NHSD: SoCal Slaughter! 2009

[warriorneedsfoodbadly]

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Alright, my first thread.
I've reserved the rec. room (clubhouse) for Oct 17th.
Location is 14960 Sherman Way, Olive Tree Apartments, Van Nuys, 91405.
Hours are 8AM - 11PM. I was told that if necessary we may enter before 8AM.
I have enough tables/chairs for 14 games, so if more than 28 contestants sign-up we'll need more equipment.
Anyone wanting to stay for more gaming after the tournament is more than welcome!
There is a small kitchen for food prep. and storage.
There is a boys' restroom and a girls' restroom.
If you want alcohol, I suggest you wait until after the tournament and bring your own supply.
If RenMan allows the use of his equipment, I'll be able to make a few maps.
There is a good deal of parking (do not use the church parking @ Kester intersection) but try and carpool because there is a lot of competition for those spots. I'll place my car in such a way to hold down 2 spots for when needed and my space inside the complex will be available to those with a lot of loading/unloading to do.
I guess we are looking for prize donations from generous souls.
Thank you for your interest and I look forward to a successful event!

Confirmed Details:

Location: warriorneedsfoodbadly's community rec room in Van Nuys (map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=14960+Sherman+Way,+Van+Nuys,+91405&sll=34.219512,-118.883777&sspn=0.006033,0.013754&ie=UTF8&ll=34.206656,-118.459268&spn=0.012067,0.027509&z=15&iwloc=r0))
Date: Saturday, 10/17
Time: 10:00 AM check-in, 11:00 AM begin play, tournament until 4:00 PM or 5:00 PM (no breaks for food, so bring lunch/snacks!), free play afterwards, rumours of beer and pizza later in the evening :)

Sponsors: House Mouse Games (http://www.housemousegames.com/), War Gamers HQ (http://www.wargamersheadquarters.com/category/1-heroscape/), Entertainment Earth (http://www.entertainmentearth.com/)

Attending: 27 (up to 34)
warriorneedsfoodbadly (wnfb)
Xotli
SSX
Hivelord's Pop
hextr1p
boom
King of the Marro
Oogie Da Bruce
SlikkRikk
Detrimentalman
RenMan
WukieSlap
Counterstrike
S1r Artor1us
robbdaman
BIGJIM
Xn F M
Xn F M's brother
GamerHusband
CharosInCharge
+1 from GamerHusband
udmf [via pm]
+1 from udmf [via pm]
Yaish
+1 from Yaish
AdamS [via SimiGameKnights]

Maybes:
+1 from Xn F M
Roland
+1 from Roland
another +1 from Roland
+1 from King of the Marro
another +1 from King of the Marro
Maginator


Maps:
http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=5725
Arctic Divide (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=179598&postcount=2) (Hivelord's pop) [normal snow/slippery ice]
Ticalla Sunrise (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=664576&postcount=17) (Hivelord's pop)
Can't See the Jungle (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=821319&postcount=18) (King of the Marro)
Swamp Thing (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=451058&postcount=9) (King of the Marro)
Road Rampage (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=517764&postcount=12) (boom)
Highways and Dieways (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=286804&postcount=4) (wnfb)
Arctic Divide (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=179598&postcount=2) (wnfb) [normal snow/slippery ice]
Hot Heights (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=450807&postcount=8) (wnfb)
Sidewinder (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=825808&postcount=19) (BIGJIM) [heavy snow/normal ice]
Mole Hills (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=174768&postcount=1) (WukieSlap)
Turret Rocks (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=471107&postcount=10) (WukieSlap)
Fire Isles (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=517767&postcount=13) (Detrimentalman)
Ice Blossom (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=552975&postcount=14) (Detrimentalman) [normal snow/slippery ice]
Flash Fire (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=577584&postcount=15) (Xotli)
Turret Rocks (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=471107&postcount=10) (Yaish)
Ticalla Sunrise (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=664576&postcount=17) (Yaish)
Ruins of Pine Tree Marsh (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=428534&postcount=7) (Yaish)
Broken Skyline (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=405035&postcount=6) (hextr1p)

Rules:
Format: swiss/simple (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=11233), either 5 matches or 6 if more than 32 people, timed matches (see below), partial scoring (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=21607), dual army play (see below)
Cost: $5 per contestant for prizes and rental of space
Armies: 520pts, second army is optional, 24 spaces
Marvel: not allowed
Glyphs: not allowed
Trophies: provided by boom
Prizes: gift certs from sponsors (see above), small booster (Xotli), Thaelenk Tundra (Hivelord), Jandar's Flag Bearer (wnfb), zombies booster (boom), repainted ??? (robbdaman), 10 dice bags (BIGJIM), Agent Skahen (hextr1p), small booster (S1R_ART0R1US), Space Hulk (X n FM)
Must Bring: Your army or armies (see Dual Army Play below); army cards; dice; order markers; wound markers; special markers if appropriate
Can Bring: Snacks/drinks; a contribution to the prize table





Dual Army Play

Bring two 520 point armies: a primary army and a backup army. There can be as much overlap between the two armies as you like--that is, there can be only one unit's difference, or no units in common whatsoever, or anywhere in between.

When you receive your tournament card, record both armies. Your primary army goes in the [probably red] section; your backup army goes in the [probably blue] section. Immediately before you begin play each match of the tournament, briefly switch cards with your opponent so that you can see what army you will be playing against, and your opponent can do the same.

For the first two matches of the tournament, use your primary army; the backup army is not used at this point. Before the third game, and before each game thereafter, everyone who has lost at least two games may choose to retire their primary army and begin using their backup army. If you choose to do this, draw a line through your primary army on your tournament card. Your decision to retire your primary army is irrevocable; once you do so, your primary army is not used and you must use your backup army exclusively.

Your choice to retire your primary army is made before assigments are given for the upcoming match. Thus, you will not know either the next map you will be playing on, nor who your opponent is (or what army they will be using). Your decision is based solely on whether you feel that your primary army has performed poorly enough that you would be better off switching to your backup army.

Switching armies is entirely optional, and therefore you do not have to bring a backup army if you do not wish to. You cannot switch to your backup army unless you have lost two games. Your decision to switch must be made during one of the windows allotted for switching and at no other time. Once you switch, you cannot switch back. If you honestly don't have enough figures to field a backup army, please contact the tournament organizers and we will make every effort to help you out.


Avoiding Duplication

Duplication of Opponent: For the first match, if your randomly chosen opponent is someone that you came to the tournament with (i.e. family member or friend), tell the tournament organizers and they will arrange a switch. In later matches, you may play either someone you came with or someone you've already played. That's just the way the tourney ball bounces.

Duplication of Map: In any match, if you and your opponent have played two other matches on that map (i.e., if you have played two games on it, or your opponent has played two games on it, or you have played one game on it and your opponent has played one game on it), notify the tournament organizers and they will arrange for you to play your match on a different map.


Mistakes/Questions During Play

If you make a mistake during play in your opponent's favor, such as forgetting to use your bonding, forgetting to add a bonus for height, special powers, etc, or just moving somewhere you didn't mean to, the mistake stands. Your opponent may allow you to correct the mistake (go ahead and take the bonding turn, roll the extra die, change your move, etc), but certainly is not obliged to. It's a tournament. Strict rules apply.

If you make a mistake during play in your own favor and your opponent catches you, you must immediately reverse the mistake (reroll all your dice if you rolled too many, return to your starting point if your move was illegal, etc). If your opponent doesn't catch the mistake until after s/he begins his/her next turn, the mistake stands.

Try to insure that all your dice are rolled on a flat surface. If any of your dice are "cocked" (i.e. not lying flat) or roll off the table, you must reroll all of them. (Again, your opponent can show mercy on you at his/her option.)

If your figure won't fit, it can't stop there. Period. No "it mostly fits," no "it's almost flat on the board," no "stinger denial is so cheesy." Sorry. (Again, your opponent can be nice to you.)

If you and your opponent disagree as to line of sight, just roll off with the d20's. No need to make a big deal about it.

If you or your opponent has a rules question or clarification that you can't settle between you, solicit the opinions of other players until you find 2 others in agreement, then take that as a final decision. To be clear: once you find 2 other people who agree with each other--regardless of whether or not they agree with you--stop asking. Feel free to start with the tournament organizers; many of them are very knowledgeable about the game, the official Hasbro FAQ, and the rules discussions at Heroscapers.com.


Time Limit Per Match

At the beginning of each match, the tournament organizers will announce the start of the match. After 45 minutes, the tournmanet organizers will call time. At this time, finish the current round that you and your opponent are playing. For instance, if you just started the round, play all 3 turns. If you are currently just finishing turn 3, that will be the end of your game.

After the match is complete, score the game according the partial scoring (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=21607) rules.

[Xotli]

Excellent!

Okay, SSX and I are in as a definite. I can contribute one small booster to the prize table. I really would rather not bring maps because a) I suck at anything to do with maps, including gathering all the tiles up for building one, and b) I suck at getting places early, which would be necessary for people bringing maps. But if there's anything else we need--I have a whiteboard, I have a small folding table (not big enough for a map, probably, but possibly useful for something else)--just let me know.

I could possibly bring some beer as well. Would it be okay to stash the beer in the fridge until after the tournament, that sort of thing? That way it'd be nice and frosty by the time the tourney was over ... mmmm .... frosty brewskis .... mmm ...

What was I saying? Oh, yeah, need to settle on tourney style and all that. Mainly I just need to know how many points so I can to work on designing my killer armies. :twisted:

(Which I will undoubtedly play horribly, but what the hey. :D)

[hivelord]

The pop and I are down so far. As for tournament style, I say 520 pts, five rounds. Rank winners by W/L ratio then strength of schedule, then points remaining if necessary. I can bring one to two maps if you need them and I will try to donate something for the prize table, though I'm not yet sure what. Its always a good day so I'm looking forward to it. I'll be sure to alert my crew by the way. I'll tell you if any of them can make it. I suggest keeping a running total of attendees, contributions, etc.

[hextr1p]

I'm in.

And however the majority wants to play is fine with me. Just coming for yet another good time with the SoCal'ers.

[boom]

I'm there, G. I'm bringing trophies and a prize for the prize table. I'll wait on ordering the trophies until the actual format is decided, but I'm thinking of getting them for the top two and the bottom (vanguard?) player.

I can handle a couple of maps and I have tables if we need more.

We probably should keep a tally of players making it in the first post and then throw up the format, maps and other necessary info ans its decided on. Looking forward to it.

Oh, and we gotta change the name of the thread to the "SoCal Slaughter." It will be our 3rd year running with that title.;)

[Xotli]

We probably should keep a tally of players making it in the first post and then throw up the format, maps and other necessary info ans its decided on. Looking forward to it.

Oh, and we gotta change the name of the thread to the "SoCal Slaughter." It will be our 3rd year running with that title.;)

Done and done. :)

[King of the Marro]

I'll be going and bringing 2-3 maps. I'm voting for a 520-540 point total.

[Xn F M]

My brother and I are in. And I might have one more guy that isn't on the boards.

If any other SD scapers want to carpool up I can seat one (or maybe two) more people comfortably.

Could we have a 10:00 start time so that we don't have to leave too early. (Google estimates that the trip will take 2.5 hours without traffic)

[hextr1p]

Could we have a 10:00 start time so that we don't have to leave too early.
A later start time would be rather cool for me, too. If need be, I'll make it there by 8'am'ish... but would rather not have to leave my place by 5'am. ;)

[Xotli]

Updated with all the details we have so far.

Some things we should be able to settle fairly quickly:

Is Marvel allowed? Personally I vote yes (as always). C'mon people: don't be afraid of the Marvel! :)

Do people have to play the same army every round? I'm assuming so, although certainly it would be interesting if you didn't. Like wouldn't it be awesome if you could bring 2 or 3 armies, and then at the beginning of a round (meaning a round of the tournament, obviously, not each round of the game), you and your opponent roll off, loser has to choose their army first. That way loser can pick a good army for the map, and winner can pick a good army given the map and some intelligence on the army of the opponent. Or both players could write down their choices once the map is known and then reveal them simultaneously, if we didn't want to have that extra intellignece. Or, roll off the first round, then, in subsequent rounds, the person with more wins (roll off for ties) has to choose first, giving a slight advantage to the people who are currently behind. Just some thoughts.

Points. I like the 520, which is becoming sort of standard for us. But 540 could be interesting too. Or 550, or even 560 ... I dunno about more than that. Some people do 600, so I hear. Seems high to me. Likewise, I know 500 is popular in some quarters, but I really like the extra flexibility of going to 520 at least. But I'm already starting to playtest some armies, so I need to know what you guys want to do for points. :)

What say you guys?

[Samurai]

Count me in, however there is a tiny chance that i will not be able to make it. 520pts sounds good, and i am not in favour of the Marvel.

[King of the Marro]

I say no marvel. Making it:
Yes (1)
No (2)

Also I have 2 maybes.

[Xn F M]

Points. I like the 520, which is becoming sort of standard for us. But 540 could be interesting too. Or 550, or even 560 ... I dunno about more than that. Some people do 600, so I hear. Seems high to me. Likewise, I know 500 is popular in some quarters, but I really like the extra flexibility of going to 520 at least. But I'm already starting to playtest some armies, so I need to know what you guys want to do for points. :)

As far as points go I'd be cool with anything from 400 to 550, (well, 300 could be fun too).

I'd be okay with Marvel as long as we're keeping things under 500 points. If have to play against SS or Hulk + Kelda, I dont' want to see much else in that army.

[warriorneedsfoodbadly]

I'm fine with 520 points but against Marvel. I've never played them and don't know anyone that owns them.
I don't know about the number of armies though, that could be interesting.
Should we use the same maps from last year?

[Xn F M]

Should we use the same maps from last year?

I'd say no to at least some of them. Ember Canyon Road was pretty unpopular if I remember correctly, melee armies stood no chance and range vs range battles degenerate into: OM1 climb hill and shoot, OM2 shoot, OM3 gfo, repeat.

I personally wasn't a fan of Embattled Fen. If we use glyphs this year I wouldn't be opposed to seeing it, but when you're playing without the glyphs that map is all about the choke point on the "embattled" side and not very fun to play.

But I suppose the maps we'll see will mostly be chosen by the poeple that bring them.

[hivelord]

Should we use the same maps from last year?

I'd say no to at least some of them. Ember Canyon Road was pretty unpopular if I remember correctly, melee armies stood no chance and range vs range battles degenerate into: OM1 climb hill and shoot, OM2 shoot, OM3 gfo, repeat.

I personally wasn't a fan of Embattled Fen. If we use glyphs this year I wouldn't be opposed to seeing it, but when you're playing without the glyphs that map is all about the choke point on the "embattled" side and not very fun to play.

But I suppose the maps we'll see will mostly be chosen by the poeple that bring them.

Firstly, I say no marvel and 520. And I don't like either of those maps myself. I can bring Ticalla sunrise or Swamp thing. And I'm a fan of Highways and Dieways and Badru Valley if anyone wants to bring those.

[Oogie_Da_Bruce]

I'll be there.

[King of the Marro]

I'll bring Highways and Dieways and Badru Valley.

[Roland]

Myself +2 as a maybe.

[boom]

500 to 520 sounds just fine to me and I could do without Marvel, sorry X.:(

I'll decide on what maps to bring. Man, I loved Ember Canyon but I won't do that to you Xn.

[Xotli]

Fine, fine, no Marvel. :p I've never understood why people are always so against it, but that's fine. I probably wouldn't have used any Marvel figs anyways, I just always feel weird discriminating against them. It's the way Cap looks at me, I think. I feel unpatriotic or something. :)

I'd say no to at least some of them. Ember Canyon Road was pretty unpopular if I remember correctly, ...

Oh, Ghod yes, I despise that map.

But I suppose the maps we'll see will mostly be chosen by the poeple that bring them.

Well, I think that on account of it being an official tournament type event people should have the right to give input on the maps.

Leaning more and more towards 520pts, it looks like ... I'll update the first post again.

EDIT: Done. Hivelord, I put you down for Ticalla Sunrise. Roland, did you mean you and your +2 are a maybe, or you're a definite and your +2 are maybes (I assumed the former)?

[boom]

Not bad. We're up to 18 possibles, but I'm sure we really are over 20. The Simi Knights haven't chimed in yet, including Runehardt, so that should be about another 4 or so there. There's also some SoCal regulars that have been conspicuously absent. Here's hoping they drop in soon.

Looks like its going to be good. I'll peruse the tournie map threads and pick one or two.

[Xn F M]

500 to 520 sounds just fine to me and I could do without Marvel, sorry X.:(

I'll decide on what maps to bring. Man, I loved Ember Canyon but I won't do that to you Xn.

Well, I never played on that map. I just remember hearing a bit of complaining from other players. Embatled Fen however is a personal complaint. Some maps just need the glyphs.

Am I correct in assuming that there will be no glyphs this year? And are we final on 520?

[hivelord]

Am I correct in assuming that there will be no glyphs this year? And are we final on 520?

I am neutral on glyphs, so either way.

[warriorneedsfoodbadly]

I think the glyphs could be decided by those playing each game, unless it slows things up too much. The picking of the glyphs should be random and preferably placed by a third party. Kind of complicated. Maybe they can wait for post tournament play?

[Xn F M]

I think the glyphs could be decided by those playing each game, unless it slows things up too much. The picking of the glyphs should be random and preferably placed by a third party. Kind of complicated. Maybe they can wait for post tournament play?

The only problem with that is that the presence of glyphs affects army construction. Eldgrim, Rats, Marcu, and a few others all go up in value when there are glyphs in play. I'd say we should decide beforehand whether or not glyphs will be used on all maps thoughout the day; keeping them fixed on maps where they're fixed and using the gencon pool for maps with random glyphs.

But either way is cool by me, I'd just like to know before I start playtesting.

Edit: I know it's early but I just checked the first post and we're shot ~5 maps to cover the "confirmed" players. Do we have any more volunteers for maps? If we get in a pinch I could supply a few, but with the long drive I might not be the best person to bring stuff.

Edit: I can bring up some stuff to add to the prize table.

[King of the Marro]

I might be able to bring three. I'll have to check sometime soon.

[SlikkRikk]

I'm in -- thanks for hosting/running the thing guys.

Also, you should perhaps change the title of the thread to have National Heroscape Day in it, so folks won't have trouble.

Looking forward to seeing you all!

[Xotli]

The only problem with that is that the presence of glyphs affects army construction. Eldgrim, Rats, Marcu, and a few others all go up in value when there are glyphs in play. I'd say we should decide beforehand whether or not glyphs will be used on all maps thoughout the day; keeping them fixed on maps where they're fixed and using the gencon pool for maps with random glyphs.

Yeah, unfortunately I think we have to decide on glyphs beforehand. As much fun as I think they can be, they do complicate things a bit. Maybe we should forego, just for the tournament.

Edit: I can bring up some stuff to add to the prize table.

Hey, good call. I had forgot to add that into the details. Done now.

Also, I added a line for contribution/cost ... hey, warriorneedsfoodbadly, is there a cost to you that we need to chip in to help you cover? or anything else we need to chip in for?

I'm in -- thanks for hosting/running the thing guys.

Also, you should perhaps change the title of the thread to have National Heroscape Day in it, so folks won't have trouble.

Done and done. (Although it's in the "National Heroscape Day" subforum, so hopefully that'll be a clue too. :D)

[Xn F M]

The prize support thread is up. (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=26750#post909605)

Which brings up an interesting point. Do we know who's running the event this year? And for that matter will we be using the same scoring methods as last year?

[boom]

I got the impression WNFB would prefer if someone else do the actual "organizing and running" of the event. I did last years and would love to have someone else take the helm this year. It would only involve keeping this thread updated (like Xotli is doing), posting our info in the prize support thread (like Xotli could do), stump for prize support from other places (which I could help with, if needed), liaison with WNFB about tables, space, etc., and generally advertise, recruit and highlight the event leading up to the date (hey, Xotli's doing that to).

So, does anyone want to step up and do it? If not, how about nominations? I think I have someone in mind ;).

[warriorneedsfoodbadly]

I'm good with the same scoring method from last year and would be happy to officially host but don't know how good a job I'd do since last year's event was my only tournament experience.
Speaking of which, I'll donate the flag bearer I won then (Jandar).
I don't know about recruiting and advertising.
Entertainment Earth is nearby so I could hit them up for a donation.
I'll add us to the donation list thread.
I think we are missing word from a number of people that could at least give us a "no" or "maybe" without committing to NHSD.

[JuicerGM]

I have made arrangements and I will be able to make it.

[robbdaman]

If I can make it I'll work up some repaints again. Trying to figure things out.

[WukieSlap]

I'd love to attend and bring my buddy and my fiance'. I think it would just be and my friend playing in the tournament though. If you're a San Diego 'scaper, we'd love to have you come test your army at our first heroscape game night at Game Empire in Clairmonte Mesa. Its Sept. 27th at 4pm. If we get a little group going it will probably end up being twice a month. PM me with any questions.

[Detrimentalman]

I'll be there. I will read through this and comment soon. School started and first few days are always crazy.

[King of the Marro]

I just realized Badru Valley used two RttFF's so I can't build that and Highways and Dieways.

[RenMan]

I'll be there. I'm not particular regarding the format or parameters of the tournament. Just let me know how it's all going to shake out before hand so I can build the right sized army.

[boom]

Okay folks, it looks like all our info from the past 6 days is gone for good, including all the updates WNFB and Xotli had added to the front page.

Bummer, but we'll press on. We were discussing format and calling the maps we were bringing. We'll just have to repost some info and give rep again to all the folks we did over the past 6 days that lost it.

For page 1, I'm bringing a prize and trophies. The name of the map I'm bringing escapes me, but I'll post it again as soon as I check the thread.

Report your info, people.

[King of the Marro]

I'm not bringing Badru Valley but Can't See The Jungle instead and possibly Ticalla Sunrise.

[warriorneedsfoodbadly]

We were discussing repaints and who could piece together what maps,
preferably no duplicates.
Also, I favored multiple armies to avoid boredom after 5 games, to adjust to the new map and just in case someone studied your army and had time to create a strategy to counter it.
Let's hope these new posts don't vanish into the ether!
Please re-post your "yes"'s, "no"'s or "maybe"'s on attendance.

[King of the Marro]

I can bring Flashfire also.

[robbdaman]

Ouch, I knew the board was down but didn't know we'd lost anything.

I was just confirming my going and talking about doing some painting for prizes. I should probably start figuring out what soon so I have time to paint them.

[boom]

I can bring Flashfire also.

I think Flashfire was the one I originally offered, but if you can do that also then I'll bring Road Rampage instead.

[BIGJIM]

alright gents I am in! Computer is down and out for now so I am using my PSP at this time. I am down with bring a prize and bring a map. It takes forever on the PSP so i'll let BOOM know more and post it for me till my is up and runing. Looking forward to gameday too see some of you , for it has been awhile!!!

[WukieSlap]

Im coming with a +1 and i'd be happy to bring a map. I've got 3 Rotv, 1 SotM, 3 FotAA, 1 RttF, so let me know which map you'd like me to brign.

[Xotli]

Okay folks, it looks like all our info from the past 6 days is gone for good, including all the updates WNFB and Xotli had added to the front page.
:
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Report your info, people.

Okay, I've recreated what I can remember, and included all the reposts people have made. The main things I can recall there being there that no one has reposted yet:


Someone had previously agreed to bring Badru Valley. All the other previously agreed on maps are back up, although I can't be sure they're back to the same person who originally volunteered them. But I had gone through and linked them all to their BoV post, so I know exactly which ones were up there before. :)
I know there were 21 people as definites. I've left the number at 22 ('cause BIGJIM hadn't responded previously), even though I could only remember the people that already reposted, so that wasn't helpful. But basically there's 3 more people that said they were definitely coming that we don't have back up yet.
Someone said they definitely weren't coming, and I didn't think anything of it at the time, but going back through the maybe's tonight I think it might have been Samurai ... is that right? If so, our count should be 22/28 instead of 22/29.


I've also relinked our maps, and filled out with blanks again so we know exactly how many maps we need to fill out the tournament. Things I can see that we still need to work out:


Will we be using partial scoring for the tournament? I assume so, as we did last year, but we should decide. If so, is there an updated version of the partial scoring sheets that includes Wave 9? Also if so, who's printing out and bringing the scoring sheets? (Could easily be me.)
For all maps that include TT, I'd like to see us decide whether it's heavy snow and/or slippery ice. It's the one thing that always seems to trip us up when we sit down to play. (Well, that and "where are the starting zones on this map??")
The ever-popular "how many armies" discussion. Do I need to recompose my eloquent case for multiple armies? :D
We should fill out the missing maps. There are 19 BoV maps, and we kicked out 2 of them, leaving 17 ... we should have enough to avoid all dups if the terrain is spread around just right. (Suggestion for WukieSlap: How about Swamp Thing (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=451058&postcount=9)?)


Everyone let me know if they see anything I've missed.

[warriorneedsfoodbadly]

I remember samurai bowing out, also. I've removed him from list.
I remember WreakLoosE saying he was coming but can't remember if he mentioned his son? I've added WreakLoosE to the list.
No one has the partial scoring lists from last year?
I can print out the ones from the link posted but don't know about wave 9.

[boom]

Counterstrike had also said he was coming.

I have the partial scoring lists from last year (I'll add wave 9) as well as the sheets we gave to each player to keep track of their games/scores. Would you like me to bring about 30 of those?

Good job on getting our info back up, men.

I say yes on heavy snow and slippery ice, only becaue what's the point in using that particular terrain if not? I'll add that I hate heavy snow and slippery ice, but I figure we should play it as intended.

[Xn F M]

(Well, that and "where are the starting zones on this map??")

Can I suggest that everyone bringing a map that where the start zones are something other than, "that 24 hexer on the end," bring the build instructions so that we can have it on the table with the map?

[boom]

(Well, that and "where are the starting zones on this map??")

Can I suggest that everyone bringing a map that where the start zones are something other than, "that 24 hexer on the end," bring the build instructions so that we can have it on the table with the map?

Seconded.

Oh, and the other missing player was S1r Artor1us, right?

[robbdaman]

Oh, and the other missing player was S1r Artor1us, right?

Hex said he'll be carpooling with us, we're picking him up along the way in Santa Barbara from what I understand. So yes, count him in too.

[SlikkRikk]

Looking forward to Heroscape and seeing you guys again. I'll bring a box o' games for afterward if any are interested.

[Xotli]

Okay, I checked Google's cached page for the front post, as per a very clever suggestion from GaryLASQ. It's from 9/3, and it tells me the following things we didn't have before:


Wreak LoosE is one of our missing 3. Except that wnfb already beat me to that one, so, bummer.
Maginator was a maybe. And I guess Samurai was already removed, so we're back up to 22/29 again.
Original map allocations: KotM had said he was bringing Badru Valley, and boom was bringing Flash Fire. But now KotM is bringing Flash Fire, and boom is bringing Road Rampage. So Badru Valley is free again. Unless, KotM can bring that instead of Ticalla Sunrise, then Hivelord can bring TS. Whichever.


I remember WreakLoosE saying he was coming but can't remember if he mentioned his son? I've added WreakLoosE to the list.

His son wasn't on the list in the Google cached version, but that may have been an oversight on my part (I had added him to the list originally). I can't find a Google cached version of his post from this year, so I guess we'll just have to wait until he clarifies for us.

No one has the partial scoring lists from last year?

The actual paper? Nah, I'm sure those got lost in the shuffle in the intervening year.

I can print out the ones from the link posted but don't know about wave 9.

Yeah, I think getting Wave 9 added is the tricky bit. Several of us could do the printing.

Counterstrike had also said he was coming.

Yes! Good memory. Added.

I have the partial scoring lists from last year (I'll add wave 9) as well as the sheets we gave to each player to keep track of their games/scores. Would you like me to bring about 30 of those?

Excellent about the adding Wave 9. AFA printing them out, you can do it, or I could ... are those color-coded? I thought I vaguely remembered that they were. If so, I have a color laser, if that's in any way helpful. Or in any way helpful for anything else.

Good job on getting our info back up, men.

Good job yourself! A lot of the info I stuck back up there came directly from you, so, thanx!

I say yes on heavy snow and slippery ice, only becaue what's the point in using that particular terrain if not? I'll add that I hate heavy snow and slippery ice, but I figure we should play it as intended.

My vote in general is regular snow, slippery ice. I always vote for slippery ice, because there's never so much of it that it makes that much difference. Now, snow is different: some maps have so much snow that half the map would be heavy snow and that would just suck. However, re-looking at Arctic Divide, I see that it doesn't have that much snow, really, so I guess I vote heavy snow on that one as well. (I changed the notation on the map on the front post, but left the ??? to indicate that it's still open for discussion if anyone wants to chime in with a disagreement.)

Also, I'd like to point out that heavy snow/slippery ice and lava make for excellent uses of multiple armies ... imagine having one army with the Yeti's just for arctic maps, or having two variants on orc armies--one with Nerak. Also, Brunak and the OG's could get some love. Just more thoughts on multiple armies ... ;)

Can I suggest that everyone bringing a map that where the start zones are something other than, "that 24 hexer on the end," bring the build instructions so that we can have it on the table with the map?

Seconded.

Abso-friggin-tively. That should be a requirement. In fact, I've just added it to the front page (both under Maps and Must Bring).

Oh, and the other missing player was S1r Artor1us, right?

Oh, boom, you ARE da man! Added. Our confirmed/maybe counts are dead on again.

Okay, gotta head back out to the pool ... I think we're mostly good again. Also, I have a few feelers out for some friends of SSX to bring in, but nothing even definite enough to be called a "maybe" yet. We shall see. Thanx all for the assists in getting the front page back up to snuff!

[boom]

Original map allocations: KotM had said he was bringing Badru Valley, and boom was bringing Flash Fire. But now KotM is bringing Flash Fire, and boom is bringing Road Rampage. So Badru Valley is free again. Unless, KotM can bring that instead of Ticalla Sunrise, then Hivelord can bring TS. Whichever.


Okay........wait..........what?

Who's on first?

:lol:

[King of the Marro]

Here's what I have.
2 RotV minus one ruin (that's what Craigslist for $10 gets you)
1 SotM
2 FottA
3 TJ
3 RttFF
2 TT
2 VW

I'll bring whatever maps you want (Except Broken Skyline).

[BIGJIM]

I will bring the map called " SIDE WINDER" wHich has ice, snow and other diffent terrain! And the prize I will let you know ASAP.

[Xotli]

I will bring the map called " SIDE WINDER" wHich has ice, snow and other diffent terrain! And the prize I will let you know ASAP.

Yep, Sidewinder is a good one. I vote heavy snow and slippery ice on that one as well (it has even less snow than Arctic Divide, I'd say). Added.


Original map allocations: KotM had said he was bringing Badru Valley, and boom was bringing Flash Fire. But now KotM is bringing Flash Fire, and boom is bringing Road Rampage. So Badru Valley is free again. Unless, KotM can bring that instead of Ticalla Sunrise, then Hivelord can bring TS. Whichever.


Okay........wait..........what?

Who's on first?

:lol:

Here's what I have.
2 RotV minus one ruin (that's what Craigslist for $10 gets you)
1 SotM
2 FottA
3 TJ
3 RttFF
2 TT
2 VW

I'll bring whatever maps you want (Except Broken Skyline).

Yeah, the map stuff can get pretty confusing. I actually just went and made a spreadsheet for it (yes, that's how big a geek I actually am :D), but I can't actually work out how to make good recommendations for what people should bring without knowing just a bit more info ... Hivelord, can you remind me what sets you have? I believe you said 1 RotV and 1 SotM and misc expansions ... can you firm that up for me? And if anyone else who wants to bring a map but hasn't yet decided which one wants me to give them a recommendation, just let me know what you've got in a format just like KotM did above and I'll let you know what you can build that we still need.

The problem, as Hivelord hinted in a previous post (which I guess is one of those that got gone) is that there just aren't enough BoV maps that use SotM. Not that there's much that can be done about that unless we're willing to go outside the BoV area for maps, but that gets into sticky territory ... I'm guessing we'll go for duplicates before we drift outside the BoV.

OH! and KotM: why not Broken Skyline? Are you voting against having that map at all?

[warriorneedsfoodbadly]

Wow, great job everyone!
Way to pull together on getting the front post restored.
Thank you boom for volunteering to get the partial points charts.
Thank you Xotli for organizing the information.
I'll pm RenMan for his terrain list.
I'm for double point snow/ice to make it a more distinct experience.

[Xn F M]

My vote in general is regular snow, slippery ice. I always vote for slippery ice, because there's never so much of it that it makes that much difference. Now, snow is different: some maps have so much snow that half the map would be heavy snow and that would just suck. However, re-looking at Arctic Divide, I see that it doesn't have that much snow, really, so I guess I vote heavy snow on that one as well. (I changed the notation on the map on the front post, but left the ??? to indicate that it's still open for discussion if anyone wants to chime in with a disagreement.)

Don't most of the BoV maps have recomendations in the build instructions as to whether you're supposed to be using heavy snow and/or slippy ice? It was my understanding that many of the BoV maps reccomend using heavy snow and normal ice to help keep range on ground level as melee approaches. And if the info is in the instructions, and people actually bring them we shouldn't have any problems (with the possable exception of small children)

I'll look into this today and see if I can get some better info. I *should* be able to get this done by the end of lunch.

Edit: Alright, I've done a bit of searching, and of the three TT BoV maps, only Sidewinder has specific instructions on ice and snow (normal/heavy). The other two maps have no specific recomendations. There are reccomendations for Slippery Ice and Normal Snow for Arctic Divide in the BoV thread and I didn't find anything on Ice Blossom (truth be told, I didn't go back too far). I'm half inclined to suggest normal snow and ice on Divide and Blossom to speed things up. I think we should keep the heavy snow on Sidewinder as that's the way the map was designed to be played.

[hivelord]

I have 1 RotV, 1 SotM, 2 FotA, 2 TT, and one of everything else.

[boom]

More info for the first post:

WargamersHQ is on board and will provide support.

Housemouse Games is on board and will provide support.

Standing by for one more response.

[BIGJIM]

More info for the first post:

WargamersHQ is on board and will provide support.

Housemouse Games is on board and will provide support.

Standing by for one more response.

Great news! Hats off too both of them and thoses putting this together!

[Detrimentalman]

Well I posted before, but maybe it didn't go through or something.

I'll do 2 maps of whatever maybe more if we need them.

[warriorneedsfoodbadly]

Entertainment Earth will donate a $20 gift certificate!

[SlikkRikk]

Thanks so much to those providing support and also those organizing it to happen. You guys are great.

[Xotli]

Don't most of the BoV maps have recomendations in the build instructions as to whether you're supposed to be using heavy snow and/or slippy ice?

That hasn't been my experience. :?

It was my understanding that many of the BoV maps reccomend using heavy snow and normal ice to help keep range on ground level as melee approaches.

See, that just seems backwards to me. I mean, I get the rationale, it just seems like both from a practical standpoint (there's a lot more snow tiles than ice tiles) and a realism standpoint (it's far more often I have to slow down for ice than for snow) it should be the other way around. But I'm down either way.

Alright, I've done a bit of searching, and of the three TT BoV maps, only Sidewinder has specific instructions on ice and snow (normal/heavy).

Fine. I'll change that one on the front page and remove the ??? to indicate that this is a settled issue.

The other two maps have no specific recomendations. There are reccomendations for Slippery Ice and Normal Snow for Arctic Divide in the BoV thread ...

Well, that was my original suggestion, so I'm certainly in agreement with that. I'll change it in the front post, but leave the ??? so others can chime in.

... and I didn't find anything on Ice Blossom (truth be told, I didn't go back too far). I'm half inclined to suggest normal snow and ice on Divide and Blossom to speed things up.

Ah, but that's boring. :D Besides, particularly with the way Ice Blossom is set up, the ice is acting very similarly to water in the middle there, forcing people to make tough choices about whether to stay in their little snow zone or cross the ice to a different one. I say normal snow/slippery ice on this one as well. (Not that we have anyone bringing this map yet. But I'm sure we will, because we'll need nearly all the BoV maps.)

I have 1 RotV, 1 SotM, 2 FotA, 2 TT, and one of everything else.

Gotcha.

Well, with Embattled Fen out, we're really constrained by only having two possible BoV maps with SotM. There's just no way to get 5 maps out the two sets of terrain that you (Hivelord) and KotM have without dups. To maximize terrain usage, I suppose I recommend that Hivelord bring Arctic Divide and Ticalla Sunrise (as he originally said), and then have KotM bring Can't See the Jungle and Swamp Thing. This leaves Flash Fire up for grabs again (or boom could take that back and Road Rampage can be up for grabs, whichever works out better). Now, if we either run out of viable BoV maps and have to double up, or run out of map-building volunteers and need to double up, then you can both bring Ticalla Sunrise and we'll call it a day. But let's hold off on that.

I'm assuming no one has any issues with this, so I'll update the front page with that plan.

More info for the first post:

WargamersHQ is on board and will provide support.

Housemouse Games is on board and will provide support.

Woohoo!!

Well I posted before, but maybe it didn't go through or something.

Actually, we had a week's worth of posts disappear, so that's probably what happened to it.

I'll do 2 maps of whatever maybe more if we need them.

Excellent. If you want to send me what sets you have, I can make some suggestions for you as to what we still need. Or you can poke around the BoV thread on your own (it's linked from the top post of this thread) if you'd rather.

Entertainment Earth will donate a $20 gift certificate!

Awesome ... I don't even know who that is. :D But I guess that's part of the reason they want to support us, eh? ;) I've put links to HouseMouse and War Gamers HQ on the front page, so you should probably add a link for Entertainment Earth as well. If these folks are giving us prizes, we should pimp them out as much as possible. :D

Looking real good guys!

[JuicerGM]

I will also bringing my 4 MS 2 SOM 3 RTTFF 2VW 2 TT 2 AJ sets too so if we have any other needs we will be covered

[BIGJIM]

This is really starting to shape up to be one heck of a game day! As for the prize I have so far to donate is 10 dice bags......2 blue & gold, 2 black & silver ,2 red & gold ,2 wine & gold and 2 flax leather. The two tone bags are velour with the second color being the inside color.

[Detrimentalman]

4masters 2 sotm uh 3rtff 2 snow 3 jungle 2 lava

[Xotli]

Crap ... looks like I forgot to hit the submit button on my post last night ... let me try to recreate it:

I will also bringing my 4 MS 2 SOM 3 RTTFF 2VW 2 TT 2 AJ sets too so if we have any other needs we will be covered

Got it. Can you plan on building Hot Heights (link in the top post)? And then we'll hold the remainder of your terrain as emergency coverage. Thanx!

This is really starting to shape up to be one heck of a game day! As for the prize I have so far to donate is 10 dice bags......2 blue & gold, 2 black & silver ,2 red & gold ,2 wine & gold and 2 flax leather. The two tone bags are velour with the second color being the inside color.

Awesome! Added.

4masters 2 sotm uh 3rtff 2 snow 3 jungle 2 lava

Excellent. Okay, I think you should bring Fire Isles and Ice Blossom (linked from the top post). So, at this point, we have all the possible TT and VW maps covered, so that's nice.

Top post updated again (last night, actually), so let me know if you see any issues. Oh, and as it sounds like we're definitely doing partial scoring, I took off the ??? from that part: we're very close to having all our ???s removed! Rock on.

[hextr1p]

Quick note: I'm bringing a new Agent Skahen with card for the prize table.

[hivelord]

Quick note: I'm bringing a new Agent Skahen with card for the prize table.

Didn't we all win one of those last year? ;-)

[hextr1p]

Didn't we all win one of those last year? ;-)
Yeah, true. There were what? Like, 3,345,248 Skahen figs on the prize table at least years tournament? Heh heh... but you never know who may still need one.

Also, added this image to the first post, to make us all shiney n' stuff:

http://www.heroscapers.com/community/gallery/files/1/0/socal_slaughter_09_header.jpg

[boom]

Nice hex. We all need something smaller like that for our sig lines, like a SoCal League banner or something. That's great.

[robbdaman]

I think hex should make us all individual tags for our sigs. :p

[hextr1p]

I think hex should make us all individual tags for our sigs. :p
Now you're just talking crazy.

[robbdaman]

I think hex should make us all individual tags for our sigs. :p
Now you're just talking crazy.

How is this different than normal? ;) :screwy::nkick:

[hextr1p]

How is this different than normal? ;) :screwy::nkick:

Touché.

[Xn F M]

My brother and I need to be dropped down onto the "maybe" list. I was just offered a second job (that I really needed) and the company I'll be working for doesn't allow time off reqests in October.

[BIGJIM]

It would be cool to see pins, stickers or even a shirt with that So Cal logo on it. I have my shirt from 2 years ago , just need to change the date and year . ( if it still fits!) .

[robbdaman]

It would be cool to see pins, stickers or even a shirt with that So Cal logo on it. I have my shirt from 2 years ago , just need to change the date and year . ( if it still fits!) .

Heh, have you become BiggerJim since then?

It's a good thought. I wonder if there is time enough to make a T-shirt for the event happen? Hex or anyone else have any thoughts, or have connections for screen printers?

[Xotli]

Quick note: I'm bringing a new Agent Skahen with card for the prize table.

Sounds good!

Didn't we all win one of those last year? ;-)

One? SSX and I refer to last year's NHSD as "Three Bunjee Day." ;)

Also, added this image to the first post, to make us all shiney n' stuff:

Awesome! We should put that on name tags or somesuch. I could prolly print out something like that .... maybe ... maybe I can find some tags at Office Depot or somethin'. Hmmmm ...

My brother and I need to be dropped down onto the "maybe" list. I was just offered a second job (that I really needed) and the company I'll be working for doesn't allow time off reqests in October.

Well, bummer that you might not be able to make it, but congrats on finding extra work. Maybe something will work out and you'll have that day off anyway.


Okay, people! Just about a month left now. Time to zap all those remaining ??? markers. Ignoring the mystery contributions to the prize table (those can certainly be a surprise if people like), we only have 3 sets:


We still have to decide on whether to keep the tradition of 1 army the whole day, or take my suggestion of 2-3 armies that you choose (via some method) at the beginning of the tournament round. There has been both some support and some opposition to the multiple army idea. Let's hear from more people.
We need to settle the question of heavy snow/slippery ice for both Arctic Divide and Ice Blossom. Normal snow/slippery ice has been proposed for Arctic Divide with (AFAIK) no opposition; the same has been proposed for Ice Blossom with some potential opposition. Anyone want to weigh in on these?
We still need a few more maps. I've made spaces for 14, because we have up to 29 people coming. Of course, if none of our maybes show up, then we only need 10, but that seems unlikely. Heck, we still have a few people that haven't chimed in, so the numbers could theoretically swell even further. Doesn't anyone else want to step up?


And, once we settle all that, we're done. :)

[hextr1p]

It would be cool to see pins, stickers or even a shirt with that So Cal logo on it.
I'll work on getting a shirt done and made available through either Zazzle.com or CafePress.com. That way, those who want to order it can do so. Maybe even have one or two available on the prize table.

Awesome! We should put that on name tags or somesuch. I could prolly print out something like that .... maybe ...
If you are going to print nametags out onto an Avery label template or something similar, don't use the image above. Only because it isn't a print quality image. I can set something up to work as a nametag using the same imagery and textures.

[warriorneedsfoodbadly]

Excellent work! I'm sure everyone's stoked to see the final products!

[hextr1p]

Excellent work! I'm sure everyone's stoked to see the final products!
A quick note to let folks know I won't be using the Valkyrie icons in the t-shirt design (copyrights and all), but it'll still look pretty sick. :)

Shirts should be done by middle of next week, and I'll post the link as soon as they're available.

[S1R_ART0R1US]

I'll bring a small booster to the prize table to mitigate the ???s.

I vote for one army as it simplifies things.

It's kind of hard to make an army when over 80% of your figures are an 7.5 hour drive away, and there is only one common squad (x3) with you. :razz:

[robbdaman]

A quick note to let folks know I won't be using the Valkyrie icons in the t-shirt design (copyrights and all), but it'll still look pretty sick. :)

Really? I wouldn't think it would be a big deal what with this not being for profit, considering lots of people use the symbols in for profit items they sell like custom figs and all. Maybe if you were going to sell them for the general masses but what equates to maybe a dozen or so shirts it seems silly.

[hextr1p]

Really? I wouldn't think it would be a big deal what with this not being for profit, considering lots of people use the symbols in for profit items they sell like custom figs and all. Maybe if you were going to sell them for the general masses but what equates to maybe a dozen or so shirts it seems silly.
The site I'm going to use to have the shirts made available to folks(Zazzle.com) has a copyright policy. Essentially, if images you're using in your design are copyrighted/licensed/trademarked, don't use them. Which is pretty much a rule of thumb in all that I do. Especially in this instance. Will I be making money off of this? No. But people do have to pay money to Zazzle.com if they want a shirt. So technically someone is profiting off of this, and therefore would be infringement. While the design may not be as cool without them, it'll still be pretty cool. :p

[BIGJIM]

Great news on the shirt! What will the color of the shirt be and do either site offer a big man size [ 2 XLT ]

[robbdaman]

Well I'm sure it'll look cool but IMO Zazzle sucks then. :p

[Detrimentalman]

I didn't know we were still debating the number of armies.
Single-
I believe that multiple armies just makes things more difficult for the average player. If you don't play often or don't have all the rules/stats memorized then juggling a few armies you don't know very well is hard to do successfully. It would be better for people to bring one army that they've at least played once or twice and they know inside and out. Thats my two cents anyhow.

[hextr1p]

Great news on the shirt! What will the color of the shirt be and do either site offer a big man size [ 2 XLT ]
There will be a few different color options. Though once I start designing the shirt, I obviously need to decide which color the design will transfer best to... but haven't really had time to think about that, yet. And yes, some of these sizes even go up to 3XL. Though I'm not sure if there are tall sizes.

[Xotli]

If you are going to print nametags out onto an Avery label template or something similar, don't use the image above. Only because it isn't a print quality image. I can set something up to work as a nametag using the same imagery and textures.

Well, I would be happy to hop on out to Office Depot and pick up the stickers and print everything out. But can you do the layout? Like if you did a PDF or something and then told me which model of Avery's you had in mind, it would be pretty simple for me to take it from there.

I'll bring a small booster to the prize table to mitigate the ???s.

Cool. Added.

I vote for one army as it simplifies things.

It's kind of hard to make an army when over 80% of your figures are an 7.5 hour drive away, and there is only one common squad (x3) with you. :razz:

Well, no, the point is that you would bring 3 armies. Or 3 variations on 1 army. Or only two, or even just one, if that's what you want to do. But the point is that you have your armies set before you leave your house, not build them on the spot.

I didn't know we were still debating the number of armies.
Single-
I believe that multiple armies just makes things more difficult for the average player. If you don't play often or don't have all the rules/stats memorized then juggling a few armies you don't know very well is hard to do successfully. It would be better for people to bring one army that they've at least played once or twice and they know inside and out. Thats my two cents anyhow.

Well, it sounds like more and more people are leaning towards a single army, and that's okay, but I'm going to try one last time. :)

First of all, if people don't want to bring multiple armies, they definitely do NOT have to. I can certainly see an argument being made that trying to play multiple armies is a disadvantage and you should stick with one ... so do that. Stick with one. I'm certainly not proposing that people are FORCED to bring multiple armies.

But AFA said argument goes, I personally disagree with it. AFAIC, bringing multiple armies is an advantage, pure and simple, and I would like people to be able to avail themselves of that. I don't want anyone to feel like they lost a battle just because a given map was crappy for a given army. I do want people to start considering some of those units that they normally won't consider just because they know there's one or more maps out there that the unit can't perform well on. Having to play a single army breeds genericism in our unit choices, and, what's worse to me, means that often your entire showing in the tournament is decided before you ever leave your house. What I really don't want is for people to spend the first hour finding out that their army has a crucial weakness that they didn't consider, and then spend four more hours just having that same lesson beaten painfully into their skulls over and over again. How is that fun for anyone? Even the winners of those battles?

Anyways, I think that's my last effort to sway folks. If I don't see some others jumping on the bandwagon after this, I'll just shut up and change it to "single army." :)

[hivelord]

I still think it makes for a disadvantage to those who don't have the pieces to make multiple armies. Just my :2cents:.

[hextr1p]

Well, I would be happy to hop on out to Office Depot and pick up the stickers and print everything out. But can you do the layout? Like if you did a PDF or something and then told me which model of Avery's you had in mind, it would be pretty simple for me to take it from there.
I can do that easy enough.

I'm thinking if you're able to pick up these...

Avery® White Adhesive Name Badges 8395 (http://www.avery.com/avery/en_us/Products/Name-Badges/Name-Badges/Self-Adhesive-Removable-Name-Badge-Labels_08395.htm?N=0&Ns=&refchannel=c042fd03ab30a110VgnVCM1000002118140aRCRD)

I can download a template, prep the file, and then send it to you for printing. Would that work? I guess it's contingent on whether or not these are available locally... though I don't see why they wouldn't be. However, if you find something else, I can easily make the image fit whatever you purchase. Just let me know.

[King of the Marro]

If some people bring multiple armies and some don't, the advantage will clearly go to the ones with multiples. They'll be able to adjust their army to the map, rather than sucking it up and playing carefully/strategically. However some competitors won't have that option.

[robbdaman]

How about we allow halfway through a change of army for those that might want it? That way it's not all the same thing all day. I think pretty much any player out there can easily be able to field a couple armies, even if it's just borrowing from a friend or trading to each other.

[S1R_ART0R1US]

Would the change be permanent or not? How exactly would army choices be made? Before player assignment, but after map assignment? :confused:

[robbdaman]

I mean if there was 6 rounds allow players to change their army after round 3 and yes it would last the rest of the tourney.

[warriorneedsfoodbadly]

Yes, Renman and I discussed this yesterday and thought it would help in cases where someone had made a mistake in the development of their army. A one-time chance is given after the third game, only for people that have lost at least 2 of those games, to switch to a second predetermined army. I think this is a good compromise between those for and against multiple army play.

[hextr1p]

NOTE: Zazzle store items were taken down by Zazzle.com due to the term, "Heroscape" being on them...

[warriorneedsfoodbadly]

Come on, now. It doesn't get cold in SoCal. I'm not much of a mug drinker but I'm always down for a t-shirt. I'll have my front customized with my user name over the left breast. As I think everyone should do, also. When should we place our orders? Great work on the front and the back. People might not realize the event is done from the seated position, "There will be blood."

[BIGJIM]

Simple! Make up a few armies to bring and see what army may suit you at the begining of the tourament and play only that army. I do it all the time. The night before I make a few armies ( don't know which one too play) and go with my gut feeling after seeing the maps. REMENBER you want to win BUT it's all just about FUN!!! That's my take on it.

[Xotli]

I still think it makes for a disadvantage to those who don't have the pieces to make multiple armies. Just my :2cents:.

Hmmm .... I think this is one of those arguments that sounds good on paper but doesn't really apply in the real world. I mean, honestly, who doesn't have enough figures to make more than one army? Really? 'Cause, if all the figures you have total exactly 520 points, I'm thinking you're already at such a severe disadvantage that our decision on this issue doesn't really make much difference. ;)

I'll go one better: for anyone who posts here and says that they can't make more than one army, I'll bring them a second army to use. There ya go: problem solved. :)

I can do that easy enough.

Awesome.

I'm thinking if you're able to pick up these...

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I can download a template, prep the file, and then send it to you for printing. Would that work?

Absolutely!

I guess it's contingent on whether or not these are available locally... though I don't see why they wouldn't be. However, if you find something else, I can easily make the image fit whatever you purchase. Just let me know.

I'll try to go out early this coming week and make sure I get that exact label. I'll let you know once I have them in hand.

If some people bring multiple armies and some don't, the advantage will clearly go to the ones with multiples. They'll be able to adjust their army to the map, rather than sucking it up and playing carefully/strategically.

Hey, personally, I agree with you 100%. I certainly would never bring only one army, but others seem to have expressed an interest in being able to do so, or even advanced an argument that sticking to a single army would be advantageous (as you then would not have to have multiple strategies for your multiple armies). Anyhow it wouldn't make much sense to me not to allow people to stick with the same army if they really wanted to.

However some competitors won't have that option.

Again, I have to wonder: who doesn't have this option? If there really are such people, I'll happily retract my entire argument. I just don't see any indication that any of the folks actually attending would fall into such a category.

BTW, in case anyone thinks that this is just an insane idea and no one else is contemplating it, I'd like to point out that no less a HSer luminary than Jexik is moving away from the single-army-all-day idea (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=26847) ... actually, his idea is even more complex than mine (and much cooler, of course, him being Jexik and me being Xotli and all :D).

Yes, Renman and I discussed this yesterday and thought it would help in cases where someone had made a mistake in the development of their army. A one-time chance is given after the third game, only for people that have lost at least 2 of those games, to switch to a second predetermined army. I think this is a good compromise between those for and against multiple army play.

Yes! That's not quite as nifty as what I was thinking, but it's definitely a good compromise. And it retains something from my original idea, which was to give some advantage to those who are doing poorly in the tournament.

So let's do that. Can everyone agree on this? Here's some official wording that we could use:

Everyone brings two 520 point armies. There can be as much overlap between the two armies as you like (that is, there can be only one unit's difference, or no units in common whatsoever, or anywhere in between). Choose one of your armies to being play with; use this army exclusively at first. If, after one half of the tournament is over (one half is defined as after two rounds if the tournament is 5 rounds total, or after three rounds if the tournament is 6 rounds total), you have lost at least two games, you may choose to put aside your first army and being using your second army. The second army must then be used for the remainder of the tournament.

Switching armies is entirely optional, and therefore you do not have to bring a second army if you do not wish to. You cannot switch to your second army unless you have lost two games in the first half of the tournament. Once you switch, you cannot switch back. If you honestly don't have enough figures to field a second army, please speak to Xotli. :)

Whaddaya think?

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I think the merch is pretty awesome, but the prices are a bit scarey ... is that as cheap as the Zazzle thing gets? (I'm not familiar with them, but I assume it's just like Cafe Press.)

[robbdaman]

Unfortunately the costs go by how many sides. It cuts off $3 if you drop the back tagline though that's still $21. I know it'd be cheaper to get them made locally but they'd have to be pre-ordered where Zazzle prints on demand and you guys can order them yourselves. Pretty much all of the other online shirt services like Cafepress and Zazzle are about the same cost.

[S1R_ART0R1US]

Over $20 seems a little pricey. One idea could be to use the local service and have people "preorder" the shirts.

Rules for army swap look good!

[hextr1p]

Okay, admittedly the prices are a little scarey.

So, I put together a design on Cafe Press, and the shirt comes out to $17.99. Albeit, you have fewer color options, as that's just how CafePress works. But the design on a heather gray t-shirt looks pretty nice.

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Also, I am NOT marking these up. This is as cheap as they possibly get with a decent quality t-shirt.

Note that you can order these shirts at any time that is convenient. I don't need a count as to how many people want shirts, seeing as how Cafe Press prints them on demand. So if you want one, cool. If not, no worries. Just put these up for fun.

[robbdaman]

Yeah that's probably as cheap as you can make them with print on demand. The issue with pre-ordering and having shirts made in a bunch is we'd have to take orders now and make them so any stragglers would be left out plus we would need a guarantee that they'd be paid for even if some people had something come up between having them made and the event. So for instance if 5 people didn't show after we ordered them it'd be like $50-75 spent on shirts that might not be reimbursed.

[hextr1p]

So for instance if 5 people didn't show after we ordered them it'd be like $50-75 spent on shirts that might not be reimbursed.
Exactly. Not something I'd want to be responsible for. That, and because I'm not getting paid for this gig, going through the trouble of taking orders, tracking down a reasonable t-shirt vendor, working with said vendor to make sure the files are okay, etc., is a bit of a chore that I don't have the time to deal with. This way, via Cafe Press or Zazzle, everyone wins!

[boom]

Man, looks like I'll have to get a shirt, hex. ;)

I'll vote for the two armies thingee. If WNFB wants it, and he's the host, then I'm all for it.

[Xn F M]

Alright so I just got out of orientation for my new job and they told me that I could have the day off for NHSD, so my brother and I are back on the definitely coming list.

Since I know I'll be able to make it now, this seems like a good time to let everybody know, my contribution to the prize table will be a copy of Space Hulk.

[GamerHusband]

Hello all, I do not post much, but I am always keeping my eye on the forums. Please put me on the list for attending the tournament.

[hextr1p]

A quick note: All the Zazzle.com items were taken down by Zazzle.com due to the word, "Heroscape" being on them. So CafePress.com will be your only option for t-shirts.

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[boom]

Alright so I just got out of orientation for my new job and they told me that I could have the day off for NHSD, so my brother and I are back on the definitely coming list.

Since I know I'll be able to make it now, this seems like a good time to let everybody know, my contribution to the prize table will be a copy of Space Hulk.

:shock::shock::shock:

XN, are you serious?!?

Hooleee ccooowwww. Did you guys see this? I hope by "copy" you mean one you whittled out of wood, because if not........ yikes, you 'da man!

I know what I want to win.8)

Fun play be darned.;)

[hextr1p]

... this seems like a good time to let everybody know, my contribution to the prize table will be a copy of Space Hulk.
:shock:

Again, I say :shock:

[GamerHusband]

I have a question, I am using a repainted Agent Skahen, is this allowed in tournament play?

Also I am bringing two more players from my weekly Heroscape group. :D

[Xotli]

Also, I am NOT marking these up. This is as cheap as they possibly get with a decent quality t-shirt.

No, I knew that. But thanks for clarifying for any lurkers who might not know you as well as we do.

I'll vote for the two armies thingee. If WNFB wants it, and he's the host, then I'm all for it.

Rock on. Anyone with any serious objections, please voice them now.

Alright so I just got out of orientation for my new job and they told me that I could have the day off for NHSD, so my brother and I are back on the definitely coming list.

Excellent! Adde... no, wnfb beat me to it.

Since I know I'll be able to make it now, this seems like a good time to let everybody know, my contribution to the prize table will be a copy of Space Hulk.

I can see from boom's and h3x's reactions that that's impressive, but I'll have to take their word for it. :)

Hello all, I do not post much, but I am always keeping my eye on the forums. Please put me on the list for attending the tournament.

Awesome! I'll add you to the... no, wnfb beat me to that one too. You're good, wnfb! :D

GamerHusband, just let us know if you need any info you don't already see in the top post. Glad to have you aboard.

EDIT (to answer GH's questions that came in while I was typing):
I have a question, I am using a repainted Agent Skahen, is this allowed in tournament play?

Absolutely. You have printed out a card as well, right?

Also I am bringing two more players from my weekly Heroscape group. :D

Awesome. I'll add that to the top post as well.

[SlikkRikk]

You're donating Space Hulk man?!?! Wow, that's amazing. I won't get close enough to sniff it, but an incredibly generous thing to do.

[boom]

You're donating Space Hulk man?!?! Wow, that's amazing. I won't get close enough to sniff it, but an incredibly generous thing to do.

Think we should start practicing?

[SlikkRikk]

LOL!

[robbdaman]

You're donating Space Hulk man?!?! Wow, that's amazing. I won't get close enough to sniff it, but an incredibly generous thing to do.

Think we should start practicing?

You think it'll help? :p

[King of the Marro]

You're donating Space Hulk man?!?! Wow, that's amazing. I won't get close enough to sniff it, but an incredibly generous thing to do.

Think we should start practicing?

You think it'll help? :p

Might help him win second cuz' we all know whose taking first :D
(I probably wouldn't even take Space Hulk though Unless someone would trade a RotV for it.)

[S1R_ART0R1US]

Thanks for the vote of confidence KotM!

Glad to know I'm not the only one who thinks I'll win ;)

[boom]

You're donating Space Hulk man?!?! Wow, that's amazing. I won't get close enough to sniff it, but an incredibly generous thing to do.

Think we should start practicing?

You think it'll help? :p

Maybe it'll at least make me feel better about myself.:D

[robbdaman]

What is this practicing thing anyway? I haven't played since the last game day event down there with you guys. That was the end of March. Rusty? I'm nothing but rust!

[SlikkRikk]

King of the Marro -- I'll give you RotV with a bow on top.

[King of the Marro]

King of the Marro -- I'll give you RotV with a bow on top.

I'll probably take you up on that offer too :D

[BIGJIM]

So what else is needed for game day !

[Xotli]

Think we should start practicing?

Well, the last component of my primary army arrived in the mail today, so hopefully I can con SSX into a couple games over the weekend. Elsewise I'll be just playing myself again ...

So what else is needed for game day !

We'll, let's run down the list:

Last Things We Need For NHSD:


We need a final decision on heavy snow/slippery ice for Arctic Divide. Current suggestion is normal snow/slippery ice.
We need a final decision on heavy snow/slippery ice for Ice Blossom. Current suggestion is normal snow/slippery ice. I think for both of these, I'm just going to wait a couple of days and, if no one posts any objections, just go with the current suggestions.
With the current attendance, we need a minimum of 13 maps, and a maximum of 16. Currently we have people agreeing to bring 13 maps. I'd like to see at least a few more people sign up: I expect several of the maybes will pan out, possibly we'll see a last-minute surge in attendees, and there could even be surprise folks on the day of. I'd rather see us build maps that we don't need than not have enough maps for everyone to play.
We have 3 folks who have signed up for maps but we haven't decided which maps they should bring. We should probably try to nail that down so that everyone knows what they're bringing and we have a chance to make sure that everyone has all the sets they need to build the maps we need.
Also, call me paranoid, but I'd really love to hear those folks to whom I cavalierly assigned maps (i.e. Hivelord, KotM, and JuicerGM) respond back and let me know they saw the posts and are all set bringing those maps.
The last thing of course is the question of army vs. armies. So, it seems to me like we're pretty set on the primary army/backup army idea. I'd just like to hear people's impressions of my proposed wording. I've revised my first take on the wording and reposted it below. Please let me know if you see any tweaks or anything else it needs.


Bring two 520 point armies: a primary army and a backup army. There can be as much overlap between the two armies as you like--that is, there can be only one unit's difference, or no units in common whatsoever, or anywhere in between.

Begin play with your primary army; the backup army will not be used at the beginning of the tournament. If, after half of the tournament is over, you have lost two or more games, you may choose to retire your primary army and begin using your backup army. The backup army must then be used for the remainder of the tournament. If the tournament is 5 rounds total, your decision as to whether or not to switch comes after 2 rounds; if the tournament is 6 rounds total, the decision comes after 3 rounds.

Switching armies is entirely optional, and therefore you do not have to bring a backup army if you do not wish to. You cannot switch to your backup army unless you have lost two games in the first half of the tournament. Once you switch, you cannot switch back. If you honestly don't have enough figures to field a backup army, please contact the tournament organizers and we will make every effort to help you out.

Also, has anyone heard from Alastair Macdirk? I'm really surprised he hasn't spoken up here yet ...

[SlikkRikk]

That sounds great, Xotli. Great job with this - outstanding work.

[Detrimentalman]

Wording sounded good to me, and a very nice compromise I think.

[hextr1p]

Agreed. I like how you've set up the official tournament wording.

[Xn F M]

Sounds good Xotli. I've noticed that the first post doesn't mention the scoring. (I think I should go hit Superfly with some rep . . . .) I we had discussed it earlier and I think it got lost in the timewarp. Are we going with the Super Simple Scoring System and partial squads killed like last year, or had we decided on something else?

Also a little nit-picky thing, I'm double listed under prizes.

[BIGJIM]

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:Xotli, you have my vote! It's set up in a way that those that want to play with a extra army I believe will be satisfied. Also down with the snow / ice ideal! Will wait to see the out come. Great wording and very official! great job!!!:thumbsup:

[warriorneedsfoodbadly]

I'm concerned about having to lose twice if deciding to change armies after the second game. Might that be a very small number of people? After 3 games, two losses should be a larger percentage of people. Should we make it a mandatory switch (meaning you lose the 2nd game option, not that you must drop your original army) after the 3rd game, whether or not we go 5 or 6 rounds? Or, should we make it just one loss after the second game?

[Xn F M]

I'm concerned about having to lose twice if deciding to change armies after the second game. Might that be a very small number of people? After 3 games, two losses should be a larger percentage of people. Should we make it a mandatory switch after the 3rd game, whether or not we go 5 or 6 rounds? Or, should we make it just one loss after the second game?

I really don't think we should force someone to switch armies if they don't want to.

Really I think the biggest pro for the switch is that it allows people that brought "fun" armies to switch to something more competative if they're getting their buts handed to them. I'd be cool with giving them the option after rounds two or three, but I'm inclined to say it should be after two losses. There's just something about changing armies all willy-nilly that doesn't feel very much like a tournament to me.

[hivelord]

I am fine for those maps. And everything else sounds mighty-fine for me.

[SlikkRikk]

I think I'll start out with something that I deem "competitive" and if/when I get slogged out of the running I will bring out the "fun" army.

[Detrimentalman]

Yeah, that's exactly my idea slikk

[RoninValentina]

Thanks for the vote of confidence KotM!

Glad to know I'm not the only one who thinks I'll win ;)

I know you got this, S1R. NorCal represent! :mrgreen:

[Detrimentalman]

Did we ever decide on glyphs? Should I bring the ones listed on my maps?

[BIGJIM]

I think I'll start out with something that I deem "competitive" and if/when I get slogged out of the running I will bring out the "fun" army.
Hit the nail on the head! That how I TRY to do it [ don't always work] but it good to have that "FUN" army just in case. :D

[Xotli]

That sounds great, Xotli. Great job with this - outstanding work.

Wording sounded good to me, and a very nice compromise I think.

Agreed. I like how you've set up the official tournament wording.

Sounds good Xotli.

Hey, thanks guys. Just trying to keep things moving along. :)

I've noticed that the first post doesn't mention the scoring. (I think I should go hit Superfly with some rep . . . .) I we had discussed it earlier and I think it got lost in the timewarp. Are we going with the Super Simple Scoring System and partial squads killed like last year, or had we decided on something else?

No, I think the partial scoring thing is in there. Under "Format" it says "partial scoring," and also the second link under "Rules" is to the partial scoring post. The only thing I don't think we have yet is an updated partial scoring sheet that includes Wave 9.

Also a little nit-picky thing, I'm double listed under prizes.

Oh, are ye now? Well, I'll just fix... nope, wnfb ninja'd me again. :)

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:Xotli, you have my vote! It's set up in a way that those that want to play with a extra army I believe will be satisfied. Also down with the snow / ice ideal! Will wait to see the out come. Great wording and very official! great job!!!:thumbsup:

Thanx JIM. :)

I'm concerned about having to lose twice if deciding to change armies after the second game. Might that be a very small number of people? After 3 games, two losses should be a larger percentage of people. Should we make it a mandatory switch (meaning you lose the 2nd game option, not that you must drop your original army) after the 3rd game, whether or not we go 5 or 6 rounds? Or, should we make it just one loss after the second game?

Meaning, if I understand what you're saying, that I just change the wording to be that half the tournament is defined as 3 rounds, regardless of the total number of rounds? Well, I think it'll end up being a moot point, personally, because I feel moderately confident that we'll hit the magic 32 number and go the full 6 rounds, but, assuming we don't, we could change that, sure.

PROS: More people may end up getting to switch.
CONS: If you lose both the first 2 rounds, you're know you're going to switch but you're forced to stick it out for one more (perhaps painful) round. Also, you only get 2 rounds with your new army, which may not be enough to pull you out of a hole.

(Pros and cons are assuming we only have 5 rounds. If we have 6, there's no difference.) I'm fairly agnostic on the question. I would lean very slightly towards giving folks more rounds with the backup army than with the primary, but I could go either way.

I really don't think we should force someone to switch armies if they don't want to.

I'm pretty sure that's not what wnfb meant. I definitely agree with you that switching should be 100% optional.

I'd be cool with giving them the option after rounds two or three, but I'm inclined to say it should be after two losses.

Well, that's a 3rd option, I suppose. That is, we could say that the first half of the tournament is 3 rounds (whether the total is 5 or 6), and that you can switch any time after you receive 2 losses in the first half. That way you could switch after 2 rounds if you lose the first 2, or after 3 if you lose the first 2 out of 3.

Actually, the more I think about it, the more I like this option, because it addresses both my and wnfb's concerns. The only downside is that not everyone is switching at the same time, but is that really a downside? Doesn't seem like much of one to me.

If there's support for this, I can tweak the wording again and we'll have another round of eyes on it.

There's just something about changing armies all willy-nilly that doesn't feel very much like a tournament to me.

Well, as I say, look at what Jexik is doing for NHSD this year ... it's pretty exciting, I think. I wouldn't suggest we try it ourselves until after this year, so that we can see how it went for them, but I love how it sneaks a bit of drafting skill into the tourney format.

Point being, I think sticking with the same army throughout the day is just one of those things where it feels "right" because we've always done it that way more so than because there's some inherent "tournamentness" to it.

I am fine for those maps. And everything else sounds mighty-fine for me.

Awesome.

Did we ever decide on glyphs? Should I bring the ones listed on my maps?

We did decide: no glyphs. I believe it says that in the top post somewhere ... ah, yes, "Glyphs: not allowed" just above "Format."

Anything else we should cover? Should we explicitly say that if you get stuck playing whoever you came with, we'll switch you out (I believe we did that last year if it happened in round #1, but not otherwise)? Should we explicitly say that, if we end up having to have duplicate maps and you draw the same map for a second time, we'll switch you out there as well? Should we explicitly call out any more nitpicky rules--cocked/dropped dice, when it's too late to remember to do a bonding or some other power, etc? We usually play that sort of stuff by ear and it never seems to have been a problem, so it's prolly not necessary. Just trying to be all thorough and stuff. :D

Still looking pretty awesome, guys! I think I'll drop Alastair a PM just to make sure he's seen the thread. And I believe someone sent something to the Yahoo! group, right?

Getting excited ... did a practice game last night and my army performed pretty well. Although I think SSX is still feeling out his strategy a bit, so perhaps it wasn't a completely fair test. Have to try out the backup army next! Woohoo!

[warriorneedsfoodbadly]

I posted at Heroscape Leauge a long time ago, requesting they let us know their availability.
The switching after 2 loses could work at any point in the tournament if we arrange for something like cards with different colors on the back and front. One color is assigned as the starting army and the other color for the 2nd army. You would list the respective armies for all to see on their side. We could have people tell us when they switch (could be after a win, but still had 2 previous losses - maybe after the 4th game?) and maybe cross out the starting army's side so they couldn't return to it?

[King of the Marro]

I'm not in favor of forcing people to switch armies, and I plan on bringing a "fun" army though it will probably be for after the tourny.

[warriorneedsfoodbadly]

Somehow the army switching has been misunderstood to be one of no choice. This is not the case.
If you choose to switch to a second army you may do so, only after a minimum of 2 losses. There is no going back to the first army.
Be it after the 2nd round or later or not at all, to have and use a second army is strictly optional.

[King of the Marro]

Okay, I like that idea.

[Xn F M]

There's just something about changing armies all willy-nilly that doesn't feel very much like a tournament to me.

Well, as I say, look at what Jexik is doing for NHSD this year ... it's pretty exciting, I think. I wouldn't suggest we try it ourselves until after this year, so that we can see how it went for them, but I love how it sneaks a bit of drafting skill into the tourney format.

Point being, I think sticking with the same army throughout the day is just one of those things where it feels "right" because we've always done it that way more so than because there's some inherent "tournamentness" to it.

Just thought I should clarify here. That was in response to a couple posts that appeared to advocate allowing a switch at any time. Personally I consider reading the metagame to be an inherant part of any type of constructed tournament. Though I suppose a multple-army tournament is just a different metagame when you get right down to it.

I'm starting to feel like I may be complaining about the whole multiple army thing. I don't mean to, and really it's not like it's going to make me not want to come. And when it gets right down to it, I think the only real problem with multiple armies is that someone could decide to switch after seeing their opponent's army. That just wouldn't be fair. I'm thinking maybe we should have people that are switching turn in their "army A" lists between rounds, before seating is announced.

[warriorneedsfoodbadly]

I was planning to have everyone receive their dual-colored cards to write down their armies on (one color for Army A, the other color for Army B) when they handed in their $5. They would also copy their armies onto a master list. People would exchange their army cards with their opponents so that no funny business could happen. They may make a one-time switch at any point in the tournament, just as long as they've had 2 losses. There is no returning to Army A after switching to Army B. Before each game begins (prior to the assigning of opponents), we'll ask who is going to switch and then cross out the Army A side of their card. If questions arise as to the authenticity of someone's army card, we can check it against the master list.

[Xn F M]

I was planning to have everyone receive their dual-colored cards to write down their armies on (one color for Army A, the other color for Army B) when they handed in their $5. They would also copy their armies onto a master list. People would exchange their army cards with their opponents so that no funny business could happen. They may make a one-time switch at any point in the tournament, just as long as they've had 2 losses. There is no returning to Army A after switching to Army B. Before each game begins (prior to the assigning of opponents), we'll ask who is going to switch and then cross out the Army A side of their card. If questions arise as to the authenticity of someone's army card, we can check it against the master list.

Sounds good :up:.

[robbdaman]

Yeah, a structured way to list what potential armies you'd play that day would be best. Although if we have any younger kids I'd just let them throw whatever they want into an army.

[BIGJIM]

Great thinking!! Works for me!!!

[Xotli]

We could have people tell us when they switch (could be after a win, but still had 2 previous losses - maybe after the 4th game?) ...

Well, after the 4th game would be into the 2nd half, which is slightly different than what we have been saying up till now. Not that I'm opposed--on the contrary, the more flexibility the better, AFAIC--but I just want to reach a concensus so that we can nail down the wording.

Personally I consider reading the metagame to be an inherant part of any type of constructed tournament. Though I suppose a multple-army tournament is just a different metagame when you get right down to it.

Right, exactly. As long as everyone knows what the rules are ahead of time, you can metgame all you want. Preparing for the unexpected is part of the coolness of Heroscape anyway ... and, realistically, you don't know what army I'm bringing, right? So whether I play one army you didn't know about or a different army you didn't know about doesn't make much difference, right?

I'm starting to feel like I may be complaining about the whole multiple army thing. I don't mean to, and really it's not like it's going to make me not want to come.

No, no, you're not complaining. We're discussing. I think it's important to hash out all the details, and to let everyone have a fair say. The discussion has been very civil amongst all of us, so I don't have any problems with everyone continuing to throw out their points of view. Let's all say what we think! :)

And when it gets right down to it, I think the only real problem with multiple armies is that someone could decide to switch after seeing their opponent's army. That just wouldn't be fair.

Well, stressing that this backwater of the discussion is completely moot because we're not definitely not doing that, I will throw out there that that actually was part of my original suggestion. It's not so much that it's not fair, per se, it's that it gives an advantage to the person who chooses second. That's why I suggested that the person with the worse record would get to choose second: the advantage would then be a balancing factor. Unfortunately, I don't think I thought that part of it through well enough. On further reflection, I think it's a pretty cool thing if the person with the worse record has a significantly worse record, but when the two players are very close in records, it just overbalances things in the opposite direction. And the way the Swiss/simple tournament structure works, the competitors in each round are always close to each other: that's the way the whole thing is designed. So it wasn't a very workable suggestion overall. That's why I was so pleased with the direction that wnfb took it in.

I'm thinking maybe we should have people that are switching turn in their "army A" lists between rounds, before seating is announced.

Yes, I agree with that.

I was planning to have everyone receive their dual-colored cards to write down their armies on (one color for Army A, the other color for Army B) when they handed in their $5. They would also copy their armies onto a master list. People would exchange their army cards with their opponents so that no funny business could happen. They may make a one-time switch at any point in the tournament, just as long as they've had 2 losses. There is no returning to Army A after switching to Army B. Before each game begins (prior to the assigning of opponents), we'll ask who is going to switch and then cross out the Army A side of their card. If questions arise as to the authenticity of someone's army card, we can check it against the master list.

Wow ... that's a lot more organized than I was thinking. :) Does the army you're playing impact the tournament scoring in any way? (Well, except ISTR that if your army is less than the full 520 points that enters into it somehow.) Just trying to figure out if the master list is totally necessary ... I suppose if we were worried about people trying to pull something over on us, it would be, but I dunno ... Maybe I'm too trusting, but I just don't see that as a problem. Of course, I suppose the only advantage of not having a master list is to reduce the paperwork for the tournament organizers, but that shouldn't be overlooked. You guys have enough going on as it is.

The rest of it sounds exactly perfect. Do we have a design for the cards? Is that something else I should plan on printing out and bringing? I'm not sure how early I'll be able to get there--mornings around here can get kind of crazy--but I'll definitely do the best I can to be there well before things get going.

Yeah, a structured way to list what potential armies you'd play that day would be best. Although if we have any younger kids I'd just let them throw whatever they want into an army.

Yeah, good point. From what I've seen, the kids always get cut a little slack anyway. It's one of the things I like most about our group, actually. We're not so picky on the newbies (regardless of age).

[King of the Marro]

The whole card idea cleared things up for me and I'm with it. Doubt I'll switch though...

[Xn F M]

There's just something about changing armies all willy-nilly that doesn't feel very much like a tournament to me.

Well, as I say, look at what Jexik is doing for NHSD this year ... it's pretty exciting, I think. I wouldn't suggest we try it ourselves until after this year, so that we can see how it went for them, but I love how it sneaks a bit of drafting skill into the tourney format.

Hey Xotli, I may just be incompatent on account of it being early, but I can't find the thread for the NHSD tourney you're refering to. Do you think you could hook me up with a link?

[Oogie_Da_Bruce]

Very good work hammering out the two army switch. I really like the wording and can see this being a very popular format.

[warriorneedsfoodbadly]

Thank you for the compliment, Oogie_Da_Bruce.
Fingers are crossed for success.

[Xotli]

Hey Xotli, I may just be incompatent on account of it being early, but I can't find the thread for the NHSD tourney you're refering to. Do you think you could hook me up with a link?

Yeah, I put the link (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=26847) in my post when I mentioned it back in post #105, but I probably should have repeated it above. Sorry!

Very good work hammering out the two army switch. I really like the wording and can see this being a very popular format.

Hey, thanx ODB. I think we may be on to something cool as well.



Okay, peeps, just for the sheer joy of it, and to help keep the discussion going, I'm going to toss out another go-round of the wording, trying to keep up with what we've been throwing around as ideas. Keep in mind that this is just a suggestion ... still more tweaking will be required as the discussion continues. However, also keep in mind that we've drifted into October, so we're only 17 days away from tourney time! :)

Bring two 520 point armies: a primary army and a backup army. There can be as much overlap between the two armies as you like--that is, there can be only one unit's difference, or no units in common whatsoever, or anywhere in between.

When you receive your tournament card, record both armies. Your primary army goes in the [insert color here] section; your backup army goes in the [insert color here] section. Immediately before you begin play each round of the tournament, briefly switch cards with your opponent so that you can see what army you will be playing against, and your opponent can do the same.

For the first two games of the tournament, use your primary army; the backup army is not used at this point. Before the third game, and before each game thereafter, everyone who has lost at least two games may choose to retire their primary army and begin using their backup army. If you choose to do this, draw a line through your primary army on your tournament card. Your decision to retire your primary army is irrevocable; once you do so, your primary army is not used and you must use your backup army exclusively.

Your choice to retire your primary army is made before assigments are given for the upcoming game. Thus, you will not know either the next map you will be playing on, nor who your opponent is (or what army they will be using). Your decision is based only on whether you feel that your primary army has performed poorly enough that you would be better off switching to your backup army.

Switching armies is entirely optional, and therefore you do not have to bring a backup army if you do not wish to. You cannot switch to your backup army unless you have lost two games. Your decision to switch must be made during one of the windows allotted for switching and at no other time. Once you switch, you cannot switch back. If you honestly don't have enough figures to field a backup army, please contact the tournament organizers and we will make every effort to help you out.

Looking forward to everyone's thoughts! And please don't forget that we need to get a few more map volunteers. Thanx everyone!

[Xn F M]

Hey Xotli, I may just be incompatent on account of it being early, but I can't find the thread for the NHSD tourney you're refering to. Do you think you could hook me up with a link?

Yeah, I put the link (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=26847) in my post when I mentioned it back in post #105, but I probably should have repeated it above. Sorry!

Thanks for the link Xotli, that does look pretty sweet. I almost want to try that more than the "pee-wee league" format I've been mulling over. The current wording for the switch looks good to me.


Because I know someone's going to ask, this is the basic jist of the Pee-Wee League format:

200 pt armes, no card may cost 100+ points, (maybe no rats, I'm not sure about that yet though), 12 start zone spaces, roughly half the rounds would be team games.

Like I said, I've been thinking about this since a team game the other day with my brother, Wukieslap, and a buddy of his. I think it would be a fun, quick format.

[boom]

I think the wording of the army switch reads well and answered the questions I had developed during the reading of it. I think its good to go.

[WukieSlap]

Because I know someone's going to ask, this is the basic jist of the Pee-Wee League format:

200 pt armes, no card may cost 100+ points, (maybe no rats, I'm not sure about that yet though), 12 start zone spaces, roughly half the rounds would be team games.

Like I said, I've been thinking about this since a team game the other day with my brother, Wukieslap, and a buddy of his. I think it would be a fun, quick format.

That was a fun game. I'd love to play in a 2v2 tourney like that.

[Alastair MacDirk]

I wanted to attend and even went up to Norcal where my HS stuff is stashed and put together an unstoppable army. I was looking forward to rolling into the tourney and showing y'all how battle hardened I've become by playing up North with some pretty tough competition.

Quick story... The infamous CCC guys rode down to Socal a few years back incognito and made the ride back unforgettable by taking pics of them partying with the Socal trophy. It was funny you gotta admit. MJ was the dude that won the Socal Tourney and a couple of mos. later he came to the Nocal tourney. You should know also that the CCC with the like's of Joe's Fury, Pitboss, Preacher and MJ (a group of friends from San Jose) had been dominating in Nocal tourneys for awhile. Anyhow, MJ beat me in the 3rd round.... but we ended up meeting again in the finals. I knew he was going to come at me the same way. Loading up his Krav until the AE dropped... he had the Marro Warriors and some other stuff in reserve. I changed up my opening to great effect and kicked his a$$, winning the first of championship of my illustrious HS career. What army did I use?

Sorry, you'll have to wait until the next open tourney to find out. 520 points suits it EXACTLY.

Alas, I realized very quickly that the reason I never participated in any of the NHSDs is that it falls on the weekend of my wedding anniversary. Hard to tell the wife I will skip a romantic weekend on the coast with her so I can get my Heroscape on.

Anyhow Good Luck all... especially Xotli. I am not really as arrogant as this post, I do it for affect.

[robbdaman]

Ah since you won't be there Alastair, no one cares what you might have played. ;)

[BIGJIM]

Ah since you won't be there Alastair, no one cares what you might have played. ;)
:rimshot:

[BIGJIM]

Xotli great wording on the playing of 2 armies. Seem to work for everyone. You get 2 :thumbsup::thumbsup:!

[Xotli]

Because I know someone's going to ask, this is the basic jist of the Pee-Wee League format: ...

Hey, that sounds pretty cool. Let's try something like that out the next time we can get you San Diego guys up here.

That was a fun game. I'd love to play in a 2v2 tourney like that.

Oh, hey, WukieSlap ... didn't we need some clarification from you on the front page ... something ...

Oh, yeah ... which map are you bringing? If you want some help deciding, just give me a quick rundown of what sets you have and I'll tell you what the best thing to bring is.

The current wording for the switch looks good to me.

I think the wording of the army switch reads well and answered the questions I had developed during the reading of it. I think its good to go.

Xotli great wording on the playing of 2 armies. Seem to work for everyone. You get 2 :thumbsup::thumbsup:!

Aw, shux, guys. <shuffling feet> It wa'n't nothin' but a thing.

Okay, calling for objections, seeing none, wording is so moved to the top post.

Alas, I realized very quickly that the reason I never participated in any of the NHSDs is that it falls on the weekend of my wedding anniversary. Hard to tell the wife I will skip a romantic weekend on the coast with her so I can get my Heroscape on.

Aw, bummer you won't be able to make it. But I guess that's a pretty good excuse. :D

Maybe we should start thinking about organizing a spring tournament as well ... sort of bracket out the year. Might be interesting.

Anyhow Good Luck all... especially Xotli.

Well, thanx, but I'm not really that good. I think I came in dead center last year (16 out of 31). ODB is the man to watch out for ... I don't think I've ever been beaten with as much brutal efficiency as my first game vs Da Bruce. :) Also boom is a tough opponent ... and who won last year, I can't recall .... oh, yeah, Detrimentalman. Gotta watch out for the D-man.


Hey, H3x ... I got those labels. 8395, just like you said. Also I got a refill on the last color cartridge I needed for the color laser; I should be good to print whatever we need. Can you hook me with the PDF?

I'm seriously considering volunteering for a map myself. I hate committing to being places early, because I'm notoriously late to everything (I was always late when I was younger, and having kids does not make that any better, I discovered). But it looks like if I'm bringing the nametags, or maybe even the tournament cards (do we have a template for that yet guys?), I'll need to get my butt there early anyway. So maybe.

But maps is the big thing right now:

MINIMUM MAPS WE NEED: 14
MAXIMUM MAPS WE NEED: 17
MAPS CURRENTLY COMMITTED: 13

See the discrepancy folks? Anyone else who can toss in a map, please speak up now. Also, those who have said they will bring a map but not said which one, let's nail that down so the as-yet-unvolunteered will know what to bring. WE'RE ONLY TWO WEEKS AWAY PEOPLE! Soooo exciting. I could just squeal. :)


EDIT: Just noticed that we don't have the colors for the primary and backup armies on the card ... not that it matters that much, but just for clarity's sake, have we decided (or can we just pick) that?

[BIGJIM]

I believe it in 2 weeks. Not next Saturday but the one after! Yes...No..?

[Xotli]

I believe it in 2 weeks. Not next Saturday but the one after! Yes...No..?

Yeah, nice catch JIM. I thought I wrote "two weeks," but apparently my fingers are even more excited than my brain. :D

Fixed.

[warriorneedsfoodbadly]

For the army cards, I was thinking I'd just get some card stock from somewhere and cut them out. Nothing printed on them.
I just got an e-mail from HouseMouse.com and it had a new HSCodex available with maps on it. Any thoughts? Might they also have the wave 9 addition to the points sheet?
As far as the previous questions, from Xotli, still unanswered:
I'm fine with not playing against the people you arrived with for round #1.
Playing on the same map will probably become unavoidable by the end of the tournament, to some degree, but maybe we could allow for a map change if one opponent has had 2 games already on it or if both opponents have each had 1 game on it?
This is a tournament, and as such, I believe we should be strict when it comes to mistakes in play. Any goof may only be disallowed by your opponent's graciousness.
Dice should be flat on a single surface or all get rerolled, unless opponents agree to something different prior to play commencing.
Lastly, assigning the number of steps to ice/snow seems to be map specific. In that vein, I believe the person that made the map should have the honor of deciding this question and should include it on their printout of the map.
Kudos to Xotli on all of your thorough work, which we will all be enjoying in a mere 13 days!
!!!I just ordered my t-shirt and after processing it asked for e-mail addresses of friends to send them $5 coupons. Have your friends' e-mail addresses ready and tell them not to order their t-shirts until they get the $5 coupons!!!
Oh, coupons good for orders of $50 or more, so get 2 buddies to join you in your order and save on shipping, as well.

[S1R_ART0R1US]

I don't have some of my army cards, so would printed copies be acceptable. I have the correct figures though.

[warriorneedsfoodbadly]

Army card copies are fine by me.

[Xotli]

For the army cards, I was thinking I'd just get some card stock from somewhere and cut them out. Nothing printed on them.

Well, that's no fun. :D

Seriously, tho, if anyone wants to take a cut at designing such a thing, it would be trivial to print them out. And it would make things easier on the day. Graphics stuff isn't my strong suit tho. Anyone want to volunteer for this?

I just got an e-mail from HouseMouse.com and it had a new HSCodex available with maps on it. Any thoughts? Might they also have the wave 9 addition to the points sheet?

I'll admit I haven't had the opportunity to download the new Codex yet. Has anyone else looked in there to see what goodies we can abscond with?

I'm fine with not playing against the people you arrived with for round #1.

Okay, I'll try to gen up some wording on that for the top post.

Playing on the same map will probably become unavoidable by the end of the tournament, to some degree, but maybe we could allow for a map change if one opponent has had 2 games already on it or if both opponents have each had 1 game on it?

Sure, that sounds good. I'll try to come up with some wording on that one too.

This is a tournament, and as such, I believe we should be strict when it comes to mistakes in play. Any goof may only be disallowed by your opponent's graciousness.
Dice should be flat on a single surface or all get rerolled, unless opponents agree to something different prior to play commencing.

Okay, I'll add that as well.

Lastly, assigning the number of steps to ice/snow seems to be map specific. In that vein, I believe the person that made the map should have the honor of deciding this question and should include it on their printout of the map.

Meaning the person who's going to build the map? Well, as we're sort of arbitrarily deciding who's bringing what map, that may not be the best way to go ... just because I told person X to bring map Y on account of them listing TT as one of their terrain sets doesn't mean that person X has an opinion on heavy snow/slippery ice for map Y. More importantly, I do think that people should know what to expect before the day of the tournament; I've always felt that this was one area where we were a bit too freeform in the past.


Kudos to Xotli on all of your thorough work, which we will all be enjoying in a mere 13 days!

Well, thanx. :oops:

!!!I just ordered my t-shirt and after processing it asked for e-mail addresses of friends to send them $5 coupons. Have your friends' e-mail addresses ready and tell them not to order their t-shirts until they get the $5 coupons!!!
Oh, coupons good for orders of $50 or more, so get 2 buddies to join you in your order and save on shipping, as well.

Oh, yeah, I prolly need to do that right soon if I'm gonna do it at all ...

I don't have some of my army cards, so would printed copies be acceptable. I have the correct figures though.

Sure, printed cards are no problem. I know somebody (Roland, was it?) generally uses the smaller cards from here in the downloads section, so there's definitely precedent for that.


EDIT: I gave in and put myself down for Flash Fire. It's the practice map SSX and I are using anyway, so I guess it's no problem to tear it down and toss it in a box.

wnfb, what other two maps will you be building?

[boom]

Prize support from WotC is getting near and the powers that be are calling for all organizers (wnfb) to PM rychean with their mailing info. Here's the thread:

http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=26750

They need it ASAP. Thanks, G.

[Skeletor]

garsh darn it I'm going to be out of town

[Yaish]

I am definitely interested. This will be my first tournament, and I'm looking forward to meeting some more scapers besides just family. If I brought a couple other players along who aren't posters would that be ok? I'd let you know in advance.

[hivelord]

I am definitely interested. This will be my first tournament, and I'm looking forward to meeting some more scapers besides just family. If I brought a couple other players along who aren't posters would that be ok? I'd let you know in advance.

We always appreciate scapers, regardless of whether they are on the site. Right guys? That reminds me, I need to talk to redhorseman's crew.

[Yaish]

I see some maps are still needed. I have the following terrain and can help if need be.

2x RotV
SotM
FotA
TJ (missing one small bush - darn dog ate it...)
Marvel MS
Several additional large 24 hex tiles from a 3rd RotV

If there is a tourney map that can be made with that, let me know and I'll bring it.

[hextr1p]

I am definitely interested. This will be my first tournament, and I'm looking forward to meeting some more scapers besides just family. If I brought a couple other players along who aren't posters would that be ok? I'd let you know in advance.

We always appreciate scapers, regardless of whether they are on the site. Right guys? That reminds me, I need to talk to redhorseman's crew.
That we do! Though as you mentioned Yaish, be sure to post in this thread how many others would be attending with you so we have as close to an exact headcount as possible. :)

[Yaish]

Will there be a kids category or a minimum age requirement? My 9 y/o nephew would love to come, but he makes 9 y/o mistakes.

[boom]

I am definitely interested. This will be my first tournament, and I'm looking forward to meeting some more scapers besides just family. If I brought a couple other players along who aren't posters would that be ok? I'd let you know in advance.

Like Hive and Hex said, all are welcome :D. Looking forward to meeting you all.

Will there be a kids category or a minimum age requirement? My 9 y/o nephew would love to come, but he makes 9 y/o mistakes.

I have two thoughts on this. First, there is no age limit and Xotli's son, SSX, has played in our tournaments before and he is about 10, right X? All of the gamers in our SoCal league are great sports and there is not a single trash-talker or mega-cheese player in the bunch, making gaming with us a very kid-friendly environment.

However.... NHSD is probably the ONLY time that most of us get our gaming hackles up and play pretty competitively. This is mostly due to the great prize support we get (in the past we've had master sets, gift certificates from online retailers, and tons of stuff from WotC) and this year is going to be just as good. We have lots of donations and will even have a copy of Space Hulk for the prize table. Because of this, I'm thinking most players won't mind steamrolling someone making 9-year-old mistakes because racking up the points can help in the end if players are tied for best record.

I have no problem playing younger 'scapers whatsoever, and will always take time to talk about their decisions and let them take do-overs during games. It would be tough to do during this particular tournament, though, because I've often lost to younger players and because of that Space Hulk looming on the horizon ;).

If he feels comfortable with his play, then I say thrown him in and we'll all give him high fives 8). If you'd prefer he debut his skills in a more casual environment, then any other games day we have would probably be better than this particular one.

Hope that all made sense and other SoCalers, please sound off with your opinions.

[SlikkRikk]

Couldn't have said it better myself, Boom.

[boom]

Couldn't have said it better myself, Boom.

Thanks and welcome back. Are you wearing a ten gallon hat now?

[Yaish]

Thanks for the input guys.

Ok, me +2 please. Again, let me know about maps, and I have a medium sized folding table I'll bring. It can be a side table for snacks, drinks, etc...

We'll bring up some food and drink too I'm sure, just not sure what yet.

[warriorneedsfoodbadly]

Thank you to boom and Xn F M for letting me know about sending in the mailing address. Done.
I also told them our new attendee numbers of 30-37!
Xotli, I believe RenMan has 2 copies of all of the terrains but 3 of Valhalla and the castle.
Additionally, I believe a friend, that has yet to confirm his attendance, probably also has 2 of each, but no Marro master or jungle, that will likely be made available to use.
Remember, Yaish also needs guidance on the maps to make.
Thank you, Xotli!

[Xotli]

garsh darn it I'm going to be out of town

Bummer ... we'll miss you! Hope you can make the next one.

I am definitely interested. This will be my first tournament, and I'm looking forward to meeting some more scapers besides just family. If I brought a couple other players along who aren't posters would that be ok? I'd let you know in advance.

Absolutely, bring as many as you like.

I see some maps are still needed. I have the following terrain and can help if need be.

2x RotV
SotM
FotA
TJ (missing one small bush - darn dog ate it...)
Marvel MS
Several additional large 24 hex tiles from a 3rd RotV

If there is a tourney map that can be made with that, let me know and I'll bring it.

You know, I never really realized how many of the BoV maps depend on RttFF ... it severely limits what folks without a forest set can build.

Well, we're up to a maximum possible maps needed of 19, with still time for that to grow even larger before tourney time, so I think it's time to bite the bullet and start planning on a few duplicate maps anyway. So, Yaish, I think you should plan on bringing Turret Rocks and another copy of Ticalla Sunrise (I don't believe that requires all the bushes anyway). The only other thing you even could build would be Embattled Fen, and we've kicked out that map. :) Check the front page for links to download the maps in question.

Will there be a kids category or a minimum age requirement? My 9 y/o nephew would love to come, but he makes 9 y/o mistakes.

Honestly, my kid isn't much older than that, and this will be his second tournament. Granted, he started out with a non-tournament gameday first, so perhaps that helped, but it's been my experience that all our folks are very patient and helpful with the kids. As boom says, though, this is a tournament, so the important thing to remember is that he will suffer losses--most likely more losses than victories--so he needs to be okay with that (some kids are, some aren't ... to be honest, SSX isn't most of the time, but he's handled it very well FTMP when he's been thrown into the SoCal gamedays ... I suppose he wants to look mature in front of the older people (which is most of us)). SSX pulled only one win last year, but that was enough to keep him from being at the very bottom (he was next-to-last instead :)), so he was fine in the end. And there were so many prizes last year that even the last place finishers got one, so it wasn't a bad experience for him at all.

Just some info to help with your decision.

First, there is no age limit and Xotli's son, SSX, has played in our tournaments before and he is about 10, right X?

Just turned 11, actually. He was 9 on his first gameday, I believe ... just turned 10 on his first NHSD (which was last year).

All of the gamers in our SoCal league are great sports and there is not a single trash-talker or mega-cheese player in the bunch, making gaming with us a very kid-friendly environment.

Well, there's some trash talking occasionally--all very good-natured of course!--but that's never bothered SSX. He can trash talk with the best of 'em. ;)

Xotli, I believe RenMan has 2 copies of all of the terrains but 3 of Valhalla and the castle.

Hmmm ... I think I need some clarifications here.

When you say "Valhalla," do you mean RotV? i.e. original master sets?
Does RenMan's terrain need to cover the Highways and Dieways that you already signed up for, or is that separate?

'Cause if it's not separate, I'll probably recommend that you don't choose H&D for one of your maps. It takes 2 RttFF, which is all your forests, and, as I mentioned above to Yaish, almost all the maps need RttFF's.

Additionally, I believe a friend, that has yet to confirm his attendance, probably also has 2 of each, but no Marro master or jungle, that will likely be made available to use.

Hmmm ... let's hold that as extra terrain. I think we may need some of that anyway.

WE STILL NEED:
A few more map volunteers.
To pin down WukieSlap on what map he's bringing.
I said I would add some more clarifications to the official wording.
I need to get the PDF for the nametags from h3x.
I'd still like to see a take on the tournament cards that we could print out ahead of time.
Do we have an update for the partial scoring sheet that includes Wave 9?

[WukieSlap]

WE STILL NEED:
A few more map volunteers.
To pin down WukieSlap on what map he's bringing.
I said I would add some more clarifications to the official wording.
I need to get the PDF for the nametags from h3x.
I'd still like to see a take on the tournament cards that we could print out ahead of time.
Do we have an update for the partial scoring sheet that includes Wave 9?

I can bring two maps. Here's my terrain collection:

3x Rotv
1x SotM
3x Castle
1x RttFF

Please let me know what you want me to bring.

[CharosInCharge]

Hello all....

I am just confirming that I will be attending!

I am one of the +1 that GamerHusband said will be coming with him from our local game. So I should already be counted for, but you can put my name up there and take down the +1 if you want.

I look forward to meeting some new Scapers! It should be a good time.

[boom]

Hello all....

I am just confirming that I will be attending!

I am one of the +1 that GamerHusband said will be coming with him from our local game. So I should already be counted for, but you can put my name up there and take down the +1 if you want.

I look forward to meeting some new Scapers! It should be a good time.

Very good, it will be nice to meet you next weekend.

Xotli, I'll have the wave 9 partial scoring table to you by end of the day.

[robbdaman]

10 days until the event! :rock: :cheer:

Wukie, just pick a couple that are good simple maps. Please nothing that requires way too much climbing. That canyon map from last year was a pain.

I'm slowly working on some fig repaints, hope to get more done this weekend. Have some new wave 9 heroes I'm fancying up and a maybe a new D&D master set piece or two along with older master set and wave repaints.

[Yaish]

Ok, I'll download the maps for Turret Rocks and Ticalla Sunrise and make sure I can make them.

My nephew is fine with losing, in fact he's only won a game once, but he actually plays pretty well. We usually do multiplayer free-for-alls, so with just one opponent he'll probably do better. He's a good kid, so no worries there.

[boom]

Do we have an update for the partial scoring sheet that includes Wave 9?


The numbers are done and were sent to production to be added to the tables. How did you want them? email or pm?

[CharosInCharge]

This might be a silly question, but this will be my first tournament :)

I read the simple/swiss rules and it said that there is usually 5 rounds of play between the 2 players.

Is this true for our tournament?

Or is it a battle to the death and then the losing player adds up the damage he did to the victor?

Thanks! :)

[boom]

This might be a silly question, but this will be my first tournament :)

I read the simple/swiss rules and it said that there is usually 5 rounds of play between the 2 players.

Is this true for our tournament?

Or is it a battle to the death and then the losing player adds up the damage he did to the victor?

Thanks! :)

Everybody will play 5 rounds, but your opponent will change for each round. The first round will be random, but from then on, it will be matched winners vs winners and not winners vs not winners, with some overlap in the middle. After 5 rounds of this a clear cut winner of the day should be determined, especially when you count up the points of all the adversaries you destroyed that day.

There's a chance you could play the same opponent somewhere down the line, but its slim.

Hope that helps.

[CharosInCharge]

I mean in a single game, is there 5 rounds of play between the 2 players?

5 rounds as in 15 turns per player per match? and that is the game limit and the winner is who has the majority of there army left on the board?

Or is it 2 random players that play until one players army is dead?

That is where I am getting confussed

[robbdaman]

I mean in a single game, is there 5 rounds of play between the 2 players?

5 rounds as in 15 turns per player per match? and that is the game limit and the winner is who has the majority of there army left on the board?

Or is it 2 random players that play until one players army is dead?

That is where I am getting confussed

You play until you finish or time runs out in the game. Tournaments are timed games, if neither player destroys the other player's army entirely you add up the points each player attained and the person with the most points wins.

[CharosInCharge]

Perfect! Thanks for clearing that up for me

[SlikkRikk]

Boom -- It's only 8 gallons. The airport won't let you go over 9. ;)

[boom]

Boom -- It's only 8 gallons. The airport won't let you go over 9. ;)

Giddyup, little doggie.

Thanks for the save, Rob.

[Xotli]

I can bring two maps. Here's my terrain collection:

3x Rotv
1x SotM
3x Castle
1x RttFF

Please let me know what you want me to bring.

Hmmm ... there are just way too many maps that require RttFF (did I complain about that before?) ...

Let's say Mole Hills and another copy of Turret Rocks. That's about the best we can do, I think. I'll put the links up on the front page.

Thanx WukieSlap!

Hello all....

I am just confirming that I will be attending!

I am one of the +1 that GamerHusband said will be coming with him from our local game. So I should already be counted for, but you can put my name up there and take down the +1 if you want.

I look forward to meeting some new Scapers! It should be a good time.

I see wnfb already took care of that for us, so I'll just say: looking forward to seeing you there, and also that I chuckled out loud when I saw your forum name. :D

Xotli, I'll have the wave 9 partial scoring table to you by end of the day.

Rock on.

My nephew is fine with losing, in fact he's only won a game once, but he actually plays pretty well. We usually do multiplayer free-for-alls, so with just one opponent he'll probably do better. He's a good kid, so no worries there.

Excellent! SSX will be pleased to have some other folks close to his own age. I'm sure your nephew will have fun!

I'm slowly working on some fig repaints, hope to get more done this weekend. Have some new wave 9 heroes I'm fancying up and a maybe a new D&D master set piece or two along with older master set and wave repaints.

Cool .... :drool:

The numbers are done and were sent to production to be added to the tables. How did you want them? email or pm?

Well, I was actually thinking that we should put them up somewhere so everyone else across the country can use them too. Either update your old thread (pointed to in the top post) or just make a new one. I mean, we can share, right? :)

I read the simple/swiss rules and it said that there is usually 5 rounds of play between the 2 players.

Further clarifying boom's clarification, we are very likely to have 6 rounds (meaning 6 games) in this tournament because we have so many participants.

Or is it a battle to the death and then the losing player adds up the damage he did to the victor?

Yes, tournaments are typically kill 'em all games. Although, as I mentioned in a couple of other posts, some other locations are experimenting with variations on that, so perhaps we'll look at being a bit more experimental next year. Maybe.

I mean in a single game, is there 5 rounds of play between the 2 players?

5 rounds as in 15 turns per player per match? and that is the game limit and the winner is who has the majority of there army left on the board?

Or is it 2 random players that play until one players army is dead?

That is where I am getting confussed

I see that other folks already clarified this ... this should really be on the front page somewhere. I'll see if I can work it in.

Your confusion, BTW, is perfectly understandable. It's because we're using the word "round" in two different senses. It has a precise meaning within the game of Heroscape, of course, but we're also talking about the "rounds" of the tournament, by which we mean the games that we'll each play in the tourney. We should prolly use a different term for that one. In your question, you actually referred to these as "matches", which actually is a pretty good term. I think I'll start putting that in the official wording.

[RenMan]

So I finally sat down last night to build out some army possibilities and was very pleased with the outcome. I have 5 nice options that I can choose from once I look over the tournament boards a little more closely.

But of course, I wake up this morning, and look over my emails and realize that the army point total is 520 not 540 - which is what I build my armies too last night. Duh.

Nothing like wasting an hour due to poor memory, bad math, and fatigue!

Looking forward to losing brilliantly to you all (or at least 5 of you) next Saturday.

BTW, I will be bringing other board games to play after the tournament for those that are interested.

RenMan

[BIGJIM]

Looking forward to meet you RenMan and CharosInCharge! RenMan good for you in making your armies! I haven't even look at my card to make my armies or open my wave 9 yet {2+ months setting in the Hasbro box}! Hopefully this Sunday!!!!

[King of the Marro]

I made my army played one game and haven't played since then. Probably been a month...

[Xotli]

I've managed to get one practice game with my primary and one with my backup. Hope to get another with my primary tomorrow!

Okay, we're less than a week away, people! I'm going to start bumping this thread nearly every night at this point.

h3x, I still need the PDF for the nametags ... p'raps I'll drop you a PM.

wnfb, I still need an anwer to this one:

Xotli, I believe RenMan has 2 copies of all of the terrains but 3 of Valhalla and the castle.

Hmmm ... I think I need some clarifications here.

When you say "Valhalla," do you mean RotV? i.e. original master sets?
Does RenMan's terrain need to cover the Highways and Dieways that you already signed up for, or is that separate?

'Cause if it's not separate, I'll probably recommend that you don't choose H&D for one of your maps. It takes 2 RttFF, which is all your forests, and, as I mentioned above to Yaish, almost all the maps need RttFF's.

boom and I are working on the partial scoring sheet.


WE STILL NEED:
People with RttFF to volunteer to bring a map.
I said I would add some more clarifications to the official wording.
Tournament cards: I'll go looking around the forums and see if anyone else has come up with something we could steal.


Looking good people! :)

[Yaish]

Just a quick update. The Turret Rocks map was no sweat, but I am missing a bush on Ticalla Sunrise. If any TJ owners can bring an extra bush we can add it, otherwise it's currently just a green tile.

[Xotli]

Just a quick update. The Turret Rocks map was no sweat, but I am missing a bush on Ticalla Sunrise. If any TJ owners can bring an extra bush we can add it, otherwise it's currently just a green tile.

No problem, I'll toss in a couple extra bushes.


Okay, AFA tournament cards goes, I found these (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/downloads.php?do=file&id=899&act=down). Hardly perfect, but it might be a useful start. Can anyone take a crack at turning this into something a little more useful?

FTM, does anyone know where the cards we used last year came from?

[boom]

Just a quick update. The Turret Rocks map was no sweat, but I am missing a bush on Ticalla Sunrise. If any TJ owners can bring an extra bush we can add it, otherwise it's currently just a green tile.

No problem, I'll toss in a couple extra bushes.


Okay, AFA tournament cards goes, I found these (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/downloads.php?do=file&id=899&act=down). Hardly perfect, but it might be a useful start. Can anyone take a crack at turning this into something a little more useful?

FTM, does anyone know where the cards we used last year came from?

Holy frack, I have the cards from last year on my computer at work.*headslap*

For this two army deal, I'll try to print them up back to back on Tuesday when I'm back at work, but absent that, she we just hand out two cards?

[robbdaman]

I can adjust and print out whatever we may need as well. What are we wanting the sheets to look like? Working every day at the university print shop offers me the opportunity to print out pretty much anything I want, within reason of course. I can even print out some smaller posters for decoration or to help lead the players to the location.

[Xotli]

Holy frack, I have the cards from last year on my computer at work.*headslap*

Ah, that's cool. :)

For this two army deal, I'll try to print them up back to back on Tuesday when I'm back at work, but absent that, she we just hand out two cards?

Well, we could see if we could tweak that slightly ... what format is the document in (i.e. Word, Photoshop, etc)? I could possibly do the tweaking, since that takes much less time than laying it out from scratch.

I can adjust and print out whatever we may need as well. What are we wanting the sheets to look like? Working every day at the university print shop offers me the opportunity to print out pretty much anything I want, within reason of course. I can even print out some smaller posters for decoration or to help lead the players to the location.

Hey, that's awesome. Although, I think the layout bit is the really crucial part right now ... do you have some experience with that sort of stuff?

I believe what we had looked very similar to the old sheets (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/downloads.php?do=file&id=899&act=down) that I found, except that it also had a space to jot down what units were in your army. And I think that the only real adjustment from last year that we need to make is to provide two spaces for your army, since you can bring two armies. Maybe color code them for ease of reference ... primary army could have a red header and backup army could have a blue one, something super simple like that.

But hopefully boom can dig out the sheet from last year when he gets back to work and we can see exactly what we had (wish I'd saved mine!)

[hextr1p]

XOTLI, a quick note to let you know I'll have the name tags to you later today. Sorry for the delay!

[robbdaman]

Well a few rather easy adjustments and this is what I've come up with. I can make whatever changes pretty easily too.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v464/robbdaman/Misc/SSS-2009-Tournament-Sheet-s.gif

[warriorneedsfoodbadly]

Anyone wanting their t-shirt in time for the tournament will need to pay more to expedite their order if they don't order before Tuesday. I received mine Friday, 10/9, after placing the order on Sunday, 10/4. It was shipped on Monday, 10/5.
Also, Xotli, I'll take you up on the whiteboard and card table offers for a tournament HQ.
And boom, you said you could bring some tables/chairs, right?
Anyone else?

[boom]

I've got two tables, but no chairs. I'll bring the tables.

[Yaish]

I can bring a table, probably 48 x 30 or so. It's big enough for one map, cards, and room to roll dice at least.

[Xotli]

XOTLI, a quick note to let you know I'll have the name tags to you later today. Sorry for the delay!

No worries ... sorry for the delay in actually getting the labels. But we're hooked up in PM now, so it's all good.

Well a few rather easy adjustments and this is what I've come up with. I can make whatever changes pretty easily too.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v464/robbdaman/Misc/SSS-2009-Tournament-Sheet-s.gif

Oh, say ... that's nice.

Well, we could eliminate two of the matches ... I'm pretty confident we can say there won't be any more than 6 matches in this tourney. And maybe make the army spaces smaller ... will anyone really have an army with 10 different units in it? I'm mainly trying to see if we can squeeze it down a bit and maybe get two to a page.

Other than that ... I think each army section should have a spot for total points (perhaps up at the top, next to the header, so it doesn't add any vertical space). And the stuff at the bottom ... something's not quite right with it, although I can't totally put my finger on it. I think having three columns (win/lose/tie) for what is essentially one piece of data is unnecessary, but ... maybe it's that you've got nowhere convenient to write down the wins of each of your opponents (that is, you've got a place to write down the total, but nowhere to keep track of the individual numbers as you wander around the room gathering data) ... don't we need that for SoS? I'm just not sure ... someone else with some more tourney experience needs to speak up here. boom maybe?

Also, Xotli, I'll take you up on the whiteboard and card table offers for a tournament HQ.

Right. Man, I need to make myself a list ...

And boom, you said you could bring some tables/chairs, right?
Anyone else?

I don't think I have any folding chairs. I'll ask the smart person in the house (i.e. not me or SSX ;)).

MAP UPDATE
Everyone who said they're bringing a map now has an actual map name next to their name, so that's nice. We have several duplicates, but that's okay. Here's the BoV maps that are not currently being brought:

Ember Canyon Road: Everybody hates this one, so we're not building it.
Embattled Fen: Somebody (or -bodies) hates this one too, so we're not building it either.
Badru Valley: It's a nice map, but the starting zones are very funky, and it requires two RttFFs, which are apparently in short supply, so I made an executive decision and kicked it off the list.
Marr Highway: It's just a funky shape ... I worry that it won't fit on the table one way, and take up too much space the other. So I kicked it out too. :)

That leaves us Broken Skyline and Ruins of Pine Tree Marsh. Now, I just noticed (:duh:) that Pine Tree Marsh only requires the trees from an RttFF, and not really the whole thing. So I'll tell you what: I'll bring the trees if someone else can volunteer to bring the RotV's worth of terrain for the map itself. In fact, if one of our current Turret Rocks providers (that'd be Yaish and WukieSlap) wants to switch to Pine Tree Marsh instead, just so we have one less duplicate map, that'd be awesome.

Broken Skyline is a nice-to-have ... if anyone has both an RttFF and an FotA (plus the requisite RotV, of course), please let us know and we'll put you down for it. But if we don't get it, I won't cry or anything.

And that leaves us only 2 shy of our maximum required. People are already bringing extra terrain, so I suppose we'll probably be covered, but there's always the possibility that all of our maybe's show up and 3 or 4 of us show up with an extra friend that wasn't expected .... So basically what I'm saying that I think I'll stop begging constantly for maps, but I'll still very happily accept map volunteers, just to be safe.

Also, I've removed the requirement for everyone to bring the starting zone page for the maps, because I will be bringing the build instructions for all the maps. JIC someone loses theirs, or their printer is a bit rough-looking, or whatever. Just figured it's nice and safe this way.


(this is primarily for my own benefit)
Stuff I'll be Bringing:

Myself and SSX
My armies and accoutrements; ditto for SSX
Flash Fire (map)
bushes for a TJ (for Yaish's Ticalla Sunrise build)
trees for an RttFF (for someone's Ruins of Pine Tree Marsh build)
build instructions for all the BoV maps we will be using
printed out nametags (thanx h3x!)
whiteboard (plus markers and eraser)
folding table (I'll get you the measurements on this wnfb)


What else am I forgetting guys?

[hextr1p]

Put me down for Broken Skyline.

[Yaish]

In fact, if one of our current Turret Rocks providers (that'd be Yaish and WukieSlap) wants to switch to Pine Tree Marsh instead, just so we have one less duplicate map, that'd be awesome.

I think I might have enough terrain to build it anyway, AND bring the Turret Rocks too. I'll try assembling it tomorrow and let you know.

[BIGJIM]

A lot of good work being done by everyone and it should show by Saturday! Those involved I applaud you!!

[Xotli]

Put me down for Broken Skyline.

Cool. I see wnfb already got there first (as usual!). :)

I think I might have enough terrain to build it anyway, AND bring the Turret Rocks too. I'll try assembling it tomorrow and let you know.

Sounds good.

A lot of good work being done by everyone and it should show by Saturday! Those involved I applaud you!!

Thanx JIM!


Okay, I've updated the official wording (finally) with all the fiddly bits. Everyone can take a look and let me know if you see anything that needs help.

User Targanth sent me the tournament sheet (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/downloads.php?do=file&id=1855&act=down) they're using, originally designed by Codeman. I'm not sure how much there is to steal from this one, but I thought I'd throw it out there JIC.

WE STILL NEED:
Nothing, really.

We look good on maps. robbdaman is working on the tourney cards. boom and I are working out the partial scoring sheet. I think we're pretty darned good ATM.

Thanx to everyone for pitching in! I love it when a plan comes together. And I love a solid community effort. :grouphug:

[hivelord]

You can put my buddy Redhorseman down as a maybe. He should confirm in a couple days.

[Xotli]

You can put my buddy Redhorseman down as a maybe. He should confirm in a couple days.

Added.


(BTW ... up at 5.30?? Crazy, dude! :))

[Skeletor]

Make sure you take lots of pic for those of us who can't make it to the SoCal Slaughter

[robbdaman]

So aside from putting an opponent's win loss record box is there anything else we'd want on the form?

[Yaish]

Just to confirm, I have all three maps together (Ticalla Sunrise, Turret Rocks, and Pinetree Marsh).

Also, I will only be +1 not, two.

[RenMan]

I just prepped the maps for Saturday. As WNFB and I share game materials, here are the maps that we can provide:

As prescribed:
Highways and Dieways (wnfb)
Arctic Divide (wnfb) [normal snow/slippery ice]
Hot Heights (wnfb)

We can also make one more map:
Sidewinder - (just in case we need it.)

See you all there.

[Xotli]

So aside from putting an opponent's win loss record box is there anything else we'd want on the form?

Nothing that I can think of ... but, honestly, I'd like to hear from boom or ODB.

Just to confirm, I have all three maps together (Ticalla Sunrise, Turret Rocks, and Pinetree Marsh).

Excellent!

Also, I will only be +1 not, two.

Updated.

I just prepped the maps for Saturday. As WNFB and I share game materials, here are the maps that we can provide:

As prescribed:
Highways and Dieways (wnfb)
Arctic Divide (wnfb) [normal snow/slippery ice]
Hot Heights (wnfb)

We can also make one more map:
Sidewinder - (just in case we need it.)

See you all there.

Sounds good RenMan!!



Stuff I'll be Bringing: (updated)

Myself and SSX
My armies and accoutrements; ditto for SSX
Flash Fire (map)
bushes for a TJ (for Yaish's Ticalla Sunrise build)
trees for an RttFF (for Yaish's Ruins of Pine Tree Marsh build)
build instructions for all the BoV maps we will be using
printed out nametags (thanx h3x!)
whiteboard (plus markers and eraser)
folding table (looks like about 2ft by 3ft)
snacks
drinks


Folding-chair-wise, we've got two "camp" chairs ... you know, the ones you sit in around the pool, and they collapse into like a cylinder? Those kind. Anyway, you sit a bit low in them, but they're functional ... should we bring 'em?

[warriorneedsfoodbadly]

Please, go ahead and bring them. I believe Detrimentalman can bring a table or two that should make things work for all of the maps, food, prizes, etc. but we could still use about 10 more chairs.
Thank you.

[hivelord]

Turns out Redhorseman can't make it. Sorry to go back and forth lie that.

[boom]

So aside from putting an opponent's win loss record box is there anything else we'd want on the form?

Nothing that I can think of ... but, honestly, I'd like to hear from boom or ODB.

I found the player cards from last year and I'll shoot 'em over to you, X.

Basically what we had was your name and total SoS (which you'd figure out at the end) at the top.

Lines for you army list with a points box after each line so the values of your squads/heroes are obvious.

Lines for 5 rounds (though we may need 6) where you would record if it was a win/loss or bye, opponents name, your losing points and opponents SoS (which again, we'd all get at the end).

We counted byes as a win last year. You only worry about losing points (the total number of points you destroyed for that game) if you lose. Winners just check off the round as a win. The winner obviously had the most wins. Tiebreakers in order were SoS, losing points then a d20 roll.

Hope that helps.

[robbdaman]

Hey Boom (or Xotli), can you just post it here so i can take a look and see if there's anything I may want to add to the form?

[boom]

Hey Boom (or Xotli), can you just post it here so i can take a look and see if there's anything I may want to add to the form?

I'm hoping Xotli can. Sadly, that type of stuff is beyond me. I can, however, post pictures. Here's the trophies for Saturday's event:

Champion
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w24/boomgoose/NHSD_champion.jpg

Runner Up
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w24/boomgoose/NHSD_runnerup.jpg

uh.... rearguard
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w24/boomgoose/NHSD_rearguard.jpg

[Xotli]

Please, go ahead and bring them. ...

Okay, I'll add it to my list.

Turns out Redhorseman can't make it. Sorry to go back and forth lie that.

No worries! Updated.

I found the player cards from last year and I'll shoot 'em over to you, X.

Got 'em.

Hey Boom (or Xotli), can you just post it here so i can take a look and see if there's anything I may want to add to the form?

Here ya go. (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/downloads.php?do=file&id=1858&act=down) It's a PowerPoint file (hopefully that's no biggie for you), but I had to zip it because .PPT isn't an allowed extension in our downloads area (for whatever reason).

Here's the trophies for Saturday's event:

Very nice boom! Did you make those yourself? Awesome!


Stuff I'll be Bringing: (updated)

Myself and SSX
My armies and accoutrements; ditto for SSX
Flash Fire (map)
bushes for a TJ (for Yaish's Ticalla Sunrise build)
trees for an RttFF (for Yaish's Ruins of Pine Tree Marsh build)
build instructions for all the BoV maps we will be using
printed out nametags (thanx h3x!)
whiteboard (plus markers and eraser)
folding table (looks like about 2ft by 3ft)
camp chairs (2)
snacks
drinks

[warriorneedsfoodbadly]

Lov'n the trophies, boom!

Unfortunately, Sherman Way will be under construction for the next month and it is more important now than before to try and carpool since we've lost some of the parking spaces. The side street parking will be more in demand.

[boom]

Very nice boom! Did you make those yourself? Awesome!


Nah, I just sprayed the figures and took them to a trophy store to attach to a cup.

[Xotli]

Unfortunately, Sherman Way will be under construction for the next month and it is more important now than before to try and carpool since we've lost some of the parking spaces. The side street parking will be more in demand.

Good tip, wnfb.

Nah, I just sprayed the figures and took them to a trophy store to attach to a cup.

Well, looks like they still came out pretty nice. :)


(Trying to keep this updated so I don't forget anything. People can mostly ignore this, although wnfb may want to glance through it.)

Stuff I'll be Bringing: (updated even more)

Myself and SSX
My armies and accoutrements; ditto for SSX
Flash Fire (map)
bushes for a TJ (for Yaish's Ticalla Sunrise build)
trees for an RttFF (for Yaish's Ruins of Pine Tree Marsh build)
build instructions for all the BoV maps we will be using
printed out nametags (thanx h3x!) [printed out and ready to go]
prize table contribution
whiteboard (plus markers and eraser)
folding table (looks like about 2ft by 3ft)
camp chairs (2)
snacks
drinks

[boom]

WNFB, check your PM's ASAP!

[Xn F M]

boom, those trophies are sweet, thanks for getting those made.

On an unrelated note, is anybody else "rolling all skulls" just in time for the big day? ;)

[King of the Marro]

I might be needing a ride I just found out. I'm down in Mission Viejo if anyone is passing that way.

[BIGJIM]

Boom the trophies are great!!!You A #1!!

[SlikkRikk]

This is going to be crazy!

[robbdaman]

This is going to be crazy!

CRAZY!!!!

:woot: :johnwoo::boxing::hump::chainsaw::fencing::blowup::woot:

[boom]

Oh yes, its going to be another epic SoCal gathering.

Folks, please bring your dice towers for the tournament. We'll probably have multiple maps on tables and nothings worse than your die flying across the adjacent map. Heck, bring a cigar box or bowl to roll into. It will definitely help.

Also, pack lightly. No need to bring your entire collection. We always seem to run into missing/mixed up stuff so to alleviate that problem, less is more.

Other than that, get ready for a crankin' time. It'll be great to see you all again.

[Detrimentalman]

How many tables am I responsible for exactly hehe? I have to double check to make sure I can borrow them.

[Xotli]

Partial scoring sheet is now linked in the top post of the partial scoring thread, which is in turn linked from the top post of this thread. Take a look at the sheet and tell me if it needs any adjustment.

How many of those sheets should I print out? We just need a couple, right?

Oh, and don't miss KotM's plea for a ride, people.

[WukieSlap]

Hi guys. I'm really excited for my first NHSD! I'd like to bring a few fliers to pass out about a convention a friend is running in San Diego in April, but wanted to check here to see if that would be alright. I'll be running the Heroscape tournaments and events at the convention so i figured people would be interested. Let me know. Here's the site:

http://www.kingdom-con.com/

[boom]

Hi guys. I'm really excited for my first NHSD! I'd like to bring a few fliers to pass out about a convention a friend is running in San Diego in April, but wanted to check here to see if that would be alright. I'll be running the Heroscape tournaments and events at the convention so i figured people would be interested. Let me know. Here's the site:

http://www.kingdom-con.com/

I say bring 'em. Going south for a road trip in April sounds like a plan.8)

Prize support from Housemouse is on hand. Prize support from WargamersHQ is enroute directly to WNFB's pad and should (hopefully) be there by Saturday.

Thanks for posting the scoring sheet, Xotli.

See everyone in two.

[Xotli]

(Trying to keep this updated so I don't forget anything. People can mostly ignore this, except: wnfb should keep an eye on it pay attention to anything red)

Stuff I'll be Bringing: (updated yet again)

Myself and SSX
My armies and accoutrements; ditto for SSX
Flash Fire (map)
bushes for a TJ (for Yaish's Ticalla Sunrise build)
trees for an RttFF (for Yaish's Ruins of Pine Tree Marsh build)
build instructions for all the BoV maps we will be using [printed out, paginated, marked, and ready to go]
printed out nametags (thanx h3x!) [printed out and ready to go]
partial scoring sheets (how many of these?)
prize table contribution [picked out and ready to go]
whiteboard (plus markers and eraser)
folding table (looks like about 2ft by 3ft)
camp chairs (2)
snacks
drinks



2 more days ... I hope I'm ready ...

[boom]

How about a scoring sheet per map?

[hivelord]

Bad news guys. Due to a long series of complications which I wont even begin to go into, but which involve my having to write over ten pages this weekend, I am no longer able to attend. The pop will still be going to bring maps and represent in my absence. If it goes anything like last year, he would place at exactly the same spot as me anyway. Again, I'm really sorry guys. I've been looking forward to this tourney for ages and I really regret not being able to go.

[BIGJIM]

Sorry to here about that Hivelord but school comes first! We will get together somewhere down the line at another tourney! Best of luck on the paper you have to write.