How's this army?

[monkeyfish]

Okay here is an army I've been using alot lately and won a few games recently. Please comment.
Kozuke=100 pts
Syvarris=100 pts
Crixus=90 pts
Minions=110 pts
total= 400 pts

[Jormi_Boced]

Not enogh synergy.

[monkeyfish]

What do you mean?

[Jormi_Boced]

None of the units directly support any of the others.

[monkeyfish]

so?

[Cavalier]

so?Don't let reaper hear you say that or we will subjected to one of his tirades on the subject.

Many HSers feel that unless units boost one another in some way you are not building your army properly. Some have VERY strong opinions on the subject...oops, didn't mean to say opinion as certain people swear it is irrefutable fact :roll:

[monkeyfish]

Okay when building my armies I like to include my favorites, synergy or not.

[Jormi_Boced]

Okay when building my armies I like to include my favorites, synergy or not.

Okay, you posted in the competitive armies thread and asked. So I told you. You are also lacking on range and squads.

[UranusPChicago]

Okay when building my armies I like to include my favorites, synergy or not.

Then why do you ask for opinions about your armies? I am not giving you a hard time, but if you like building your armies with your favorite figures then what does it matter if your army is good or not.

Cavalier, I don't know if I agree with you. A properly built army is however the general decides on building it, it does not necessarily need bonding or synergy.

However, tournaments played so far have statistically shown us that winning armies are primarily built around bonding or synergy of some sort. :wink:

[Cavalier]

Okay when building my armies I like to include my favorites, synergy or not.

Then why do you ask for opinions about your armies? I am not giving you a hard time, but if you like building your armies with your favorite figures then what does it matter if your army is good or not.

Cavalier, I don't know if I agree with you. A properly built army is however the general decides on building it, it does not necessarily need bonding or synergy.

However, tournaments played so far have statistically shown us that winning armies are primarily built around bonding or synergy of some sort. :wink:I don't dispute the wisdom of using armies with synergy. I was honestly just venting about how some posters think that their answer is the only right answer. The tirades that get thrown if someone disagrees are, to steal UD's word, epic. 8)

[Jormi_Boced]

I just think it is funny, when someone posts something and says to comment. Then when you do they say.

So?

[Cavalier]

I just think it is funny, when someone posts something and says to comment. Then when you do they say.

So?I too see the hummor in that

[monkeyfish]

It's not that I don't like bonding or synergy it's just that it's hard for me to have a bit of synergy with not a lot of figures to bond with, see me and my friend only have 2 ms, 2 vw, 2 rttff, 1 wave 1, 1 wave 2, 1 wave 5, and orms, rv, 1 wave 3 heroes, and one sentinals and monks. So we don't really have much to work with when I build armies. :(

[justjohn]

I have to agree with the lack of synergy. I also have to agree about playing favorites. But sometimes, you have to choose favorites over favorites, know what I mean? In that group of figs/squads, there have to be some figures you like more than others. Split it in half, choose 2 of those squads/figures and then build your army around those core figures/squads. Does that make any sense?

[monkeyfish]

Okay now down to samurai and minions. What now?

[Jormi_Boced]

Well if you play any 500 pointers, I think this army could be fairly tough.

Samurai - 100
Minions x2 - 220
Raeilin - 80
Krav Maga - 100

I think that would be real solid.

[monkeyfish]

Well if you play any 500 pointers, I think this army could be fairly tough.

Samurai - 100
Minions x2 - 220
Raeilin - 80
Krav Maga - 100

I think that would be real solid.
I only have one squad of minions. :(

[Jormi_Boced]

Well you can proxy one until you get more.

[monkeyfish]

Well you can proxy one until you get more.
What's proxy?

[Rÿchean]

proxy = standin

like use sentinels to represent the other set of minions

[Jormi_Boced]

Yeah, just pretend that they are another set of minions. I very rarely will take one squad of any common. If I choose a common squad, I feel that I need to have at lest two to make them worth it.

[monkeyfish]

Okay I can probably switch the sentinals with minions or better yet, the ninjas.

[monkeyfish]

Here's one I just made that I think has a bit of synergy.
Raelin
Krav
Nakitas
Kozuke
I'm trying to go for a defensive/you can't hit me theme.

[justjohn]

I've actually been toying around with the same army. I think it has a TON of potential. I think Nakita+Krav, with or without Raelin, is really, really good.

[monkeyfish]

I think it works best with Raelin to make up for the Kozuke's low defense and make thier counterstrike better.

[jacob_j_p]

I playtested that army for the SWOGG tournament (Raelin, Krav, Nakitas, and Kozuke), and it didn't work as well as it would seem. You end up wasting a lot of turns just getting nakitas in to position, and with their short range, they usually can't shoot at anything. The other three parts are good, but you're better choosing a different 120 points. 3x rats works well because they can grab glyphs, tie up enemy units, and force them to shoot at your rats instead of more valuable units.

I want to try to fit more offence into that army, but just haven't figure out anything else that works.

[monkeyfish]

What about the minions??

[Point Blanks]

I playtested that army for the SWOGG tournament (Raelin, Krav, Nakitas, and Kozuke), and it didn't work as well as it would seem. You end up wasting a lot of turns just getting nakitas in to position, and with their short range, they usually can't shoot at anything. The other three parts are good, but you're better choosing a different 120 points. 3x rats works well because they can grab glyphs, tie up enemy units, and force them to shoot at your rats instead of more valuable units.

I want to try to fit more offence into that army, but just haven't figure out anything else that works.

Perhaps if you used the 4th Mass you wouldn't have to waste order markers. How does this army sound?

2X 4th Mass 140
Nikita 120
Kozuke 100
Deathreavers 40

With the 4th Mass you won't have to use as many order markers on the Nikita, and the Kozuke can take out anything that comes your way. In fact, both the 4th Mass and the Kozuke are perfect for holding a position. The Nikita just stay adjacent to the three squads to protect from pesky units with higher range. Other armies that follow this theme work pretty similar:

400
2X 4th Mass
Nikita
Raelin
Izumi


While this army lacks the charging ability of the Kozuke, the Izumi work perfectly with Raelin. Raelin helps out all of the units have some staying power, and the Nikita protect the whole army from ranged attacks.

2X 4th Mass
Nikita
Brunak
Guilty

This army has a little bit more mobility, and can still fall back on the 4th Mass. Brunak can Carry Guilty, who can be placed on the high ground. After that, Brunak can pick up a Nikita, and protect himself from ranged units. The remaining two Nikitas can protect the 4th Massacre.

[monkeyfish]

Here's one my friend used against me in today's game.
Dumutef x2
blastatrons x1
reavers x1
stalkers x1
Crixus
Theracus
swog x1

[heroscaper2.0]

hmm....if im reading correctly, the reavers and stalkers wont work with the blastrons

[deliverymanxas]

hmm....if im reading correctly, the reavers and stalkers wont work with the blastrons

Arent they Soulborgs? I dont have the cards handy right now...but I think the Trons say any soulborg adjacent to the figure you are attacking. But I could be wrong.

[Tiberius]

It is soulborgs controlled by Vydar.

[monkeyfish]

There is barely any synergy in his army, he just drafts the really cheap units. Heck, if he could, he would make an all Dumutef army just to annoy me.