Mass Tourny Thread ** New Pix on Pg 11! **

[Pilgrim]

Decided to start a thread for all the post-game banter, taunting, pictures, scores, etc. It was an awesome event. Honestly, my only complaint was that I could have stayed for about two more rounds.

By far the best part of the day was meeting everyone. BISTRO!!!! Where were you? We will be taking up a collection to get your car fixed...

Matt and T. - it was great to meet you. Matt, I wish I had like an hour to sit down and hang with you.

KMPags - We need to get our boys together for a little father/son day.

ASmiles - you got lucky punk. Next time I will crush you.

Ninja - you are the bomb. We will need to collaborate to develop our Elvis impersonator squad.

Relative of Ninja - again, a HUGE thank you. You know what I'm talking about.

Dan - you got even more lucky than Asmiles. I need a rematch.

Egg, Hack and Joe - Thank you big time for coming down Sat night to help build. Egg - you are the mix master. Hack - proving once again that the orcs are insanely competitive when played by a tactical stud, which is what you are. Joe - you were there til the bitter end setting up and tearing down. THANK YOU.

Constantine - you came, you saw, you conquered (okay, so that was Julius Caesar). Congrats dude. You're a gaming machine.

Bobbo and BWS2K - Thanks for hiking down from NH. I know it was a haul, but it wouldn't have been the same without you.

Jim - You are the MAN. Those name tags were works of art. The blown up maps of Valhallah were exquisite. Looking forward to hanging with you at our next tourny.

Fox Urine - Great to see you, and I'm sure we'll connect again. Sorry you got creamed so bad, but looked like you were having fun.

Chaddy - Game 1 - he wiffs with 6 sentinels 6 times in a row. Could someone calculate the odds of rolling blanks on 4 defense dice 6x in a row???

Robbo - What can I say? The newb places in the prize pool! Glad you can come and we'll keep you posted on fufutre throwdowns.

Dave - Our battle was classic. Mimring vs. Q9. My favorite slugfest of the day.

And last but not least - OPrime: you are the man of the hour. Thank you for all the hours you poured into this. Words are insufficient. It was a pleasure and honor to do this tourny with you and I can't wait for our next event.

[Grungebob]

standing by waiting on pics!!

[Pilgrim]

Pix should be on the way. I didn't bring a camera, but there were lots-o-pix being taken by various members.

I placed 6th. I'm pretty certain the guys ahead of me cheated, but still working on attaining solid evidence. Will keep you posted.

I went with a simple army - Q9 and Minions x2. In the two games I lost, I made a tactical error with Q9, pushing him a little too far our front, which is where I usually tend to err in my gameplay - being too aggressive.

[BWS2K]

Righto, amazing time. My hats off to all of you, except Constantine who, apparently, has developed a real-life version of Ne-Gok-Sa's mind control. :D

All went well, though Bobbo and I got lost on the way back. Well, not Lost. We didn't crash onto a "deserted island".

Gotta go! Charos rules!

[Robbo]

Thanks again guys for a great day.

I think I tied for 6th. I was Jim's lone victim, and then won 2 outright, and squeaked by in points against Shawn's orc armada as time ran out in my last game. Each game I played was pretty tense.

My newb army consisted of:

Syvarris
Raelin
Drake
Izumi Samarai
Me-Burq-Sa

I meant to take a bunch of photos, but I ended up only getting a few of the tables. I'm sure there are much better pictures to come. Part of my problem was that in all 4 of my games we used up all or most of the time so I didn't have a chance to browse around the other games.

The maps were all great, spread out over three long tables. Note the careful placement of air freshener.
http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/5766/freshrs3.th.jpg (http://img104.imageshack.us/my.php?image=freshrs3.jpg)

A long view.
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/1886/longrh7.th.jpg (http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=longrh7.jpg)

Part of the third table. In the background on the wall you can see S.S.M.A.S.H.'s motto: "Train, Don't Complain."
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/9682/traintl0.th.jpg (http://img129.imageshack.us/my.php?image=traintl0.jpg)

An action shot, Syvarris in the canyons of the Osgiliath map, lighting up Sir Denrick behind a samarai screen.
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/164/syvarushs0.th.jpg (http://img223.imageshack.us/my.php?image=syvarushs0.jpg)

[Pilgrim]

I'd say my favorite map, both visually and for game play, was the Osgilioth map. Hope someone got a clear picture of it.

OPrime - would you mind posting all the final scores and standings?

[slarin06]

Simply Awesome

[TehFattestNinja]

Here Is my ninja army of Doom
Aubrien Archers
Ninjas of the North Wind
Kozuke Samurai
Tagawa samurai
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a253/minionschomp/118_2645.jpg
Pilgrim's scary minions q9 army

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Robert's army of rat doom
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[Egg]

Pilgrim,

I think the scoreboards were put in your van, unless you handed them off to OPrime when you were unloading the tables. (meaning you have the final standings and scores.)

My (4th Place) Army:

Me Burq Sa
Roman Legions
Marro Warriors
Drake
2X Aubrien Archers

Egg

[skyknight]

Are the x's no shows? Because I see a big x in someones box who was the biggest smacktalker ever. Guess when push came to shove......
BTW guys sounds like you had a great time. As I said before, I may be able to attend one of these games sometime in the future. Its a bit of a drive but I may give it a shot. Who knows.

[Pilgrim]

Pilgrim,

I think the scoreboards were put in your van, unless you handed them off to OPrime when you were unloading the tables. (meaning you have the final standings and scores.)

Egg

Yeah, I gave them to OP. Thanks for hanging out til the bitter end to tear everything down and load it all up. Can't wait til the next one!

[B:T:L Matt]

My army was an all Einar army:

Marcus Decimus Gallus
2x Roman Legionairres
2x Roman Archers
Sacred Band
Guilty McCreech

Total 390pts.

My record was 2 wins, 2 losses. Battlefield D was the battleground from hell. Theracus got Syvarris up there for Kevin, and slowly my army dwindled as I fought so hard to climb up the castle. I got to kill stupid Theracus, but alas, I only wounded Syvarris twice. It was sad to see an army of 20 figures destroyed by one archer...

The matches were all fun, and much like Pilgrim, I could've played another 2-3 rounds... Heroscape is too damn fun to only be teased with 4 matches. I loved meeting everyone and yes I agree Pilgrim, I wish I could've talked a little longer with you. Wish I had hung out a little longer to chat.

Like I said in the other thread, if anyone is ever interested to once and a while get some scapin' in with Tina and I, I can PM my cell number and wouldn't mind driving out to play some matches.

[Egg]

B:T:L Matt - I would have liked to play against you. It would have been a fun match. I had 16 figures on the board, and my only loss was to Constantine on Field D as well. I made a couple errors, I never remembered to roll for Frenzy with my Aubrien Archers during that game, and I forgot to take my 3 extra spaces for being on road with Me Burq Sa (which would have got him on top first!).

My first battle was against Tina. I felt bad that I wiped her out, but she made a couple tactical errors that didn't help her cause. I pointed them out to her afterwards and hope she was able to use my suggestions going in subsequent matches.

Egg

[ASmiles]

I had the other undefeated army (3 wins and 1 draw) and pulled down 3rd place based on points. Constantine and I are going to play a match between our armies at some point.

My Army:
Knights of Weston x2
Thorgrim
Finn
Krav Maga Agents

I rolled through my first 2 matches losing only 2 knights and then 3 knights. My downfall was time running out against the orc horde. A healthy and never used Thorgrim and 2 Nakita Agents were left standing for 320 points a piece. I finished with a match down to the wire against Pilgrim. Q9 had 1 life left against 2 Agents (with both Finn's and Thorgrim's spirit). I got the lucky die roll first.

I made a list of all 20 armies. I'll try and post it tonight.

[curseyoukhan]

Sorry to point it out but ... you also forgot to use Drake's special climb 25 levels ability. I think that really would have made the difference.

[BWS2K]

Next time I'm bringing my secret character...Jack. 8)

Jack
Follows his nose
Human
Loster

Movement - 4 (6 through jungle)
Range - 1 (unless on a power trip)
Attack - 3
Defense - 3
Life - 1

Special Interrupt Attack: If you are able to successfully interrupt your opponents logical conversation, especially if it might help in any way, add 1 to Jack's Attack.
Special "Doctor" Ability: After moving and before attacking Jack may attempt to heal any adjacent character. If the character is a male, Jack fails. If the character is a female, roll the twenty-sided dice. If you roll a 1, heal character one point. If you roll a 4,8,15,16,23, or 42, destroy Jack, the map and anything else in the room, then seal the building in concrete never to be opened again. If you roll and 5,6,7,9-14 or 17-20, heal character completely.
Loster Bonding
When you take a turn with Jack, you may afterwards take a turn with any Loster. If so, place one guilty conscience/lots of pressure marker on Jack. For every marker placed on Jack this way, you must give a very distant stare at your opponent and sigh a lot.

What do ya think? Again, no range, but that actually didn't hurt too bad yesterday. I dunno. I also have this Sayid character...

[curseyoukhan]

Hmmm, I don't know Jack ...

[Jim]

Are the x's no shows? Because I see a big x in someones box who was the biggest smacktalker ever. Guess when push came to shove......
BTW guys sounds like you had a great time. As I said before, I may be able to attend one of these games sometime in the future. Its a bit of a drive but I may give it a shot. Who knows.

Yeah, the Xs were no-shows. Bistro had car trouble...

My pics will be up later, after work.

Jim

[Pilgrim]

I finished with a match down to the wire against Pilgrim. Q9 had 1 life left against 2 Agents (with both Finn's and Thorgrim's spirit). I got the lucky die roll first.

That was a great battle. A true nail biter til the end. We had somewhat similar strategies. Unfortunately, I made a tactical error with Q9 early on, and ASmiles played without error from what I could tell.

[skyknight]

Are the x's no shows? Because I see a big x in someones box who was the biggest smacktalker ever. Guess when push came to shove......
BTW guys sounds like you had a great time. As I said before, I may be able to attend one of these games sometime in the future. Its a bit of a drive but I may give it a shot. Who knows.

Yeah, the Xs were no-shows. Bistro had car trouble...

My pics will be up later, after work.

Jim

Bistro was not who I was talkin about, I'll give you a hint begins with a J and ends with an N :lol:

[Pilgrim]

Yeah, Jason sent an email on Friday saying he wouldn't be able to make it - he said something had come up so he couldn't attend, and there were some computer difficulties so he couldn't email sooner.

Nevertheless, a good time was had by all.

Skynight - we're looking toward maybe a January-ish tourny. Hope you can come my man!!!

[Egg]

Sorry to point it out but ... you also forgot to use Drake's special climb 25 levels ability. I think that really would have made the difference.

Yeah, I realized that at some point as well and promptly forgot it... Thanks for reminding me. That was a fun battle though!

Egg

[Oprime]

I'm glad Pilgrim started this thread up sooner than later.

After cleanup yesterday and work today this is the first chance I've had to get on site.

Anyway first off, Big thanks again to ASmiles who handled the score table. We had a loose system together and he realy made it work.

Jim for his awesome nametags and Maps of Valhalla. Sweet dice my man.

Tehfattestninja and company: YOU ROCK. nothing more to say.

I didn't fair to well place wise I think 8th or 9th or so I don't even know.

I won my first match against Chad, Bad Bad dice luck (see pilgrims first post :wink:) for him.
I got a draw on my Third match, blasted Marro. I Had Crixis, Carr and A micro corp left against Bobbos third generation Marro, they just wouldn't go down!!!
It was my last match against Egg that pushed me out of the prize pool though, I got pasted, good game man.

The scoreboard pics are nice , but there are some real full names listed and I don't know how sensitive some are about that.......

I too agree more free time to get a couple of more games played would be nice, perhaps next time we'll do single elim with enough boards for eliminated participants to just pair up and play....hmmmm that sounds good acctually, Thoughts?

The Animal fund is $90 richer. Thanks to those who contributed a little goes a long way in veterinary medicine......

It was awesome meeting ALL of you. I have faces to names as I sit here and type.

As Pilg hinted.....See you in January.......

[KMPags]

Hi guys.

I posted on the last thread, but in case people already moved on to this one...........thank you agin. It was a great time.

I'd enjoyed meeting 20 or so new people and enjoyed putting a real face with their Heroscape Avatars.

For a month I experimented against my son trying to come with a winning Army. After getting beat too often by a 12-year old I decided to take his with me. I lost to Shawn's super fast Orc Horde in the first round, slugged it out with Robb in the second (lost, but got some good points) and finished strong by winning the last two rounds. I got a lot of lucky rolls against Bryan's Ninja army and was given a gift of a map for the last round against Matt's Einar Army. Getting Syvarris on top of the castle walls with Theracus in round one was a tough break for Matt.

Matt, I agree with Pilgrim - I wish I had more time to hang with you too. Good luck with your band.

My Army:

THERACUS
SYVARRIS
KRAV MAGA AGENTS
THARN VIKINGS
DEAD EYE DAN
ME-BURQ-SA

I squeeked into the prize pool (8th I think) and selected a blown up map of Valhalla. Thanks, Jim.

I can't wait for the next one.

Pags

[Jim]

Skyknight... I knew who you meant, but I only knew the reason for MrB.

The scoreboard pics are nice , but there are some real full names listed and I don't know how sensitive some are about that.......

Nevermind my name, my score is up there!!! I don't know if I'lll be able to show my face around here after that... :D

Anyway, here's my pics, blurry ones and all. I'm not going to caption them all.:

The Prize Table
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The Osgiliath map:
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Front Left: OPrime 2nd row right: Constantine
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Left: B:T:L Matt's Girlfriend Right: TehFattestNinja's Friend #1
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Right: Bobbo
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Left: Robbo Back left-right: TehFattestNinja's Friend#1, TehFattestNinja's Friend #1's wife, B:T:L Matt's Girlfriend
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Blur: Oprime
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Left: Pilgrim Right: TehFattestNinja's Friend #2
2nd row Right: TehFattestNinja
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Left: TehFattestNinja Right: TehFattestNinja's Friend #2
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I apologize to everyone whose name I left out of the pictures, but that's because I couldn't place the right name with the right face.

Until next time..

Jim

[Oprime]

Awesome pics Jim!

[Hahnarama]

I saw the Air fresh-a-ner on the tabel and was about to ask why until I saw the cute young lady in the next picture. I guess it was there so she wouldn't have to deal with LARPer Funk.

[Oprime]

OK I've made sense of the score board, and the results are in:

01. 1600 pts:Curseyoukhan
02. 1530 pts:Dan
03. 1520 pts:ASmiles
04. 1440 pts:Egg
05. 1416 pts:Hack
06. 1396 pts:Robbo
06. 1396 pts:Pilgrim
08. 1343 pts:KMPags
09. 1317 pts:Will
10. 1293 pts:Bobbo
11. 1261 pts:Chris
12. 1113 pts:Oprime
13. 1111 pts:Chad
14. 1094 pts:DaveS
15. 1084 pts:Tehfattestninja
16. 1075 pts:Joe
17. 1015 pts:B:T:L Matt
18. 0851 pts:Fox_Urine
19. 0833 pts:Tina
20. 0799 pts:Jim

Fun by all: priceless :wink:

[geddy lifeson]

I saw the Air fresh-a-ner on the tabel and was about to ask why until I saw the cute young lady in the next picture. I guess it was there so she wouldn't have to deal with LARPer Funk.

:rofl: Yea, definately some of the worst funk. Too much time spent learning how to hurl lightning bolts.

[Egg]

Thanks for posting the score OPrime, and a huge thank you to you and Pilgrim for putting this together. ASmiles for doing his thing with the scoreboard (that was ASmiles, right?) Of the three "tournaments" that I have been a part of, this was the best run and by far the most fun (sorry Pilgrim, the MHT paled in comparison and the first tourney, while fun, just couldn't compare!)

I can't wait for the next one. Do we really have to wait until January!

Egg

[Jim]

OK I've made sense of the score board, and the results are in:

01. 1600 pts:Curseyoukhan
02. 1530 pts:Dan
03. 1520 pts:ASmiles
04. 1440 pts:Egg
05. 1416 pts:Hack
06. 1396 pts:Robbo
06. 1396 pts:Pilgrim
08. 1343 pts:KMPags
09. 1317 pts:Will
10. 1293 pts:Bobbo
11. 1261 pts:Chris
12. 1113 pts:Oprime
13. 1111 pts:Chad
14. 1094 pts:DaveS
15. 1084 pts:Tehfattestninja
16. 1075 pts:Joe
17. 1015 pts:B:T:L Matt
18. 0851 pts:Fox_Urine
19. 0833 pts:Tina
20. 0799 pts:Jim

Fun by all: priceless :wink:

Boy, did I do well or what? (Considering that a roll of "20" on the d20 is the best that you can get...)

Jim

[ASmiles]

OPrime beat me to the punch. I've added the Win Loss Record and a list of everyone's team.

W L D Points Name Armies
4 0 0 1600 Curseyoukhan Krav, Nakita, Gorillas x2
3 1 0 1530 Dan Mass 4th x2, Finn, Drake, Knights
3 0 1 1520 Asmiles Knights x2, Finn, Throgrim, Krav
3 1 0 1440 Egg Drake, Marro, Archers x2, Legion, MBS
2 0 2 1416 Hack Nakita, Marro, Nerak, Tornak, Blade Gruts x2
2 1 1 1396 Robbo Syvarris, MBS, Drake, Izumi, Raelin
2 2 0 1396 Pilgrim Q9, Minions x2
2 2 0 1343 KMPags Krav, Theracus, DeD, Syvarris, Tarn, MBS
2 2 0 1317 BWS2K Charos, Saylind, Dendrick
1 2 1 1293 Bobbo Raelin, MBS, Brunak, Marro, Crixus
2 2 0 1261 Chris Throgrim, Tarn, Kozuke, Marro, Nakita
1 3 0 1194 Dave Krav, Tarn, Carr, Mimring
1 2 1 1113 OPrime Crixus, Carr, Ninjas, Micro-Corp
1 3 0 1111 Chad Drake, Sentinels x2, Mass 4th
2 2 0 1081 TehFattestNinja Kouzke, Tagawa, Ninjas, Archers
1 3 0 1075 Joe Charos, Izumi, Guilty, Syvarris
2 2 0 1015 B:T:L Matt Marcus, S.Band, Legion x2, Archers x2, Guilty
1 3 0 861 Fox_urine Carr, Syvarris, Raelin, Gladiatrons, Reavers
1 3 0 833 Tina Carr, Micro-Corp, James Murphy, Minions
1 3 0 799 Jim Minions, Archers, Monks, Micro-Corp, Arrow Gruts

[ASmiles]

Most Popular Units:

Appearing in 4 different armies: Krav Maga Agents, Sgt. Drake, Marro Warriors, Aubrien Archers, Me-Burq-Sa, Syvarris, Agent Carr.

Appearing in 3 different armies: Nakita Agents, Raelin, Tarn Viking Warriors, Microcorp Agemts, Minions of Utgar.

[netherspirit]

Oh look at that....G'nators in the winning army.

I am contemplating taking Nakitas, 2xGnators to the Ohio tourney. I wish it was 500 points so I could add the Krav.

Go G'nators!

[Rÿchean]

Oh look at that....G'nators in the winning army.

I am contemplating taking Nakitas, 2xGnators to the Ohio tourney. I wish it was 500 points so I could add the Krav.

Go G'nators!

Uhm Nakita's 2xGorillas and Krav is 400 pts..take the Krav!!!

You must have meant 3xGorillas?????????????

army does rock i have played it a few times already

[toddrew]

I am contemplating taking Nakitas, 2xGnators to the Ohio tourney. I wish it was 500 points so I could add the Krav.


Um, that is 400 points ;) krav included.

EDIT: trying to virtualscape too many maps from photos? :lol:

[netherspirit]

Ugh. Someone Slap me.

[netherspirit]

Ugh. Someone Slap me.

[mrbistro]

Any way to get names with the pictures?

[Rÿchean]

OMG Bistro went Marro on us......

creepy avatar....almost like having a wierd symbol appear on your forhead.

[Oprime]

Any way to get names with the pictures?

Ive got a group photo comin soon. I'll be puttin some names with it then.

Man! I'm sorry you didn't make it.

We'll definatly have a seat ready for ya next time.

[B:T:L Matt]

Thanks for posting the armies with names on here... That was something I was interested in seeing, which I couldn't really do at the tournament. I'm also glad the Medical Center got to make some money.

Egg - maybe next tourney, we might share the battlefield and can chat then... Glad you could give Tina advice on the battlefield, I do that at home sometimes to keep her aware of every possible scenario in battle.

KMPags - It was fun playing against you. It was a bit of a tragedy to watch my army get destroyed by one, but on the other hand it was a thing of beauty to watch Syvarris annihliate from up high with succfussful rolls, one after the other. A tactic I regret not having used at the time of battle, was my arrow volley to Syvarris. With 6 archers, that could've been two massive attacks.

Aside from Guilty, it looks like I was the only army that wasn't repeated by other players... January, I will have the Vipers ready...

[Jim]

Any way to get names with the pictures?


I'm the one who isn't in any of my pictures. :D

I'd put names, except I am horrible at remembering names, and I'd likely mix up several of them. Not all, but some.

Jim

[UranusPChicago]

OPrime beat me to the punch. I've added the Win Loss Record and a list of everyone's team.

W L D Points Name Armies
4 0 0 1600 Curseyoukhan Krav, Nakita, Gorillas x2
3 1 0 1530 Dan Mass 4th x2, Finn, Drake, Knights
3 0 1 1520 Asmiles Knights x2, Finn, Throgrim, Krav
3 1 0 1440 Egg Drake, Marro, Archers x2, Legion, MBS
2 0 2 1416 Hack Nakita, Marro, Nerak, Tornak, Blade Gruts x2
2 1 1 1396 Robbo Syvarris, MBS, Drake, Izumi, Raelin
2 2 0 1396 Pilgrim Q9, Minions x2
2 2 0 1343 KMPags Krav, Theracus, DeD, Syvarris, Tarn, MBS
2 2 0 1317 BWS2K Charos, Saylind, Dendrick
1 2 1 1293 Bobbo Raelin, MBS, Brunak, Marro, Crixus
2 2 0 1261 Chris Throgrim, Tarn, Kozuke, Marro, Nakita
1 3 0 1194 Dave Krav, Tarn, Carr, Mimring
1 2 1 1113 OPrime Crixus, Carr, Ninjas, Micro-Corp
1 3 0 1111 Chad Drake, Sentinels x2, Mass 4th
2 2 0 1081 TehFattestNinja Kouzke, Tagawa, Ninjas, Archers
1 3 0 1075 Joe Charos, Izumi, Guilty, Syvarris
2 2 0 1015 B:T:L Matt Marcus, S.Band, Legion x2, Archers x2, Guilty
1 3 0 861 Fox_urine Carr, Syvarris, Raelin, Gladiatrons, Reavers
1 3 0 833 Tina Carr, Micro-Corp, James Murphy, Minions
1 3 0 799 Jim Minions, Archers, Monks, Micro-Corp, Arrow Gruts

Interesting...

In our first Heroscape tournament in Texas we ranked the players by points earned during the tournament. I ended up placing second in the tournament even though I was undefeated, even beating the eventual winner of the tournament in the last game. My style of play was to use a lot of "cannon fodder" to wear down the opponent, therefore I was not scoring as many points in each win.

Afterwards we decided to sort by W-L records first, and then use points earned as the secondary sort.

By the time our second tournament rolled around we actually used some "Swiss Style" tournament software that took care of all the ranking for us. Everyone involved was extremely pleased with how well the software worked and organized the seedings.

Enough about us, more about you guys...
Great tournament! 20 participants is a good sized tournament, lots of styles of play involved. It is very interesting to see the make up of armies that are used. That kind of information, from any of the tournaments going on, is the most valuable in my opinion. It is great data to throw against any army that I am thinking about using in the next Texas tournament.

Thank you for posting and sharing your tournament pictures and battle reports. I look forward to reading and seeing more.

[curseyoukhan]

What's the software?

[UranusPChicago]

How did I know you were going to ask that...

PM GrungeBob, I believe he knows the software that was used.

[Bobbo]

Hey everyone. Thanks for the great time. I have a much-too-long report of my games over here: http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?p=81563#90366

I had a lot of fun, and next time I think I'll bring a more competitive army. Or Braxis. Was anyone else surprised not to see her at all? I was...

Thanks for putting this on guys.

[crookedterror]

Looks like a great time!

Yeah, no Braxas? No Nilfheim? No Jotun? And only one person with Major Q9? The giants were not getting the love.

Good to see lots of variety though. That must have made things much more fun. I smile thinking there weren't tons of 4th Mass, too. Read these message boards enough and you'll be convinced or almost convinced that you can't do anything without them and everyone will play them everytime.

Good to see the much maligned Gorillinators steal the show in their only appearance!

[curseyoukhan]

I was playing with the idea of Nilfheim/Braxas army but it didn't work out too well in a test run. Count me among those who do not think the 4th Mass is worth it.

BTW, I am looking for more gorrillas if anyone wants to trade. I lost one of my second set awhile ago and would like to have another full set or two. (Adam loaned me one of his for the tourney, which is only fair since he borrowed some of my knights...)

[Pilgrim]

Afterwards we decided to sort by W-L records first, and then use points earned as the secondary sort.

By the time our second tournament rolled around we actually used some "Swiss Style" tournament software that took care of all the ranking for us. Everyone involved was extremely pleased with how well the software worked and organized the seedings.


Interesting UPC. OPrime and I need to give this some thought for the next tourny. The thing I like about using points as primary, rather than a W-L record, is that even if you lose a game you're still potentially in the running depending on how the other games score and depending on how badly you lose (e.g. If you take out 350 points, that's a much different loss than if you take out 100 points, and the point system reflects that nuance).

Anyway, I'll have to give it some thought. Agreeing on the scoring system was the hardest part of planning this for OPrime and me, so I'd need to be convinced to change again! Would love any further thoughts you have.

Yes, we need that software, esp. if the tourny grows.

Hey Fox Urine - where's that group phonto?! :)

[ASmiles]

Afterwards we decided to sort by W-L records first, and then use points earned as the secondary sort.

By the time our second tournament rolled around we actually used some "Swiss Style" tournament software that took care of all the ranking for us. Everyone involved was extremely pleased with how well the software worked and organized the seedings.


Interesting UPC. OPrime and I need to give this some thought for the next tourny. The thing I like about using points as primary, rather than a W-L record, is that even if you lose a game you're still potentially in the running depending on how the other games score and depending on how badly you lose (e.g. If you take out 350 points, that's a much different loss than if you take out 100 points, and the point system reflects that nuance).

Anyway, I'll have to give it some thought. Agreeing on the scoring system was the hardest part of planning this for OPrime and me, so I'd need to be convinced to change again! Would love any further thoughts you have.


Going by straight W-L would have changed who you played and how the middle of the pack sorted out, but the top and bottom would look very similiar. Constantine got 1600 points and 4-0. Either scoring system gets you the same winner, just a different path there. They only way a player who lost could have come back to win the whole thing was if there were lots of draws.

The change that would have made a difference on strategies and scoring would be to factor in the number of points left standing. Should a 400-35 victory be treated the same as a 400-350?

By the current system, it was better to give up units as long as they took down more points than they were worth. It didn't matter how much of your army was left as long as you had someone still standing when the dust settled. Also look at the case of a 100-100 draw and a 350-350 draw. The second case is better for both players scoring wise, even though the players played equally well in each match.

I'm not saying that one system is better or worse. You pick a system, let everyone know what it is, and people will pick armies and develop strategies to fit the tourney structure. (Or they'll just pick their favorite figures and play any structure just because they enjoy the game.)

When I left on Sunday, OPrime was talking about the possibility of running a straight single elimination tourney and letting people just play for fun after they were eliminated.

[Pilgrim]

Interesting points. So just to tease it out a little further, if you did the W-L system that UPC suggested, how do you calculate draws? And what happens if in one draw it's 150-150 and in another it's 30-350. Are both draws counted the same?

I suppose another thing I like about the point system is that it gives you a clear ranking, top to bottom, on the other side

[Jim]

I've updated my post on page 3 with some of the (screen) names of the people in the pictures.

As I've said, I'm terrible with names, so I didn't put them all in, because I couldn't put the name with the face.


Jim

[ASmiles]

Interesting points. So just to tease it out a little further, if you did the W-L system that UPC suggested, how do you calculate draws? And what happens if in one draw it's 150-150 and in another it's 350-350. Are both draws counted the same?

I'm not sure how to figure in draws off the top of my head, but I'm sure the computer program they used has a way to handle it. The swiss system was developed around Chess, where stalemates are definitely possible.

If you are looking at straight W-L-D then 150-150 is the same as 350-350. If you are using points they would figured differently.

I suppose another thing I like about the point system is that it gives you a clear ranking, top to bottom, on the other side

The ranking is clear, but not necessarily accurate. It's a feature of using the swiss system. It's really good at identifing the best and worst players, but the middle of the pack is just a jumble.

[Bobbo]

Most Popular Units:

Appearing in 4 different armies: Krav Maga Agents, Sgt. Drake, Marro Warriors, Aubrien Archers, Me-Burq-Sa, Syvarris, Agent Carr.

Appearing in 3 different armies: Nakita Agents, Raelin, Tarn Viking Warriors, Microcorp Agemts, Minions of Utgar.

Just looking over this list, I see some surprises. First, of the most popular, only 2 are not from the Master Set. Does this mean that the master set figures are more popular, or that most people just have the master set?

I'm also really surprised to see the Tarn Vikings show up in the 3 different armies list. I think the Tarns are pretty cool, but I wouldn't use them :D

I also see that over half my army shows up in these two lists. I guess I'm just a poser.

[ASmiles]

Most Popular Units:

Appearing in 4 different armies: Krav Maga Agents, Sgt. Drake, Marro Warriors, Aubrien Archers, Me-Burq-Sa, Syvarris, Agent Carr.

Appearing in 3 different armies: Nakita Agents, Raelin, Tarn Viking Warriors, Microcorp Agemts, Minions of Utgar.

Just looking over this list, I see some surprises. First, of the most popular, only 2 are not from the Master Set. Does this mean that the master set figures are more popular, or that most people just have the master set?


There was only 1 army that was 100% Master Set, so clearly most people have some of the expansions. With the exception of the heavy hitters (Nilfhelm, Braxas, Jotun, etc...) most of the expansion heros are themed. Meaning you wouldn't normally use Marcus without also using the Legionaires, or Mittens without some vipers. On the other hand, the master set heros are pretty versatile. You have your core army and some extra points left over, its real easy to slide Raelin, or Carr, or Drake in and not have them look out of place.

Plus they've been out the longest, so there may simply be a familiarity factor. You go with what you know works.

[Pilgrim]

I think the popularity of the Krav, Drake, Car, Legolas, etc shows what an incredible job the game designers have done in keeping this game balanced over 2 years and multiple expansions. Pretty amazing.

[Agent Minivann]

Just a question, if there was a player who went undefeated, but played entirely against players who had points to spare after army building, wouldn't he have fewer than 1600 points, or is that scenario taken into account? Is that what happened to you, UPC when you went undefeated, but trailed in points?

[curseyoukhan]

Nah. vanquish your foe and you get 400 pts, no matter how many he or she did or did not use in building his army. The loser got credit for number of points killed.

[Pilgrim]

In our tourny we gave 400 pts to anyone who completely eliminated his/her opponent, even if the opponent's army was >400pts.

EDIT: Constantine beat me to the punch. Apparently he's the "big winner" again . . . . :roll:

:D

[Bobbo]

EDIT: Constantine beat me to the punch. Apparently he's the "big winner" again . . . . :roll:

:D
Yeah, I'm still having nightmares about Gorillas. I might have to change my avatar. :)

[Pilgrim]

Looking at the armies peopel fielded, someone with a solid army built around Braxas could have done really well in this tourny . . . .

[ASmiles]

Just a question, if there was a player who went undefeated, but played entirely against players who had points to spare after army building, wouldn't he have fewer than 1600 points, or is that scenario taken into account? Is that what happened to you, UPC when you went undefeated, but trailed in points?

If I remember correctly, UPC's trournament awarded points for both opponents figures killed and your figures still alive. So someone could win all of their matches but get less points than someone who lost a match or tow, but had a couple of blow out wins (like 400 points killed plus 300 points still standing).

The Mass Tourney only awarded points for units killed.

[Oprime]

Just a question, if there was a player who went undefeated, but played entirely against players who had points to spare after army building, wouldn't he have fewer than 1600 points, or is that scenario taken into account? Is that what happened to you, UPC when you went undefeated, but trailed in points?

If I remember correctly, UPC's trournament awarded points for both opponents figures killed and your figures still alive. So someone could win all of their matches but get less points than someone who lost a match or tow, but had a couple of blow out wins (like 400 points killed plus 300 points still standing).

The Mass Tourney only awarded points for units killed.

We also awarded points for wounded heros, and partial squads...

I don't think any system is perfect or better, during the course of deciding we had discussed a number of ideas including: points for units remaining, only points for full card value, and even a number of "bonus points" scenrios including time remaing after victory......

Ultimatly scraping some and compromising on the rest.

It's tough because single elim is easiest but not as satisfying, No one wants to drive an hour and a half and be knocked out in the first round.....

Alas it was the biggest obsticle we had and although not perfect I think we did ok.

Just going by win loss record intrigues me too. that allows everyone to play all the rounds, but doesnt give you much hope of catching back up if you lose a few.

I like GBs idea of rounds by W/L and then playoffs......

[Rÿchean]

the software GB used at Gencon is called DCI Reporter version 2.9.21c

....not sure if it is shareware or what but it is put out by wizards of the coast

[curseyoukhan]

Looking at the armies peopel fielded, someone with a solid army built around Braxas could have done really well in this tourny . . . .

HAH! Braxas starts with a B as do Bananas which the Gorrilanators love to eat (after first turning them into cyborg-bananas).

[Pilgrim]

Looking at the armies peopel fielded, someone with a solid army built around Braxas could have done really well in this tourny . . . .

HAH! Braxas starts with a B as do Bananas which the Gorrilanators love to eat (after first turning them into cyborg-bananas).

Listen to him! Absolutely INTOXICATED with power. Enjoy your title Mr. Baron . . . . for now . . . . .

MWUHAHAHAHAHA

[B:T:L Matt]

So will Constantine be returning in January to defend his championship? And if so, will the pulverizing Primadons be joining him?

Also, I thought the game rules were pretty solid. I thought it was going to be a little different though... I thought each player would play 4 rounds and the top 8 would go on in an elimination playoff style.

[Pilgrim]

That's an interesting idea - a nice way to mix the strengths of the round robin (everybody is engaged) with the strengths of the single elim tourny (the pure struggle for domination)

Now in this case if the top 8 players played an elimination bracket, that would require . . . 3 more rounds of play? So maybe you do the top four or something . . . .

Interesting idea. I'm sure OPrime and I will be revisiting the scoring mechanism before the next Beatdown.

[curseyoukhan]

I most certainly will defend my barony!!! You ain't the champ if you don't fight for it. GO GREAT APES!!!

[Bobbo]

Looking at the armies peopel fielded, someone with a solid army built around Braxas could have done really well in this tourny . . . .

That's what I was thinking. I scrapped my original army idea that involved a lot of Sentinels because I was worried about being eliminated by a 6 year old with 3 markers on Braxas. Oh well, I'm sure in January we will see Braxas show up about 15 times :)

[Oprime]

Added some names for ya..... :D

Anyway, here's my pics, blurry ones and all. I'm not going to caption them all.:


Left front to back: OPrime, Dave S
right front to back: Hack, Constantine, BWSZK(Will)
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i255/jimmcm/Beantown%20Beatdown/PICT0015.jpg

Left front to back: B:T:L Matt's Girlfriend, KMPags, Chad
Right front to back: TehFattestNinja's Friend #1, Robbo, Bobbo
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Right: Bobbo
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Left: Robbo Right: KMPags Back left-right: TehFattestNinja's Friend#1, TehFattestNinja's Friend #1's wife, B:T:L Matt's Girlfriend
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left to right: Hack, Oprime(blur), ASmiles standing (blur)
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Left: Pilgrim Right: TehFattestNinja's Friend #2
2nd row Right: TehFattestNinja
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i255/jimmcm/Beantown%20Beatdown/PICT0020.jpg

Left: TehFattestNinja Right: TehFattestNinja's Friend #2
In front back turned: Fox_Urine
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front row left: Joe right:B:T:L Matt(blur)
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i255/jimmcm/Beantown%20Beatdown/PICT0022.jpg

I apologize to everyone whose name I left out of the pictures, but that's because I couldn't place the right name with the right face.

Until next time..

Jim

I talked to FoxUrine today and ha said he would have more pics posted soon....

[B:T:L Matt]

You're right Pilgrim, to minimize the excessive time for the top 8, it'd be better to go with the top 4. Those eliminated could either watch or play their own "friendly" matches.

I was torn with All Einar, or All Viper, and hearing some talks of people wishing there was an all Viper army last tournament, I will be making an appearance January with nothing but slithering warriors.

[Oprime]

We'll talk about it, and get you guys input, but next one I'm seriously considering single elimination , with free play for the eliminated participants.
Or win/loss records with more rounds.

My only regret is not getting to play more of you.

If we start earlier and have enough boards we could make a day of it.

I regret having to tear down so quick and "rushing" out, but I think thats cause we started late, which was neccessary for some participants to make it.

[Pilgrim]

I still prefer round robin to single elim, or at most, as Matt suggested, round robin with single elim at the end for the top few. I think it would stink to drive from afar, get knocked out first round, then just play games for fun the rest of the time. It's great to play, even for fun, but part of the fun is the tourny atmosphere.

As to points vs. a straight W/L record, we could look into that more. Still not convinced that a W/L structure would be more satisfying than ranking people by points killed. As ASmiles pointed out, there's tradeoffs to any system. The key is picking one so people have time to adapt their strategies.

Oh boy OPrime, here we go again . . . . :)

[Rÿchean]

uhm let me just say this

DAMM!!!! B:T:L in my book you are the winner!!!

and i hope you need not ask why

[Oprime]

I still prefer round robin to single elim, or at most, as Matt suggested, round robin with single elim at the end for the top few. I think it would stink to drive from afar, get knocked out first round, then just play games for fun the rest of the time. It's great to play, even for fun, but part of the fun is the tourny atmosphere.

I agree, but I am open to trying something new.....

As to points vs. a straight W/L record, we could look into that more. Still not convinced that a W/L structure would be more satisfying than ranking people by points killed. As ASmiles pointed out, there's tradeoffs to any system. The key is picking one so people have time to adapt their strategies.

I think we should give W/L some serious thought......

Oh boy OPrime, here we go again . . . . :)

tiss a slippery slope :wink: I can quit anytime I want. :hungry:

[UranusPChicago]

I still prefer round robin to single elim, or at most, as Matt suggested, round robin with single elim at the end for the top few. I think it would stink to drive from afar, get knocked out first round, then just play games for fun the rest of the time. It's great to play, even for fun, but part of the fun is the tourny atmosphere.

I would definitely recommend not bringing in single elimination until later rounds. Think sports: you have a season, then you have playoffs. The top X amounts of teams move to the playoff (single elimination) rounds.

As to points vs. a straight W/L record, we could look into that more. Still not convinced that a W/L structure would be more satisfying than ranking people by points killed. As ASmiles pointed out, there's tradeoffs to any system. The key is picking one so people have time to adapt their strategies.

But you have to admit that my scenario, going undefeated and beating the eventual winner of the tournament in the final game yet still coming in second place because of points, is strange at best. However, that scenario is very possible when you sort by points earned per game. That is why I recommend them as a secondary sort to W/L records.

[Pilgrim]

So UPC, in the W/L system, Would 3W/1L beat out 2W/2Draws?

[allskulls]

Looks like you guys had fun!

Very interested in tournament structure. I do like wins first and points second.

One idea I got from skiming through here is giving points by how much you win by. So 300pts to 200pts will get you 100pts and a loss will get no points. That will make the standings pretty clear but could probably be helped with a final championship round.

[ASmiles]

As to points vs. a straight W/L record, we could look into that more. Still not convinced that a W/L structure would be more satisfying than ranking people by points killed. As ASmiles pointed out, there's tradeoffs to any system. The key is picking one so people have time to adapt their strategies.

But you have to admit that my scenario, going undefeated and beating the eventual winner of the tournament in the final game yet still coming in second place because of points, is strange at best. However, that scenario is very possible when you sort by points earned per game. That is why I recommend them as a secondary sort to W/L records.

Regardless of tournament structure (Single Elim, Swiss via Points, Swiss via W/L) Constantine would have won the whole thing. He only played people who were also undefeated at the time, and had scored 400 points in each of their matches.

Different tourney strucures would change who people played after they lost and how the ranking 1-20 sorted out at the end.

I belive the major difference in our tourney vs. UPC's was that they added points for units left alive. So it was possible for someone with a losing record to have more points than someone who went undefeated. A good example of this would Constantine and I. Constantine had a lot of close matches, where as I had blowouts in my first 2 rounds (400-35 and 400-53). A different scoring system would give me more points with a worse W-L record.

Using our current system of assiging points, you would need to have 2-3 additional rounds for someone to make up enough ground to win the whole thing after a loss or two. Or to have lots of draws at the top so that the top group is scoring less then 400 points each round.

You also have to look at how many people you are expecting. If the next tourney had 35 people instead of 20, would you want to run it differently?

[Oprime]

As to points vs. a straight W/L record, we could look into that more. Still not convinced that a W/L structure would be more satisfying than ranking people by points killed. As ASmiles pointed out, there's tradeoffs to any system. The key is picking one so people have time to adapt their strategies.

But you have to admit that my scenario, going undefeated and beating the eventual winner of the tournament in the final game yet still coming in second place because of points, is strange at best. However, that scenario is very possible when you sort by points earned per game. That is why I recommend them as a secondary sort to W/L records.

Regardless of tournament structure (Single Elim, Swiss via Points, Swiss via W/L) Constantine would have won the whole thing. He only played people who were also undefeated at the time, and had scored 400 points in each of their matches.

Different tourney strucures would change who people played after they lost and how the ranking 1-20 sorted out at the end.

I belive the major difference in our tourney vs. UPC's was that they added points for units left alive. So it was possible for someone with a losing record to have more points than someone who went undefeated. A good example of this would Constantine and I. Constantine had a lot of close matches, where as I had blowouts in my first 2 rounds (400-35 and 400-53). A different scoring system would give me more points with a worse W-L record.

Using our current system of assiging points, you would need to have 2-3 additional rounds for someone to make up enough ground to win the whole thing after a loss or two. Or to have lots of draws at the top so that the top group is scoring less then 400 points each round.

You also have to look at how many people you are expecting. If the next tourney had 35 people instead of 20, would you want to run it differently?

No Doubt Constantine was the man no matter how we scored it....

using that exact example , My problem with awarding points for figs you have left is, as illistrated above, and I think we are agreeing. Its equivilant to the "strength of scedule" argument in the NFL.

Is a blowout victory worth more than a close match? By awarding points for figs left, you are making it so.

I think perhaps one option would be to eliminate the time limit.

That would eliminate ties but allow for a loser of a close match to still be in the hunt.

Then default to a playoff system after X # of rounds based on points.

[ASmiles]

I could see with doing away with the time limit.

Only 3 of the 40 matches played ended in a draw. Letting them play out adds maybe 20 minutes to the whole day?

I know in my draw match I started playing a little reckless because I knew we were running out of time. Instead of holding the high ground with the KMA, I rushed them up to inflict the most damage possible before the clock ran out. Luckily I still had Thorgrim standing after the KMA got mowed down by Charlie's Agents.

[Fox_Urine]

Tournement?!? no body told me this was a tounement!!!


I blame most of my bad luck on the dice. Were those legal weight? I think mine were defective!

I would like a rematch with ASmiles though... im not really that bad....Geeze 35 points for 2 count them TWO knights of weston. And one of them i got on my last turn with my last rat... :D


I had a blast and would do it again any day!!!

[Pilgrim]

I appreciated you going easy on us Fox. Your restraint built up our self-esteem.

How did those pictures come out? I'm dying to see the group photo . . . .

[B:T:L Matt]

I think the point system used here was good enough and ASmiles made some good points, but if we were to do like Pilgrim and I agree with, having 4 rounds for every player, then the top 4 advancing in a play-off fashion, it allows for more matches and it kinda ramps the intensity of the will to win to get a spot in the final four. It also resolves the notion of driving an hour or so and getting eliminated in the 1st round. And for the ones that didn't make it to the final four can play their own "friendly" matches.

As for Time Limit, I can take it or leave it, but I strongly agree it does make someone change their strategy... When I was playing Joe, I was pelting his Charos (his only figure left) with arrow volleys, constantly backing away so he could not catch up to them. I botched a few rolls and the time was ticking away... With minutes to spare, I wanted those 400 points, so I pushed my legionairres and sacred band to attack charos, risking death by counterstrike. I won, but in the process lost 8 figures trying to bring him down because the clock forced me to change my strategy.

Rychean - Thanks for the compliment... She is great...

[Pilgrim]

I guess I still like a time limit, maybe just extending it to 50 minutes perhaps, though I'm content with 45. I don't think that was broken.

ASmiles' point is true: there were only 4 draws and so maybe letting those games finish up would be no prob. But on the other hand, if you eliminate all time limits, it only takes one long, drawn out, cat-and-mouse game between two more cautious players to make a long wait for everyone else.

I agree with Matt - the more I think about the different ways to structure the point system, the more I'm happy with the way we did it. The only change I might favor next time would be to add the single-elim mini-tourny for the top 4.

If you had a round-robin of 4 rounds, then that would add an extra 2 rounds for the single elim final. I felt like I could have played about 2 more games, even just for fun, so that all feels about right.

Another thought for next tourny - single-general armies. This is a lot of fun and adds a whole nother layer of strategy to army construction. Matt had all Einar, and I think Constantine had all Vydar. An other one-general armies?

[Fox_Urine]

I appreciated you going easy on us Fox. Your restraint built up our self-esteem.

How did those pictures come out? I'm dying to see the group photo . . . .

Working on getting them up online to post.... the group photo came out really well by the way.

[B:T:L Matt]

Good point on the cat and mouse stalemate with no time limit, Pilgrim...

As for General specific Armies, that's where I'm at... 95% of the time my army will always be general specific. It's rare when I mix armies from generals but even when I do, I still maintain the proper alignments, like I might mix jandar and ullar for good, or utgar, vydar, einar for evil. I do it because I like the atmosphere/imagination of seeing a general specific army. I may have not been one of the top players in the tournament, but how great did it look seeing my side of the battlefield, filled with Romans...

[Fox_Urine]

Still working on those pics for you guys.

[Fox_Urine]

Hmm.... Well atleast my "post count" is going up!!

[Pilgrim]

Thanks Fox. Looking forward to the pix.

Matt - your army was a thing of beauty.

My buddies and I played a 3 way 1000 pt game once, where we each drew a general randomly then constructed our 1000 pt army exclusively from that general. It was AWESOME. I had Jandar and think I picked Drake, Mass Line x 5, Nelfheim, Kelda (who performed medical malpractice and killed Nelfheim), and a few others.

Anyway, it was a refreshing change of play, and maybe would make for a nice nuance in the tourny.

Another idea - if you knew in advance who was coming, you could randomly assign generals to each player, say a week in advance. The players then had a week to construct an army from that general. Then instead of you playing to win individually, you combine your score with the other players of the same general. General with highest score wins tourny, and that group wins the prizes! Or if there's an uneven # of players per general, you figure out the average score for that general. This might be a great way to incorporate flag bearers into a tourny.

Matt, you fielded a sweet Einar army. But does Einar have enough range to be competitive with the other 4 generals in terms of diversity (guilty, roman archers and ......?) Maybe after wave 6 . . . .

[Jim]

I was toying with the idea that is a variation of reverse drafting. Have a tournament where you construct an army, however you'd like, and your opponant uses it.

Jim

[Pilgrim]

I was toying with the idea that is a variation of reverse drafting. Have a tournament where you construct an army, however you'd like, and your opponant uses it.

Jim

The "Sir Hawthorne" invitational! Stab your opponent in the back with the crappiest army you can field . . .

[Jim]

I was toying with the idea that is a variation of reverse drafting. Have a tournament where you construct an army, however you'd like, and your opponant uses it.

Jim

The "Sir Hawthorne" invitational! Stab your opponent in the back with the crappiest army you can field . . .

At least you'd know what you will be going up against!

Jim

[ASmiles]

Constantine, my brother-in-law and I do alot of single general armies. Everyone grabs a stack of cards and builds an army. It's much quicker than going through the whole draft process.

Another thing we did to cut down set-up time and force us to use all the figures, was we made 21 different 400 points armies using all the figures we have. Then before each match, you get a random army. I think now that wave 5 is out, it would go up to 25 armies.

Might be an interesting tourney structure to have everyone show up and draw lots to see which army you get to play for the day.

Another idea I thought of: Build 2 different 400 point armies with no overlap and your opponent chooses which one you play. Obviously you'd both have to choose simultaneously so there's no advantage to knowing who you'll have when you pick your opposing army.

[Pilgrim]

Those are really cool ideas ASmiles. I'll need to talk to OPrime down the road here, but I think it might be fun to do some variant for our next game.

[B:T:L Matt]

I'm totally digging these new ideas. A lot of them sound fun... You're also right Pilgrim, where range isn't Einar's best friend at all (the matches that I lost were due to ranged figures with areas of advantage), but that should end given the preview of samurai archers...

I was also thinking what if in the distant future we had a team battle tournament... Could you imagine how epic the battles would be... People could pick their own teams or if everyone knew in advance who was coming, randomly draw teams. The strategies, and combinations would be insane. Each teammate would have to work this out via email or phone, until they flesh out what they think would be the best team army with the best strategy...

In other words, say OPrime, and I were drawn to be a team, through email, we would discuss armies and combinations and plans of strategy just like in a real war room meeting as the U.S. and Brits would do. It could turn out that his army is the aggressor, and my army playing the defensive for an equal balanced army, or it could be that he focuses on ranged units and I the melee... What do you guys think?

[Bobbo]

I was toying with the idea that is a variation of reverse drafting. Have a tournament where you construct an army, however you'd like, and your opponant uses it.

We played a game or two like that. We thought it would be a lot of fun. What we found was that choosing the crap army for your opponent was more fun than actually playing it. Both our armies had no range, so it was just a major slug-fest in the center of the board, and it took a long time, since the armies were made up of mostly crappy heroes.

I was also thinking what if in the distant future we had a team battle tournament... *snip* ...Each teammate would have to work this out via email or phone, until they flesh out what they think would be the best team army with the best strategy...

That would be pretty sweet. I'd be up for something like that. Me and BWS2K just teamed up a couple weeks ago to launch a failed attempt as attacking a castle, so we would happily lose to some other people too.

[ASmiles]

I was toying with the idea that is a variation of reverse drafting. Have a tournament where you construct an army, however you'd like, and your opponant uses it.

We played a game or two like that. We thought it would be a lot of fun. What we found was that choosing the crap army for your opponent was more fun than actually playing it. Both our armies had no range, so it was just a major slug-fest in the center of the board, and it took a long time, since the armies were made up of mostly crappy heroes.


We did a couple where everyone drafted armies and then we randomized who played each army. So you didn't want it to completely suck, in case you ended up with it. Plus we were playing 2 on 2 so you didn't really know who the army would be teamed up with.

[Egg]

I thought our scoring system worked really well. I do like the idea of a round robin followed by single elimination for the final four. You could run it like the World Cup, with pool play and then head into elimination rounds.

With 20 players, it would have worked perfectly. 4 pools of 5 players each. Each pool does a round robin (4 games). Each pool puts it's champion (based on points) into a semifinal (1 round, 2 simultaneous games) and then a final (and perhaps a concellation game to sort out 3rd and 4th).

Egg

[curseyoukhan]

I thought our scoring system worked really well. I do like the idea of a round robin followed by single elimination for the final four. You could run it like the World Cup, with pool play and then head into elimination rounds.

With 20 players, it would have worked perfectly. 4 pools of 5 players each. Each pool does a round robin (4 games). Each pool puts it's champion (based on points) into a semifinal (1 round, 2 simultaneous games) and then a final (and perhaps a concellation game to sort out 3rd and 4th).

Egg

Yeah, but you have to hae some really lame tie breaker for the championship ... the 'scape equivalent of penalty kicks. :fencing:

[Oprime]

Well it took a while but I finally got the pics from Fox, including the much anticipated group photo :D

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h223/botracer/smassh001.jpg

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h223/botracer/smassh002.jpg

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h223/botracer/smassh003.jpg

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h223/botracer/smassh005.jpg

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h223/botracer/smassh007.jpg

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h223/botracer/smassh008.jpg

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h223/botracer/smassh009.jpg

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h223/botracer/smassh011.jpg
Front row sitting from left: Tina, OPrime, Joe
From left: ASmiles, DaveS, Curseyoukahn, Bobbo, Tehfattestninja, Chad, Will, Egg, Jim, B:T:L Matt, Fox_Urine, Pilgrim, Hack, Robbo, KMPags.

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h223/botracer/smassh012.jpg

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h223/botracer/smassh013.jpg

enjoy, Sorry 'bout the wait.

[mrbistro]

Great pics!