Heroscape Hatin'

[Sweetcurse]

For the first time ever I talked to someone who despises HS. I was so shocked and a bit hurt, and confused and speechless. Thank God Jonathan was there because I could have lost my temper.

Basically, Jonathan and I are playing at my house and this friend of mine stops by. I had asked him over to play HS (I gave him a set for christmas that he never used, which I have asked for back since he didn't like it). He shows up but goes straight for my PS2 and starts playing. We kept playing and on the next game we asked him to join us, to at least try it. He refused and we explained to him why it was fun. His answer was to say that the game looked horrible and that he didn't understand why anyone would play it. "Yeah, because terrain looks just like that in real life...with hexes." "And the figures are pretty bad, the colors are off and the sculpts are ugly." "I much prefer minis that are well painted and terrain that looks real." He is a warhammer GW player and hence the preference. To illustrate his point he goes over to the minis and says, "see like this guy (Krug) for example he's so badly...oh wait he's ok, but his one (Nif)...well he's not so bad either...OK! these are pretty awful (snipers)." I almost laughed because the first two he picks up are pretty well done and he couldn't argue that. Now I understand the preference for more realistic looking games, I myself paint minis, but I just can't accept blind hate for HS without even trying it ONE time.

Also, I'm not wanting to bash my friend, he's cool and all, but the HS hate just baffles and irritates me. As I said, good thing Jonathan was there because he took it all in stride and just said something like "well good thing you don't hate us." I know HS aren't the best painted or sculpted, but they are infinitely cheaper and you can play out of the box. The terrain is abstract, but realistic one is so hard to make.

Anyway that's my HS hatin' story.

[MegadeV]

That's crazy. That Warhammer stuff may look great, but you're never going to be able to modify or customize a map as easily as you can with Heroscape.

[markwars]

Ignorance plain and simple.

[BilboAtBagEnd]

Some of them feel threatened by people who think that a combat miniatures game other than Warhammer is pleasant and even addictive. It just doesn't fit into their world view where Warhammer is god and all right-thinking people should just accept it.

The fact that Heroscape is popular and/or their friends like it turns their world upside down. For some of the more insecure, the fact that anyone likes Heroscape bothers them. And some of them proceed to comfort themselves by saying that Heroscape is nothing, in every way, shape, and form. (Amusingly, it still bothers them, otherwise they wouldn't be making the effort.)

I recall reading a few Battlelore comments that said "this will blow Heroscape entirely out of the water" and what they don't understand is that the two games don't occupy anywhere near the same niche, unless one wants to take that to a very superficial level ("fantasy forces get together and fight"), and that there is no need for one game to threaten the other.

Try getting that through their thick skulls....

Not all Warhammer fans are this way, but some are far more fanatical than others.

[-Zim-]

Yea, my stepdad suffered from the same problem. Saying the figures looked horrible. Then one night me and my friend are playing in the dining room and he sits down to watch and is amazed at it.

He used to be into Warhammer 40k back in the day so he likes and wants to play. The bad thing is he is hardly home and works alot. So we haven't been able to play.

[ilgandy]

I've tried playing with people who aren't that into it and the game just gets so boring. I love playing, but when I try to make a new person play it and they are just like, "eh, whatever" the game goes so slowly and I start to get really bored.

[Uprising]

Man, I just don't get that. Atleast try the game before you bash it. Although I have to agree with ilgandy, that when you play with people who aren't really into it, it could be boring. At this point in time, I know who can game and who can can't so I don't really run into this problem a lot.

[Rodriquez]

I ran across the same kinda problem years and years ago..tryin to get into warhammer,etc but the ppl I knew how played it where totally serious about everything...it was horrible..and the thing Ive noticed is that most WH, etc type players still view HS as a "bad" game simple b/c of the sculpts and terrain..

not to say I've run across a few kewl guys..there's a gamers shop over in mall of georgia where the guys who werk there are a pretty likeable lot..

I think what turns most hardcord WH, etc gamers offa of heroscape isna the fiq's or the terrain but rather the fact that it looks "kiddish" they don't take the time to look into the mechanics to much..all the see is mass produced toy.

cheers
Rod

[Sweetcurse]

Ignorance plain and simple.

I told him, "the only people who don't like Heroscape and Battlestar Galactica are the ones who haven't tried it...ignorance is bliss." i don't think he liked that comment either.

[Uprising]

I ran across the same kinda problem years and years ago..tryin to get into warhammer,etc but the ppl I knew how played it where totally serious about everything...it was horrible..and the thing Ive noticed is that most WH, etc type players still view HS as a "bad" game simple b/c of the sculpts and terrain..

not to say I've run across a few kewl guys..there's a gamers shop over in mall of georgia where the guys who werk there are a pretty likeable lot..

I think what turns most hardcord WH, etc gamers offa of heroscape isna the fiq's or the terrain but rather the fact that it looks "kiddish" they don't take the time to look into the mechanics to much..all the see is mass produced toy.

cheers
Rod

Yea, Heroscape gets such a bad rap because it's aimed at kids. Who cares!!! It's fun as heck to play. I gave Warhammer a try when I was around 18. It was cool and all, but I didn't get into it for long. Too much for a casual gamer like me, and I find that Warhammer people aren't casual. No offense to anyone who plays it, just my experience. I think HS's casual and quick gameplay are what appeal to me the most, and I think the figures rock.

[kenjib]

Maybe it's just not the best game for him. You don't always have to try something to know that it's not your kind of thing. I don't think you should take his preference personally. There are different things that people try to get out of a game. A person who is heavy into simulation might not like Heroscape. It is true that the terrain doesn't look real. The units are a hodge-podge of genres and time periods. The rules (or lack of) for line of sight, facing, placing order markers, and calculating height with distance factored in, to cite just a few examples, are really awful from the perspective of realism. For someone to whom these things are part of what they enjoy in a miniatures war game, Heroscape will probably really turn them off. In my opinion Heroscape is one of those things where you have to ignore the rationality and just play it like a game - accepting all of the rules as the parameters that you work within and exploit. The fun of Heroscape is in the gaming challenge - how to use the rules (and by rules I'm including each unit's special abilities) to win - not in being immersed in the simulation of warfare. The game is simple and streamlined to make this aspect of play work well because too much realism can really detract from this aspect.

Were you really angry/irritated at how he didn't like Heroscape, or was it because of your friend's possible poor guest manners that I infer from your post? When I am invited over to someone's house, and I accept the invitation, I know that I am there to spend time with that person, not to go off and avail myself of his things on my own. If I am invited over under the premise that I will be doing something that is not one of my favorite things to do, then I suck it up and try to have fun as best I can because that was the condition under which I accepted the invitation. Additionally, it seems like there might be an issue around the fact that you gave him a gift and he doesn't seem to appreciate it - whether it was Heroscape or something else isn't really the main issue, is it?

[Point Blanks]

One of the many things I like about Heroscape is that it doesn't sacrifice good gameplay for realism. The mechanics are solid, and there is a plethora of options that are at your disposal. While the game is unplausible, it is just FUN.

Anyway, I'm much rather count hexes then break out a ruler for my movement anyday.

[Rÿchean]

ahmen brother...now make arrangements to come to Dallas on the 21st of October for a Heroscape tourney:-D

link below ;-)

[Sweetcurse]

Not really, the gift thing doesn't bother me, actually I'm glad, means I get a set for myself! I think the fact that you come over knowing you're invited to heroscape and then not even try it, look at the rules or anything and on top of that bash it is saddening. It is true that you don't have to try everything to know if you'd like it, but for the most part you do have to try. I mean, I don't try drugs to see if I like them, but a game, specially a quick one like HS is easy to try without consequence. Broccoli and other foods is the same way, you have to taste!

Guest manners WERE annoying too, but that I can overlook due to the fact that we are old friends. I also agree, as I said, that it's ok if it's not your type of game. If he didn't want to get in on it I can accept. But to come over and not even want to try a quick game, or even watch seems prejudiced against the game.

[Sweetcurse]

ahmen brother...now make arrangements to come to Dallas on the 21st of October for a Heroscape tourney:-D

link below ;-)

I wish I could go, but our baby will only be about three weeks old then. I doubt I can get away!

[Point Blanks]

ahmen brother...now make arrangements to come to Dallas on the 21st of October for a Heroscape tourney:-D

link below ;-)

It'd be awesome to meet all of you guys. Now if I can get my dad into the game everything will work out perfectly. :twisted:

[TopHatCat64]

(I gave him a set for christmas that he never used, which I have asked for back since he didn't like it)

Out of curiousity, are you going to get him a replacement gift? Seems a little odd to ask to get a christmas gift back, even if he didn't like it.

[Sweetcurse]

(I gave him a set for christmas that he never used, which I have asked for back since he didn't like it)

Out of curiousity, are you going to get him a replacement gift? Seems a little odd to ask to get a christmas gift back, even if he didn't like it.

Yeah, we decided to trade stuff. Probably we'll end up trading PS2 games for it. I woldn't just take it back, that would be rude. I just talked to him afterwards and told him that since he really, really disliked it and wasn't ever going to use it, we could trade stuff. Why let that set just sit there forever?

[jcb231]

For the first time ever I talked to someone who despises HS. I was so shocked and a bit hurt, and confused and speechless. Thank God Jonathan was there because I could have lost my temper.

Basically, Jonathan and I are playing at my house and this friend of mine stops by. I had asked him over to play HS (I gave him a set for christmas that he never used, which I have asked for back since he didn't like it). He shows up but goes straight for my PS2 and starts playing. We kept playing and on the next game we asked him to join us, to at least try it. He refused and we explained to him why it was fun. His answer was to say that the game looked horrible and that he didn't understand why anyone would play it. "Yeah, because terrain looks just like that in real life...with hexes." "And the figures are pretty bad, the colors are off and the sculpts are ugly." "I much prefer minis that are well painted and terrain that looks real." He is a warhammer GW player and hence the preference. To illustrate his point he goes over to the minis and says, "see like this guy (Krug) for example he's so badly...oh wait he's ok, but his one (Nif)...well he's not so bad either...OK! these are pretty awful (snipers)." I almost laughed because the first two he picks up are pretty well done and he couldn't argue that. Now I understand the preference for more realistic looking games, I myself paint minis, but I just can't accept blind hate for HS without even trying it ONE time.

Also, I'm not wanting to bash my friend, he's cool and all, but the HS hate just baffles and irritates me. As I said, good thing Jonathan was there because he took it all in stride and just said something like "well good thing you don't hate us." I know HS aren't the best painted or sculpted, but they are infinitely cheaper and you can play out of the box. The terrain is abstract, but realistic one is so hard to make.

Anyway that's my HS hatin' story.

I find that a lot of folks who play expensive games that require you to paint and build a lot fo stuff get uppity about HS and other miniature games simply because they quietly resent it's ease of use. They hate it specifically because of it's simple land and pre-painted coolness, even though they rarely admit to that.

[Baconsteak]

I've got a few friends whose dissinterest in heroscape baffles me and my other friend to no end.

One used to play a lot of warhammer and came off with the same, "crappy sculpts, dumbed down version of warhammer" rhetoric that many of you have also witnessed.

Another friend saw us play one game (well he kinda glanced at it while he was watching baseball) when we had gotten the first masterset and claims he's seen all there is to it and doesn't care one bit about how fun we claim it to be. Yet, he plays D&D each week with us also and has no issues with moving little figures around on a boring dry erase marker map and rolling dice.

It's such an easier to enjoy, faster moving, and ultimately free game experiance for them (since my friend and I have more than enough to let them use whatever they want)
THEY WON'T EVEN TRY IT!
Blah.

:x

[Sweetcurse]

That's exactly how I feel.

I suppose it's also annoying that when he suggested a game I got into it, gave it a chance. He insisted we play Mordheim and I gave it a try. I had never played paint-your-own minis games and it was kind of tough to get into. But I tried, and liked it. I got really good at painting and playing and just when I was really into it, he decided to stop playing it. I would ask him about it and nothing. I spent quite a lot of money into it and suddendly no playing. Maybe he didn't like that I won all the time, but that's not my fault.

That may be part of the reason HS became so attractive. I needed a game and had no one to play Mordheim with. My wife paints beautifully but won't play it. So, why not try out a game I suggested, at least once? out of friendship. It's just weird to me so much prejudice.

[Su-Bak-Na]

Ignorance plain and simple.

I told him, "the only people who don't like Heroscape and Battlestar Galactica are the ones who haven't tried it."

That's very close to what my sig says minus the Battlestar, Galactica part.

[Thor]

You know HeroScape figures might not look quite as nice as the Warhammer ones, but so what? Those slightly better WH sculpts come at a price. Did you point out to your friend how you can pick up a 10 dollar expansion at WM or Target and get 6 or 7 figures while he has to find a game store that carries Warhammer and drop 35-40 on a box of 16-20 figures? Not only that, I know Warhammer prices go up every few years and every 4 years or so every army gets an over haul with all new miniatures and army rules you have to buy. And lets not forget how HeroScape comes playable right out of the package while you have to cut, assemble, and paint all your WH miniatures. I enjoy painting a few figures, don't get me wrong, but after painting dozens and dozens of the same figures it becomes tedious and boring.

And I dunno how your friend could even complain about the HeroScape terrain when WH has a few buildings and props you can buy and play on (which are also very expensive), but other then that the large majority of the game takes place on a bare table or counter top. Considering how HeroScape is a mass produced game I think the quality is astounding. The figures and terrain look gorgeous all things considered. WH and HS are two very different games, each has their advantages and disadvantage. If your friend consist on being a pain and bashing HS you might want to point some of these things out to him.

[jaques]

Ignorance plain and simple.

I told him, "the only people who don't like Heroscape and Battlestar Galactica are the ones who haven't tried it...ignorance is bliss." i don't think he liked that comment either.

Wait a second -- he doesn't like Heroscape OR Battlestar Galactica???

One or the other I could take, but if he hates them both, I say you've got to put him on your "dead to me" list.

[Riggler]

Ignorance plain and simple.

I told him, "the only people who don't like Heroscape and Battlestar Galactica are the ones who haven't tried it...ignorance is bliss." i don't think he liked that comment either.

Wait a second -- he doesn't like Heroscape OR Battlestar Galactica???

One or the other I could take, but if he hates them both, I say you've got to put him on your "dead to me" list.

LOL. I'm a huge Galactica fan. The only edge HS has over Galactica is that after the producers, actors and writers for Galactica move on to other projects HS will still be around. And that is the ONLY edge. If I were told I got 100 episodes of Galactica or 100 heroscape games for the rest of my life and that was it. I'm sorry. I'd have to choose Galactica.

[Karkadinn]

Hexes > measuring in a minis game any day of the week. I've got a game (not Warhammer) that requires measuring, and it's insane how much it slows the game down. I'll take ease of play over 'realism' in my board gaming, thank you very much.

[krai]

I am suprised that some1 would not like a game just for the units and terrain it cant be true noone would have ever liked Mage Knight! I do understand the kidishness turning some people off, but there are a lot of things that litte kids like that many people of all ages like (ice ceam, cake, pop corn, candy)

[Wulfebane]

Most of my games consist of Me and my wife. We've played HS with our group of friends a couple times, and all we get out of it is "The rules aren't realistic... How can a tiny elf get a height advantage over a huge dragon just being one level up?" And don't get me started on line of sight. But the thing that really urks me is the "This game is designed for 8 year olds" remarks when they don't get their way or lose a figure in a battle.

At least my wife plays. Believe it or not, she even supports my addiction, everytime she goes to Wal-Mart or TRU, she'll call me if she sees something I don't have. Hell, she even picked up 6 MS at the Meijer clearance for me. One of these days I'll be able to enjoy a game of HS with more than just one other person...

[kenjib]

But the thing that really urks me is the "This game is designed for 8 year olds" remarks when they don't get their way or lose a figure in a battle.

lol! What does that say about them?

[Teamski]

I get the same treatement at the comic shop I play at. However, I find it funny that the Warhammer players play maybe 1 or 2 games, 2 to 3 hours max, while my table is going nonestop for 6 hours at least.

To be honest, I do get good treatment from most people, as I have been going there for quite a while now. I think it's starting to rub in that Heroscape isn't a passing fad. It continues to grow and the castle turned a lot of eyes!

Heroscape is a game I can bring in complete and offer anybody 5 minutes of instruction to play. Boom! I got my game on with 4-6 players every time, sometimes 8. Warhammer, however, you have to find somebody with another army and play them, if they show up. Na. I'll stick with Heroscape as I have been for the past 2 years. It ain't going nowhere.

-Ski

[RichardD]

I think I've read that same "Battlelore versus HS" thread that Bilbo has(though my name and avatar are a bit different over there). And it turns out that there are many people that just don't like HS.

Fine. No problem. Some people like football (soccer, for the fools out there that think "football" is a game played with the hands and body armour), some people like basketball. They're all wrong, of course, because I've decided that they are both rubbish, and in my universe only my opinion counts.

In my universe, Heroscape is great, and hot needles couldn't get me to play - let alone collect - Warhammer.

But we all occupy our own little universes. People are allowed to hold different opinions - even mule-headed, misconcieved or prejudiced opinions. Complaining about it rarely gets ou anywhere. But don't feel that someone else's opinion devalues your own. If *you* like Heroscape, that's a perfectly valid opinion to hold, and it's no less valid if all your friends hate it.

Opinions are not popularity contests. Don't worry that you hold an unpopular opinion about something, or worry that someone else has a negative opinion about something that is so clearly great. The only time opinions are counted or scored is in elections, and we ALL lose then because no matter which politician wins, he's a pillock.

I bet that gets past the naughty word filter, too :)

[robaula]

I frequently go into my local Games Workshop store to buy paints and other bits to use for Heroscape. I think the staff in there have been programmed to ask everyone who comes to the checkout "What are you going to do with that?" - meaning the paints etc. Each time I say that its for Heroscape - a non-Games Workshop game and their eyes tend to glaze over - "What, you mean there's OTHER games out there?"
One member of staff got a little aggitated and asked me why I didnt try out Games Workshop stuff. I replied that I had done about 20 years ago, but nowadays it was too damn expensive. He REALLY didnt seem to like me saying that, and gave me a hideous stare that basically said he wanted to rip out my guts and dance in the entrails....

[RichardD]

Oh, if the GW shop staff are stupid enough to try a sales pitch on me within the hearing of anyone impressionable, when all I'm trying to do is buy a can of varnish (I can live without their paints etc, but GW do the *only* matt varnish that I've ever been happy with), then they get what they deserve. Which is usually a 5-minute tirade on how the last GW game worth a damn was Epic 40k, and why don't they make *proper* games anymore like Blood Royale?

[Sweetcurse]

I think I've read that same "Battlelore versus HS" thread that Bilbo has(though my name and avatar are a bit different over there). And it turns out that there are many people that just don't like HS.

Fine. No problem. Some people like football (soccer, for the fools out there that think "football" is a game played with the hands and body armour), some people like basketball. They're all wrong, of course, because I've decided that they are both rubbish, and in my universe only my opinion counts.

In my universe, Heroscape is great, and hot needles couldn't get me to play - let alone collect - Warhammer.

But we all occupy our own little universes. People are allowed to hold different opinions - even mule-headed, misconcieved or prejudiced opinions. Complaining about it rarely gets ou anywhere. But don't feel that someone else's opinion devalues your own. If *you* like Heroscape, that's a perfectly valid opinion to hold, and it's no less valid if all your friends hate it.

Opinions are not popularity contests. Don't worry that you hold an unpopular opinion about something, or worry that someone else has a negative opinion about something that is so clearly great. The only time opinions are counted or scored is in elections, and we ALL lose then because no matter which politician wins, he's a pillock.

I bet that gets past the naughty word filter, too :)

Very true. I just wish the hate was founded after trying the darn thing, not before. I understand people who don't like soccer after watching it several times, it's a very technical sport and its nuances are difficult to grasp. But I only accept it after they try to enjoy it, not before. Thanks for your post, very good.

[robaula]

Oh, if the GW shop staff are stupid enough to try a sales pitch on me within the hearing of anyone impressionable, when all I'm trying to do is buy a can of varnish (I can live without their paints etc, but GW do the *only* matt varnish that I've ever been happy with), then they get what they deserve. Which is usually a 5-minute tirade on how the last GW game worth a darn was Epic 40k, and why don't they make *proper* games anymore like Blood Royale?

To add to my previous comment, when I said that when I was into GW stuff, and the games were priced at £19.99 each, the guy working in GW looked at me as if I was stupid and said "I dont remember them ever being that cheap".
That might well be because 20 years ago, when they WERE that cheap, he was probably either:

a)still in nappys
b)inside a warm, cosy womb

or

c)hanging in the darkest parts of his fathers trousers still

[RichardD]

Heck, I remember when GW didn't sell *any* GW product. They sold stuff like Traveller, Call of Cthulu and D&D. What was the *first* GW-branded product (Apocalypse, perhaps)? I seem to recall that Skeletons were their first plastic product, but their first lead figures? I know that when they first published Warhammer, they didn't do *any* figures, so you were actively encouraged to buy from other sources! How times change.

[happyjosiah]

You know what, I understand people who like GW. It does LOOK better, and that almost isn't debatable. Some of the paintjobs I have seen on GW stuff are pretty stellar. I have not seen any repainting of HS figs that even comes close. Also, I agree that the hexes with all the brown in between don't really look that cool, at least compared to the hills and stuff that you can make for Warhammer. And you can tell both of those things to be true without playing the game. IF that is what you are looking for, HS isn't for you *gasp*. I play heroscape because of the ease of teaching and playing the game and the fact that I don't have to spend hours and hours building terrain and painting minis before I can play. It's also much cheaper. Plus the customizability means that since I haven't spent a month building a map, I don't have to worry about tearing it down and making a new one, that very day even. Oh, and hexes. Let's just say that measuring tapes are NOT my cup 'o tea.
I do think it is pretty hilarrious that he picked up Krug and Nilfheim first for his examples though. :lol: Krug is just so sweet looking!

[Sweetcurse]

I agree that on looks alone it's hard to want to try it. But, again, just courtesy of trying it, as friends, since I did try all the games he offered me.

I still play Mordheim precisely because the minis are so detailed. The wife and I paint them and they do look great when finished. With good ruined buildings the game is breathtaking as you say. Nevertheless, I wish people whould at least give HS a fair chance.

The Krug, Nif thing was hilarious. They are probably in the top paint jobs. Also, I'll repaint some HS stuff, maybe it'll look good.

[allskulls]

I remember when HS first came out. It looked kinda cool but that was when I was into Heroclix and the marketing towards kids turned me off. My son played Clix anyway. It wasn't until he lost interest in Clix that I bought Scape. If I got it from the beginning I would have saved so much money...Clix would have been over for me sooner.

I always thought the Warhammer stuff was cool but there was no way I would invest that heavily in a game that complicated.

[Sweetcurse]

I invested soooooooo much money on heroclix. I truly regret that now. The system was frustrating and the collecting expensive.

[Karkadinn]

I invested soooooooo much money on heroclix. I truly regret that now. The system was frustrating and the collecting expensive.

Just think of all the custom figures you have now. :D

[allskulls]

I invested soooooooo much money on heroclix. I truly regret that now. The system was frustrating and the collecting expensive.
Yep, I'm in the process of converting some of my old Clix buddies now.

Kark- Right on!

[Sweetcurse]

The wife wants them axed and sold. Ha ha ha. I doubt they're worth anythig now. I have so many figs.

[allskulls]

The wife wants them axed and sold. Ha ha ha. I doubt they're worth anythig now. I have so many figs.
Some are still worth selling but trading is better to me. I am into the custom thing so if you want to do some trading let me know.

[spleek]

happyjosiah has hit the nail on the head for me. Try to set a newbie down and explain WH rules to them without them falling asleep. With HS I have introduced friends into gaming that simply do not have the patience for WH, Necromunda, WHepic, etc... I hook 'em with HS and then sneak attack with D&D, they turned out to be more excited about the weekly games than I am!!!

[robaula]

happyjosiah has hit the nail on the head for me. Try to set a newbie down and explain WH rules to them without them falling asleep. With HS I have introduced friends into gaming that simply do not have the patience for WH, Necromunda, WHepic, etc...

I hear you on that note, spleek.

[Point Blanks]

I invested soooooooo much money on heroclix. I truly regret that now. The system was frustrating and the collecting expensive.

I got my decent collection fairly cheap. The comic shop owner gave me the starter set for free, and a nice friend hooked me up with some playable clix for $5. Then I got the rest of my stuff for winning tourneys. I play once a week, with a little MtG on the side. The game can't compare with Heroscape. The sculpts are bleh, and the mechanics aren't as intuitive as Heroscape. But when you see Nick Fury popping a cap in Wolverine... but I guess Marvelscape would fill my superhero void.

[Sweetcurse]

Marvelscape will definitely fill the void

[LilNewbie]

I enjoyed Heroclix during the first two sets. It was fun having a team of Avengers duking it out against some bad guys. I gave some spare commons/uncommons to friends so we could have fun games but never really got into the game competitively. After seeing the errata and FAQ grow to epic proportions, I decided just to purchase certain figs online and stay away from purchasing too many boosters (still did for fun or for the occasional booster draft tourney.) Now the figs are used in HS and hopefully in some HERO rpg games in the future. :D

And I agree, Sweetcurse, Marvelscape should fit the bill when Captain America needs to put the smack down on Bullseye. ;)

Newb.

[Sweetcurse]

Move AND attack! What a novel idea!

[ninthdoc]

All this discussion about WH looking so much better and how much better they look painted... blah, blah, blah... blah, blah!

If you're like me and paint like feldercarb, then HS fig look much better than anything in any other non-painted collection. :P

allskulls, dam, dude! How old are you? I saw your pic and had you pegged for early 20s! You must be drinking from the same wellspring as truth himself. You young looking turds! :P

[caravaggio]

in comparing heroscape to the games workshop stuff i dont the PAINTING is a very good argument. i mean, i've seen some pretty horrible paintjobs on those things. if a good miniature painter wants to paint his heroscape figures so that they are as good looking as the others there isnt really anything stopping them. although a friend of mine did mention that the sculpts arent quite as detailed as in other games.

[allskulls]

allskulls, dam, dude! How old are you? I saw your pic and had you pegged for early 20s! You must be drinking from the same wellspring as truth himself. You young looking turds! :P
I assume your question was inspired by my speaking of my son...who is 12 by the way (13 in January).

Yep, you got it right, I drink from the wellspring of Life!

31 years young.

[jcb231]

Captain America is going to be putting the smackdown on that uppity Sgt. Drake around my house. Darn him and his smug rank of Sgt! (shakes fist at Drake) I'll show him! I'll show him yet!

That will be followed by the main event of Hulk verus Krug, an epic battle for the ages. Destructible Objects WILL be destroyed, bystanders WILL be smooshed, women and children WILL cry. Two giant monstrosities enter, one giant monstrosity leave.....THUNDERDOME!

Ahem....anyway....

I frequently go into my local Games Workshop store to buy paints and other bits to use for Heroscape. I think the staff in there have been programmed to ask everyone who comes to the checkout "What are you going to do with that?" - meaning the paints etc. Each time I say that its for Heroscape - a non-Games Workshop game and their eyes tend to glaze over - "What, you mean there's OTHER games out there?"
One member of staff got a little aggitated and asked me why I didnt try out Games Workshop stuff. I replied that I had done about 20 years ago, but nowadays it was too darn expensive. He REALLY didnt seem to like me saying that, and gave me a hideous stare that basically said he wanted to rip out my guts and dance in the entrails....

Ya know another good way to **** off the GW people? Ask them, in all sincerity, if they sell any pre-painted figures. I made that mistake once. Oh boy did I make that mistake.

You know what, I understand people who like GW. It does LOOK better, and that almost isn't debatable. Some of the paintjobs I have seen on GW stuff are pretty stellar. I have not seen any repainting of HS figs that even comes close. Also, I agree that the hexes with all the brown in between don't really look that cool, at least compared to the hills and stuff that you can make for Warhammer. And you can tell both of those things to be true without playing the game.

I disagree. It's very debatable. Depends on what your definition of "looking better" is I suppose. If it's "looking more realistic" then certainly GW products fit the bill. If it's "looking like more fun to play with" I think Heroscape blows GW out of the water. That's what sparked my interest to buy it in the first place....it just looked so much better. Anyone can make anything look super-detailed if they have the patience of a saint, a steady hand, some artistic skill and inspiration, and lots of paint and flocking and foam and varnish....but it shows that they put time into it and that to me says "no play, all painting." Heroscape clearly is factory painted, and to me that means the game is all about cracking open the box and having fun, not building and painting and THEN having fun, sorta, maybe.

[happyjosiah]

I guess it all depends what you are going for.
But, if you find that stuff to be as cool as I do, I would consider the flocking and other tile customizations outlined on the front page. Those looked amazing!

[Sweetcurse]

I've thought about painting over the brown on the hexes. Like a darker green on brown of the grass, darker gray on the brown of the stone and darker brown on the sand. I'll try it and see how it looks.

My fear in doing this is that the hexes will become harder to care for.

[Thor]

You know what, I understand people who like GW. It does LOOK better, and that almost isn't debatable. Some of the paintjobs I have seen on GW stuff are pretty stellar. I have not seen any repainting of HS figs that even comes close. Also, I agree that the hexes with all the brown in between don't really look that cool, at least compared to the hills and stuff that you can make for Warhammer. And you can tell both of those things to be true without playing the game. IF that is what you are looking for, HS isn't for you *gasp*. I play heroscape because of the ease of teaching and playing the game and the fact that I don't have to spend hours and hours building terrain and painting minis before I can play. It's also much cheaper. Plus the customizability means that since I haven't spent a month building a map, I don't have to worry about tearing it down and making a new one, that very day even. Oh, and hexes. Let's just say that measuring tapes are NOT my cup 'o tea.
I do think it is pretty hilarrious that he picked up Krug and Nilfheim first for his examples though. :lol: Krug is just so sweet looking!
The paint jobs on the Warhammer miniatures are only as good as the painter. I have seen painted figures that look absolutely stunning, and some that have little more then 1 flat color painted over an entire figure. Compared to other pre-painted miniatures though, I think HeroScape looks darn good! I agree the hexes for HS might look better if the entire top was one color instead of having brown around the edges, but it's not a major gripe of mine.

My biggest problem with Warhammer isn't even so much the complex rules. I mean as much as I love the simplicity of HeroScape, i sometimes long for something more in depth to play. Just looking at the rule books you can see that Warhammer is not for the casual gamer. The rulebook for HS is around 10 pages while the WH one is around what, 400 pages is it? Not to mention all the Codexes and Army books to go along with that.

No, this isn't my biggest problem with Warhammer. Heck, it isn't even the price you pay for the miniatures (which arn't all that much more then you pay for HS), or all the time you have to invest to assemble and paint everything. My biggest problem with Warhammer is how ever few years they rework all the armies in the game, giving them new rules and models to buy. I love that my Master Set figures in HS still work just as well now as they did the day I bought them. The same can't be said about Warhammer. You can invest $500 bucks in a single army and then a few years later be expected to invest all that again to buy all the new stuff. If not you are playing with an out of date army. That's not the case with HS. I don't see them ever making new Grut Orcs or what have you that take the place of the current orcs we have.

[robaula]

I frequently go into my local Games Workshop store to buy paints and other bits to use for Heroscape. I think the staff in there have been programmed to ask everyone who comes to the checkout "What are you going to do with that?" - meaning the paints etc. Each time I say that its for Heroscape - a non-Games Workshop game and their eyes tend to glaze over - "What, you mean there's OTHER games out there?"
One member of staff got a little aggitated and asked me why I didnt try out Games Workshop stuff. I replied that I had done about 20 years ago, but nowadays it was too darn expensive. He REALLY didnt seem to like me saying that, and gave me a hideous stare that basically said he wanted to rip out my guts and dance in the entrails....

Ya know another good way to **** off the GW people? Ask them, in all sincerity, if they sell any pre-painted figures. I made that mistake once. Oh boy did I make that mistake.



I'll give that a try jcb231! :P What happened when you did it?

[Sweetcurse]

robaula, your avatar freaks me out to no end.

[ScoringRubric]

i got kicked out of GS because i said i was just browsing.

[ninthdoc]

i got kicked out of GS because i said i was just browsing.

GS?

[jcb231]

I frequently go into my local Games Workshop store to buy paints and other bits to use for Heroscape. I think the staff in there have been programmed to ask everyone who comes to the checkout "What are you going to do with that?" - meaning the paints etc. Each time I say that its for Heroscape - a non-Games Workshop game and their eyes tend to glaze over - "What, you mean there's OTHER games out there?"
One member of staff got a little aggitated and asked me why I didnt try out Games Workshop stuff. I replied that I had done about 20 years ago, but nowadays it was too darn expensive. He REALLY didnt seem to like me saying that, and gave me a hideous stare that basically said he wanted to rip out my guts and dance in the entrails....

Ya know another good way to **** off the GW people? Ask them, in all sincerity, if they sell any pre-painted figures. I made that mistake once. Oh boy did I make that mistake.



I'll give that a try jcb231! :P What happened when you did it?

I don't want to ruin the surprise!

[ScoringRubric]

or GW or whatever the hell i`m talking about.

[robaula]

I frequently go into my local Games Workshop store to buy paints and other bits to use for Heroscape. I think the staff in there have been programmed to ask everyone who comes to the checkout "What are you going to do with that?" - meaning the paints etc. Each time I say that its for Heroscape - a non-Games Workshop game and their eyes tend to glaze over - "What, you mean there's OTHER games out there?"
One member of staff got a little aggitated and asked me why I didnt try out Games Workshop stuff. I replied that I had done about 20 years ago, but nowadays it was too darn expensive. He REALLY didnt seem to like me saying that, and gave me a hideous stare that basically said he wanted to rip out my guts and dance in the entrails....

Ya know another good way to **** off the GW people? Ask them, in all sincerity, if they sell any pre-painted figures. I made that mistake once. Oh boy did I make that mistake.



I'll give that a try jcb231! :P What happened when you did it?

I don't want to ruin the surprise!

Go on... I need to know if I have to write out my Will before I do it or not...

[jcb231]

No no, do it. It's worth it. Do it when it's really crowded with employees but not customers. Customers will just mock you freely, but staff will have all sorts of fun reactions that pretty much run the scale....DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! :-)

[robaula]

No no, do it. It's worth it. Do it when it's really crowded with employees but not customers. Customers will just mock you freely, but staff will have all sorts of fun reactions that pretty much run the scale....DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! :-)

Ok, you have piked my interest... I will pop in on Monday during my lunchbreak and "see what happens". If I never post again after Monday lunchtime, send the police round to High Wycombe's Games Workshop branch. They will probably have concealed my body there somewhere!!

[Jandars_Hope]

No no, do it. It's worth it. Do it when it's really crowded with employees but not customers. Customers will just mock you freely, but staff will have all sorts of fun reactions that pretty much run the scale....DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! :-)

Ok, you have piked my interest... I will pop in on Monday during my lunchbreak and "see what happens". If I never post again after Monday lunchtime, send the police round to High Wycombe's Games Workshop branch. They will probably have concealed my body there somewhere!!
:rofl:
Ok i've dialled '9..9..' just give me the signal and i'll dial '9' again!

[Su-Bak-Na]

i got kicked out of GS because i said i was just browsing.

GS?

GS= Girl Scouts

Please don't get offended it's just a joke. :P

[Jandars_Hope]

i got kicked out of GS because i said i was just browsing.

GS?

GS= Girl Scouts

Please don't get offended it's just a joke. :P

:rofl: A funny one at that!

[robaula]

i got kicked out of GS because i said i was just browsing.

GS?

GS= Girl Scouts

Please don't get offended it's just a joke. :P

:rofl: A funny one at that!

The connotations (spelling?) of what you said ScoringRubric are really quite amusing, even if you didnt mean it to be. Congratulations, Sir, on making a really funny joke! (I have a warped mind and find it funny, anyways...)

[ScoringRubric]

man, that is pretty funny.

I MADE ANOTHER FUNNY.

[dragonfire]

1 of my friends dispises heroscape(and nintendo, hard rock, MP3 players, and me}.

[robaula]

1 of my friends dispises heroscape(and nintendo, hard rock, MP3 players, and me}.

..and he's still your friend?

[dragonfire]

yep. hes just stubern but he can be one over to the pro heroscape side

[Warmaster of Valhalla]

i have this same problem with my WH playing friends, and its not just heroscape. i play starship combat games besides HS, and whenever i try to get other people to play any of those games with me, all they can talk about is how "broken" the game is.

[robaula]

i have this same problem with my WH playing friends, and its not just heroscape. i play starship combat games besides HS, and whenever i try to get other people to play any of those games with me, all they can talk about is how "broken" the game is.

and WH isnt broken??!!
Strewth...

[Warmaster of Valhalla]

indeed. most of the problem i think comes from my butt kicking awesomeness at playing the Minbari in CTA. HS wise, when im playing the game with my WH playing friends, they tend to be those who tell you what you can and cannot do. i, Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaate that. and so the game becomes tedious.

[django]

1 of my friends dispises heroscape(and nintendo, hard rock, MP3 players, and me}.
nintendo! why does hate nintendo!?

[robaula]

indeed. most of the problem i think comes from my butt kicking awesomeness at playing the Minbari in CTA. HS wise, when im playing the game with my WH playing friends, they tend to be those who tell you what you can and cannot do. i, Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaate that. and so the game becomes tedious.

I used to play WH (many moons ago) with a friend who had memorised literally all of the numbers needed for all of the various dicerolls, depending on the attackers strength, etc (and whatever). Freaky.... No offence to any WH players out there, but I think some of you may be a bit....... strange..... :roll:

[happyjosiah]

I'm sure none of us have memorized every heroscape statistic.... :roll:

[robaula]

I'm sure none of us have memorized every heroscape statistic.... :roll:

I dunno... theres bound to be someone here how can claim to have done that. Its different though from WH - memorizing WH stats is just plain... sad... but memorizing HS stats? Thats just GodLike, and worthy of praise :D