Star Wars HS Dream is over.

[Kepler]

Yesterday WotC announced that they wll not renew their Star Wars license that expires this year. I guess my dream is over. :(

['Scaper94]

:brickwall:Crap!!! This stinks!:down:

[chas]

:twisted: Bad news indeed! But then, the regular SW figures fit nicely on the HS terrain. And our customs folks have already created them all in handy HS versions! So like the C3G work on superheroes, its really all there for you. Refuse to be the pawn of Corporate America! Go custom...

[Kepler]

:twisted: Bad news indeed! But then, the regular SW figures fit nicely on the HS terrain. And our customs folks have already created them all in handy HS versions! So like the C3G work on superheroes, its really all there for you. Refuse to be the pawn of Corporate America! Go custom...

I don't want to disparage the custom makers here, because they do a great job (I ahev just some of that material). My title should have referred to an "official" SW HS set.

I do enjoy being a pawn of corporate America. :)

[LilNewbie]

Here is the link to the announcement: http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75862/22320337/Wizards_of_the_Coast_announcement

Here is the announcement text:


There have been several questions lately regarding the future of the Star Wars Miniatures and Roleplaying Game and until now I haven’t had definitive answers to give you. After a lengthy evaluation, Wizards of the Coast has decided not to renew the Star Wars license with Lucasfilm. We’ve had a long and fantastic run, but with the economic downturn, we have made the tough decision to discontinue our Star Wars lines.


The license officially ends in May this year, with WotC product available through August. In the meantime, we have awesome new products still coming your way. This week, we released The Dark Times minis and Galaxy of Intrigue RPG. We’ll have more coming with Masters of the Force minis in April, which will have some of your most favorite characters along with rare creatures from the Dejarik Holochess game that have never appeared in our game. We’ll also release The Unknown Regions RPG in April, which includes entirely new planets and mini-adventures for each world.


We are finishing the line with a bang so look for special programs at your local game store to stock up on favorite sets before they go into the vault. We will continue to support our Star Wars forums on the Wizards Community site so you can reach out and chat with us and other fans.


While I know the news is disappointing, we wanted to make this announcement as soon as possible and thank you for being such great fans. It’s been a fantastic ride with the Star Wars community and working with Lucasfilm. We hope you enjoy the next several months of great products. You never know when we may circle back again!


Greg Yahn


Director of Marketing, Wizards of the Coast


Newb.

[spiteofthedice]

This doesn't hit me too hard. For some reason, Star Wars doesn't seem to fit as appropriately into HS as Marvel or DnD. I can't say why, since I have no problem with the other two HS licenses. Something about the thought of Vader on a hex just makes me uncomfortable. Maybe I just know the Star Wars characters better, but it would feel like "playing Star Wars" instead of playing HS.

That's just my opinion. Sorry about your Dream. May it rest in peace.

~Spite

[LilNewbie]

Nobody puts Vader on a hex!!

:)

Newb.

[Anthasu1]

Well, guess you all will just have to stick with what we over at the SW Scape thread come up with. :p

[Cleon]

This doesn't hit me too hard. For some reason, Star Wars doesn't seem to fit as appropriately into HS as Marvel or DnD

Same. Marvel > DC scape, LOTR > Star Wars scape, but that's just which I like a lot more out of the pairs. DC does fit right in with Marvel, LOTR would really fit but it wouldn't put as new as a flavor as D&D has/will, Star Wars just doesn't fit for me. Aside from super heroes, maybe it's just Star Wars is primarily sci-fi and completely lacks both fantasy (edit: some stuff could be considered fantasy, but no elves, dragons, etc.) and historical. LOTR has plenty of fantasy and also has some fictional historical, but completely lacks sci-fi. D&D is similar - mainly fantasy, has stuff that's fiction but can count as historical - but it doesn't lack sci-fi as much (it has some pretty sweet Vydar/Aquilla (Aquilla-color wheel) sci-fi if you ask me). D&D was a nice choice while keeping an open mind.

[kboleen]

It wouldn't surprise me if Lucas shopped the Mini's around. They seem to be successful. WoTC isn't giving up on mini's as they have a new series coming out. It seems to me they just didn't want to pay Lucas the royalties any more; which is just a business move. I could see Privateer Press of Fantasy Flight Games pick the SW mini's up.

[Onacara]

This doesn't hit me too hard. For some reason, Star Wars doesn't seem to fit as appropriately into HS as Marvel or DnD.
~Spite


I will tell you why...because a good part of the Star Wars story has to do with the Empire and the Republic fighting air battles.

[chas]

:p Don't you mean space battles?

[Agent Minivann]

It's really hard to speculate on the possibility of Star Wars Heroscape in light of this news. They are dropping the license as it relates to Star Wars Minis is what has happened. Does that license agreement apply only to the existing minis game, or does it apply to a generic use with any game? We don't know that information. Star Wars Heroscape may have never been a possibility with the expiring agreement. This might even be a necessary step in getting Star Wars Heroscape. And my wife calls me a pessimist.

[Simpsons Scaper]

This doesn't hit me too hard. For some reason, Star Wars doesn't seem to fit as appropriately into HS as Marvel or DnD. I can't say why, since I have no problem with the other two HS licenses. Something about the thought of Vader on a hex just makes me uncomfortable. Maybe I just know the Star Wars characters better, but it would feel like "playing Star Wars" instead of playing HS.

That's just my opinion. Sorry about your Dream. May it rest in peace.

~Spite
I have to say I agree. Not just the air battles like Onacara said (Allthough that's part of it) but they just don't seem to be Heroscapeish. Like Spite said, it would feel like playing Star Wars fights. I know most eople I play with like Star Wars and would be inclined to draft mostly/all Star Wars.

[Lank281]

:twisted: Bad news indeed! But then, the regular SW figures fit nicely on the HS terrain. And our customs folks have already created them all in handy HS versions! So like the C3G work on superheroes, its really all there for you. Refuse to be the pawn of Corporate America! Go custom...

I don't want to disparage the custom makers here, because they do a great job (I ahev just some of that material). My title should have referred to an "official" SW HS set.

I do enjoy being a pawn of corporate America. :)
I'm the same way. I love the customs to death on this sight, but I'm an "official" kind of guy. I bought a few clix figures in the past to use as customs, and I can never bring myself to go all the way through with it.

Like I said, I absolutely love the custom creations you guys come up with, but sadly, if it's not official, don't expect to see it on my board. :(
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[mnguy12000]

as far as I know WOTC lost the whole license including minis and RPGs. One problem with the minis was how many versions of the main 3 there were. Power creep was everywhere and I just couldnt keep up. I got out after Champions Of the Force.

I think it is funny that they made this announcement with two other releases to go. Could really kill their sales numbers.

[loborocket]

It's really hard to speculate on the possibility of Star Wars Heroscape in light of this news. They are dropping the license as it relates to Star Wars Minis is what has happened. Does that license agreement apply only to the existing minis game, or does it apply to a generic use with any game? We don't know that information. Star Wars Heroscape may have never been a possibility with the expiring agreement. This might even be a necessary step in getting Star Wars Heroscape. And my wife calls me a pessimist.

The first paragraph of the announcement states the dropping of license affects the WoTC Star Wars LINES. So I take that to mean everything they produce with the name Star Wars is discontinued.

[Kepler]

It's really hard to speculate on the possibility of Star Wars Heroscape in light of this news. They are dropping the license as it relates to Star Wars Minis is what has happened. Does that license agreement apply only to the existing minis game, or does it apply to a generic use with any game? We don't know that information. Star Wars Heroscape may have never been a possibility with the expiring agreement. This might even be a necessary step in getting Star Wars Heroscape. And my wife calls me a pessimist.

The first paragraph of the announcement states the dropping of license affects the WoTC Star Wars LINES. So I take that to mean everything they produce with the name Star Wars is discontinued.

Yes, that includes the minis and RPG products.

[Kepler]

It's really hard to speculate on the possibility of Star Wars Heroscape in light of this news. They are dropping the license as it relates to Star Wars Minis is what has happened. Does that license agreement apply only to the existing minis game, or does it apply to a generic use with any game? We don't know that information. Star Wars Heroscape may have never been a possibility with the expiring agreement. This might even be a necessary step in getting Star Wars Heroscape. And my wife calls me a pessimist.

Now tha I think about it, doesn't Hasbro have a separate SW license? I guess a SW Heroscape game could be released under that license under the Hasbro name.

Okay, maybe the dream isn't dead and maybe this announcement makes a SW HS more likely.

Thanks for bringing me back Mr. Minivann.

[Therrian]

I think what is likely keeping SW Heroscape from being a possibility is the direct relationship that the product would have with non-canon products like Marvel and other Scape entities. If it did exist, I can't see Lucas signing off on anything that involved Star Wars fighting with non-Star Wars stuff.

Though they did have a couple of characters in various fighting games in the past few years, so maybe the reigns have come off a bit, /shrug.

[Kepler]

I think what is likely keeping SW Heroscape from being a possibility is the direct relationship that the product would have with non-canon products like Marvel and other Scape entities. If it did exist, I can't see Lucas signing off on anything that involved Star Wars fighting with non-Star Wars stuff.

Though they did have a couple of characters in various fighting games in the past few years, so maybe the reigns have come off a bit, /shrug.

I don't see where you are getting this "Lucas doesn't want SW fighting non-SW" thing. Is there any evidence of this?

There was lots of cross promotion with SW and Transformers. Wasn't there both a SW and a Transformers action clix game (or something like that). Where the SW and Transformers gaes compatible?

[Therrian]

I think what is likely keeping SW Heroscape from being a possibility is the direct relationship that the product would have with non-canon products like Marvel and other Scape entities. If it did exist, I can't see Lucas signing off on anything that involved Star Wars fighting with non-Star Wars stuff.

Though they did have a couple of characters in various fighting games in the past few years, so maybe the reigns have come off a bit, /shrug.

I don't see where you are getting this "Lucas doesn't want SW fighting non-SW" thing. Is there any evidence of this?

There was lots of cross promotion with SW and Transformers. Wasn't there both a SW and a Transformers action clix game (or something like that). Where the SW and Transformers gaes compatible?

Just my general knowledge of Star Wars and it's iron clad continuity rules. I work at a game company that has dealt with the Star Wars IP in the past and they generally don't like people doing anything that isn't related to Canon.

[loborocket]

There was lots of cross promotion with SW and Transformers.

I think there were even SW Transformers. i think my son has a couple of them.

[Kepler]

I think what is likely keeping SW Heroscape from being a possibility is the direct relationship that the product would have with non-canon products like Marvel and other Scape entities. If it did exist, I can't see Lucas signing off on anything that involved Star Wars fighting with non-Star Wars stuff.

Though they did have a couple of characters in various fighting games in the past few years, so maybe the reigns have come off a bit, /shrug.

I don't see where you are getting this "Lucas doesn't want SW fighting non-SW" thing. Is there any evidence of this?

There was lots of cross promotion with SW and Transformers. Wasn't there both a SW and a Transformers action clix game (or something like that). Where the SW and Transformers gaes compatible?

Just my general knowledge of Star Wars and it's iron clad continuity rules. I work at a game company that has dealt with the Star Wars IP in the past and they generally don't like people doing anything that isn't related to Canon.

Interesting. The transformers thing must have come after your experience with them (or they are inconsistent on the point).

The WotC SW minis game was a slight variation/simplification of the D&D minis game (I never played it much so Iam not sure how compatible they were). Maybe they could do a variation of HS for a SW set that wouldn't be 100% compatible with classic scape (but with a couple small tweaks could be compatible).

[Therrian]

I think what is likely keeping SW Heroscape from being a possibility is the direct relationship that the product would have with non-canon products like Marvel and other Scape entities. If it did exist, I can't see Lucas signing off on anything that involved Star Wars fighting with non-Star Wars stuff.

Though they did have a couple of characters in various fighting games in the past few years, so maybe the reigns have come off a bit, /shrug.

I don't see where you are getting this "Lucas doesn't want SW fighting non-SW" thing. Is there any evidence of this?

There was lots of cross promotion with SW and Transformers. Wasn't there both a SW and a Transformers action clix game (or something like that). Where the SW and Transformers gaes compatible?

Just my general knowledge of Star Wars and it's iron clad continuity rules. I work at a game company that has dealt with the Star Wars IP in the past and they generally don't like people doing anything that isn't related to Canon.

Interesting. The transformers thing must have come after your experience with them (or they are inconsistent on the point).

The WotC SW minis game was a slight variation/simplification of the D&D minis game (I never played it much so Iam not sure how compatible they were). Maybe they could do a variation of HS for a SW set that wouldn't be 100% compatible with classic scape (but with a couple small tweaks could be compatible).

Oh for sure on the stand-alone side of things they could do that. It would just be harder I think for them to make it 'Classic Scape' ala what they are doing with DND.

[Lumen]

With the DDM and SWM games gone, unless I'm mistaken this leaves Scape as WoTC's only miniature skirmish game (not counting Axis&Allies, different audience). Could be good for HeroScape in the long run, with fewer other games from WoTC to compete with, in terms of customers, shelf space, and promotional support.

[ortimus]

I'm just hoping that with the ending of the Minis game, the price of the minis comes down, then I can afford to make customs for scape.

[gorthan313]

I'm just hoping that with the ending of the Minis game, the price of the minis comes down, then I can afford to make customs for scape.


I think it would probably have the opposite effect(prices on minis rising), but that might be just me.....

[Johnnylama]

With the DDM and SWM games gone, unless I'm mistaken this leaves Scape as WoTC's only miniature skirmish game (not counting Axis&Allies, different audience). Could be good for HeroScape in the long run, with fewer other games from WoTC to compete with, in terms of customers, shelf space, and promotional support.
This was my first thought too. I'm sorry about the loss of Star Wars, but I'm sure the profit margin was a big part of the decision. Rising production costs killed the D&D minis game, and if Lucas was asking an arm and a leg for royalties along with rising production costs, the profit margin probably got in the red...

...which seems like good news for Heroscape overall. Wizards must have faith in it to continue to push it while their other mini games are dying off.

Who knows what the future holds? A robust economy and more money sloshing around could revive many dreams in the future. :)

[loborocket]

With the DDM and SWM games gone, unless I'm mistaken this leaves Scape as WoTC's only miniature skirmish game (not counting Axis&Allies, different audience). Could be good for HeroScape in the long run, with fewer other games from WoTC to compete with, in terms of customers, shelf space, and promotional support.

I work in a completly different industry, but my company has spent a lot of effort this year reducing our protfolio of products to specifically focus on our core customer base with fewer more robust products. I suspect this is a pretty common strategy to increase effeciencies no matter what it is you are selling.

[Agent Minivann]

I just can't help but wonder if the DDM decision is really part of a bigger plan. Future hybrid Heroscape/DDM packs with new Heroscape sculpts that have both Heroscape cards and DDM cards. They could conceivably do the same with Star Wars minis, but maybe the existing license agreement wouldn't allow it. It could fit in with a strategy like loborocket mentions. Of course even if the DDM and Star Wars lines are stopping completely, it is still a positive outcome in light of that strategy.

[GreyOwl]

The official StarWars.com website had a note about this that said to stay tuned for news about the future of this product line. I think a different company may have gotten the license, and the minis may continue. Perhaps WotC just got outbid?

[Armydillo978]

I'm still hoping Mongoose Publishing gets it, or the re-invigorated WizKids. Would love to see Battlefield Evo:Star Wars or Star Wars Clix.

[IAmBatman]

:twisted: Bad news indeed! But then, the regular SW figures fit nicely on the HS terrain. And our customs folks have already created them all in handy HS versions! So like the C3G work on superheroes, its really all there for you. Refuse to be the pawn of Corporate America! Go custom...

Not to disparage any of the great Star Wars cards done on this site, but until there's organized playtesting for them, they're not on the same level as C3G.

[Griffin]

I think that there are only 2 reasons why Starwars doesn't translate into Heroscape well.
1) Lightsabers - How the heck does a Jawa even have a chance of blocking a lightsaber? And please don't say Kortosis or I will force choke you.

2) Space ships - 75% of SW conflicts are in space ships. This is not a good time to implement the mechanics used for your custom war turtle. ;)

If it were just Clones and Droids however (boring btw), it would translate perfectly.

[GreyOwl]

1) Lightsabers - How the heck does a Jawa even have a chance of blocking a lightsaber?

The same way Roman soldiers block machine gun fire.;)


2) Space ships - 75% of SW conflicts are in space ships.

I think 75% might be a little too high. But that shouldn't matter. A lot of WWII battles were in the air or sea, yet we have WWII soldiers. Vikings mostly used ships. It can work just as well as most other genres.

[Matt Helm]

The official StarWars.com website had a note about this that said to stay tuned for news about the future of this product line. I think a different company may have gotten the license, and the minis may continue. Perhaps WotC just got outbid?

Perhaps WOTC just got bored of repeating the same figures over, over, over, and yet over again. How many Darth Vader minis are there? ;)

[GreyOwl]

Perhaps WOTC just got bored of repeating the same figures over, over, over, and yet over again. How many Darth Vader minis are there? ;)

It's kind of nice for squad figures, since there are so many different stormtroopers, droids, and clones, but I see your point. However, it works to my advantage because I only need one Vader and I don't care which one it is, and invariably one of them ends up being much cheaper than the rest. :D

[GreyOwl]

Not to disparage any of the great Star Wars cards done on this site, but until there's organized playtesting for them, they're not on the same level as C3G.

I don't know if I should take that as a complement or an insult...

[Griffin]

1) Lightsabers - How the heck does a Jawa even have a chance of blocking a lightsaber?

The same way Roman soldiers block machine gun fire.;)The point is that there is no way to block a lightsaber with any conventional means, you need a lightsaber.


2) Space ships - 75% of SW conflicts are in space ships.

I think 75% might be a little too high. But that shouldn't matter. A lot of WWII battles were in the air or sea, yet we have WWII soldiers. Vikings mostly used ships. It can work just as well as most other genres.Vikings rarely made war on ships, they were on land during most of their skirmishes as they were raping and pillaging. WWII soldiers, yeah, how many of them do we have? 6 and two of them are the same guy Where as SW expansions and Master Sets would bring in tons of units and it would never quite feel like SW.

[Mossman]

Only negative I see is that this might drive up the prices of the SW minis. I still need Darth Maul, Boba Fett, and Jango Fett! (Of course, I only collect them to play SW Scape with Grey Owl's customs).

[IAmBatman]

Not to disparage any of the great Star Wars cards done on this site, but until there's organized playtesting for them, they're not on the same level as C3G.

I don't know if I should take that as a complement or an insult...

Well, since you're in both groups ... :-P
In all seriousness, though, it's an honest assessment. C3G is the highest standard of custom Heroscape work I've been involved with and I don't think there's anything else on the site at that level. I'm not saying Star Wars customs don't have the potential to be, but they're not, and I don't think anyone is currently trying to make them on that level (and until I see a whole bunch of playtesting done, I won't think otherwise).

[GreyOwl]

The point is that there is no way to block a lightsaber with any conventional means, you need a lightsaber.


But again, what conventional means do Roman soldiers use to block machine gun bullets and rockets? Or for that matter, how do they block a Cosmic Blast from Silver Surfer? That's just the mechanics of Heroscape, I don't see lightsabers being any less thematic than what we already have. If you want, think of the Jawas as quickly ducking out of the way and not physically blocking. :)

[IAmBatman]

Not to mention Wolverine's claws should be able to cut through anything so his attacks should all be unblockable by that standard ... :-P

[GreyOwl]

And Captain America's shield, being adamantium, should block anything...

[IAmBatman]

And what happens when Juggernaut (the unstoppable force) runs into Blob (the immovable object)!:shock:

[Griffin]

Captain shield doesn't block anything, Captain has to raise it first.

Silver Surfer's attacks can be blocked in the Superhero Universe, it happens all the time.

Romans block bullets with courage and determination :twisted:, plus their shields probably help.

[Agent Minivann]

All of this fanboy debate is all moot because the Archkyries give their recruits stuff, like Drake's sword that makes him hard to hit from range, and Quigly's Ullar Enhanced Rifle. There would undoubtedly be some metal in Valhalla that a lightsaber can't touch, or it can be enchanted to resist lightsabers. Duh.

[GreyOwl]

Romans block bullets with courage and determination.

That explains it, then. :) Jawas block lightsabers with cunning and deviousness!

[Griffin]

Romans block bullets with courage and determination.

That explains it, then. :) Jawas block lightsabers with cunning and deviousness!:rofl:

[IAmBatman]

All of this fanboy debate is all moot because the Archkyries give their recruits stuff, like Drake's sword that makes him hard to hit from range, and Quigly's Ullar Enhanced Rifle. There would undoubtedly be some metal in Valhalla that a lightsaber can't touch, or it can be enchanted to resist lightsabers. Duh.

Presumably Star Wars Heroscape (which, after reading the info in this thread seems unlikely to ever happen) wouldn't be set in Valhalla (just like Marvel isn't).

[Griffin]

All of this fanboy debate is all moot because the Archkyries give their recruits stuff, like Drake's sword that makes him hard to hit from range, and Quigly's Ullar Enhanced Rifle. There would undoubtedly be some metal in Valhalla that a lightsaber can't touch, or it can be enchanted to resist lightsabers. Duh.

Presumably Star Wars Heroscape (which, after reading the info in this thread seems unlikely to ever happen) wouldn't be set in Valhalla (just like Marvel isn't).
I don't think that the article necessarily means that WotC will not carry the SW license in some way, in fact, the article eludes to some possibility. I think that it might actually be possible that Heroscape may pick up the SW license. Possible anyways.

[GreyOwl]

WotC would need the license for it to be used in Heroscape. Based on other articles, it seems like a different company will be picking up the license, not WotC.

[gorthan313]

And what happens when Juggernaut (the unstoppable force) runs into Blob (the immovable object)!:shock:




*Uses best Heath Ledge Joker voice*


So this is what happens when the unstoppable force meets the immovable object!


And we can't forget Superman and Hulk not being able to be hit with bullets:p!

[Eirikr]

Star Wars is primarily sci-fi and completely lacks both fantasy (edit: some stuff could be considered fantasy, but no elves, dragons, etc.) and historical.
If you think that Star Wars is science fiction and is not fantasy then I think you don't have any idea of what those two genres are all about.

[Griffin]

Star Wars is primarily sci-fi and completely lacks both fantasy (edit: some stuff could be considered fantasy, but no elves, dragons, etc.) and historical.
If you think that Star Wars is science fiction and is not fantasy then I think you don't have any idea of what those two genres are all about.
Yep, I am with Eirikr on this one. I would say what Lucas says about Starwars "Starwars is a fantasy drama that uses the Sci-Fi theme to tell the story, but it is primarily a fantasy drama." Now the new movies and cartoons definitly stray away from that mold some, but SW at its core, is a fantasy drama.

[GreyOwl]

Yes, Star Wars isn't pure sci-fi, but neither is it pure fantasy. I like to call it "sci-fi fantasy".

[Matt Helm]

So then what do you call "Space Balls"? Sci-Fi-fantasy-comedy?

[IAmBatman]

Spoof? Parody?

[DrRansom]

Star Wars is primarily sci-fi and completely lacks both fantasy (edit: some stuff could be considered fantasy, but no elves, dragons, etc.) and historical.
If you think that Star Wars is science fiction and is not fantasy then I think you don't have any idea of what those two genres are all about.
Yep, I am with Eirikr on this one. I would say what Lucas says about Starwars "Starwars is a fantasy drama that uses the Sci-Fi theme to tell the story, but it is primarily a fantasy drama." Now the new movies and cartoons definitly stray away from that mold some, but SW at its core, is a fantasy drama.

I believe the term you are looking for is Space Opera (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_opera). Like Buck Rogers, the BSG series and any story where some hero saves the universe and gets the girl (even if it is his sister).

[GreyOwl]

There you go, Star Wars is a "Space Opera". And Spaceballs is a "Space Oparody". :)

[chas]

:lol: Since I have just about all the SW Minis, and since 3D hexes are cooler than Paper Maps, I will continue to play SW on HS terrain...at Ridiculous Speed!

[DrRansom]

"O'parodies". :)
Sounds like a kitchy faux Irish pub.

[Lumen]

And Captain America's shield, being adamantium, should block anything...

<pointless correction two days after the fact>

Actually, it's primarily vibranium. Adamantium was created in a later experiment trying to re-create the material in the shield. Marvel made the same mistake themselves a number of times, though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_America%27s_shield

[GreyOwl]

You know, you're right. I knew that at point, but somehow I had forgotten it. :)

[Kepler]

Here is the new SW action figure battle game from the 2010 Toy Fair. I will be interested in seeing the rules for this thing.


http://www.rebelscum.com/TF2010/Hasbro_presentation/Slide5.JPG (http://www.rebelscum.com/TF2010/Hasbro_presentation/image6.asp)

[Armydillo978]

Nice find.....but....sadly (for me) it reminds me a bit of that ShadowRun Duels (http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/6698/shadowrun-duels) game that WizKids put out several years back that had the big, customizable figures as well. That didn't last long.

I doubt that this is the replacement for SWM......or at least I hope not.

[Kepler]

Nice find.....but....sadly (for me) it reminds me a bit of that ShadowRun Duels (http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/6698/shadowrun-duels) game that WizKids put out several years back that had the big, customizable figures as well. That didn't last long.

I never heard of that one.

I doubt that this is the replacement for SWM......or at least I hope not.

I would hope not either, but it will be interesting to see the rule set.

[chas]

:lol: I just played a game, using Jedi Crusader for the first time to allow Darth Revan (The Sith of all Sith) to lead my team of Good Guys! Let's hope Star Wars minis change companies the way Jedi of the Old Republic change alignment!

[Jeabird]

ShadowRun Duels was such a misstep for wizkids it's not even funny. That's a license I would like to see in mini form. But alas it was never meant to be.

[Uchiha Blood]

Romans block bullets with courage and determination.

That explains it, then. :) Jawas block lightsabers with cunning and deviousness!

That's how they do it in Lego Star Wars. :D

[LMB]

It wouldn't surprise me if Lucas shopped the Mini's around. They seem to be successful. WoTC isn't giving up on mini's as they have a new series coming out. It seems to me they just didn't want to pay Lucas the royalties any more; which is just a business move. I could see Privateer Press of Fantasy Flight Games pick the SW mini's up.

Perhaps an important distinction here is license vs mini molds. I have no idea what the reality is, but I bet WotC owns the molds, so another company licensing SW would likely be starting with just that - the license to create the minis. Making the molds to do so would be an investment the new licensee would have to make.

[chas]

"Red Foxx, standing by!"
"Helen Reddy, standing by!"
"Red October, standing by!"
--Family Guy Star Wars parody

The number of different Star Wars figure franchises has become ridiculous, especially since most are noncompatible. Besides the standard minis we are discussing, I have a complete collection of solid 54mm figures (recognizable quickly by their having bases under the figures), which most people don't even know exists! In the case of these collectable minis, let's hope the same sculptors come on board with any new expansion...

[Rathmaker]

Here is the new SW action figure battle game from the 2010 Toy Fair. I will be interested in seeing the rules for this thing.


http://www.rebelscum.com/TF2010/Hasbro_presentation/Slide5.JPG (http://www.rebelscum.com/TF2010/Hasbro_presentation/image6.asp)

Looking at that web site with this on it makes me wonder if this is the newer form of SW figures that you find in a toy department. The use of the Clone Wars, Saga Legends, and Battle Pack terms are the exact terms used for different figure collections.

I am wondering if they are just going to add battle cards and bases to the figure packaging. *shrug*

[Armydillo978]

I would think that will be seperate from SWM....more of an gateway game to younger kids into viewing their figures as game pieces and to encourage them to buy more game figures. It's not always cool to have toys, but it's cool to have "game figures".

[Kepler]

Here is the new SW action figure battle game from the 2010 Toy Fair. I will be interested in seeing the rules for this thing.


http://www.rebelscum.com/TF2010/Hasbro_presentation/Slide5.JPG (http://www.rebelscum.com/TF2010/Hasbro_presentation/image6.asp)

Looking at that web site with this on it makes me wonder if this is the newer form of SW figures that you find in a toy department. The use of the Clone Wars, Saga Legends, and Battle Pack terms are the exact terms used for different figure collections.

I am wondering if they are just going to add battle cards and bases to the figure packaging. *shrug*

My understanding is that is excactly what this thing is.

[kboleen]

It wouldn't surprise me if Lucas shopped the Mini's around. They seem to be successful. WoTC isn't giving up on mini's as they have a new series coming out. It seems to me they just didn't want to pay Lucas the royalties any more; which is just a business move. I could see Privateer Press of Fantasy Flight Games pick the SW mini's up.

Perhaps an important distinction here is license vs mini molds. I have no idea what the reality is, but I bet WotC owns the molds, so another company licensing SW would likely be starting with just that - the license to create the minis. Making the molds to do so would be an investment the new licensee would have to make.

I agree that I don't know the reality, but I don't think WotC owns the molds for the minis. Lucas is just to controlling for that. Case in point: Marvel published over 100 issues of their Star Wars comic in the 70's and 80's plus a daily newspaper strip only to see Dark Horse reprint them in the 90's. Having said that, I think it would be detrimental for a new company to just rehash old molds. Look at the flack Wiz Kids went through when they released Mage Knight Dungeons Pyramids which rehashed a lot of older figures.