Wave 10 Question about Cards

[Dragonranger]

Well now that we're getting looks at Wave 10's Reprints, a question has been floating in my mind. Are they re-titling the "Set" on the reprints. For example, Nerak had a 1/1 for his 'Set' which I believe was Raknar's Expedition or something of this nature (my cards arn't here with me at work.) Will Set 10's Nerak keep the Raknar's Expedition set name or will they change it to be part of the "Special Wave 10" Set name?

[Cavalier]

Well now that we're getting looks at Wave 10's Reprints, a question has been floating in my mind. Are they re-titling the "Set" on the reprints. For example, Nerak had a 1/1 for his 'Set' which I believe was Raknar's Expedition or something of this nature (my cards arn't here with me at work.) Will Set 10's Nerak keep the Raknar's Expedition set name or will they change it to be part of the "Special Wave 10" Set name?
We do not know for certain, but Truth indicated that he thinks they will keep the same text, etc. as previous releases.

[quadraphonic]

Would that make them virtually indistinguishable from the promos then? Are are there still some identifying traits?

[joeiscool12]

I'm sure that they will have a new text from the promos, because it has to reflect the new Wave 10 set name.

[Dragonranger]

See that means for my 'completist' nature, I gotta still find the 'con' versions... much to my horror. But I personally assume they will be identical carded, which'd mean bad things for those who already have them

[Matt Helm]

I'm sure that they will have a new text from the promos, because it has to reflect the new Wave 10 set name.

I'm going to guess just the opposite here. Part of the "Special" is that it is a collection of other waves. I would think that the cards would read exactly as they did in the past.

The only odd factor would be the Rockheads and Kongs who will have to have the new wording.

It will be interesting to see which way they go. But if they wanted to waste the effort on changing cards, then why go as far as to include the snow tiles in the Wave 5 reprints? By keeping the snow tiles, I would think that they are trying to replicate the exact product available during wave 5.

They did change the wording on the outside packaging obviously so we'lll just have to see.

[Lank281]

I hope they change the text on the GenCon Promo figs cards. It would be unfair to have everyone who went through extraordinary lengths to get their figures by making them (as Quadraphonic said) undistinguishable. I will admit that I've never had the means to get ahold of a GenCon Promo, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have respect towards those who did.

However, I hope that they do keep the text the same on the Collection 5 cards. I have somewhat of a completist in me as well, (although I'm no longer worried for the GenCon Promos anymore, I'd rather have an official substitute rather than a custom one,) I'm already stocked up on Wave 5 commons. I don't want to feel obligated to buy more. And I'm going to feel obligated when I have cards that read:
"Valkrill's Gambit 1, 2, 3/25"
"Valkrill's Gambit 4, 5, 6/25"
"Valkrill's Gambit 21, 22, 23/25"
"Valkrill's Gambit 24/25"
and "Valkrill's Gambit 25/25"

I wouldn't be able to take that 7-20 gap. I know I could buy only one of each of the the two packs, but it's the principle of of the thing.

[Cavalier]

I hope they change the text on the GenCon Promo figs cards. It would be unfair to have everyone who went through extraordinary lengths to get their figures by making them (as Quadraphonic said) undistinguishable. I will admit that I've never had the means to get ahold of a GenCon Promo, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have respect towards those who did.

However, I hope that they do keep the text the same on the Collection 5 cards. I have somewhat of a completist in me as well, (although I'm no longer worried for the GenCon Promos anymore, I'd rather have an official substitute rather than a custom one,) I'm already stocked up on Wave 5 commons. I don't want to feel obligated to buy more. And I'm going to feel obligated when I have cards that read:
"Valkrill's Gambit 1, 2, 3/25"
"Valkrill's Gambit 4, 5, 6/25"
"Valkrill's Gambit 21, 22, 23/25"
"Valkrill's Gambit 24/25"
and "Valkrill's Gambit 25/25"

I wouldn't be able to take that 7-20 gap. I know I could buy only one of each of the the two packs, but it's the principle of of the thing.
Sounds kinda hypocritical, doesn't it? I want it changed on the x but not on y...

[Lank281]

I hope they change the text on the GenCon Promo figs cards. It would be unfair to have everyone who went through extraordinary lengths to get their figures by making them (as Quadraphonic said) undistinguishable. I will admit that I've never had the means to get ahold of a GenCon Promo, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have respect towards those who did.

However, I hope that they do keep the text the same on the Collection 5 cards. I have somewhat of a completist in me as well, (although I'm no longer worried for the GenCon Promos anymore, I'd rather have an official substitute rather than a custom one,) I'm already stocked up on Wave 5 commons. I don't want to feel obligated to buy more. And I'm going to feel obligated when I have cards that read:
"Valkrill's Gambit 1, 2, 3/25"
"Valkrill's Gambit 4, 5, 6/25"
"Valkrill's Gambit 21, 22, 23/25"
"Valkrill's Gambit 24/25"
and "Valkrill's Gambit 25/25"

I wouldn't be able to take that 7-20 gap. I know I could buy only one of each of the the two packs, but it's the principle of of the thing.
Sounds kinda hypocritical, doesn't it? I want it changed on the x but not on y...
Yeah, it kind of is, isn't it. :( I'm sorry, I guess I was trying to find a way to make GenCon goers happy along with myself. You're right... I'll try to be more considerate of everyone rather than a particular group and myself. Once again, I'm sorry.

EDIT: Wow, I lost one of my bars, haven't I? Oh well.

[Kepler]

Anyone that is unhappy that the promos are being released to everyone really needs to get a life. And I am sorry if your sickness forced you to pay $50-100 for any of these promos (okay I am really not sorry about that :) ).

[Cavalier]

Anyone that is unhappy that the promos are being released to everyone really needs to get a life. And I am sorry if your sickness forced you to pay $50-100 for any of these promos (okay I am really not sorry about that :) ).
/sign, QFT, Amen...

[bjmorga]

Speaking as a casual gamer, I think the re-releases are excellent because there are those of us who just can't justify going to Gen-Con just to pick up a figure or buy one for a mortgage payment via e-Bay. This is bringing democracy to the masses! :)

[Dragonranger]

I agree that the re-releases are excellent and I do need them, I just hoped that I could trade 2 extra Neraks I got at the TRU Promo they ran (wish they'd have done more of those!) for the couple con figs I couldn't get. I had a friend get me last year's promo, and as far as I know there is no promo this year otherwise everyone'd be talking about that. With the release of this set, all I'd need is Master Wu Chin to get all of the con promos and thus have a 'truly complete' set, AS LONG as the cards are marked as they were when released. IF they change the titles on them, this allows collectors to have their 'one of each' since the figure and stats are the same, and still have the 'original editions' be of value because they have the original collector card.

[Jaz1597]

I'll be honest. I paid eBay prices for my Nerak, Hawthorne and EOV. If the new versions are distinguishable from the old ones (enough so that compulsive collectors still want them), I might be willing to trade away my originals. Just sayin...

[Dragonranger]

I might be interested in those as a completist. Now I just need Master Wu Chin.

[MKSentinel]

Speaking as someone who spent the money on ebay and had friends track these down at Gencon, I say WTF? At least I don't have to worry about buying Wave 10 now! This makes me bitter.

Thinking about this a bit and the search engine won't let me search "10", what IS getting reprinted in the set? Feel free to give me a decent link.

[Boromir_and_kermit]

Wave 10 is great news for us Aussies who had no chance of getting them besides selling a kidney on ebay (which I hate doing).

I understand how people that had these already may feel a bit miffed, but I think its for the greater good.

[Cavalier]

Speaking as someone who spent the money on ebay and had friends track these down at Gencon, I say WTF? At least I don't have to worry about buying Wave 10 now! This makes me bitter.

Thinking about this a bit and the search engine won't let me search "10", what IS getting reprinted in the set? Feel free to give me a decent link.
Wave 10 News and speculation thread (http://heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=26267)
Pics of Wave 10 from Gencon (http://heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=26470)

From the front page:
Special Collection 10 - A Journey of Discovery (http://heroscapers.com/community/blog.php?b=904)
Wave 10 - Clearing up the Confusion (http://heroscapers.com/community/blog.php?b=905)
Wave 10 Images from GenCon (http://heroscapers.com/community/blog.php?b=909)

[Creationist]

Also, not all of the Heroscape following is on this site. Before, most of the players haven't even seen those exclusives. This isnt just for the die-hard Hsers on this site, its for all of the Heroscape players.

[Retlaw]

I talked with theGuru at Gencon and he said the cards and figures would be identical to the originals with one exception that they would all have "Valkrill's Gambit" on the back instead of the original expansion name.

So, if you paided big bucks for the figure and card off of Epay, you still have a "rare" figure/card combination.

[wolfeman1968]

When I first starting playing Heroscape back when it first came out and I have been getting all the expansions as they came out (except glacier). I seem to recall reading somewhere that Heroscape is NOT a collectable game (like D&D minis) you know what you get and there is not a super rare figure in every 1,000 packages and they make enough of them that it is not intended as collectors items....it is meant to played not sit on a shelf being protected from dust.

With that said, I read once that the Makers of Heroscape intend to keep release the figures and making it so everyone has a chance to get figures (I am still waiting to see when they will release the flag bearers again). So expect to see those hard to get figures and with a little patience they will release figures again. So unless you just GOTTA HAVE IT NOW!!!! Then you may pay an arm..2 legs and a torso for a figure, only to find out next year you can get it for $19.99 at House Mouse.

[Onacara]

Speaking as a casual gamer, I think the re-releases are excellent because there are those of us who just can't justify going to Gen-Con just to pick up a figure or buy one for a mortgage payment via e-Bay. This is bringing democracy to the masses! :)

Wow your mortgage payment is only $200?????

I gotta call your lender.

[Warlord Alpha]

Speaking as a casual gamer, I think the re-releases are excellent because there are those of us who just can't justify going to Gen-Con just to pick up a figure or buy one for a mortgage payment via e-Bay. This is bringing democracy to the masses! :)

Wow your mortgage payment is only $200?????

I gotta call your lender.

The interest will add up though. You would be paying a lot more.

/killjoy

Also, :pirate:.

[MKSentinel]

I talked with theGuru at Gencon and he said the cards and figures would be identical to the originals with one exception that they would all have "Valkrill's Gambit" on the back instead of the original expansion name.

So, if you paided big bucks for the figure and card off of Epay, you still have a "rare" figure/card combination.

Retlaw, this is good news. Haven't had time to dig through all the info on this yet. I'd prefer some NEW repaints, but if we have to get redos, then this makes me feel a bit better about it.

[Sokol]

Speaking as a casual gamer, I think the re-releases are excellent because there are those of us who just can't justify going to Gen-Con just to pick up a figure or buy one for a mortgage payment via e-Bay. This is bringing democracy to the masses! :)

Wow your mortgage payment is only $200?????

I gotta call your lender.

Bjmorga's mortgage is probably on some Marro-infested swamp land in Valhalla. :D

[CriesJuggernaut]

Speaking as a casual gamer, I think the re-releases are excellent because there are those of us who just can't justify going to Gen-Con just to pick up a figure or buy one for a mortgage payment via e-Bay. This is bringing democracy to the masses! :)

Wow your mortgage payment is only $200?????

I gotta call your lender.

Bjmorga's mortgage is probably on some Marro-infested swamp land in Valhalla. :D

Heroscape joke at someone else's expense?? Check!

[Junge Roman]

I'll just be glad to get real cards versus the ones I printed. Now I just have to repaint my repaints to their original colors. Oh, the challenges in life...

[CanScape]

I talked with theGuru at Gencon and he said the cards and figures would be identical to the originals with one exception that they would all have "Valkrill's Gambit" on the back instead of the original expansion name.

So, if you paided big bucks for the figure and card off of Epay, you still have a "rare" figure/card combination.

I certainly hope this is what happens. I collected the Gencon figures off ebay, and while I paid somewhat less than the going price, they were obviously expensive.

I would not have done so if I could have forseen what was going to happen with Wave 10. I think it's a good thing, overall, though...much better to have those great figures out and about!

A change in the cards is the right thing to do, IMO. I have all my Gencons sealed in their original plastic baggies, which at least to me gives them a more collectible feel.

There's no reason to 'not' give the new cards the new wave naming on the cards. As for the repainted creatures from the snow and lava sets, they're going to have to be reprinted anyway.

While I understand Heroscape isn't meant to be a 'collectible' game, that's just not the way things have turned out. Just go to ebay and try to find 'reasonably' priced waves that are out of print (even recently available waves, like Wave 2). And of course, now the EOVs can be had for 20 bux vs the 40-50 bux they fetched only a few months ago. Not sure what it did to Hawthorne, but I'm assuming it'll be similar. And proving you have an original Hawthorne over the wave 10?...impossible without the original plastic holder (watch plastic holders become the next hot thing on ebay!).

I assume the only reason that players would want the 'original' cards to go with their repainted figures is to let them feel that they have an original figure, which they do not. So what's the point of having that card?...having new cards is a win for everybody, it allows those with the first issue to still have something somewhat rare yet allows new players to acquire those same figures to enjoy.

I also hope they re-release Woo and Skahen again, in whatever manner.

[Cavalier]

I talked with theGuru at Gencon and he said the cards and figures would be identical to the originals with one exception that they would all have "Valkrill's Gambit" on the back instead of the original expansion name.

So, if you paided big bucks for the figure and card off of Epay, you still have a "rare" figure/card combination.

I certainly hope this is what happens. I collected the Gencon figures off ebay, and while I paid somewhat less than the going price, they were obviously expensive.

I would not have done so if I could have forseen what was going to happen with Wave 10. I think it's a good thing, overall, though...much better to have those great figures out and about!

A change in the cards is the right thing to do, IMO. I have all my Gencons sealed in their original plastic baggies, which at least to me gives them a more collectible feel.

There's no reason to 'not' give the new cards the new wave naming on the cards. As for the repainted creatures from the snow and lava sets, they're going to have to be reprinted anyway.

While I understand Heroscape isn't meant to be a 'collectible' game, that's just not the way things have turned out. Just go to ebay and try to find 'reasonably' priced waves that are out of print (even recently available waves, like Wave 2). And of course, now the EOVs can be had for 20 bux vs the 40-50 bux they fetched only a few months ago. Not sure what it did to Hawthorne, but I'm assuming it'll be similar. And proving you have an original Hawthorne over the wave 10?...impossible without the original plastic holder (watch plastic holders become the next hot thing on ebay!).

I assume the only reason that players would want the 'original' cards to go with their repainted figures is to let them feel that they have an original figure, which they do not. So what's the point of having that card?...having new cards is a win for everybody, it allows those with the first issue to still have something somewhat rare yet allows new players to acquire those same figures to enjoy.

I also hope they re-release Woo and Skahen again, in whatever manner.
But why should this be a considration at all for WotC? The secondary market is of zero concern and grants zero return for them. As an owner of every exclusive except Hawthorne, I hope that the cards are the same.

[CanScape]

Rather than quote my long post (gotta work on that!), I have a question for you: What benefit is it to you to have that card when a) you didn't get one at Gencon and b) you didn't pay for one on the secondary market?

Although I know I won't sell my Gencon Hawthorne, it's still nice to know he's an original, and therefore, worthy of some type of value. If WoTC reprints the original cards, then the only folks getting 'screwed' are those who were at Gencon, or people like me who picked them up on ebay.

Personally, the monetary value isn't anything to me. I just like to collect, and having THE Hawthorne is something I wanted to have.

What's the point of reprinting the cards as they were for Hawthorne's Return? I can't see any. Those who buy them through Wave 10 still don't have the original, and it truly destroys any uniqueness of the Gencon exclusivity. To me, everybody loses.

But if they mark the cards as Wave 10, then the players are happy because they get to actually play with a legit Hawthorne, and the collectors are happy because they still have an exclusive (still diminished as now you have less demand).

Reprinting the cards exactly, IMO, would make me feel like a dumbass for paying for an ebay Hawthorne. I can only speak for myself, of course. There was no indication of such a reprint in the summer, so it was only natural to acquire one the only way available via ebay. So while I'm still buying the expansion anyway, it's nice to know they'll change up the cards.

After all this, I realize it's not any different from the EOV, or any individual boosters on ebay that get re-released...even the Castles, to a point. They were being sold for 50 USD a pack on ebay in the spring, only to have a huge amount available in the summer, reducing the value to 15 USD in some cases. I guess it's just the way things are.

[Cavalier]

Rather than quote my long post (gotta work on that!), I have a question for you: What benefit is it to you to have that card when a) you didn't get one at Gencon and b) you didn't pay for one on the secondary market?

Although I know I won't sell my Gencon Hawthorne, it's still nice to know he's an original, and therefore, worthy of some type of value. If WoTC reprints the original cards, then the only folks getting 'screwed' are those who were at Gencon, or people like me who picked them up on ebay.

Personally, the monetary value isn't anything to me. I just like to collect, and having THE Hawthorne is something I wanted to have.

What's the point of reprinting the cards as they were for Hawthorne's Return? I can't see any. Those who buy them through Wave 10 still don't have the original, and it truly destroys any uniqueness of the Gencon exclusivity. To me, everybody loses.

But if they mark the cards as Wave 10, then the players are happy because they get to actually play with a legit Hawthorne, and the collectors are happy because they still have an exclusive (still diminished as now you have less demand).

Reprinting the cards exactly, IMO, would make me feel like a dumbass for paying for an ebay Hawthorne. I can only speak for myself, of course. There was no indication of such a reprint in the summer, so it was only natural to acquire one the only way available via ebay. So while I'm still buying the expansion anyway, it's nice to know they'll change up the cards.

After all this, I realize it's not any different from the EOV, or any individual boosters on ebay that get re-released...even the Castles, to a point. They were being sold for 50 USD a pack on ebay in the spring, only to have a huge amount available in the summer, reducing the value to 15 USD in some cases. I guess it's just the way things are.
The reason isn't for me. I couldn't care less, I have all but one of the exclusives already. I may be a jerk (I've been called worse), but part of it is that second bolded section; just because of the stink people have made about how they paid $*** dollars for the figs and now this is diminishing their investment.

[DWK9000]

As a person who has an actual Master Woo and Nurak i say let everyone have them. Nerak kinda stinks anyways imo but as an avid player of master woo I really think everyone should have a shot at getting him. I payed $70 for my Woo back in the day and I have used him alot. I didn't pay the money to have him collect dust. What I justify as worth the secondary market is how much it gets used. And I have to say I got my 70 bucks worth of woo. But being exclusive kinda makes Aquilla weaker due to the fact he is one of her 4 main heros lol. I do have a completist in me but the card titles and set names don't mean squat to me if WOTC decide to change the card set names from the gencon releases then so be it. As long as I have an actual figure and card I am happy. For Hawthorn the secondary market price and the abilities on the card turned me away from ever getting him lol. As for Skahen I looked at the announcement then at my 5 extra nakita squads, busted out the paints and printed off a readable pdf pic and bam I got the agent. Bak to hawthorne I really do like his shield design and I could never repaint that and I only have 2 squads of nights so I am all for the hero pack. As for the EOV I got the master set from back in the day. I think the next big pack or packs should be the flag bearers 3 per pack meaning give Aquilla some Flag Bearer love lol.

[Sherman Davies]

I collected the Gencon figures off ebay, and while I paid somewhat less than the going price, they were obviously expensive.

I would not have done so if I could have forseen what was going to happen with Wave 10.

I dunno, but isn't that called "life?" None of us can see the future, after all - so what? Ya pays yer money and ya takes yer chances.

I gotta agree with Cav on this one. I'm not a collector, and am perfectly happy with my repaints of Hawthorne, Nerak and Skahen. I originally couldn't care less whether Wave 10's cards were identical to the GenCon promos or not, but all the collectors wanting to maintain the "elite" nature of their collections has made me want Wave 10's cards to be exactly the same.

[Jaz1597]

Nerak kinda stinks anyways imo
Seriously?

I agree with the rest of what you said. I do think the exclusives should be made available to everyone. I have no opinion on the cards...

[DWK9000]

Let me rephrase that again he doesn't stink in fact he is very tactically sound for orc palyers I just don't like orcs as a D&D players orcs are designed to be killed by everything else :D. I have used him but I just don't like orcs :D. So instead of the long winded explanation I just say stinks instead :D Sorry for any confusion on my part :oops:

[CanScape]

I collected the Gencon figures off ebay, and while I paid somewhat less than the going price, they were obviously expensive.

I would not have done so if I could have forseen what was going to happen with Wave 10.

I dunno, but isn't that called "life?" None of us can see the future, after all - so what? Ya pays yer money and ya takes yer chances.

I gotta agree with Cav on this one. I'm not a collector, and am perfectly happy with my repaints of Hawthorne, Nerak and Skahen. I originally couldn't care less whether Wave 10's cards were identical to the GenCon promos or not, but all the collectors wanting to maintain the "elite" nature of their collections has made me want Wave 10's cards to be exactly the same.

I guess that when ya collect, ya collect. I could obviously afford to buy them, or else I wouldn't have. Like you say, ya takes yer chances. It would be different if somebody was simply buying the exclusives for their 'worth'...then I'd be truly ticked, but again...Heroscape was never intended to be collectible in the first place.

You all can understand why someone would pay inflated rates for sets like the tundra, and the lava. They're just too cool NOT to have! I picked up mine, again on ebay, but worked the costs down as much as I could through multiples. The only 'problem' I have with collecting such sets are that many of these boxed sealed sets are taking up space in a closet somewhere with hopes of rising in value. That's a true waste...and, I might add, a lame investment to boot.

[Retlaw]

... but all the collectors wanting to maintain the "elite" nature of their collections has made me want Wave 10's cards to be exactly the same.

So wouldn't that make you about as bad as them? To paraphrase: I don't like your elitest attitude, so I hope your figures lose value.

Two wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left. :)

I prefer that they do have the different wave title on the cards -- that way people who want the figures to play in games can get them at a reasonable cost and people who want something "special" can still have their promo/exclusive cards that are different. Seems like both sides are happy.

Originally, I was in the "don't re-issue camp", but not because of I have them you don't attitude, but because the promos aren't really useful in games (well, Nerak does see use in Orc armies, but the rest see little if any play time in our local games), and I would have preferred new figures to re-issues. But as is, I'm happy we are getting more releases.

[Sherman Davies]

... but all the collectors wanting to maintain the "elite" nature of their collections has made me want Wave 10's cards to be exactly the same.

So wouldn't that make you about as bad as them? To paraphrase: I don't like your elitest attitude, so I hope your figures lose value.

Actually, it's more like, "Your public hand-wringing about the collectability of your plastic army men is really irritating me, so I hope WotC's decision irritates you right back." ;)

Yeah, it's a little jerky of me but dammit, that collector's mentality just really rubs me the wrong way sometimes. Comes from working in a comic shop and watching people spend hours picking out The Perfect Copy, I guess.

[Just_a_Bill]

But why should this be a considration at all for WotC? The secondary market is of zero concern and grants zero return for them.
On the face of it this seems to make sense, but actually that's a common misconception. It may or may not be of zero concern (I can't actually tell whether WotC pays any attention or not; it's hibernation season for the telepathic symbiotes that inhabit my neck meat) — but the secondary market probably does grant at least some return to them.

For one thing, a healthy secondary market for any "collectible" commodity (and by that I don't mean blind purchase, I just mean any interconnected system of things that they keep making more and more of) drives speculation and hoarding, and facilitates reselling.

Because of the secondary market, I buy extra packs to sell — in whole or separated into parts — on eBay to defray the costs of the packs I keep myself. This makes more product available to a wider audience and increases WotC's sales.

A very small amount of the extra product I buy I store away, speculating that a time will come when it is more rare and sells for a higher price. Thus I buy more than I need to, and sell it later at a time when it cannot even cannibalize other sales for the manufacturer.

Without a secondary market, some or all of those additional sales would not occur. Now, I'm talking about the SM in general, and you're probably thinking sure, but we were talking about the GenCon promos, dillweed. And you'd be right (though I'm more of a tumbleweed). Still, I believe there is an effect on revenue.

Once the knowledge of the GenCon promos and their value exists within the player/collector base, people begin to seek those figures out (and in multiple). They go to GenCon and get one for themselves, one for a buddy, and as many more as they can to sell or trade. Some portion of those sales and trades results in additional revenue for the manufacturer: I might buy more product to trade you for your extra promo, or I might buy more to sell on eBay so I can purchase your extra promo. Not everyone does this, but some do. Is the effect significant or negligible? I don't know how to measure that, but I know it exists at some level.

Finally, we have to consider the financial value of exposure. The fact that a $100+ figure even exists in the first place gets people's attention. It can, alone or in aggregate with other experiences, convince a potential player that Scape is not just a kid's game, or cause the FLGS to consider stocking (or expanding) the line.

I'm not saying any of this factored into WotC's decision; it might or might not have. But I don't think it's ever wise to cavalierly casually destroy the secondary market for any product. Speaking as a person who has never owned, touched, or even inhaled the petroleumesque bouquet of a real Hawthorne or Nerak, I'm just fine with them preserving the identity of the originals in some small way. It bothers my OCD completist chromosome somewhat (yes, I have an entire extra chromosome for that; it's creepy), but I think it's a good thing to do for those who do own them.

[Oliver Upshaw]

I would just like to point out that the FAQ from last August stated that WOTC was looking at ways to make the exclusives widely available. So anyone who spent large sums on those figs after that date and is now complaining about their re-release would seem to be mad that WOTC did not lie to them. Now I got into Heroscape a little bit before Thanksgiving of 2008. I was having so much fun collecting the Wave 2,3,6,7 and 8 that I did not really understand the impossiblity of finding Wave 1,4,5,VW,TT,FOTC, flagbearers and exclusives at a decent price. Had I known the state of flux that HS was in at that time I might have passed on the game as I have never really gotten into the collectable game scene. Give me a game where I can buy what I want, and only that, not a lot of junk in hopes of finding a good rare playing piece.

Now I have gone the ebay route for some of what I own, but that is more of me not wanting to wait for a re-release than a thinking that something was gone for good. I paid $27-$40 for three of the exclusives even knowing that WOTC was trying to make a mass re-release of them available, because I wanted to play with the figs now not in a few months and because they boosted figs that I already owned. I did not get Sir Hawthorne as I was unwilling to spend $100 on a fig that did not grant any special ability to other figs and might revolt on me if I used him. The other figs have given me good service in the meantime. Several people have posted that it was very hard to get the exclusives and that they should be "rewarded" for going to Gencon and getting them by making the rest of us not be able to have the figs. But I saw one person auctioning off on Ebay right before Gencon this year THREE Sir Hawthorne's still in their plastic bags. They got $300+ for cheating whatever system was in place to limit the distribution to one per player and then not even using the figs. I would also bet good money that the person behind the auction kept a FOURTH Sir Hawthorne for his own personnel collection. Now I do not care what the back of the card says as long as the front of the card's stats match those of the original release.

[CanScape]

Good points made by all. I laughed out loud when I read the "plastic army men"..seriously, at the end of the day (and I apologize if some don't see the humour in this), isn't that what we're all doing?

I only started collecting Scape last January, after having ROTV and Orm's Return in my closet for close to four years...only after having a great experience with the game and some friends who thought the game was amazing did the collecting begin. I remember seeing the boosters from the first wave in my FLGS and I saw the prices...I did the math and realized what kind of expenses would be required to collect 'everything' and I said no thanks.

Now I'm in way over my head and I'm having a great time collecting!...I haven't paid stupid prices, well...other than Hawthorne but even then I got him a little less than the going price at the time.

I can understand the whole (laughable) elitist attitude toward collecting the gencon figures. But when a major point of your argument is taking pleasure in seeing someone lose value on what they paid for, then that's not cool.

It sounds like they're going to make the Wave 10 cards different and that's good...however, it's still going to destroy any value to Hawthornes out there from Gencon because it will most likely be impossible to tell the difference between the old vs new...other than, as I mentioned prior, the plastic figure holder and the sealed baggie, and the card. If Heroscape were a truly collectible game in certain terms, then why wouldn't this card be going up for auction on ebay?

Perhaps it will, but I doubt it...simply for the reason that the people who are out there making bids on Volcarrens, Tundras, Gencon exclusives...they're PLAYERS and want these to actually use. And I'm certain a lot of these sellers are HS players themselves. The only reason I haven't opened my exclusives for actual gaming is luck; my friends didn't want to use him!...

By making the cards different, everybody's a winner.

[White Noise]

I would just like to point out that the FAQ from last August stated that WOTC was looking at ways to make the exclusives widely available.

Not only that, but I remember seeing a similar statement on the official website back when Hasbro was in charge...

[jbbnbsmith]

Actually, it's more like, "Your public hand-wringing about the collectability of your dolls is really irritating me, so I hope WotC's decision irritates you right back."
Fixed.

[jbbnbsmith]

Would that make them virtually indistinguishable from the promos then? Are are there still some identifying traits?
Yes, I have developed a methodology to tell the original Hawthorne GenCon figures from these imposters through a simple HPLC test.

All you need to do is remove Sir Hawthorne from his base, and soak the figure in brake fluid to remove all of the paint. Wash the figure in a mild soapy solution (Dawn works well) and rinse completely. Next, melt your Sir Hawthorne figure down, and while still in liquid form, pipett 2 ml of the molten plastic into 25 ml of hexane.

Send the sample to the address below, and we will run it through our HPLC. Once the key chemical peaks prove that your Hawthorne was in fact an original, we will send you a signed certificate of authenticity that you may use when selling your blob of plastic on Ebay.

JBBNB LABORATORIES
PO BOX 875
Industrial Park, MD 21546

[Just_a_Bill]

JBBNB LABORATORIES
PO BOX 875
Industrial Park, MD 21546
DON'T TRUST THIS GUY!!!!!! Seven months and $459 later and I'm STILL waiting for those paternity test results.

And the wound still hasn't healed right, either.

[Sherman Davies]

JBBNB LABORATORIES
PO BOX 875
Industrial Park, MD 21546
DON'T TRUST THIS GUY!!!!!! Seven months and $459 later and I'm STILL waiting for those paternity test results.

And the wound still hasn't healed right, either.

He took your kidney, too?

[jbbnbsmith]

JBBNB LABORATORIES
PO BOX 875
Industrial Park, MD 21546
DON'T TRUST THIS GUY!!!!!! Seven months and $459 later and I'm STILL waiting for those paternity test results.

And the wound still hasn't healed right, either.
Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you wanted a maternity test. It was negative, by the way.

As for the other problem, are you sure you were wearing that splint the way I showed you?

[jbbnbsmith]

JBBNB LABORATORIES
PO BOX 875
Industrial Park, MD 21546
DON'T TRUST THIS GUY!!!!!! Seven months and $459 later and I'm STILL waiting for those paternity test results.

And the wound still hasn't healed right, either.

He took your kidney, too?
No, that was Jim.