wife most defentaly yes, the kids not so much right now. They are all fighting and yelling :evil:

[Spidey'tilIDie]

Is anyone other than me reading Kick@$$ 2? Millar is brilliant!

[IAmBatman]

I'll wait for it all to come out and pick up the collection. :-)

[Lord Pyre]

If you want a movie to look 100% realistic, you probably don't want to watch a movie about superheroes ... :-P
Has anyone seen Kick A**? It starts out very realistic and then goes absolutely nuts...

I really liked it. Imho one of the better superhero origin movies of late.

I saw it with a friend, and it took us a week to figure out if we liked it or not. We decided we hated it, in the end. Sure, the story was interesting, but the comedy wasn't funny when you realized that high-schoolers were slaughtering people or causing the deaths of TONS of people without a second thought. Some people might find that funny, but we found it uncomfortable.
I don't like senseless deaths for the most part, and that's the ONLY thing I didn't like about the Hellboy films. Any nameless character on a mission died. So pointless. :p

[Margloth]

If you want a movie to look 100% realistic, you probably don't want to watch a movie about superheroes ... :-P
Has anyone seen Kick A**? It starts out very realistic and then goes absolutely nuts...

I really liked it. Imho one of the better superhero origin movies of late.

I saw it with a friend, and it took us a week to figure out if we liked it or not. We decided we hated it, in the end. Sure, the story was interesting, but the comedy wasn't funny when you realized that high-schoolers were slaughtering people or causing the deaths of TONS of people without a second thought. Some people might find that funny, but we found it uncomfortable.
I don't like senseless deaths for the most part, and that's the ONLY thing I didn't like about the Hellboy films. Any nameless character on a mission died. So pointless. :p
You're right, it's definitely not for everyone. Watching a seven year old girl kill people is kinda hard to take...

...that being said, you kind of have to get to a point where you decide if you're taking the movie seriously, or just accepting it as a wild ride. If you enjoy the entertainment aspect, I think it's a fun movie.

[IAmBatman]

If I only liked movies where the heroes only took actions I morally agreed with ... well I wouldn't have much fun at the movies at all. :-P

[Lord Pyre]

If I only liked movies where the heroes only took actions I morally agreed with ... well I wouldn't have much fun at the movies at all. :-P

Well, at the same time, I love zombie movies. And there's TONS of pointless deaths there. :p

But for a comedy, it just wasn't funny. For something serious, they weren't taking anything seriously. Everything just felt wrong when they did something in between...

Speaking of Kick-Ass, has anyone seen Super? I don't even know if it's out yet, I only heard of it through an article in the paper. It looks similar to Kick-Ass, and I was thinking about seeing it at some point. Anybody know anything about it?

[IAmBatman]

No deaths in zombie movies are pointless. :-P It's survivalism to the max.

[Xn F M]

So I was playing around with making my own Omega Red custom a couple weeks back (just before he hit the playtesting thread) and I ordered the figure. Once he came in I realized how ridiculously based he is but I think I came up with a pretty good solution (it even uses recycled bits from another C3G official figure :D).

(I know this would be best in Red's book, but it'll probably be a while before we get access to that and this might be able to help somebody now.)

So I popped Red off of the chunk of Sentinel and removed his little foot tab. Then I took one of my left over masonry columns from the official Batman figure and cut a notch in the cap-stone with a hobby knife for Omega Red's foot to slot into. Then I used a utility knife to trim the column down to two-bricks tall because it really doesn't need to be any taller than that. After that all you need to do is apply a little bit of super glue and you get a much more appropriately based Omega Red.

http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff355/xnfm/downsize.jpg

He's still a little wide though . . . .

http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff355/xnfm/ored2.jpg

I had to do a quick and dirty repaint on the top of the column to hide where I removed Batman, but that was just a little three minute job.

[Griffin]

Somehow I missed this, but Josh Pence (on the left) has been casted to play a young Ra's al Ghul in the new film Batman: The Dark Knight Rises.
http://blogs.coventrytelegraph.net/thegeekfiles/Josh%20Pence%20Liam%20Neeson%20Ra%27s%20al%20Ghul.jpg

And of course Bane and Catwoman are the main villains and will be played by Tom Hardy (top) and Anne Hathaway (bottom).

http://www.reelcomix.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/tom_hardy-bronson.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_qTbQgwy8qkk/ShXJa56h50I/AAAAAAAAASM/c_HR4x1rbfM/s400/anne-hathaway6.jpg


Oh yeah, and Joseph Gordon Levitt who co-starred with Tom Hardy in Christopher Nolin's Inception, will also make an appearance in the film, but as who exactly? It is likely that he will be a young Falcone member that ascends to "top dawg" and also as a fall guy for the crime family. But wait! This just jumped out at me. Look at how similar Joseph (right) looks to Heath Ledger (left). What if, what if, he will take over the roll as the Joker? Maybe not the main attraction in the film, but as character that can offer some early closure, similar to what Scarecrow did in the beginning of the Dark Knight.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Ei2y3_a96ps/TUm22Ii_OgI/AAAAAAAADFc/D6K6WhTHe58/s400/heath-ledger-joseph-gordon-levitt.jpg


Then after looking it up, there are a LOT of fans that are speculating the very same thing! You never know, but he has grown his hair out to shoulder length.... :)

[Griffin]

A couple more images to think about. ;)

http://images.teamsugar.com/files/users/1/13254/14_2007/heath.jpg

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l8ejguied61qdq3teo1_500.png

[Lord Pyre]

Holy crap, Tom Hardy looks much different like that!!!

And holy crap, Joseph is Heath's twin! :shock:

[IAmBatman]

Joseph is gonna be a gangster. I'd be shocked if we see Joker return. :-P
Marian Contillard (or whatever) the wife from Inception is cast as well, and conspiracy theorists are pretty sure she's going to be Talia.

[Griffin]

Shock!

[IAmBatman]

:lol:

[johnny139]

Marian Contillard (or whatever) the wife from Inception is cast as well, and conspiracy theorists are pretty sure she's going to be Talia.

Particularly since there's leaked shots of what may be the Lazarus Pit.

http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/dark-knight-india1.jpg

[Lord Pyre]

Joseph is gonna be a gangster. I'd be shocked if we see Joker return. :-P
Marian Contillard (or whatever) the wife from Inception is cast as well, and conspiracy theorists are pretty sure she's going to be Talia.

http://forkthisllama.blogspot.com/2011/04/status-update-marion-cotillard-and.html

Looks like he's just a cop from this report. :shrug:

[Griffin]

And she will just be a Wayne Enterprises Board member, enthusiastic to help Bruce recover..... sounds like a perfect disguise for Talia.

[Lord Pyre]

And she will just be a Wayne Enterprises Board member, enthusiastic to help Bruce recover..... sounds like a perfect disguise for Talia.

Well, yeah, but Nolan and friends have explicitly stated that Joker isn't coming back.

[Griffin]

And she will just be a Wayne Enterprises Board member, enthusiastic to help Bruce recover..... sounds like a perfect disguise for Talia.

Well, yeah, but Nolan and friends have explicitly stated that Joker isn't coming back.
He has also said that it is a possibility. Besides, people in that industry hide what they are doing all the time. Secrecy is an important tool to them.

[IAmBatman]

He's not a cop - he's confirmed as a member of the Falcone family. :-P Likely not the Holiday Killer, but his older brother.

[Lord Pyre]

He's not a cop - he's confirmed as a member of the Falcone family. :-P Likely not the Holiday Killer, but his older brother.

Where was that confirmed? He'd make a great Alberto, I'm sad if he won't be!
Gosh, now I want a Long Hallowe'en storyline, but Harvey's already dead, and throwing in Holiday and Calender Man when we already have Bane and Catwoman... Might be a bit much. :p

[Margloth]

Here's the thing I'm worried about:

Nolan (and Bale, I believe) has said this will be the end of his involvment with the Batman trilogy. It kinda seems like he's opening a lot of doors here.

My only complaint about the Dark Knight is I really feel it was two movies smashed into one. If it had been a two-parter (Joker rises, Dent and Bruce take on corruption for the first, Joker 'turns' Two-Face for the second), he could have taken his time on some plot points that seemed rushed (pretty much the entire existence of Two-Face, for example).

Now Bane + Catwoman seems like it would be tough to incorporate into one movie. Add in Talia (which I think Griff is spot on about), and the Falcone family, and I wonder how he's gonna fit it all.

[Griffin]

Now Bane + Catwoman seems like it would be tough to incorporate into one movie. Add in Talia (which I think Griff is spot on about), and the Falcone family, and I wonder how he's gonna fit it all.
With 3 hours of film. :p

I could see Catwoman being hired to steal Bane's drug while Bane is trying to take over the Gotham crime world, while Batman is trying to stop them while trying to prevent corporate espionage from the League of Assassins secretly led by Talia, and all that while avoiding the cops that are hunting him down. Sounds like a crazy awesome movie to me. :D

[Lord Pyre]

Now Bane + Catwoman seems like it would be tough to incorporate into one movie. Add in Talia (which I think Griff is spot on about), and the Falcone family, and I wonder how he's gonna fit it all.
With 3 hours of film. :p

I could see Catwoman being hired to steal Bane's drug while Bane is trying to take over the Gotham crime world, while Batman is trying to stop them while trying to prevent corporate espionage from the League of Assassins secretly led by Talia, and all that while avoiding the cops that are hunting him down. Sounds like a crazy awesome movie to me. :D

This must must be at least 3 hours to contain all that awesome. :D

[Griffin]

Now Bane + Catwoman seems like it would be tough to incorporate into one movie. Add in Talia (which I think Griff is spot on about), and the Falcone family, and I wonder how he's gonna fit it all.
With 3 hours of film. :p

I could see Catwoman being hired to steal Bane's drug while Bane is trying to take over the Gotham crime world, while Batman is trying to stop them while trying to prevent corporate espionage from the League of Assassins secretly led by Talia, and all that while avoiding the cops that are hunting him down. Sounds like a crazy awesome movie to me. :D

This must must be at least 3 hours to contain all that awesome. :D
I really wouldn't be surprised if this one spills over the 3 hour mark by a little bit. So word of advice: bring a couple of empty mountain dew bottles and sit in the back of the theater where no one can see what you are doing. :lol:

[Lord Pyre]

Now Bane + Catwoman seems like it would be tough to incorporate into one movie. Add in Talia (which I think Griff is spot on about), and the Falcone family, and I wonder how he's gonna fit it all.
With 3 hours of film. :p

I could see Catwoman being hired to steal Bane's drug while Bane is trying to take over the Gotham crime world, while Batman is trying to stop them while trying to prevent corporate espionage from the League of Assassins secretly led by Talia, and all that while avoiding the cops that are hunting him down. Sounds like a crazy awesome movie to me. :D

This must must be at least 3 hours to contain all that awesome. :D
I really wouldn't be surprised if this one spills over the 3 hour mark by a little bit. So word of advice: bring a couple of empty mountain dew bottles and sit in the back of the theater where no one can see what you are doing. :lol:

I'll just pee beforehand, I can hold it.

At least, I HOPE that's what you were talking about. :shock:

[Margloth]

Well, Nolan has stated that this film will be about Batman overcoming obstacles and unforseen events, so I feel pretty certain Bruce's back will get broken in this film.

Perhaps with so many big names, he will explore the "power vacuum" aspect? Since the Dark Knight was something of a parable of the United States vs. Terrorism, I think this would be an interesting route to take. Batman (U.S.) breaks his back (facing economic and other issues), has to deal with rising powers (Catwoman, Bane, possibly whoever Gordon-Levitt is portraying for Batman, China, Korea, Iran for the US). Some of the rising powers aren't so evil, but do you allow the 'running of the scene' by people who may not hold all the same interests as you?

[Griffin]

I doubt any backs will be broken in this film, and no cats will be harmed in the making of this film either, but some may want to hit it. :lol:

[Margloth]

I doubt any backs will be broken in this film, and no cats will be harmed in the making of this film either, but some may want to hit it. :lol:
Why? That seems pretty iconic for the Bane/Batman story, and it seems like a good fit for the route Nolan has suggested.

It also adds a fit for the Lazarus Pits, where Batman seeks out Talia to heal himself.

[Griffin]

I doubt any backs will be broken in this film, and no cats will be harmed in the making of this film either, but some may want to hit it. :lol:
Why? That seems pretty iconic for the Bane/Batman story, and it seems like a good fit for the route Nolan has suggested.

It also adds a fit for the Lazarus Pits, where Batman seeks out Talia to heal himself.
The ONLY reason I doubt it, is because a broken Batman means a lot of film time with NO Batman.... I just highly doubt that. Unless of course, he is badly hurt, maybe a hairline fracture, then recovers in that Lazarus pit quickly or time is sped up.

I just have a hard time seeing that happen. Though I wouldn't be surprised if there is a tip of the hat to that story line.

For the record, I don't think Bane's story is gonna be any more true to his origin story than Scarecrow's, Joker's, or Two-Face's.

[IAmBatman]

He's not a cop - he's confirmed as a member of the Falcone family. :-P Likely not the Holiday Killer, but his older brother.

Where was that confirmed? He'd make a great Alberto, I'm sad if he won't be!
Gosh, now I want a Long Hallowe'en storyline, but Harvey's already dead, and throwing in Holiday and Calender Man when we already have Bane and Catwoman... Might be a bit much. :p

All my info comes from Batman-on-film.com

I doubt any backs will be broken in this film, and no cats will be harmed in the making of this film either, but some may want to hit it. :lol:
Why? That seems pretty iconic for the Bane/Batman story, and it seems like a good fit for the route Nolan has suggested.

It also adds a fit for the Lazarus Pits, where Batman seeks out Talia to heal himself.
The ONLY reason I doubt it, is because a broken Batman means a lot of film time with NO Batman.... I just highly doubt that. Unless of course, he is badly hurt, maybe a hairline fracture, then recovers in that Lazarus pit quickly or time is sped up.

I just have a hard time seeing that happen. Though I wouldn't be surprised if there is a tip of the hat to that story line.

For the record, I don't think Bane's story is gonna be any more true to his origin story than Scarecrow's, Joker's, or Two-Face's.

I'd be shocked if any backs were broken as well. Nolan, as evidenced in his prior two films, really wants to portray the Dark Knight in as realistic a way as possible (a reason Two-Face didn't get a movie all to himself - he never would've lasted more than a couple of days with that open face wound - talk about risk for infection).
In the Nolanverse, I don't think we see Batman's back broken, because there's no miracle cures to heal him available. And since this is a story of the Dark Knight rising, that doesn't really mesh.

[Griffin]

I could see a Lazarus Pit being explained as a rare hot spring saturated in Oxygen. Oxygen has healing properties to it, so I think it is "possible".

[johnny139]

Hey, if Nolan made me believe that Bruce Wayne had somehow implanted sonic chips in every cell phone in Gotham City which in turn enabled him to see the entire city through some sort of weird high-tech echolocation, I'll buy a pit of healing easy.

[Griffin]

:stupid:

[Spidey'tilIDie]

Does anyone think the gritty-ness of these Nolan films (and the titles) is setting things up for an eventual Dark Knight Returns movie trilogy? I am not saying I have any evidence, just that there are some definate similarities to Miller's style and Nolan's films. Also, I can recognize a really good story when I see one, and I think, so can Hollywood. Which, IMO, is why they are finally really looking to comics for the awesome summer blockbusters we comic book fans have always longed for.

[IAmBatman]

I think I heard a while back that Zach Synder really wanted to do a DKR.

[johnny139]

I'll still hold out hope that, someday, we can get a Batman Beyond movie with Clint Eastwood as Bruce Wayne.

(I can hope.)

[Spidey'tilIDie]

Man, I soooo wanted to see Bruce Willis as Bruce Wayne for DKR, but I think he is past the point where he could pull it off. He could make a good Commisioner Gordon for DKR though. Maybe Viggo Mortenson in a couple more years for Bruce?

[Griffin]

Nolin said this was hit last Bat-Film, but WB and Bail both said that they would be interested in doing more even without Nolin.

Mark Hamil as the Joker in a Batman Beyond movie would be very smart IMO.

[Balantai]

I abosutely love your new avatar, Spidey! :thumbsup:

[IAmBatman]

I'd be shocked if Bale does any Batman films after Dark Knight Rises.

[Griffin]

I'd be shocked if Bale does any Batman films after Dark Knight Rises.
I agree, but I am guessing that decision will be made for him. I believe after this last Nolin-Bats film, we will not see Batman on film again until he is re-imagined as more of a Justice League Batman that works in the world of the entire DCU.

[IAmBatman]

I'm not sure when we'll see a Batman film again, but, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a large break from them while DC develops other properties like Superman, Green Lantern, and hopefully others like Flash! :-)

[Hidicul]

Flash would be great

[tcglkn]

I want Flash and Green Lantern so badly. I've seen rumors of a 2012 or 13 Flash movie.

[Griffin]

I think Wonder Woman is the catalyst to tie in several films into a greater universe. Well, really Green Lantern, but her movie could incorporate a lot of characters.

[Karat]

Aquaman wouldn't be a bad idea IMO either

[IAmBatman]

Aquaman wouldn't be a bad idea IMO either

If they took a page from Thor's book and gave it a Lord of the Rings under the sea feel, yeah, Aquaman could be good.

[Griffin]

Aquaman wouldn't be a bad idea IMO either

If they took a page from Thor's book and gave it a Lord of the Rings under the sea feel, yeah, Aquaman could be good.
I completely agree. Embracing his Atlantean Heritage is the ONLY way to do Aquaman for live action.

[Karat]

Aquaman wouldn't be a bad idea IMO either

If they took a page from Thor's book and gave it a Lord of the Rings under the sea feel, yeah, Aquaman could be good.
I completely agree. Embracing his Atlantean Heritage is the ONLY way to do Aquaman for live action.
:word:

[Lord Pyre]

I'm not sure when we'll see a Batman film again, but, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a large break from them while DC develops other properties like Superman, Green Lantern, and hopefully others like Flash! :-)

I heard that they plan to reboot Batman like right after DKR, with Nolan as an advisor or something. I'm not so thrilled about that news, if it's true.

[Balantai]

I'm not sure when we'll see a Batman film again, but, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a large break from them while DC develops other properties like Superman, Green Lantern, and hopefully others like Flash! :-)
With the amount of money the Batman franchise is making, I'd be shocked if we don't see another Batman film within 3 years of Dark Knight Rises.

[johnny139]

Don't put any money on non-Batman or Superman properties in the near future - unless Green Lantern is the next Iron Man, it's not happening. I mean, if you want an example, look at the DTVs.

They start off with a diverse line-up. Some Superman, some Batman, some Wonder Woman, some Green Lantern. Showcase Shorts for Jonah Hex and Green Arrow and other "bit players." And everything without Batman fails. Green Lantern sequel? Cancelled. Shorts? Cancelled. Wonder Woman? Batgirl? Teen Titans? Cancelled. All replaced with Batman, Superman/Batman, and Justice League.

DC has learned time and time again that properties other than Batman are generally failures. Superman is able to limp by, sure, but unless there's Batman front and center, the movie just won't sell. So they have the same strategy for their live-action properties.

Right now they're putting a LOT into Green Lantern... if it goes well, there might be a chance at Flash. If it doesn't (and frankly I don't have high hopes for it), they'll quit again and go back to churning out Batman every few years. And it's not as if they're not trying - we've all seen the pitches for Wonder Woman and Raven and Blue Beetle and Aquaman... but no one buys them.

I can't explain why movies like Iron Man and Thor, with equally obscure characters, are huge successes, while DC can't even get a good Wonder Woman movie off the ground. Poor business strategy, I guess.

[Griffin]

Don't put any money on non-Batman or Superman properties in the near future - unless Green Lantern is the next Iron Man, it's not happening. I mean, if you want an example, look at the DTVs.

They start off with a diverse line-up. Some Superman, some Batman, some Wonder Woman, some Green Lantern. Showcase Shorts for Jonah Hex and Green Arrow and other "bit players." And everything without Batman fails. Green Lantern sequel? Cancelled. Shorts? Cancelled. Wonder Woman? Batgirl? Teen Titans? Cancelled. All replaced with Batman, Superman/Batman, and Justice League.

DC has learned time and time again that properties other than Batman are generally failures. Superman is able to limp by, sure, but unless there's Batman front and center, the movie just won't sell. So they have the same strategy for their live-action properties.

Right now they're putting a LOT into Green Lantern... if it goes well, there might be a chance at Flash. If it doesn't (and frankly I don't have high hopes for it), they'll quit again and go back to churning out Batman every few years. And it's not as if they're not trying - we've all seen the pitches for Wonder Woman and Raven and Blue Beetle and Aquaman... but no one buys them.

I can't explain why movies like Iron Man and Thor, with equally obscure characters, are huge successes, while DC can't even get a good Wonder Woman movie off the ground. Poor business strategy, I guess.
I don't think it is impossible for WB to be successful with a non-Batman film AT ALL. Superman Returns may have been crap to us, but it did make a crap ton of money - it was successful. Just because it hasn't been done right doesn't mean that it can't be done. I mean with that attitude, we would have never invented airplanes.

The problem is not with the characters or their stories, the problem is how they are told and how they are experienced.

We are at a point in time now where visual effects can accomplish what comics have been doing for decades. The reason why Batman has pulled off so many successes, is because there are very few fantastic visuals that exist in his Gothamverse.

Do you think Avatar would have made as much money as it did 10 years ago? No way! It is because of the visual effects that it did so well. NOW, with Green Lantern, which is very comparable to Avatar visually, we will have some of the same success (but without the strong liberal agenda of course, the media will not love it as much for sure).

I bet that Green Lantern's first week makes more than Iron Man I or Iron Man II's first week - and that is because of the FANTASTIC VISUALS. Everyone will want to see this at the Imax in 3D, and several times over.

[IAmBatman]

I agree that this Green Lantern film is absolutely pivotal when it comes to the future of DCU live action films.
I think Green Lantern may have begun to flip the script when it comes to the Batman/Superman dominance of DC properties, though. Sinestro War and Blackest Night have given GL a huge profile in the comic book world and I think that there may be carry over from that. We'll see. :-)

Edit: Griff, Superman Returns did make money, but it absolutely fell below DC's expectations when it came to money. If it hadn't, we'd have seen another Brandon Routh Superman movie by now, instead of a reboot of the franchise.

[quozl]

I bet that Green Lantern's first week makes more than Iron Man I or Iron Man II's first week - and that is because of the FANTASTIC VISUALS. Everyone will want to see this at the Imax in 3D, and several times over.

While I hope you're right, I doubt it. The visuals look pretty lame to me in the previews. That said, I'm going to see it because I think Ryan Reynolds is funny.

[1Mmirg]

I hope you're right, Griff. I definitely--100%--agree that it's not the characters or their stories but how they are told.

For whatever reason, DC has really struggled to tell the other stories well. Sure, Batman (I would argue) has one of the best and most compelling stories in the comic world, but there is plenty of room to tell a strong Flash story, if someone takes it on the way Iron Man was done.

Marvel has had ups and downs with little relation to the characters, but just how they were presented. The difference between X-Men II and X-Men III is ample evidence of that--it wasn't the characters, it was the way they were done in that film.

I hope that GL ends up being better than I think and really attracts a crowd. It'd be great to see DC keep at some great stories.

[IAmBatman]

quozl - I think CGI is hit or miss based on the individual fan. I don't mind it, but I'm more willing to go willful suspension of disbelief than a lot of folks.

1Mmirg - I thought all the X-Men movies were pretty flawed when it came to character development. They all had actors who really looked the part, but they didn't do much with them, IMO. I will give X-2 credit for that opening scene with Nightcrawler, though, which was fabulous.

[Spidey'tilIDie]

X-Men 1 was the best of the franchise for one reason: character development. The plot centered around the characters instead of action sequences. Many people complained about this and so the second had more action but still had quite a bit of character development. The third one however, had almost no plot development or character development and was almost a "how-many-mutants-can-we-introduce-in-2-hours" approach. Spider-Man 3 suffered from the same thing. Too many pivotal characters to the plot were introduced in the same movie. Look at the first Star Wars trilogy or (sorry for this) Harry Potter on how characters should be introduced in movie franchises. Yeah, we geeks just loved seeing Venom, but Eddie Brock's intro as a rival photog or reporter in Spider-Man 1 would have made for much better character development. In short, most Comic Movie sequels suffer from the same problem: too much, too fast. Iron Man 2 was well done because they decided to limit the new characters to 3; Whiplash, Justin Hammer, and Black Widow. And Black Widow had little more than a cameo, just enough to leave us wanting more. Which Avengers will give us. Nice set-up there. All of this too many new characters in too little time crap can be traced to Joel Schumacher and his stupid decision to intro Robin, a new love interest, Riddler, and Two-face in one movie. Tommy Lee Jones is a fantastic actor, what a waste that was. But I digress. He then further cemented how stupid this was by following up with the Batgirl, Poison Ivy, Bane, Mr. Freeze follow up. At least here he didn't really waste any great actors. IMO, one of the best things Nolan has done, is that the previous films have really been driven by two villains (a lesser and a greater villain, both of whom get character development time), which I hope he sticks with. Anymore than that has proven to be too much.

[Balantai]

X-Men 1 was the best of the franchise for one reason: character development. The plot centered around the characters instead of action sequences. Many people complained about this and so the second had more action but still had quite a bit of character development. The third one however, had almost no plot development or character development and was almost a "how-many-mutants-can-we-introduce-in-2-hours" approach. Spider-Man 3 suffered from the same thing. Too many pivotal characters to the plot were introduced in the same movie. Look at the first Star Wars trilogy or (sorry for this) Harry Potter on how characters should be introduced in movie franchises. Yeah, we geeks just loved seeing Venom, but Eddie Brock's intro as a rival photog or reporter in Spider-Man 1 would have made for much better character development. In short, most Comic Movie sequels suffer from the same problem: too much, too fast. Iron Man 2 was well done because they decided to limit the new characters to 3; Whiplash, Justin Hammer, and Black Widow. And Black Widow had little more than a cameo, just enough to leave us wanting more. Which Avengers will give us. Nice set-up there. All of this too many new characters in too little time crap can be traced to Joel Schumacher and his stupid decision to intro Robin, a new love interest, Riddler, and Two-face in one movie. Tommy Lee Jones is a fantastic actor, what a waste that was. But I digress. He then further cemented how stupid this was by following up with the Batgirl, Poison Ivy, Bane, Mr. Freeze follow up. At least here he didn't really waste any great actors. IMO, one of the best things Nolan has done, is that the previous films have really been driven by two villains (a lesser and a greater villain, both of whom get character development time), which I hope he sticks with. Anymore than that has proven to be too much.
Spidey's not just a pretty face; he knows what's up, too.

[Good Pig]

:word: Great breakdown.

[IAmBatman]

X-Men 1 had OK to decent character development. Like all of the X-Men movies, Wolverine got a lot of face time and development. X-Men 1 probably did the best with developing Prof X and Magneto of the franchise. Like all the movies, Cyclops got the short end of the stick on character development and Jean Grey was mostly just a pretty face. Storm was a prop in all of the movies with little to no character development. Sabretooth was a complete throwaway character in X-Men 1. One of the few virtues of the mostly awful Wolverine movie is that they did a heck of a lot better job developing Sabretooth's character there are least.
Really Rogue, Wolverine, Prof X, and Magneto were the only characters they did a particularly good job developing maybe over the entire X-Men trilogy. So while I will agree that X-Men 1 did the best job overall when it comes to character development (and the worst overall when it came to action - talk about a boring climactic battle), I don't think the "best" on this scale is all that impressive a thing.

[Griffin]

X-Men 1 had OK to decent character development. Like all of the X-Men movies, Wolverine got a lot of face time and development. X-Men 1 probably did the best with developing Prof X and Magneto of the franchise. Like all the movies, Cyclops got the short end of the stick on character development and Jean Grey was mostly just a pretty face. Storm was a prop in all of the movies with little to no character development. Sabretooth was a complete throwaway character in X-Men 1. One of the few virtues of the mostly awful Wolverine movie is that they did a heck of a lot better job developing Sabretooth's character there are least.
Really Rogue, Wolverine, Prof X, and Magneto were the only characters they did a particularly good job developing maybe over the entire X-Men trilogy. So while I will agree that X-Men 1 did the best job overall when it comes to character development (and the worst overall when it came to action - talk about a boring climactic battle), I don't think the "best" on this scale is all that impressive a thing.
:word: Finally some truth and straight talk.

[Good Pig]

I loved the intro cage fight scene in the bar in Canada. The sound effects as Wolverine's skull cracks into the opponents. Wicked awesome. :)

[IAmBatman]

Yeah, that was pretty cool. But it's kind of sad that it might've been the best fight in the movie.
Of course I also think the Blob fight was the best fight in Wolverine. :-P

[Griffin]

I loved the intro cage fight scene in the bar in Canada. The sound effects as Wolverine's skull cracks into the opponents. Wicked awesome. :)
Basically just seeing Wolverine as a live action was a dream come true. However, the only real emotion in that entire film that resonated for me was when Eric Lehnsher was a lad at the gates of the prison camp. That is the best 5 minutes of all of the X movies combined.

[Margloth]

I loved the intro cage fight scene in the bar in Canada. The sound effects as Wolverine's skull cracks into the opponents. Wicked awesome. :)
Basically just seeing Wolverine as a live action was a dream come true. However, the only real emotion in that entire film that resonated for me was when Eric Lehnsher was a lad at the gates of the prison camp. That is the best 5 minutes of all of the X movies combined.
Definitely. Although the final chess scene, and Ian McKellen's eyes in the 2nd movie when he slowly, and almost tearfully, reveals to Xavier that he's been forced to talk are very moving as well.

[IAmBatman]

Agreed - kind of like how the first 15 minutes of the original Christopher Reeves Superman film is the best 15 minutes of all Superman on film combined (live action, of course).

[Griffin]

Agreed - kind of like how the first 15 minutes of the original Christopher Reeves Superman film is the best 15 minutes of all Superman on film combined (live action, of course).
Well spotted.

[Griffin]

I loved the intro cage fight scene in the bar in Canada. The sound effects as Wolverine's skull cracks into the opponents. Wicked awesome. :)
Basically just seeing Wolverine as a live action was a dream come true. However, the only real emotion in that entire film that resonated for me was when Eric Lehnsher was a lad at the gates of the prison camp. That is the best 5 minutes of all of the X movies combined.
Definitely. Although the final chess scene, and Ian McKellen's eyes in the 2nd movie when he slowly, and almost tearfully, reveals to Xavier that he's been forced to talk are very moving as well.
Touche.

[Porkins]

Agreed - kind of like how the first 15 minutes of the original Christopher Reeves Superman film is the best 15 minutes of all Superman on film combined (live action, of course).

Kind of like the entire 120 minutes of the third Superman film (the Richard Pryor robot/fake Kryptonite one) were the worst 120 minutes of any superhero film ever.

[Griffin]

Agreed - kind of like how the first 15 minutes of the original Christopher Reeves Superman film is the best 15 minutes of all Superman on film combined (live action, of course).

Kind of like the entire 120 minutes of the third Superman film (the Richard Pryor robot/fake Kryptonite one) were the worst 120 minutes of any superhero film ever anyone's life.
Fixed. :lol:

[quozl]

I liked the scene where good Superman fought bad Superman!

[Spidey'tilIDie]

Dude, the scene where Mystique busts Magneto out of his cell was awesome! When he uses the Iron in that dude's blood to create metal balls to shoot the guards with and then creates metal platforms for him to walk across, I mean that IS Magneto!

And as far as Spider-Man goes the first scene where he webswings after the mugger was the best.

Funny, how most of the moments we key on all seem to be "straight-out-of-the-comic" scenes. I mean the best part of Wolverine:Origins was the opening which was panel for panel straight from Origin. Why doesn't Hollywood see that the best way to put it on film is the original way, not to edit it or change it?

[IAmBatman]

Agreed - kind of like how the first 15 minutes of the original Christopher Reeves Superman film is the best 15 minutes of all Superman on film combined (live action, of course).

Kind of like the entire 120 minutes of the third Superman film (the Richard Pryor robot/fake Kryptonite one) were the worst 120 minutes of any superhero film ever.

It's foolish to dismiss the apocalyptic messes that were "Catwoman" and "Batman and Robin."

Dude, the scene where Mystique busts Magneto out of his cell was awesome! When he uses the Iron in that dude's blood to create metal balls to shoot the guards with and then creates metal platforms for him to walk across, I mean that IS Magneto!

And as far as Spider-Man goes the first scene where he webswings after the mugger was the best.

Funny, how most of the moments we key on all seem to be "straight-out-of-the-comic" scenes. I mean the best part of Wolverine:Origins was the opening which was panel for panel straight from Origin. Why doesn't Hollywood see that the best way to put it on film is the original way, not to edit it or change it?

That's an oversimplification, IMO, Spidey. I agree with you on general principle, but I'm much more interested in movies that get creative while staying true (and sometimes realizing more powerfully) the "essence" of the character (like Ledger's Joker) than films that merely put comic books on screen panel-for-panel (like Watchmen, which was a competent film, but not quite spectacular, because it was missing this additional filmmaking creativity to take it beyond the original work of art).

[Lord Pyre]

I just watched Special. GREAT film! About a guy who thinks he has superpowers. It was really a sad movie, but the acting was great, and the story felt like it could be real. All in all, just great.

[Margloth]

:grandfather:Guys, I feel like gettin' some stories... :grandfather:

Any good comic reads recommended? I'm pretty far behind: my dad raised me on old Jack Kirby/Stan Lee stuff growing up, my modern (read post-1970) knowledge is a bit spotty...

[Lord Pyre]

:grandfather:Guys, I feel like gettin' some stories... :grandfather:

Any good comic reads recommended? I'm pretty far behind: my dad raised me on old Jack Kirby/Stan Lee stuff growing up, my modern (read post-1970) knowledge is a bit spotty...

Batman: The Long Hallowe'en; Batman: Arkham Asylum; Invincible.

Some of my favorites!

[Griffin]

:grandfather:Guys, I feel like gettin' some stories... :grandfather:

Any good comic reads recommended? I'm pretty far behind: my dad raised me on old Jack Kirby/Stan Lee stuff growing up, my modern (read post-1970) knowledge is a bit spotty...
Kingdom Come is my favorite of all time. I highly recommend that one. Also, Crisis on Infinite Earth's is a classic. The Watchmen is good. Sinestro Wars. Blackest Night. MARVEL Zombies. Walking Dead.

[Griffin]

Can someone PLEASE take a good pic of this figure?

http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww285/zanyaggie/DSCN1537.jpg



The figure used for this unit is a Heroclix figure from the Danger Room set.
Its model number and name are 006 / Storm.

[quozl]

Just wanted to let everyone know there's a map contest for Gencon and the voting has begun! (Check the link in my signature.)

Both me and my daughter (louisan) have entered and we'd appreciate it if you voted. Don't feel obligated to vote for ours -- my daughter already voted against me!

[Margloth]

Just wanted to let everyone know there's a map contest for Gencon and the voting has begun! (Check the link in my signature.)

Both me and my daughter (louisan) have entered and we'd appreciate it if you voted. Don't feel obligated to vote for ours -- my daughter already voted against me!
There are some great maps (including your daughter's and yours!) too!

[Spidey'tilIDie]

:grandfather:Guys, I feel like gettin' some stories... :grandfather:

Any good comic reads recommended? I'm pretty far behind: my dad raised me on old Jack Kirby/Stan Lee stuff growing up, my modern (read post-1970) knowledge is a bit spotty...
Kingdom Come is my favorite of all time. I highly recommend that one. Also, Crisis on Infinite Earth's is a classic. The Watchmen is good. Sinestro Wars. Blackest Night. MARVEL Zombies. Walking Dead.
I don't know how many you are picking up, but if I had to put them in order: Crisis on Inifinite Earths (it is the greatest and first "event" story, without it the current continuity won't make sense), Kingdom Come (Best Art, great story), The Phoenix Saga or the Skrull Invasion (crucial Marvel reading), Watchmen (which is even more interesting when you know who the characters were supposed to be.) Invincible is my favorite Indy comic.

[Margloth]

Thanks for all the recommendations. I actually have read Watchmen, and loved it.

They didn't have Crisis On Infinite Earths at the bookstore I went to, so I picked up Infinite Crisis and Final Crisis. Infinite was pretty good, I thought. Final (so far) is less compelling.

I actually almost picked up Kingdom Come based on artwork alone. I wish now, after seeing the chorus of :thumbsup:, that I had grabbed it! Next time...

[IAmBatman]

Kingdom Come is definitely worthwhile. Better version of future DC than Dark Knight Returns (though that isn't bad either).
I'll throw out love for pretty much everything Griff and Spidey mentioned as well except the Phoenix Saga/Skrull Invasions stuff, which I haven't read. :-P

[Karat]

Umm what's going on with Mad Hatter? Did he disappear into the Sanctum for some unknown reason..or what?

[Griffin]

Good Pig had some major issues with him being FAR too powerful, so we moved him there for a bit to fix the design in a manageable environment and we will move him back very soon.

[Margloth]

Just wanted to say, now that I've been reading Infinite Crisis and Final Crisis, that some of the opinions I voiced in my Superman playtest about Supes being too powerful were unfounded.

Obviously I had an outdated, Golden Age Superman in mind. My bad! :)

[IAmBatman]

Can someone PLEASE take a good pic of this figure?

http://thumbs2.ebaystatic.com/m/mnme8Fvcjv8vf2PE62XZGJg/140.jpg



The figure used for this unit is a Heroclix figure from the Arkham Asylum set. Its model number and name are #001 /White Martian.

[Lord Pyre]

Can someone PLEASE take a good pic of this figure?

http://thumbs2.ebaystatic.com/m/mnme8Fvcjv8vf2PE62XZGJg/140.jpg



The figure used for this unit is a Heroclix figure from the Arkham Asylum set. Its model number and name are #001 /White Martian.


Ooh, interesting! Common, uncommon?

[LordEsenwienIV]

Now there was a unit that I am really looking forward for and would love to playtest.

[johnny139]

Me too! I tried to come up with a write-up for them but couldn't find a good balance between "sneaky" and "wild."

I don't have any pictures, though. :p

[IAmBatman]

It's all good, guys. A3n's got me covered. :-) I just started the LD today, so it'll probably be a week or two at least until it goes through playtesting, but keep an eye out!

[johnny139]

Our first look at Tom Hardy as Bane? (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=77792)

[Hidicul]

It's about time you got around to the White Martians Bats. I cant even remember how long I've been waiting to see what you do with them.

[A3n]

It's about time you got around to the White Martians Bats. I cant even remember how long I've been waiting to see what you do with them.

Same here actually ;).

[Lord Pyre]

Our first look at Tom Hardy as Bane? (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=77792)

:woot:

[IAmBatman]

Heh, sorry for the delay, guys. :-P I had a lot of work to do with the Fantastic Four set, LDing Avalanche, Anti-Monitor, Guy Gardner, Professor Zoom, Kang, Quicksilver, Jewel, Zatanna, Captain America,
Atom, and Bucky, and proxying for Dum Dum Dugan, Wasp, and Beyonder this year. :-P

[Griffin]

Heh, sorry for the delay, guys. :-P I had a lot of work to do with the Fantastic Four set, LDing Avalanche, Anti-Monitor, Guy Gardner, Professor Zoom, Kang, Quicksilver, Jewel, Zatanna, Captain America,
Atom, and Bucky, and proxying for Dum Dum Dugan, Wasp, and Beyonder this year. :-P
I think I have done twice that amount or more. :p

[IAmBatman]

Heh, sorry for the delay, guys. :-P I had a lot of work to do with the Fantastic Four set, LDing Avalanche, Anti-Monitor, Guy Gardner, Professor Zoom, Kang, Quicksilver, Jewel, Zatanna, Captain America,
Atom, and Bucky, and proxying for Dum Dum Dugan, Wasp, and Beyonder this year. :-P
I think I have done twice that amount or more. :p

I know. I'm a huge slacker. :roll:

[Margloth]

Our first look at Tom Hardy as Bane? (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=77792)
Cool! I'm actually kinda surprised he looks as 'Bane'-ish as he does.

In other news, Matthew Modine (Joker from Full Metal Jacket) has joined the cast as 'Nixon'. Not believed to be the President, but given that there are presumed to be flashback scenes (a young actor has been cast as Ra's al-Ghul), it's possible. The star of Ramona and Beezus has also joined the cast... think they'll take the single mother Catwoman route?

[Good Pig]

I thought the young Ra's al-Ghul was due to the Lazarus Pool. 8)

[Scapemage]

I picked up a Green Lantern Fast Forces pack of 'clix today and was quite pleased. Although the minis don't look accurate and rather look like the ones in the upcoming movie, they look cool to me. I'm glad about a cheap Kilowog (and Sinestro if you repaint), and finally an Abin Sur mini. Quite a good set if you ask me.

[quozl]

Just wanted to let everyone know there's a map contest for Gencon and the voting has begun! (Check the link in my signature.)

Both me and my daughter (louisan) have entered and we'd appreciate it if you voted. Don't feel obligated to vote for ours -- my daughter already voted against me!
There are some great maps (including your daughter's and yours!) too!

Thanks! Both of my daughter's maps have moved to Round Two and one of mine has. Please vote in round 2! (Links are in my signature.)

[Margloth]

I really like Ruined Tower... it got my vote again.

How cool would it be for your daughter if she won!

[quozl]

She's already really pumped that both her maps went to the next round!

[quozl]

It's nice to see a hero doing a public design again. :)

[davidlhsl]

It's nice to see a hero doing a public design again. :)

I sent him a PM earlier.

[Snappleman]

I picked up a Green Lantern Fast Forces pack of 'clix today and was quite pleased. Although the minis don't look accurate and rather look like the ones in the upcoming movie, they look cool to me. I'm glad about a cheap Kilowog (and Sinestro if you repaint), and finally an Abin Sur mini. Quite a good set if you ask me.

If you don't mind me asking, where did you pick it up? I'm looking to pick this up ASAP. I'd had ordered it online already if I didn't want to avoid paying shipping. The 4 other singles look decent as well.

[quozl]

I saw one in a game store for about $15. I didn't pick it up (yet).

[davidlhsl]

After all this time, I finally found enough Gotham Policemen and Street Thugs (12 each) in stock, so I went for it and placed an order. Just received them, plus some others, today.

Wasn't sure what would be used for Hired Guns and Bodyguards, or what they would be (squads or heroes). I guessed at Bodyguard and bought 6, which is what I order for heroes. Wasn't able to guess at Hired Guns, but I've got some Star Wars minis that would make good proxies.

Oh, and I found Graviton in stock a few weeks ago!

Pretty much caught up on almost all of the unreleased figures listed in the promo thread, but the heroes keep introducing new figures in the playtest thread! Oooo, that White Martian is pretty creepy looking, but I'll have to add that to my next order.

Really excited about the Cops though, as they're my favorite squad in C3G.

[IAmBatman]

The Beat Cops are an awesome squad. They're an anti-squad, pro-hero squad. :-)

[Griffin]

A squad of Beat Cops with Green Lantern (John Stewart) is awesome for only 404 points. A big attack each turn and pretty much 3 extra "battery markers" for GL's Power Shield with the cops, of course they are better because you can burn them off AFTER rolling defense dice.

[Lord Pyre]

A squad of Beat Cops with Green Lantern (John Stewart) is awesome for only 404 points. A big attack each turn and pretty much 3 extra "battery markers" for GL's Power Shield with the cops, of course they are better because you can burn them off AFTER rolling defense dice.

404 points? That's an awesome total. ;)

But yeah, I love the cops. Unfortunately I can never make them work well. They just seem to die right when I position them well, and they're slower than most vigilantes to keep up with them. :p Still trying!

[Good Pig]

A squad of Beat Cops with Green Lantern (John Stewart) is awesome for only 404 points. A big attack each turn and pretty much 3 extra "battery markers" for GL's Power Shield with the cops, of course they are better because you can burn them off AFTER rolling defense dice.

404 points? That's an awesome total. ;)

But yeah, I love the cops. Unfortunately I can never make them work well. They just seem to die right when I position them well, and they're slower than most vigilantes to keep up with them. :p Still trying!

I really like to use Gordon + Beat Cops x2 as a support core for the Vigilantes. Call For Backup makes moving/positioning them a lot easier.

[Griffin]

Batman = 200
Robin = 120
Alfred = 60
Gordon = 90
Beat Cops x2 = 130
___________________

Greatness = 600

[mrcrimson]

Wanted to see thor tonight but the wife got her way and instead we ended up seeing hangover part 2. Really wish we would have seen thor, hangover 2 was no where near as good as the first one. When she asked if I liked it I said "Remember Daredevil? Were even."

[Griffin]

LOL. I am surprised you didn't just go back to see Thor anyways. :p

[mrcrimson]

It was too late (movie started at 10:10pm). I believe I have Monday off, so I'll probably take my oldest to go see Thor that day.

[Griffin]

It is a great movie, except for one thing....... :poorpost:

[IAmBatman]

Thor was great. I saw Hangover II last night and enjoyed it, though. I know it's the same formula, but it's a formula that's still funny. :-) There were some stupid parts in the end that were kind of lazy and unbelievable, but all the shenanigans were the more important parts.

[tcglkn]

I've heard mixed reviews on the new Hangover. Of course its hard to top the first one. That was a classic.

[Margloth]

Well, the first Hangover was pretty stupid, too. The first time I watched it, I was like, "Heh. Pretty good."

It really took another viewing to realize that the characterizations / shenanigans were the purpose of the film rather than the story.

[Karat]

I saw Pirates of the Carribbean on Stranger Tides last night. It wasn't bad, but I still think none of them can top the first one.

[IAmBatman]

The first one is my least favorite. :-P Captain Jack was way less annoying in the sequels than he was in the first one.
That said, I'm only "meh" about the franchise as a whole.

[Karat]

The first one is my least favorite. :-P Captain Jack was way less annoying in the sequels than he was in the first one.
That said, I'm only "meh" about the franchise as a whole.
Well, what I liked better was the plot, and Jack is just all around crazy regardless so... :razz:

[Griffin]

PotC are pretty much throw away 2 hours of your life to whimsical childlike adventure. They are fun, but still very childish - kinda like the Harry Potter films. You really have to put yourself in an adventurous child-like state to enjoy them. There just isn't anything mentally stimulating for adults there.

[IAmBatman]

Yeah, I think that's ultimately my problem with them. Nice eye candy, but no soul. Eye candy doesn't really enthrall me for 2+ hours.

[Porkins]

Warning! Shameless thread plug:

Porkins' Dice Tower (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=36373)

I'm really happy with how this project is turning out, so I wanted to share :)

[Hahma]

I liked Thor a lot.

Didn't see new Pirates yet. I have only seen the first two and enjoyed them. Nothing great or deep, but fun enough.

Hangover 1 was okay, not great, and certainly not deserving of all the hype IMO. I just didn't think it was all that funny. I experienced real-life shenanigans that were funnier....like the time after an INXS concert in Honolulu when I gave my car keys to my buddy while we were at a nightclub in Waikiki. He left the club, I left the club later and took a wrong turn and spent 2 hours wandering around Waikiki/Honolulu drunk before I found where my car had been parked. I then started walking back to base which was 11 miles away and around 5am (after walking a couple miles) got picked up by this strange middle-aged Asian fellow.....:headshake:

[Griffin]

And six weeks later you found out you were pregnant. :lol:

[Hahma]

And six weeks later you found out you were pregnant. :lol:

No, I've still got my cherry. :D I was drunk and had been up for nearly 24 hours, but I wasn't that drunk and tired. Though, it was a crazy surreal hitch-hike ride that could have ended bad if I hadn't had some of my faculties remaining amidst the booze in my system. :poorpost:

[Good Pig]

So you're saying Dude, Where's My Car? is based on a true story. ;)

[Hahma]

So you're saying Dude, Where's My Car? is based on a true story. ;)

Well I never saw that movie, but I can say that during the 3 1/2 years that I was stationed in Hawaii, there were a few "Dude,Where's My Car?" moments for me.

I had a few other "Dude" moments. Here are but a few.

"Dude, that sucked getting kicked out of the Bon Jovi concert...before it even started."

"Dude, how'd I get in the shower, and why are my clothes all wet?"

"Dude, I can't believe I told Tony Dorsett that he couldn't sit at my table to watch a bikini contest"

"Dude, I can't believe I just saw a dead Hammerhead shark while in the water trying to set the anchor of this sailboat near the sandbar in Kaneohe Bay."

"Dude, I can't believe I got into a major brawl after the Pro-Bowl, and then ran over my hibachi that I had put under my car after tailgaiting."

"Dude, I can't believe that that crazy girl chasing me and my buddies in Waikiki with those keys sticking out from her fist."

"Dude, what was I thinking when I ran out of windshield washer fluid and added beer to the reservoir for the trip back to base."

"Dude, I can't believe that brawl we got in at the Green Door club at Pearl Harbor."

"Dude, how'd I get from that 57' sailboat to Dirty Dan's, and why did that big Samoan bouncer nearly kick us out when I helped that girl get out of her bikini top? She asked me to help!"

"Dude, I can't believe I did a wheelie on my very first attempt to ride a motorcycle and when it landed with the front wheel turned, it swerved between 2 parked cars, where it stopped when I released the clutch."

"Dudes, I can't believe you got the airport to change their clocks to make me think I missed my flight. Oh...we were at club Ju Yen that long and I did miss my flight!"


For the record, the above events and many more stupid things took place between Jan, 1986 and June 1989 while I was in the Marines stationed in Hawaii. I've grown up quite a bit since and my "Dude" moments have been few and far between over the past 22 years. :)

[Scapemage]

A little off topic, but who's excited for Flashpoint? I know I am. I'm not sure when it starts, but 1 ad showed a casino with the bat symbol on it and something about that. I am supposed to recieve every issue of Flashpoint in addition to my monthly Flash comic book, but just 3 issues into my year's subscription they said hte series was ending again! So I hope I still recieve Flashpoint so that my $25 isn't wasted.

[IAmBatman]

I'm annoyed about it, personally. They're going to go all Elseworlds on the DCU for a few months, then everything will almost doubtlessly revert back to its original state and it'll all be for naught. Storytelling without consequences can be a bit dull.

[Griffin]

Comics have always been about no consequences though (except Walking Dead), so it isn't a deal breaker for me. I mean whoever dies and stays dead these days? :p

[IAmBatman]

:word: But that doesn't mean they have to rub it in our faces. At least if things are in the current "reality" they at least seem like they have consequences for a little bit.

[Wolvie]

Guess what movie I'm watching to night..
First letter is X

Loving it when movies are getting released early in Denmark

[Scapemage]

Guess what movie I'm watching to night..
First letter is X

Loving it when movies are getting released early in Denmark

:grrrr: No spoilers please.

[Margloth]

Magneto and Xavier are best friends...

...and then they drift apart.
(Sorry scapemage!)

[IAmBatman]

:lol: Magneto is Prof X's father! ... Oh, wait, that's something else ... :-P
I do have to admit, the full preview I saw for the X-Men movie during Hangover 2 does make it look darn appealing. And I only recently realized that the guy who directed Kickass directed it. And, also, it's getting a lot of love from Rotten Tomatoes thus far, so I'm sort of starting to think it might end up better than I thought it would ...

[Margloth]

I think it has a lot of potential...

whether or not it realizes that potential is another story. It will also be interesting to see if Marvel can manage the X-Men series without Wolverine (or Hugh Jackman, both of whom I'm fine with but a little tired of).

[IAmBatman]

With Hugh Jackman refusing to go darker with the character, there wasn't much room left for character development anyway.

[quozl]

Good for Hugh! I hate all the "darker" movement I've been seeing.

[IAmBatman]

Hey, if they could find another way to make his character dynamic, by all means. But they haven't thus far and that was one of the major flaws of the Wolverine movie (though there was plenty of that to spread around).

[Margloth]

I think Hugh Jacman's Wolverine was one of the best things about the first X-Men, and I think he still does the role justice... I just think he plays 'Hugh Jackman' more than 'Wolverine' at this point.

[IAmBatman]

I agree. He's always looked the part, but he's acting the part less and less.

[Lord Pyre]

I love Hugh Jackman. I realized a little while ago that he's in a couple of my favorite movies. :p He does the actiony Wolverine great, and he does emotional and psychological roles amazingly, like the Fountain and Prestige. All around great actor.

[mrcrimson]

Seems like hes trying too hard to make wolverine a cool dude and a nice guy, whereas the comic wolvie could care less if people liked him or thought he was cool. Im still bitter about how cyclops got punked in the trilogy as they became centered around wolvie and storm.

[IAmBatman]

I love Hugh Jackman. I realized a little while ago that he's in a couple of my favorite movies. :p He does the actiony Wolverine great, and he does emotional and psychological roles amazingly, like the Fountain and Prestige. All around great actor.

Big Kate and Leopold fan, huh? :-P
(j/k I love The Prestige too).

Seems like hes trying too hard to make wolverine a cool dude and a nice guy, whereas the comic wolvie could care less if people liked him or thought he was cool. Im still bitter about how cyclops got punked in the trilogy as they became centered around wolvie and storm.

I was with you until that bit at the end about Storm. Did you mean Rogue? Or Professor X? Or Magneto? Storm definitely did not get a lot of love in the trilogy either.

[Lord Pyre]

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0302/06/duncan.htm

Awesome interview, some race stuff in there for Griffin. ;)

[Margloth]

I like big Mike, and I thought he was well cast as Kingpin, but I can also see Griff's point that it's harder to 'feel' him as Kingpin due to his being of a different race. Not because of race necessarily, but just because your mind kind of goes, wait, that's not what I know.

I watched the Slammin' Salmon the other day (Broken Lizard's newest). Wasn't great, except that Mike stole the show as a big, dumb, Mike Tyson type.

[Wolvie]

Guess what movie I'm watching to night..
First letter is X

Loving it when movies are getting released early in Denmark

:grrrr: No spoilers please.

I have one spoiler only, which might seem offensive, but you'll know why it isen't when you've seen the movie and that is:
Go F*** Yourself..

And BTW i loved it.. but if you take a look at my profile pic, you'll know that I'm a sucker for them movies..

[Griffin]

:rofl:

[Scapemage]

Reminds me of Wolverine Origins, when he's in the bar and the tough guy makes him mad. He just turns around, sticks his middle claw up at the guy, and walks away.

[Karat]

So, uh, How's Mad Hatter coming along? I'd love to get him moving again ;)

[tcglkn]

So, uh, How's Mad Hatter coming along? I'd love to get him moving again ;)

He's waiting on some testing.

[Griffin]

So, uh, How's Mad Hatter coming along? I'd love to get him moving again ;)
Every change that has been tried so far has failed either thematically or mechanically. He is likely going to take a bit more time.

[davidlhsl]

Troll and Toad has some Anti-Monitors in stock, and I just received the one I ordered in the mail today! Someone left a corroded battery in it. I removed it and replaced it with fresh AAA's, and it lights like a charm. Gotta take it to work to intimidate people. "What, I'm fired? No, you're erased from existence! Bwah-ha-ha-ha! Wait, don't call security! I'll clean out my desk! Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. (sigh)"

:woot:

Yes, life is good! :)

[Good Pig]

:lol:

[Porkins]

"What, I'm fired? No, you're erased from existence! Bwah-ha-ha-ha! Wait, don't call security! I'll clean out my desk! Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. (sigh)"

Err...don't worry about getting fired...Burt will make everything better.

[Griffin]

Troll and Toad has some Anti-Monitors in stock, and I just received the one I ordered in the mail today! Someone left a corroded battery in it. I removed it and replaced it with fresh AAA's, and it lights like a charm. Gotta take it to work to intimidate people. "What, I'm fired? No, you're erased from existence! Bwah-ha-ha-ha! Wait, don't call security! I'll clean out my desk! Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. (sigh)"

:woot:

Yes, life is good! :)
:rofl:

[Good Pig]

Who else is seeing X-Men tomorrow night? :popcorn:

[Spidey'tilIDie]

Saw it tonight! IMO, the best X-Men movie so far. Kevin Bacon was actually pretty good. I didn't find Emma Frost to be... hot enough. I mean the actress was attractive but not HOT, as she is so often portrayed.

[Good Pig]

Saw it tonight! IMO, the best X-Men movie so far. Kevin Bacon was actually pretty good. I didn't find Emma Frost to be... hot enough. I mean the actress was attractive but not HOT, as she is so often portrayed.

Kevin Bacon! Now you can add X-Men to the 6 Degrees of Kevin Bacon game that Talk Soup used to do. :lol:

[Griffin]

Mmmm....... bacoooooon. :drool:

[Margloth]

Cool... I'm really looking forward to it now!

Also, bacon is always delicious... :drool: ...what now?

[Scapemage]

Today is my brithday! :woot: I went to Six Flags and had a great time!

[quozl]

Happy Birthday!

What rides did you go on?

[Scapemage]

Happy Birthday!

What rides did you go on?
Cyclone, Pandemonium, that new Gauntlet ride, and, well, I'm not sure what the other ones were. I had tons of fun in the waterpark, and some of the lines were huge in the regular park.

Hey Quozl, I'll send you a PM tomorrow about Magic trading. I got my box this morning.

[Balantai]

Happy Birthday, Scape!!!

So what does everyone think of the upcoming reboot to DC comics?

[IAmBatman]

Happy Birthday, Scape! :-) I'm sure you didn't turn as old as I did last Saturday ... :-P
To Balantai - I think it's a temporary stunt at best. I don't think it'll take honestly.

[Balantai]

I'm sure you didn't turn as old as I did last Saturday ... :-P
Happy Belated Birthday, Bats! At least you didn't turn as old as Matt.

[LordEsenwienIV]

Happy Birthday Scape!

Happy Belated Bithday Bats!


But still everyone missed my birthday a month ago. :p

[Hahma]

Happy Birthday everyone:)

Mine is on the 18th by the way. 44 years ago on Fathers Day, I was quite the gift. :D

[tcglkn]

Mine is on the 18th by the way. 44 years ago on Fathers Day, I was quite the gift. :D

What a great Birthday. ;)

[IAmBatman]

True that, Balantai!
Happy late birthday, LEIV! Now go finish that Manhunter test. :whipcrack: :-P
Happy early birthday, Hambone - cuz you know I'll forget! :-P

[Balantai]

Happy Birthday everyone:)

Mine is on the 18th by the way. 44 years ago on Fathers Day, I was quite the gift. :D
The gift that keeps on giving.

[Griffin]

Happy Birthday, Scape! :-) I'm sure you didn't turn as old as I did last Saturday ... :-P
To Balantai - I think it's a temporary stunt at best. I don't think it'll take honestly.
I disagree. I think you are dead wrong on this one. I think they are pumping all their resources into this project and it designed to reintroduce some lesser known characters in an exciting way so that they can sell more comics and also tie the whole universe in for stories that are NOT Brightest Day related and maybe more importantly, to bring those lesser known characters to the Big Screen. Imagine if the new Hawkman (which I am excited about) gets a fan following again..... that could lead to some amazing movies that span several life times and periods. Or imagine if newer fans are introduced to Deadman Boston Brand in a paranormal movie that also features the Specter.... there are a lot of possibilities with this move, though it is really gutsy.

[IAmBatman]

They may keep the numbering system for a while, but I'd be shocked if there are any major losses of continuity for any major characters in the long run. Hawkman is a character that has oft been dicked around with when it comes to his background, so I'm not considering him "major" here. Basically I'd be surprised if the Goeff Johns version of Green Lantern that's been out lately is seriously adjusted, if the continuity of Flash is seriously adjusted, or if the Batman/Superman continuities are seriously adjusted, beyond maybe eliminating a couple of incongruous spurs here and there. Hopefully this will kill Batman, Inc., which I don't like at all. :-P
Any huge changes that come about from the initial Flashpoint storyline I suspect will be temporary.

[tcglkn]

I hope Batman's DC dominance dies down some. I'm not a Batman fan at all and I really want to see more GL or Flash stuff.

[IAmBatman]

I hope Batman's DC dominance dies down some. I'm not a Batman fan at all and I really want to see more GL or Flash stuff.

GL has three titles right now and counting the Red Lantern title coming out, that's going up to four. Are you looking for more than that?
I'd love it if Wally West got some more love, though. I'm fine with Barry's return and all, but annoyed that Wally got bumped from his title to make room. The Mark Waid run on Flash with Wally West was one of my favorite all time runs in mainstream comics.
Batman is probably the most popular character in comic books (and superhero media in general), so I doubt we'll be seeing significantly less Batman any time soon. Honestly, though, I'm enjoying Dick as Batman and Damian as Robin more these days than Bruce as Batman anyhow (probably just overexposure).

[tcglkn]

I was talking about in the film industry really. Everything DC has done up to this point has been Batman or Superman centric bar the newest GL movie which I think will decide the fate of non-Batman and Superman movies in the future.

[IAmBatman]

Oh, well, absolutely. :-P We were talking about the upcoming comic reboot, though, in which they're moving like 52 titles back to #1 and otherwise "rebooting" the universe.
I agree and have been saying for a while that the future of DC movies outside of the big two (the idea of a big three is kind of a farce - no offense, Wonder Woman) depends on whether this GL movie is successful or not. I'm not sure the last time I had higher hopes and bigger fears for a movie at the same time. Two more weeks! I hope it's received at least as well as Thor!

[tcglkn]

I think Green Lantern has much more potential than Thor.

I don't really follow DC comics other than the GL books I pick up in my comic store. I've really been enjoying the War of the GLs storyline. I love how the 4 GLs (Hal, John, Kyle and Guy) are all wearing different color rings right now. (Yellow, Purple, Blue, and Red respectively)

[IAmBatman]

Yeah, I've got parts 7-9 on my bedside table that I'm going to crack open once I'm off of here. :-)

[tcglkn]

I need to make a comic book store run. I usually spend too much when I go though. :/

[IAmBatman]

Pretty soon you'll be able to get regular DC titles online for $1.99 a pop. Then you'll really be in trouble. :-P

[Balantai]

Pretty soon you'll be able to get regular DC titles online for $1.99 a pop. Then you'll really be in trouble. :-P
How so?

[Xn F M]

Pretty soon you'll be able to get regular DC titles online for $1.99 a pop. Then you'll really be in trouble. :-P
How so?

Do tell, I don't follow monthly books because they're just not worth the time investment (I prefer the longer story arcs in graphic novel format, montly books are too much like watching Dragonball Z*). I'd definately pay two bucks a pop for monthliess though, as long as they're not digital.

*
Dragonball Z is a half-hour program, which roughly equates to eight minutes commercial time, though it's probably more because it's imported. Take out four minutes for credits, six minutes for the last time/next time sequences, two minutes for the story overlaps at each commercial, and four minutes for the B or C story no one cares about, three minutes for powering up, and you're left with like, five minutes of show for your half-hour investment. I call bs on that.

[Scapemage]

I hope Batman's DC dominance dies down some. I'm not a Batman fan at all and I really want to see more GL or Flash stuff.
Right on! I like Batman, but I like Flash more.

We just had a huge Lantern event (Blackest Night/Brightest Day), and a huge Flash event is coming up (Flashpoint). Joy for everyone!

[Margloth]

So I've tried picking up more comic books lately, and while raised pretty much exclusively on Marvel, I've been trying some DC.

Question: Does anyone else find it maddeningly difficult to keep up with who is who in the DC Universe? Seriously, for someone who's trying to break in, it's really hard to know what the frak is going on!

Batman is about the only series I can readily enjoy because, for the most part, people stay the same people. I'd like to enjoy other characters like Flash, but there's like 5 of them, they're all from different worlds, they're constantly disappearing/reappearing into another realm... aggh! :frustrated:

[IAmBatman]

In the modern age, there are really only two Flashes of consequence. At least that you could reasonably confuse with each other. :-) (so silver hat wearing, Golden Age, JSA member, blue pants donning Jay Garrick Flash doesn't count).
There are two guys in the all red suits - blond haired Barry Allen, who was Flash in the silver age, "died" during the crisis, and only very recently returned in Blackest Night, and red headed Wally West, who was Barry's nephew (through marriage), who is married to Linda Park and has two little metahuman kids, who used to be Kid Flash under Barry Allen and was a Teen Titan contemporary or Nightwing and Donna Troy, who took over for Barry when Barry "died" during the Crisis, and who has pretty much been pushed into the background now that Barry has returned.

[Margloth]

I think the size of that explanatory paragraph well proves my point of the amount of confusion per DC character... ;)

[IAmBatman]

Oh, I just added those details because I wanted to help. I also could've done this.
There's Barry Allen, he's blond and came first. Then there's Wally West, he's red headed and came second.