Safety In Meeting Online Friends In Real Life?

[funrun]

Because of the recent incident about Ultradoug—myself, ninthdoc, truth, and others—hope no one has been scared away from meeting other 'scapers in the future. Just as we Americans have responded to terrorist attacks not by becoming recluses in our homes, but by being smarter about the world around us, so I hope we Heroscapers also become smarter about talking to others online and meeting them in person.

After 9 months of secrets, I would now like to tell all that the incident that ninthdoc refered to for the first time publicly today in his safety post here
The first time was on heroscapehq.com. Using only methods that were available to anyone who knew where to look online, I discovered that one of our members, who had been attending events at which children were present, was to attend a court session as a defendant in a case in which he had been accused of sexual assault of a child.
actually was brought to ninthdoc's attention because I suspected something was wrong with someone here and asked ninthdoc for help (as I recommend anyone should do.) My very first intuition of this person was that they were a sexual creep, but everyone here gets to know each other and pretty soon it feels like a big family, then months later I found out I was initially more right than I cared to know.

I will also add that Ultradoug had given me a few orange warning flags over my months of knowing him, and for this reason amongst many others, I purposely avoided giving UD my name, a photo of my face, my IM name, or any email address of mine (even the junk one). Now I find out that these little hints were once again more correct than I cared to know. (Given this alarming track record I seem to have going, I will add that no one else here has made me feel the way I did about these two.)

Now comes the interesting part I want all to note—this first incident happened 9 months ago, before I had ever met any Heroscapers in person or given any of them any personal info about me. One would think that as a young female online, one who was initially so cautious of what she thought was a stereotypical creepy internet gamer group that she didn't even have an avatar for her first month as a member (:)), would slink into a hole and not want to talk to anyone here again, much less meet anyone in person.

No, instead I felt empowered by what had happened. I was glad to know I should trust my instincts, but I also took more precautions in the future, especially considering every scaper I have met I was always going by myself to meet the group. Since this first incident snafu, I have met more scapers in real life than perhaps anyone here, and most certainly I have met more across the US than anyone else. By this I mean not just people from across the country, but I mean I literally met them in their own states. Every scaper I have met (I got lucky and barely missed meeting UD) has made sure that I had fun and felt safe in doing so. I would like to commend these groups for that by mentioning them here: Denver, Dallas, and Ohio.

My point to all of this is that I have had tons of fun in all my travels with all of the 'scapers I have met. I just encourage everyone to be more careful about their privacy. Just because you are male does not mean you are safe, and I am not just talking about sexual predators, but you never know who is wanting to steal something from you or even take your identity, whether it is your online persona or your wallet as you sit at the gaming table. I look forward to meeting many more of you in the future.

Sincerely,
funrun

(hehe, did you think after all of that I would actually give out my real name?)

[ninthdoc]

funrun, I'm glad that you can illustrate that being more cautious does not mean that we should close ourselves off completely. This is exactly what I'm driving at. Use good judgement, but enjoy life.

When you begin denying yourself your own life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, that's when the bad guys win.

[Oprime]

Thanks Fun for posting this, as this is precicely something that I was thinking about.

Although I have not posted on the other thread, I have read it completely.

After meeting some new people at our recent tournament, I was excited to branch out and meet some new people, perhaps invite them to my home, then after reading Sky's post it gave me pause to the point were I almost decided not to.

I met Pilgrim through Scapers and frappers and look what we accomplished.

I have been in contact via telephone and pm of another member since the tourny and we plan on hanging out for a casual day of scaping.

I decided you can't live in fear of what might happen...but you definatly need to be aware of what can happen.

Thanks for the post.

-Prime

[toddrew]

I haven't posted on any of the threads related to the recent incident (mostly because the majority of what's been said I agree with, and do laud how it has been handled publicly and presumably privately), but I'm glad to see this thread surface!

We need to be cautious and educated and act according to our comfort with the risk. I've met several people in the area due to this site at public places and become at least good acquaintances with all of them, and becoming good friends with a few of them (due to time and probability constraints, not my "excessive deviancy" intiution - otherwise, I'd be good friends with everyone I've met in this way...)

Anyway, just chiming in to echo funrun's piece about keeping up one's guard, but enjoy the community here.

[Velenne]

Whoa. This is all news to me. I can kind of infer what happened, but what's the story?

[toddrew]

Whoa. This is all news to me. I can kind of infer what happened, but what's the story?
Click here (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=2956&highlight=) for the related background story.

[funrun]

I would also like to add that everyone should question in your mind the probability of every little thing that any one tells you, especially someone you have only known online.

As a great example of the above, (ninthdoc isn't even aware of what I am about to say. . .) I have been talking to ninthdoc online for an entire year now, and for many months I kept open the possibility that he may not be the cop that he says he is. Not because I had any reason to doubt him, but because at that time I simply had no way of knowing for sure. Over several months I have talked to other people who have met him in person and believed him, so when it came time for me to turn to someone for help, I had to believe that ninthdoc was indeed someone safe I could trust. Even still there was a minute possibility that he could be faking his cop identity to every scaper he had ever met, but finally, at GenCon, I saw with my own eyes his old worn wallet with the badge in it (not because I asked to see it though, so why did he show it to me? hmmmmmmm. . . j/k!) So now with all things considered, I am 99.99999% sure ninthdoc is the cop he says he is. But still, the badge could have been a fake ;).

[InfinityMax]

Yeah, I hear you. I have had two gaming parties at my house, and have decided that from now on, if I decide to have another, I'll personally invite people I've already met. Meeting new people should happen in public places. You know, where they can't find your house.

But you should still meet new people!

[ninthdoc]

(not because I asked to see it though, so why did he show it to me? hmmmmmmm. . . j/k!)

I believe I can answer this question. You have shared with me things that you've produced at work, both intentionally and by accident or game ( ;) ). These are things that you are obviously very proud of. My life has changed a lot in the past 10 years, but I still remember just how proud I was of that badge when I earned it. I worked and waited for 5 years to get it. So I wanted to share w/you something that was important in my life. Plus, I figure at some point someone was going to ask me to pony up and prove who I am, so I saved you the uncomfortableness of actually saying, "Are you really a cop, or do you just say that for the internet?"

I'm actually very glad that you brought this up. Someone once said that it would be nice if other officers would reveal themselves online. The reason that I don't think this would make a difference is b/c you never really know. It is this very wariness that I'm advocating. So you go on being 99.99999% sure. I wouldn't have it any other way.

[wisinger]

Wonderful post Fun. Glad to know that the creepies don't win. and glad to hear, what it sounds like to me, that our community is closer then ever, and that gives a sense of well being to me. But I can't loose sight of the possibilities of bad people.

I like IMax, prefer to have private get togeathers, as opposed to open an open door policy to my home, as I don't want people I don't know coming anywhere near where I sleep at night, and where my wife and kids feel safe.

Thank you again for all of the effort and energy that goes into making this an open, diverse, and safe place to be, as much as it can be.

[netherspirit]

When Joah came down to stay with us the night before GenCon, I never worried about it for a second, but after talking to my mom about when she said "You are letting someone you have never met come stay with you? What if he kills you?" I made some joke and didn't think about it too much. But as the time came closer and closer I couldn't stop thinking about it. "What if he does kill us?" Ugh, what a thought.

Obviously he didn't kill us. He came down and everything was fine. We played some Scape, had a good time. There are only a few members that I would let come over, let alone stay in my house while I sleep...and now it might be even fewer members that I would let come to my house...

[markwars]

I keep trying to reply to this thread and I keep deleting my repsonses before I submit them. I am a knot of emotions right now.

All I can say for sure is that this sucks. It really really sucks. :(

[ninthdoc]

nether, I was told the exact same thing by my wife the day that I went to Killeen to pick up UD, with my own son. I began having the same thoughts, which is why I kept calling markwars and Rychean to tell them our progress on the way back. Now, don't I look like the poster child for things you shouldn't do on the internet? :brickwall:

markwars, PM coming.

[DoesntCompute]

In all honesty, I have zero desire at the moment to meet any of you in person. Is that fair? Nope. Is it irrational? Yup. Is that the opposite of what Funrun and Ninth are advocating? Yup. Do I care? Not really.

My emotional response will ease with time but I guarantee that none of you will see my home until I've gotten to know you a heck of a lot better than I do now.

[ninthdoc]

In all honesty, I have zero desire at the moment to meet any of you in person. Is that fair? Nope. Is it irrational? Yup. Is that the opposite of what Funrun and Ninth are advocating? Yup. Do I care? Not really.

My emotional response will ease with time but I guarantee that none of you will see my home until I've gotten to know you a heck of a lot better than I do now.

I'm sorry you feel this way, but I understand completely. This is exactly what I had hoped could be avoided by this situation. I fear that the sins of ultradoug will haunt us for quite some time.

[copronymous]

I like IMax, prefer to have private get togeathers, as opposed to open an open door policy to my home, as I don't want people I don't know coming anywhere near where I sleep at night, and where my wife and kids feel safe.
Very true...very true. Nothing has had a greater bearing on my life than an attempted home invasion. Now, sleep is precious. It has been months, we got a dog, AND we moved. But still, evey little noise makes me jump. It sometimes turns into a miserable existance in a way.

Hopefully this effect isn't as dramatic via the internet, but it seems good for the community in a way...raises awareness.

*Sidenote*Funrun, I always got the impression that UD had an abnormal obsession with you.

[ninthdoc]

*Sidenote*Funrun, I always got the impression that UD had an abnormal obsession with you.

copy - Go back and read his posts, this could be said of almost every user that he knew was female.

anbody - If you're paying attention to my posts, that's the first truly negative thing I've said about him that was an opinion only and not rooted in fact.

[Bannister]

*Sidenote*Funrun, I always got the impression that UD had an abnormal obsession with you.

copy - Go back and read his posts, this could be said of almost every user that he knew was female.

anbody - If you're paying attention to my posts, that's the first truly negative thing I've said about him that was an opinion only and not rooted in fact.

Now if we are honest with ourselves we will admit that more than one member of this community has gone gaga whenever female members have come around. A rather lengthy thread involving heroscape diva comes to mind.

When something like this comes to light it is easy to go back and read old threads and give them more weight than they deserve. We should just take this for what it is, a reminder to be vigilant to the dangers of online predators and to do what needs to be done to protect our loved ones.

Bannister

[Buddy Lee]

I personally am not concerned about meeting any 'Scapers in person.

For a variety of reasons. :wink:

(Yes, I know that this is not necessarily the place for levity, but if we allow the circumstances to ALWAYS dictate our actions and change our behaviors then the we lose something in the process. I for one refuse to kowtow to things beyond my control. I prefer to take control and do what is right.)

Buddy Lee

[Rodriquez]

I will try to be precise here.. on the point of meeting ppl on the net(I will not comment on the UD situation).

Offhand I've been "online" for well over 10 yrs now, at least 12-14 yrs on the net itself and on bbs/com64 boards before that as a kid.

my exp with meeting ppl? it has gone all ranges, from meeting that chic in college who stalked me and screwed my college acct over to meeting ppl like Doc, Rychaen, basically the whole TX group, including others like Funrun, justjohn, celtic, who are some of the best ppl I know.

my thoughts? am I gonna stop talking to ppl online b/c of the few who are warped/perverted? No I am not.

will I be more cautious than I already am? No, I believe Ive got enough sense to keep an eye of ppl I barely know, etc.

will I meet more ppl in the future? For sure, as the majority of the ppl Ive met have been good, decent, kind-hearted ppl.

and that's the crux...how ye met more warped/perverted(in the bad way that is) than ye have good ppl? if so I'm verra sorry, but it's not how this place really is, at least on the HS boards.

do ye yahoo? Irc? etc? than aye it's likely ye've run across the ppl lookin for booty calls, a quick lay, a hookup, or a green card... it's a given nowadays, and ye just ignore them and find the better ppl like yerself who're lookin for friends and gamers.


what does this mean? it breaks down to I'm not gonna change b/c of one person bad ideas, however it is b/c of them that alot of ppl will change and it won't be for the better, a loss of innocence is alway something to mourn


Rod

[InfinityMax]

In all honesty, I have zero desire at the moment to meet any of you in person. Is that fair? Nope. Is it irrational? Yup. Is that the opposite of what Funrun and Ninth are advocating? Yup. Do I care? Not really.

My emotional response will ease with time but I guarantee that none of you will see my home until I've gotten to know you a heck of a lot better than I do now.

Yeah? Well I didn't want to meet you either!

I'm just going to take my DSL and go home.

[all jokes. please dont get mad.]

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

I keep trying to reply to this thread and I keep deleting my repsonses before I submit them. I am a knot of emotions right now.

All I can say for sure is that this sucks. It really really sucks. :(

I know, I know. I agree. I'm just a fanatic for a board game and now I've got to start thinking of this type of stuff. We admins have been discussing where and what to do next. It's a step in the right direction what with everything that has happened, but darn, it's not fun... :(

Use good judgement, but enjoy life.

When you begin denying yourself your own life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, that's when the bad guys win.
Totally.

[Malechi]

It all comes down to awareness of your surroundings. Be observant, be vigilant and be aware, but do not be afraid.

• When meeting new people be aware of the "vibe" you receive from these strangers. Funrun was in touch with her vibes and it lead to the right conclusions, but she didn't live in paranoia she found a way to access and gather information regarding the feelings she felt. She didn't hide away in fear.

• Meet new people in public places first, never invite them to your home as a first meeting place (unless you have your own security staff). HeH did this, the NorCal gamin g group had met the first time at a game shop to play a day of HeroScape. On the next meeting he invited us all to his place for a BBQ, there was only one new player coming ... UD. Oops.

•*If you are unsure of a situation bring a friend; if that isn't possible bring a cell phone and have a contact person with scheduled times to call ... and remember to make those calls even if you feel safe!

• A lot of people here have the "It will never happen to me"-attitude which, of course, leaves you open and unprotected. Others have an "I'm not going to meet anyone and stay safe"-attitude, which is just as unhealthy in the long run simply because it leads to an onslaught of paranoia.

Get out there, have fun, and remember to be observant, be vigilant and be aware, but do not be afraid.

[Jormi_Boced]

I invite new people to my home and I feel safe in doing so. I usually invite them when I am inviting other people. I would hate to have not met all the great people I have met through gaming. My friend and I even shared a room at Gen Con with a couple of guys from Mexico that we had never met.

I may be too trusting, but I also feel pretty secure. I have a good alarm system in my house. I also have a dog and a good local police force. I am also fairly well versed in MMA. I feel that anyone that violates my trust will regret it, but I hope that all my new gamer meetings continue to lead to new good friends. :D

[B:T:L Matt]

I haven't posted anything from the other thread, but have read it all. It is quite disturbing to see something like that unfold. Glad Sky handled the situation properly and that we have good admins here to make the scapers community aware of what is possible...

Having recently played in a tournament, I've got to meet some really cool people. And I've been offered by some of these people to hang out for some scapin'. I'm honored by their invitations and can't wait to casually hang out and play a great game we all love. It all comes with instinct... I can tell you this... When my g/f and I played the tournament, by instinct and first impressions of who we thought were some of the sincere, down to earth, cool people, turned out to be the ones that invited her and I to hang out into their homes, which means our gut instincts were correct. It doesn't mean any other members at the tournament are any less good people, it just tells me my awareness is on par. If I felt those who invited me were strange in their mannerisms, I'd decline on their offers.

It's the ones that look, act, and talk off-kilter that prove to be the ones to watch out for. And just as its understandable these people are aware that they'd be letting me into their homes, I too would have to be aware that where I'm going is safe for me as well. As it stands, I feel that I can safely trust those that have invited me. so I guess after all my rambling my point is that FunRun is totally right... It's good to meet cool people, we just all need to be aware. Thanks for everyone doing a good job as a community bringing all their thoughts and points to the table, so everyone is aware of something like this.

[Aldin]

I've met online friends in real life twice. Both initial meetings were at public places and one of those meetings has turned into an enduring RL friendship where we go to a con together every year and celebrate the 4th of July together. My wife has met some online friends as well and it's worked out pretty good. The 'in public' first rule would have to be the standard-bearer, but I can certainly testify that meeting people can be worth it!

~Aldin

[geddy lifeson]

I have met four individuals from these boards scapers and HQ...three of them were guests at my house. and one was met at an alternate location while I was out of town with family. Due to circumstances, we were unable to play but decided to meet and chat anyhow.

Out of all the encounters, the only one that struck me as odd was with UD. We all know UD is strange and I expected him to be exactly how he was. I had no idea that what uncovered recently would be something that now disturbs me about inviting someone to my home and more importantly to my family.

I am not afraid to invite others to game and if given the chance will do so again. his recent event will not stop me but will make me stay vigilant and remain cautious.

The important thing to take out of this is that there are dangers and one must be careful. One must also realize that for the few bad apples out there, there are many more great people that truely outnumber them...those are the people I consider my friends and will gladly welcome.

[Bannister]

In light of our most recent events and in line with this topic, I wonder if anyone here has good alternatives / suggestions for ways or places to meet with fellow gamers in a public location outside of our homes? Atleast until a personal face-to-face relationship has been establised.

I was recently in the local Ihop (yeah, so? I like the chocolate chip pancakes.), when I saw a group of guys in the back playing magic the gathering. They did this once a week. Now one of the guys knew the Ass. Manager and MtG is a little less room intensive than HS but it got me thinking. Maybe there are certain major chains out their who, during slower times, would be happy to have some gamers visit them from time to time.

Anyone else have any other ideas on locations?

Bannister

PS Yeah I know it put in the stars, but I thought it was funny so I left it.

[Grungebob]

In light of our most recent events and in line with this topic, I wonder if anyone here has good alternatives / suggestions for ways or places to meet with fellow gamers in a public location outside of our homes? Atleast until a personal face-to-face relationship has been establised.

I was recently in the local Ihop (yeah, so? I like the chocolate chip pancakes.), when I saw a group of guys in the back playing magic the gathering. They did this once a week. Now one of the guys knew the ***. Manager and MtG is a little less room intensive than HS but it got me thinking. Maybe there are certain major chains out their who, during slower times, would be happy to have some gamers visit them from time to time.

Anyone else have any other ideas on locations?

Bannister

PS Yeah I know it put in the stars, but I thought it was funny so I left it.The big book store chaines like Barnes and Noble allow this sort of thing.

[Bannister]

In light of our most recent events and in line with this topic, I wonder if anyone here has good alternatives / suggestions for ways or places to meet with fellow gamers in a public location outside of our homes? Atleast until a personal face-to-face relationship has been establised.

I was recently in the local Ihop (yeah, so? I like the chocolate chip pancakes.), when I saw a group of guys in the back playing magic the gathering. They did this once a week. Now one of the guys knew the ***. Manager and MtG is a little less room intensive than HS but it got me thinking. Maybe there are certain major chains out their who, during slower times, would be happy to have some gamers visit them from time to time.

Anyone else have any other ideas on locations?

Bannister

PS Yeah I know it put in the stars, but I thought it was funny so I left it.The big book store chaines like Barnes and Noble allow this sort of thing.

Cool, thanks there is a Books a Million near me, I will have to check that out.

How about Libraries and Churches? We have held large events in a local church that has a gymnasium. They rent it out for $35 an hour. Both of these have tables and such so...? The church would work for a large gathering but no so much for a first time meeting between 3 of 4 gamers.

Bannister

[toddrew]

May be stating the obvious here, but the denver area members have met at different gaming shops, and of course were welcome there ;)

[Bannister]

Yeah, gaming shops are certainly one place if you have the connections.

However, in my immediate area there was one. The guy barely even looked up from behind his screen to say they weren't really interested.

There are a couple of other Warhammer type places but they are not convenient for me anyway.

So...yeah smok'em if you gott'em I say.

Bannister

[toddrew]

Yeah, gaming shops are certainly one place if you have the connections.

However, in my immediate area there was one. The guy barely even looked up from behind his screen to say they weren't really interested.


Kinda the "Simpson's Comic Shop Owner" type, eh? I often (well, not that often) wonder what the heck these people are doing running businesses for the public - to spread their disdain for life? :lol:

[skyknight]

I guess I kinda should pipe up here and this is going to sound kind of odd to you guys but here goes. First i would say that even when I use to chat with UD back on HQ I would have never invited him to my home by himself. No way no how, maybe in a tournament setting it would be different.

As far as not inviting people to my home now? No way. There are many here I actually would invite to my home to hang out. There are just to many good people here to ignore. I think after almost a year of chatting to some of you guys online I have a pretty good feel for who you are.

Many of you I know have families, many hold alot of the same morals I do. When I was in Cali for our get together I would say that not meeting the Socal crew would have been a huge loss for me. They are a class act all around and my door is open to anyone of them. As for the rest of you, there are quite a few of you I know more about than I do most people right here in my home town. Heck I even knew all about UD and while I did not see the danger fully either, he would not have been coming over for pot roast dinner by himself. It only goes to show alot of times your opinions you form of people are pretty well right. I think the gut factor is a huge piece of advice to follow.

[lonewolf]

In light of our most recent events and in line with this topic, I wonder if anyone here has good alternatives / suggestions for ways or places to meet with fellow gamers in a public location outside of our homes? Atleast until a personal face-to-face relationship has been establised.

I was recently in the local Ihop (yeah, so? I like the chocolate chip pancakes.), when I saw a group of guys in the back playing magic the gathering. They did this once a week. Now one of the guys knew the ***. Manager and MtG is a little less room intensive than HS but it got me thinking. Maybe there are certain major chains out their who, during slower times, would be happy to have some gamers visit them from time to time.

Anyone else have any other ideas on locations?

Bannister

PS Yeah I know it put in the stars, but I thought it was funny so I left it.The big book store chaines like Barnes and Noble allow this sort of thing.

One of the best place I know of is your local library. Libraries almost always have meeting rooms that you can rent out. This is a very public option for open gaming. Typically they are a little cleaner than some of the game shops I have played in as well! I am hosting an event at a library here in PHX. The room holds 40 people and costs $5/hr. The event is going to be 5 hours, so that is only $25. I am picking up the tab on the room, but I am sure if you have enough people to chip in, it is a very inexpensive, safe, clean, public place to play. The only downside I have come across so far is that you can't bring food in the room.

--Lonewolf

[ninthdoc]

In light of our most recent events and in line with this topic, I wonder if anyone here has good alternatives / suggestions for ways or places to meet with fellow gamers in a public location outside of our homes? Atleast until a personal face-to-face relationship has been establised.

I was recently in the local Ihop (yeah, so? I like the chocolate chip pancakes.), when I saw a group of guys in the back playing magic the gathering. They did this once a week. Now one of the guys knew the ***. Manager and MtG is a little less room intensive than HS but it got me thinking. Maybe there are certain major chains out their who, during slower times, would be happy to have some gamers visit them from time to time.

Anyone else have any other ideas on locations?

Bannister

PS Yeah I know it put in the stars, but I thought it was funny so I left it.The big book store chaines like Barnes and Noble allow this sort of thing.

One of the best place I know of is your local library. Libraries almost always have meeting rooms that you can rent out. This is a very public option for open gaming. Typically they are a little cleaner than some of the game shops I have played in as well! I am hosting an event at a library here in PHX. The room holds 40 people and costs $5/hr. The event is going to be 5 hours, so that is only $25. I am picking up the tab on the room, but I am sure if you have enough people to chip in, it is a very inexpensive, safe, clean, public place to play. The only downside I have come across so far is that you can't bring food in the room.

--Lonewolf

Denny's (late night) had a backgammon group that met. You might try some pubs, cafes, etc. If you're in Indy, there's always The Ram. :D

[netherspirit]

When I started out playing M:tG (before I could drive) we played at the public library all the time. Then a local card shop opened up and we played there.

Then when when I got a car, we drove to a better cardshop that had better tournaments. After the tournaments we used to play at Denny's and another place The Patio or something liek that, after the Card Shop closed, and none of us knew the managers.

There are all kinds of alternatives.

[Agent Minivann]

One of the best place I know of is your local library. Libraries almost always have meeting rooms that you can rent out. This is a very public option for open gaming. Typically they are a little cleaner than some of the game shops I have played in as well! I am hosting an event at a library here in PHX. The room holds 40 people and costs $5/hr. The event is going to be 5 hours, so that is only $25. I am picking up the tab on the room, but I am sure if you have enough people to chip in, it is a very inexpensive, safe, clean, public place to play. The only downside I have come across so far is that you can't bring food in the room.

--Lonewolf

My local library has wifi internet. I might have to look into this.

[LilNewbie]

We used to shuffle over to a 24-hour Whataburger when the local store closed and continued playing games (mostly CCGs...On the Edge, MtG and L5R mainly). We would have 15 to 20 there and the older guys in the group made sure the more unruly behaved themselves. Almost everyone purchased something from the counter and when it hit midnight we left. The store and the Whataburger were a good place to get to meet people and to see them in different environments. About 80% of the people there would have been fine to invite over to the house for games.

Newb.

[CornPuff]

Use good judgement, but enjoy life.

When you begin denying yourself your own life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, that's when the bad guys win.


I think that bears repeating. also this one:

first meeting should always be in a public place

There are a select few of you that I haven't me that I would feel commfortable inviting to my home. Its that whole gut instinct thing. I can't really explain it, because gut instincts are inherintly qualitative and not quantitative.

The vast majority of you I wouldn't. Mainly because I wouldn't want to see my DVD collection and laptop walk out the door while I was in the bathroom.

I've though about picking up a martial art. I figure I could be a lot more comfortable with strangers if I know that they are unlikely to physically dominate me.

I recognize that there are highly sophisticated well prepared predators out there, and if they choose to come into my home, well, they win. The vast vast majority of predators are lesser prepared opportunistic ones. If you are aware and take precautions, these opportunistic types will look elsewhere or be defeated.

So, just be smart and aware to mitigate your risks. With a community like this, the good far outweighs the bad; the reward far outweighs the risk. I hope to meet many more you at future gatherings, becausee this community is a blast!

[toddrew]

The vast majority of you I wouldn't. Mainly because I wouldn't want to see my DVD collection and laptop walk out the door while I was in the bathroom.


What exactly are you saying about site members here, CornPuff :?: :lol:

[LilNewbie]

The vast majority of you I wouldn't. Mainly because I wouldn't want to see my DVD collection and laptop walk out the door while I was in the bathroom.


What exactly are you saying about site members here, CornPuff :?: :lol:

I.E. Put down his DVD collection, toddrew!! ;)

Newb.

[primal]

I would have to say that I am shocked beyond belief.
I used to talk to Doug a lot.
Doug even professed to be a Christian, as I am.
I am afraid that I can't speak for anyone, except myself- I try to trust people, try to find good in people and try to treat people as Jesus Christ would do.
I also would like to say that I NEVER manipulate any situation to compromise myself, my family or any of my friends. I invite people to play Heroscape, but I would NEVER put anyone in a position that they, myself or anyone else would feel uncomfortable in.
just because I trust people and try to love my neighbor as myself I am not stupid.

I would have to say without reservation that I am really shocked with UD's situation. I don't know where anyone could find rationality in what he was trying to do.

please, don't let one problematic situation spoil our great community, there are some good people out here.

[toddrew]

The vast majority of you I wouldn't. Mainly because I wouldn't want to see my DVD collection and laptop walk out the door while I was in the bathroom.


What exactly are you saying about site members here, CornPuff :?: :lol:

I.E. Put down his DVD collection, toddrew!! ;)

Newb.

But I love the Golden Girls, and he has all the seasons :!:

[ninthdoc]

The vast majority of you I wouldn't. Mainly because I wouldn't want to see my DVD collection and laptop walk out the door while I was in the bathroom.


What exactly are you saying about site members here, CornPuff :?: :lol:

I.E. Put down his DVD collection, toddrew!! ;)

Newb.

But I love the Golden Girls, and he has all the seasons :!:

It's his complete collection of Will and Grace that he'll fight you for. :lol:

[Agent Minivann]

Hey Cornpuff, can I come hang at your place when I'm in town? BTW what DVD's can we watch when I'm there?

[Malechi]

Cornpuff,

I'll be flying in. What's in your DVD collection? Now let's see, how many extra suitcases will I need for the return trip ...

(The worst thing is my collection is so out of hand, I probably have any DVD's he could possibly name, except for Cornpuff's "Best of LoGo" collection ...)

:wink:

[Buddy Lee]

How about Libraries and Churches? We have held large events in a local church that has a gymnasium. They rent it out for $35 an hour. Both of these have tables and such so...? The church would work for a large gathering but no so much for a first time meeting between 3 of 4 gamers.

Bannister

I just want it on record that Bannister will go to church if properly motivated.

Buddy Lee

[countblah]

How about Libraries and Churches? We have held large events in a local church that has a gymnasium. They rent it out for $35 an hour. Both of these have tables and such so...? The church would work for a large gathering but no so much for a first time meeting between 3 of 4 gamers.

Bannister

I just want it on record that Bannister will go to church if properly motivated.

Buddy Lee

Holy smokes, you're right! Someone call the authorities!

[Detrimentalman]

When I was in Cali for our get together I would say that not meeting the Socal crew would have been a huge loss for me. They are a class act all around and my door is open to anyone of them.

Ditto man!

I haven't really been on the boards, so I just stumbled across this. I have to say *does a little dance* I never did like UD. I've been meeting people from over the internet since I was about 14. I have always just made sure that the first time is in a public and safe place or brought an adult with me. So far with heroscape I haven't really been following those rules, but I have had the benefit of having other members I know vouch for new people so I feel comfortable with it.

I don't think there is a problem meeting people over the internet at all. You just have to be smart and take precautions, especially if you have kids. Any wierd vibes or odd comments you get online though should definately make you take those safety measures a step further.

[Mr. Underhill]

But I love the Golden Girls, and he has all the seasons :!:

And you guys wonder why you don't get an invitation to my place!!!! Freaks. :lol:

J

[Hahma]

I had the opportunity to meet one of the members here and it was a good experience. When we were initially going to play some HS at my house upon our fist meeting, some family members of mine thought I was nuts to trust someone in my house with never meeting them before. We ended up meeting somewhere else and hanging out for lunch for scheduling reasons and it was cool.

I guess I had gotten a good vibe about this person while on the net and wasn't really concerned about them coming to my house. After these events lately, I don't know that I would do anything different other than use common sense and my instincts.

Being a painter, I've worked in some scary places in Chicago, Gary and others. I'm used to being aware of my surroundings. Now that I've got my own business, I routinely get calls from people that I've never met before to go to their house and give them estimates. What's to say that someone isn't going to set me up and either roll me or kill me when I give estimates?

Also, once I get jobs, I'm routinely left to work in people's homes alone while they step out for errands or even an entire day at work. Now that's trust on their part.

Common sense, awareness of surroundings and instincts are key to security in any situation. Some people only look just past the hood of their car when driving and don't look further ahead, to their sides or rear (using mirrors of course) to be fully aware of their surroundings. Whereas I want to know what's going on all around me and where I can bail if a situation arrises. Same goes for general personal security and safety. Be aware.

[DarkSpade]

First and second times I met anyone from the site(garyLASQ and J-n_P) it was in a game store. Also, since both were bringing their kids, I figured they couldn't be that bad. :)

Third time I met some scapers, it was in someone's home. I felt okay about it because I was traveling with GaryLASQ, but I will admit I was a little nervous still since We were going to NWOjedi's house. :P Really though, once you've met him in person, you quickly realise he's a really cool guy.

[Lancewholelot]

I've met and gamed with several people through this site. Caution is wise but we're not all ultra creeps. May the good times continue.

[Jonathan]

Yeah, thankfully everything's worked out really nicely in that regard here in Houston. I like to give out little snippets of info at a time until I get a good sense about a person before I invite them over. And usually, it's only been one new person at a time at our gatherings so at least we have the numbers on 'em if they wig out :)

[Bannister]

Blah..Blah..Blah..

Blah..Blah..Blah..

:D

Bannister

[Doc_Savage]

Wow, did I miss a whole lot. I tend to stick with the rules and customs sections and have been busy at work, but I missed all this for weeks....

I just read the 2 UD threads and I am feeling for Sky and his family. I'm glad that the real badness was shut down before it could start.

I have tried to walk the line between open and wary of posting personal stuff on the net. I will probably now tread a step closer to the wary.

[countblah]

Blah..Blah..Blah..

Blah..Blah..Blah..

:D

Bannister

That's all you hear when I talk, ain't it, Bannister?

[bunjee]

Wow, did I miss a whole lot. I tend to stick with the rules and customs sections and have been busy at work, but I missed all this for weeks....

I just read the 2 UD threads and I am feeling for Sky and his family. I'm glad that the real badness was shut down before it could start.

I have tried to walk the line between open and wary of posting personal stuff on the net. I will probably now tread a step closer to the wary.Always a safe bet, but make sure you keep that rules lawyer of yours well informed about both the positive and the not so positive adventures on the internet. I wouldn't want people to think we're all nutcases.

[gibberish_47]

...Just some of us are crazy...





:D

[deadeyedan42]

Love the speech funrun! it's only a matter of time befor your so called "friend" make you drink from a cursed well spring! :lol: [not from past expeience]

[chief]

wow

[Menchy]

okay so weve all heard by anow all about knowing people well before spending time with them in private or whatever. But how do we go about doing this? How can we get to know people better before we meet them without meeting them? I'm 13 and have considered getting together with some other scapers here from NJ but i just dont really know how to go about it. Anyone got advice?

[Draconious]

There are usually clues, but the ones who are really dangerous usualy sound like they are harmless... clues can be as simple as always asking if they want to meet you... I have one guy that I have no idea who he is, that messages me, asked me strange questions about the hobby/forum he found my message ID on, and tells these strange lies about the company is gona disapear, because they ran out of plastic to make parts LOL... strange stuff, then just out of the blue asks if I want to meet him at the Gym or something... uh 1. I do not know him, its like the first time he messaged me, and 2. he is like in PA, when I am in Michigan, even if I did know him I wouldnt meet him LOL. Because this other site is a toy like site like this one, this guy obviously thinks that I am some type of kid... I am not, I should try to meet him and video tape him like that TV show did with all the pedophiles... Another clue is, If they always ask for photos of you... or if they seem too understanding about things... also if they say they have a cool car, and u can ride in it or something... lol... if it feels wrong, it likely is. I have seen very strange people in some chat rooms in the past, chat rooms that were removed because of the strange people...

I have a soft spot for this stuff... I know a few ppl with similar situations... they wer ethe victims, it REALLY TICKS ME OFF when I hear crap like this... I want to beat some common sence into these freaks.

[funrun]

okay so weve all heard by anow all about knowing people well before spending time with them in private or whatever. But how do we go about doing this? How can we get to know people better before we meet them without meeting them? I'm 13 and have considered getting together with some other scapers here from NJ but i just dont really know how to go about it. Anyone got advice?The best way to meet people is in a public place where you are going with a group of friends to meet someone else's group of friends where other neutral people are around you. In your case it is best to have your parents take you and a few of your friends to a HS event that isn't at someone's house, like a game or comic book store. Whatever you do and wherever you go you always need to let your parents know and get their permission first. Give them names and phone numbers so if something ever did happen to you they will know where and who you were supposed to be with. Even if the person gives you a fake name and number the police may be able to connect it to something else that person does.

Draconious also said some common sense things. I would also suggest you try to check out things people say to see if they are actually true. You can search people's profiles, follow links to other sites, and google their username. These things can give you a sense of whether or not they are lying about age, hometown, friends, family, jobs, interests, etc.

[bunjee]

okay so weve all heard by anow all about knowing people well before spending time with them in private or whatever. But how do we go about doing this? How can we get to know people better before we meet them without meeting them? I'm 13 and have considered getting together with some other scapers here from NJ but i just dont really know how to go about it. Anyone got advice?Everything that Draconious and Funrun said. Additionally, when you do go to a public event, and your parents come with you, your parents have every right to ask for contact information from the people at the event. For our tournament, I had a sign in sheet that asked if people were under 18 and if they were asked them to provide their parents name and phone number. All members had to provide their online name, real name and email/phone number for contact purposes. I also let the parents know that if they wanted the information from the sign in sheet, I would be able to provide it.

Public places are not places like a gym (how creepy is that?) but open areas like bookstores, gaming stores, and other places where people who aren't part of the meet up will be visible.

[Double Oak]

Well I finally got around to reading this and found it quite ironic as I know several of the folks noted. When I first got into HS, Ninthdoc was the first person to greet me since he saw where I lived and noted he was not far away. Met him and UD for the first time at a gamestore for a tourney. Liked Ninth, was real leary (sp?) of UD, a feeling that only grew the more I read UD's posts.

As I got going into the game I debated inviting Ninth over for a game since we lived fairly close (thought a whole lot about my family) and so before inviting him over, I asked him about himself, found out he was a police officer in the city my Dad lives in (and Ninth doesn't even know this) and called a former member of my Dad's church who is also an officer in that dept, to check Ninth out before I invited him to my house.

Sooooooooo, lest any of you have any doubts that Ninth is as good of a guy as he says he is, let there be no doubt that he is a cop and well thought of by one of the senior officers in the force! Side note Ninth - Sponauer is who vouched for ya!

I have now been to enough tourneys and that if I know them now or Ninth vouches for them they are welcome in my house. That trust however took time AND some background checking.

Now was I wise to go to Rod's house with my 7 yr old son for a tourney? Who knows. Ninth vouched for him and my son was rolling dice real well that day (much to Ninth and Rod's dismay), so it worked out ok.

Be careful and if ya can get others to vouch for someone and then still be careful!

[1moreheroscaper]

Wow, I really missed information about Ultradoug when it was first posted. He actually attended one of the Norcal gamedays this past summer. I thought he was a tad too much on having to be "funny-funny, hey I'm funny" and having the video camera, but I had no idea of such creepy behavior.
I wonderd what happened to him, he gave me a Mage Knight figure to customized and we pm'd a couple of time about the stats and then he disappeared. Well, I say it's all for the better. Boardgames in general should be a safe and fun activity (even though the good games are usually very competitive), one that brings people together as a community rather than an experience that causes distrust.

[jesse10581]

I'm getting a little paranoid now. :shock: I have been checking out this site, but only recently signed up for an acct. because I noticed that ppl from my area (NJ) were just starting to seek each other out to form tourney's, or what have you. Then, I found this thread...

I hope I haven't come across as one of these types cause I just signed up, and am already asking if certain ppl want to meet for gaming :oops: . I guess the best way to handle things is really just to meet in a public place with multiple ppl, just like everyone's been saying.

Of course, after reading funrun's and skynight's posts I just had to go back and search for Ultradoug's posts to see just what it was about this guy that creeped ppl out. After reading some, I guess you can get a few warning signs in most cases. (Guy seemed like a pervert to me).

[gamjuven]

He is right to caution you, I feed on little children - tree in family guy

[Nwojedi]

hey, just because he's a pervert, doesn't make him a bad guy. There are many of us (other people than me) that are, but still a lot of fun to hang out with. The moral of this thread is, not to avoid meeting people. Just don't go into it, blind. And probably not a good idea to wear hot pants on the first time meeting. Save that for games 5 or 6.

[Chuckrock]

Wow is right

[ninthdoc]

hey, just because he's a pervert, doesn't make him a bad guy. There are many of us (other people than me) that are, but still a lot of fun to hang out with. The moral of this thread is, not to avoid meeting people. Just don't go into it, blind. And probably not a good idea to wear hot pants on the first time meeting. Save that for games 5 or 6.

There are levels of perversion. I don't mind hanging out w/someone that appreciates adults and even can take them discussing potentially private desires of what they might want to do with them, but your statement makes it sound like UD was okay despite committing criminal acts against children; and I'm 100% not okay with that.

[Dr. Weirdscaper]

In light of our most recent events and in line with this topic, I wonder if anyone here has good alternatives / suggestions for ways or places to meet with fellow gamers in a public location outside of our homes? Atleast until a personal face-to-face relationship has been establised.

I was recently in the local Ihop (yeah, so? I like the chocolate chip pancakes.), when I saw a group of guys in the back playing magic the gathering. They did this once a week. Now one of the guys knew the ***. Manager and MtG is a little less room intensive than HS but it got me thinking. Maybe there are certain major chains out their who, during slower times, would be happy to have some gamers visit them from time to time.

Anyone else have any other ideas on locations?

Bannister

PS Yeah I know it put in the stars, but I thought it was funny so I left it.
GENTLEMEN...

I have not tried this yet, but there are "Eatertainment" places like
Gatti-town, or Gatti-land (sorta like a super Mr. Gatties with games
and stuff) they have these party rooms with lots of table space.
If you ask nicely, you could probably get to use the room for free
(as long as it's not the weekend). Then there is the added bonus of
all you can eat / drink all day. That seems like a good way to meet.

[toddrew]

Then there is the added bonus of
all you can eat / drink all day. That seems like a good way to meet.

HeroScaping all day with an all-you-can-consume buffet? Sounds like a recipe for bankruptcy to me :lol: If I am ever down under, count me in ;)

[Jexik]

I met spider_poison and Clarissimus in person and...





They were really nice!

We played some Heroscape the night before the TTO. I beat s_p on a map that was awful for his army when I was killing Deathreavers with 1-skull rolls.

He got his revenge in that jedi dueling game. His Darth Maul mauled my Mace Windu.

[Jormi_Boced]

I met spider_poison and Clarissimus in person and...





They were really nice!

We played some Heroscape the night before the TTO. I beat s_p on a map that was awful for his army when I was killing Deathreavers with 1-skull rolls.

He got his revenge in that jedi dueling game. His Darth Maul mauled my Mace Windu.

He broke out the Epic Duels on you, huh?

[MinhBinh]

There have been people responding to this post with comments such as, "I don't think that I'll be able to trust people in our online community as much as I did before. I think that I will have to get to know this community much better than I do, before I give anyone any sort of personal information about me."

Do you know what I think when I read comments like that? Two things:

1) It is perfectly natural to react this way. I don't have children. However, if I did, I would be especially concerned with the people that I befriend and possibly introduce to my own family. Even without children, I think that exercising more caution is a prudent choice. I know that a lot of the old 'Scapers here have known each other for years and have met multiple times at Gencon and assorted tourneys, but you can't know everybody personally on this site.

2) It doesn't surprise me that something like this almost happened. Is it because we as a community are more naive than others? No, no, and no!!! The Heroscape community is one of the friendliest and inviting online groups that I have ever had the pleasure of being a member of. I know that occasionally, tempers flare up between people, but I firmly believe that 99% of this group consists of high character-type people. This happened not because we are naive. It happened because it is bound to happen anywhere. The fact that only one person (and hopefully only the one) has been able to penetrate the net that this family holds together is astonishing to me. If I had younger children, I would not think twice about allowing them to become a part of Heroscapers.com. I feel that the vast majority of people here would treat them well and lead them towards greater Heroscape enjoyment.

Almost every single new member to these forums gets greeted in a very timely manner. This is not because Admins are bound by duty to make us feel welcome. I like to believe that it is because it truly makes the regulars feel good to see our little (not so little, really) community grow daily.

So what can we do to help bring this community together in a safe atmosphere? I, for one, can't wait until Gencon. I relish the opportunity to welcome the greater Heroscape community to my hometown with open arms. I have not met any of you, but I am excited to. I'm sure that I will find folks like Spider_Poison and Rychean to ask tourney questions to for as long as they can stand. I'll spend hours sitting at a table with Gamjuven and Jexik over beers discussing order markers and Deathreavers vs. Raelin. I'm sure at some point, RevDyer will sit down with me, and he'll prove to me that there are people in this world who you would do well to listen to all of the time.

Basically, I want to be able to meet you all in safe environments and get to know you as more than your avatars. You'll understand if I don't give my phone number out anytime soon, though.

Crap, I gave Oncara my home address! Oh well, he's sending me an RotV!!! (Those Castle sets are on the way man. I'm so stoked about this trade. Um... I didn't think to send a thank you card with the package, though.)

See you all at Gencon! And for all of you Indy area folks, I'll see you at the next Indy event.

[MinhBinh]

Wow, I didn't even realize that this thread was half a year old. Apologies.

[MinhBinh]

In light of our most recent events and in line with this topic, I wonder if anyone here has good alternatives / suggestions for ways or places to meet with fellow gamers in a public location outside of our homes? Atleast until a personal face-to-face relationship has been establised.

I was recently in the local Ihop (yeah, so? I like the chocolate chip pancakes.), when I saw a group of guys in the back playing magic the gathering. They did this once a week. Now one of the guys knew the ***. Manager and MtG is a little less room intensive than HS but it got me thinking. Maybe there are certain major chains out their who, during slower times, would be happy to have some gamers visit them from time to time.

Anyone else have any other ideas on locations?

Bannister

PS Yeah I know it put in the stars, but I thought it was funny so I left it.The big book store chaines like Barnes and Noble allow this sort of thing.

One of the best place I know of is your local library. Libraries almost always have meeting rooms that you can rent out. This is a very public option for open gaming. Typically they are a little cleaner than some of the game shops I have played in as well! I am hosting an event at a library here in PHX. The room holds 40 people and costs $5/hr. The event is going to be 5 hours, so that is only $25. I am picking up the tab on the room, but I am sure if you have enough people to chip in, it is a very inexpensive, safe, clean, public place to play. The only downside I have come across so far is that you can't bring food in the room.

--Lonewolf

Denny's (late night) had a backgammon group that met. You might try some pubs, cafes, etc. If you're in Indy, there's always The Ram. :D

Speaking of which... both NinthDoc and RevDyer have mentioned the Ram (downtown Indy) on here. Is there some sort of inside information about gamenights at the Ram that I don't know about? Or are you just referring to going there to get drunk? In which case, I understand.

[ninthdoc]

In light of our most recent events and in line with this topic, I wonder if anyone here has good alternatives / suggestions for ways or places to meet with fellow gamers in a public location outside of our homes? Atleast until a personal face-to-face relationship has been establised.

I was recently in the local Ihop (yeah, so? I like the chocolate chip pancakes.), when I saw a group of guys in the back playing magic the gathering. They did this once a week. Now one of the guys knew the ***. Manager and MtG is a little less room intensive than HS but it got me thinking. Maybe there are certain major chains out their who, during slower times, would be happy to have some gamers visit them from time to time.

Anyone else have any other ideas on locations?

Bannister

PS Yeah I know it put in the stars, but I thought it was funny so I left it.The big book store chaines like Barnes and Noble allow this sort of thing.

One of the best place I know of is your local library. Libraries almost always have meeting rooms that you can rent out. This is a very public option for open gaming. Typically they are a little cleaner than some of the game shops I have played in as well! I am hosting an event at a library here in PHX. The room holds 40 people and costs $5/hr. The event is going to be 5 hours, so that is only $25. I am picking up the tab on the room, but I am sure if you have enough people to chip in, it is a very inexpensive, safe, clean, public place to play. The only downside I have come across so far is that you can't bring food in the room.

--Lonewolf

Denny's (late night) had a backgammon group that met. You might try some pubs, cafes, etc. If you're in Indy, there's always The Ram. :D

Speaking of which... both NinthDoc and RevDyer have mentioned the Ram (downtown Indy) on here. Is there some sort of inside information about gamenights at the Ram that I don't know about? Or are you just referring to going there to get drunk? In which case, I understand.

Rev lives in Arkansas. I live in Texas. We were referring to when we are in your neck of the woods for GenCon.

[scottishlad5]

I agree completely I hesitated going to a tournament due to this.

[omen20154]

Its sad the we can't trust people more. I agree that when you meet people online you should be carefull. I have meet a couple of people online. Ironically I haven't met any scapers yet. I have never had a bad experience. In fact the people that I have met in the past were really frendly and good things came of the meetings. Saying that. IF I DON"T KNOW YOU AND I MEET YOU AT YOUR HOUSE I EXCERISE MY RIGHT TO CARRY MY GUN!!!! Its not that I plan on using it or anything its just that with the wierdo's out there your better safe than sorry. I think that we should meet people online that share the same intrest as ourslevs, just be carefull. And if you have kids.... don't let people over you don't know!!! Anyone can talk a good game for the first couple of meetings.

[Heroscape Elffy]

I was anxious to meet some people from 'Scapers, and was quite pleased that none of them were weirdos when I met them...well, if you don't count the fact that they are most 25 and older and play Heroscape, which is looked down upon in most towns. Supergeek, Jexik, Jormi, Codeman, HeroscapeDiva, were all really nice. They were the ones that stuck out, and were really nice. I'm glad that people in my area, that I've met, aren't complete and utter freaks. Supergeek, sometimes, but thats just him. :wink:

[S1R_ART0R1US]

I was anxious to meet some people from 'Scapers, and was quite pleased that none of them were weirdos when I met them...well, if you don't count the fact that they are most 25 and older and play Heroscape, which is looked down upon in most towns. Supergeek, Jexik, Jormi, Codeman, HeroscapeDiva, were all really nice. They were the ones that stuck out, and were really nice. I'm glad that people in my area, that I've met, aren't complete and utter freaks. Supergeek, sometimes, but thats just him. :wink:

Same thing with me in January. My dad kind of raised his eyebrows when we got there, but it ended up all right and I had a great time.

[ra914]

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[bbearz]

I was anxious to meet some people from 'Scapers, and was quite pleased that none of them were weirdos when I met them

You haven't met this weirdo, yet. :shock::lol:



I agree with the original post of this thread, but also to the contributions that others have made. Safety is a huge concern, but it is also is one that we don't need to over-react upon. Clearly the argument is different for females, but that is more to do with the small percentage of history of sexual misconduct that has sadly infiltrated the growing popularity of online communities. The risk is low, to a degree, when used with caution, but predators will always be out there lurking.


I am a "weirdo" in the sense that I have a tendency to put myself out there on occasion. I enjoy the thrill of stepping outside my comfort zone, and one of these ways is by meeting new people on a daily basis. So in a unique way, I find pleasure in making acquaintances with complete strangers.


All that aside, I look forward to meeting some of you guys, and rest assure that you will have always have a fun, safe time around me.