NE Ohio NHSD 2009

[lefton4ya]

UPDATE: See official Thread Here (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=26765) for current info!

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Hi,

I have never attended or planned a Heroscape tournament, but would be be willing to do one. I know about 15+ people who would play in the Cleveland/Kent/Akron area, and we could always look for more people. I can look at the resources on the site for organizing and running tournaments, but would like input and help from anyone who would be willing to attend.

Here is my 2nd attempt at preliminary details on the tournament:


WHEN:
Saturday, October 17th, 2009
10am-11:30am: Registration & Set-up
11:30am-12:30: Round 1
12:30-1pm: Lunch (Potluck)
1pm-6pm: Tournament
6pm-7pm: Dinner (Pizza), prizes, clean up
7 pm-?: More HS for fun, maybe bonfire or othr activity for those who choose to stick around.


WHERE: (TBD)
Need to find location to fit 15+ Maps/tables in the South Side of Cleveland (I know 30+ people in Geauga County & Kent). Anyone with suggestions or places to volunteer in the area post here. Should have a place by mid-September

SCENARIOS:
Each round have different set of rules/scenarios/point cost, but all tables play by same set in each round.
For all rounds, tournament-style draft of armies with random starting point value done by adding starting base points + 5 * 20-sided die roll (i.e. for first round, if 7 was rolled, points would be 300 + 5 * 7= 335, which would be the point value for all players at all tales that round.

Round 1:
2 player game
NO Customs or Marvel Figures, Repaints of Exclusives OK &, but no Proxies, only two of each common squad/hero allowed
Official rules, no glyphs
350 + random point draft (355-450)Round 2:
2 Player game
NO Customs or Marvel Figures, Repaints of Exclusives OK, but no Proxies, only three of each common squad/hero allowed
House rule of X marker is 4th order marker to be used at anytime (everyone I know plays exclusively with this rule), glyphs
550 + random point draft (555-650)Round 3:
2 Player Game
All figures allowed, including Customs (TNT & NM24 Only), Marvel, proxies, only two of each common squad/hero allowed
House rule above, no glyphs
800 + random point draft (805-900)Round 4:
2-Person per Team, 2 Team Game
NO Customs or Marvel Figures, Repaints of Exclusives OK &, but no Proxies, only three of each common squad/hero allowed
Official rules, glyphs
450 + random point draft (455-550)Final Round:
2 Person Game
NO Customs or Marvel Figures, Repaints of Exclusives OK, but no Proxies
Players decide rules, Scenario
500 + random point draft (505-600)MAPS: TBD
I need suggestions for maps. I think some official ones, some Heroscapers proven ones (Debate: Should we also include one made on the spot for those who show up early for final round to have a better challenge?)

PRIZES:
A 2009 NEOH NHSD Trophy or Medallion!
(TBD) Prize Support from WotC and/or HSers.com vendors
(TBD) Gift Certificates or Unopened Sets, to be given out as:
~40% of all entry fees to the winner
~30% of all entry fees to the 2nd place runner up
~20% of all entry fees to the 3rd place runner up
~10% of all entry fees to the 4th place runner up

COST:
$5 for buy-in. I suggest keep it low, as focus will be on fun playing not winning $$$/sets.

ALL SUBJECT TO CHANGE:
If you live in the Northeast Ohio area (or would be willing to travel for a day) please let me know. I would gladly take input on any part of the tournament, so keep an eye here for any changes and more information as it comes along.

[southwest ninja]

couple of things to note if your going to undertake this.
no one is going to want to register by noon then take lunch, usually they want to show up, finish setting anything up that needs to be set up, and start playing. Also, most people are not going to want to stay afterwards for other activities. It is very hard to pull away from families and various duties to attend even the main part of the gaming day. NHSD tends to have one location for a large area causing playings to drive 3 hours easily to attend the event. These people are going to want to get on the road as soon as possible. Extra activities like these would most likely be better off held after a more informal gaming day, not NHSD. In regards to the format changes from round to round, its NHSD and its going to be hard to justify a clear cut winner when your formats change. I definitely wouldnt allow people to just create some of the maps as they want when they arrive. If you did they would have to be balanced to not create an advantage for either side. Your also going to need more than 6ish maps. Last year I had 22 maps up and wound up needing 18 of those with 6-8 less people than expected. Not trying to nag or get on your case, just wanted to point out some things I have learned over the years hosting some events.

[lefton4ya]

Hey Shouthwest ninja,

Thanks for your advice. Yeah, when coming up with this I was at first just planning mostly for my friends who all live close and like hanging out to do other things before or after playing. Also, I have know I idea how tournaments work out in terms of number of tables/maps and people per table, especially with an indefinite number of attendees, so I appreciate your suggestions based on experience. As far as the format changes from round to round, everyone would play by the same rules each round, so I think it would be fair to judge by changing the rules from round to round as everyone would still have the same experience overall, but just adds variety, giving those who are better at different scenarios/rules/point cost to not have an advantage over those who may e better at others. For example, those who are good at say 500 point squadscape with glyphs and those who are better with 600+ mostly HERO scape without glyphs would both have opportunities to do good in different rounds. But I would be willing to standardize the rules.

As far as the house rule I had, its just that everyone I know plays with that rule and only with that rule, so I just wanted an opportunity for everyone to play that way as well us for us to have to play by official rules, but I understand if people come expecting and used to only the tournament rules, they may feel out of place.

As far as the maps, my friends usually just make up maps on the spot, but I would definitely be willing to use already designed and playtested maps. Since all rounds would have random drawings at the start of the tourney for what maps to be played, I think it would be better if people come prepared for all types of maps, but I understand the desire for hardcore players to see list of maps ahead of time to prepare armies and strategies for each in advance.

Also, If you want to combine and pick a spit in the middle, say southern Cleveland/northern Akron to play at, It'd be cool to have more players in the tourney and more help in planning

See description changes above

[Agent Minivann]

Just as a matter of practicality, it really should be uniform from round to round. For tournament purposes 3 player games aren't that great IMHO. The winner is not necessarily the best player and/or army. 1 on 1 premade armies with a hex limit on a BoV type map is the norm for tourneys, and I think there is a lot of wisdom in that approach.

[killercactus]

I agree with everything Agent Minivann just said. In my opinion, the best tournaments are Swiss style with 5-6 rounds (5 is probably the most practical), fixed army point totals and starting zone hex limits, and BoV / GenCon maps.

That being said, if you have 20-30 players in NE Ohio that are outside of our normal tournament scene (15-20 players) and outside of the other local tourney scenes that usually come to our NHSD (Columbus, Western PA, etc... 20-30 more players), we could be looking at a HUGE tournament. I'd love to see a 60-70 player NHSD tourney (especially since I should be able to make this one and I missed GenCon), and I could even host it in Warren if needed. I would just need a lot of maps, as my collection will let me build only 7 or 8.

Wherever the tournament is and whoever hosts it, I'll help where I can. I really want NHSD to be great this year!

[southwest ninja]

Gencon just gave me the ability to build 32 maps with only 5 of them needing to be master set only builds. as for a location I think Shieldcrusher was talking about his school location or the winery that may be used for free. I dont know if he has to be in attendance for them to be used though. he has a wedding the day of NHSD and wont be there.

[killercactus]

Gencon just gave me the ability to build 32 maps with only 5 of them needing to be master set only builds. as for a location I think Shieldcrusher was talking about his school location or the winery that may be used for free. I dont know if he has to be in attendance for them to be used though. he has a wedding the day of NHSD and wont be there.

OK - that would be fine too. The Warren card store that we played at last time is also free and can accomodate lots of players and maps. I might even be able to get the owner to kick in some prize support too since I know him. Plus, if I tell him ahead of time that we're coming, I know he'll order a bunch of Wave 9 stuff and other Scape because he knows we'll buy it. He's always asking me when the next tournament is going to be so he can sell out his Heroscape stock.... :D The only thing I would have to do is run it by my wife that I'm actually hosting the tournament. I think she'd be OK with it, though.

I know that probably creates problems with terrain, especially for you Terry if you're going to be the one supplying most of it, to lug it all down here. So if you guys can get a place up there that's easier on you, I'm all for that. However, if by chance we want to do Warren, I'd like to figure it out pretty soon so I can talk with Greg (the owner) and see what we can do.

[Brownsfan82]

Gencon just gave me the ability to build 32 maps with only 5 of them needing to be master set only builds. as for a location I think Shieldcrusher was talking about his school location or the winery that may be used for free. I dont know if he has to be in attendance for them to be used though. he has a wedding the day of NHSD and wont be there.

OK - that would be fine too. The Warren card store that we played at last time is also free and can accomodate lots of players and maps. I might even be able to get the owner to kick in some prize support too since I know him. Plus, if I tell him ahead of time that we're coming, I know he'll order a bunch of Wave 9 stuff and other Scape because he knows we'll buy it. He's always asking me when the next tournament is going to be so he can sell out his Heroscape stock.... :D The only thing I would have to do is run it by my wife that I'm actually hosting the tournament. I think she'd be OK with it, though.

I know that probably creates problems with terrain, especially for you Terry if you're going to be the one supplying most of it, to lug it all down here. So if you guys can get a place up there that's easier on you, I'm all for that. However, if by chance we want to do Warren, I'd like to figure it out pretty soon so I can talk with Greg (the owner) and see what we can do.

If we can I'd like to have it in lorain since it is closer to Terry the owner of the maps. I think the owner of the building won't care if we have it there if Bob would be there some of the time, if it fits his schedule.

If not, Warren sounds awesome! I should be able to help set up maps.

[killercactus]

Yeah - I'd hate Terry to have to lug 20-some maps worth of terrain down here an hour away. Wherever we can have it is cool with me.

Also, I've been spying on the Louisville thread and it looks like the Columbus guys are planning to go down there this year, which kinda sucks. Maybe we need to do a better advertising job....?

[Fedex worker]

I would like to come to a tournament like this as I live in Ohio, and is the really a card store in Warren with HeroScape stuff?

[killercactus]

I would like to come to a tournament like this as I live in Ohio, and is the really a card store in Warren with HeroScape stuff?

Yes - All American Cards and Comics. It's right in the square in downtown Warren. We played our last tournament there.

[Chip_Dip]

I agree with Agent Minivan and Killercactus in that the swiss style, fixed points, etc is the best way to go for NHSD. I didn't get to make it for last year's, but I had a lot of fun two years ago. It's just easier and it eliminates any confusion that may arise.

I may have to plan a small trip to Warren to check out that card store! Lol.

[Brownsfan82]

Yeah - I'd hate Terry to have to lug 20-some maps worth of terrain down here an hour away. Wherever we can have it is cool with me.

Also, I've been spying on the Louisville thread and it looks like the Columbus guys are planning to go down there this year, which kinda sucks. Maybe we need to do a better advertising job....?

Agree, i think it would be better advertised if we knew where we were going to be. Do we need to start another thread?

[southwest ninja]

Yeah - I'd hate Terry to have to lug 20-some maps worth of terrain down here an hour away. Wherever we can have it is cool with me.

Also, I've been spying on the Louisville thread and it looks like the Columbus guys are planning to go down there this year, which kinda sucks. Maybe we need to do a better advertising job....?

Agree, i think it would be better advertised if we knew where we were going to be. Do we need to start another thread?
Only if we have somewhere to host it. I will check with bob and see whats up with the two sites.

[Raudulfr Shieldcrusher]

I'm checking into it . . .

[killercactus]

Incidentally, what are we thinking in terms of point totals / format? It's kinda early, but I like to start thinking about armies....

[Brownsfan82]

Incidentally, what are we thinking in terms of point totals / format? It's kinda early, but I like to start thinking about armies....

Since army points have been lower lately, I would like a larger point amount like 520 or 540 (preferably 540). I don't like to limit armies in any way except 24 starting hexes. No Marvel.

[southwest ninja]

I never see 530 used.

[killercactus]

I never see 530 used.

We did 530 at the last Warren tourney, although it was general specific.

I'm up for any total, though. 530 and 540 work for what I'm looking to try :D

EDIT: I also like this idea (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=903162&postcount=5) of Jexik's

[Brownsfan82]

I never see 530 used.

We did 530 at the last Warren tourney, although it was general specific.

I'm up for any total, though. 530 and 540 work for what I'm looking to try :D

EDIT: I also like this idea (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=903162&postcount=5) of Jexik's

I like that idea too (jexik's). It may be too complicated for newer players though.

[killercactus]

Here are some armies I've contemplated using at the various point totals. I haven't really thought much about the lower totals.... Maybe this will help us pick one - which army do you want to see me playing?

500

Q9 - 180
Raelin - 260
Laglor / Airborne Elite (depending on maps) - 370
Krav - 470
Marcu - 490
Isamu - 500

510

Q10 - 150
Stingers x6 - 510

520

Protectors x2 - 220
Major Q9 - 400
Deathreavers x3 - 520

530 v1 (Standard Indians)

Mohicans x4 - 280
Brave Arrow - 330
Venoc Warord - 450
Raelin - 530

530 v2 (Major British Accent)

Major Q10 - 150
Raelin - 230
10th Regiment x4 - 530

540 v1 (Protector Promise)

Protectors x2 - 220
Airborne Elite - 330
Atlaga - 420
Deathreavers x3 - 540

540 v2 (Feeling Saucy)

Runa - 120
Minions x3 - 450
Atlaga - 540

540 v3 (the "Avenge Last Year" version)

Major Q9 - 180
Raelin - 260
Aubrien Archers x4 - 540

540 v4 (English Ice Age)

Nilfheim - 185
10th Regiment x3 - 410
Raelin - 490
Marro Warriors - 540

550 v1 (Avenge Last Year 2.0)

Kaemon Awa - 120
Raelin - 200
Aubrien Archers x5 - 550

550 v2 (Dragons and Rats)

Nilfheim - 185
Zelrig - 370
Zetacron - 430
Deathreavers x3 - 550

550 v3 (Vydar Range Cheese)

Major Q9 - 180
Raelin - 260
Laglor - 370
Krav - 470
Deathreavers x2 - 550

[Raudulfr Shieldcrusher]

I checked on the use of both the winery and Lorain Catholic, Todd said he would be uncomfortable without my presence. Sorry guys.

[southwest ninja]

well, get me some boxes to transport maps in then.

[Raudulfr Shieldcrusher]

I've got four now. I should have another soon.

[killercactus]

Do you guys want me to try and set it up in Warren?

[lefton4ya]

Hey guys. Sorry, haven't posted in awhile. Yeah, since I never have even been to a tournament, it'd probably be best if you more experienced tourney players set all the rules/point, etc. My only big opinion is to have variety in the rounds, so people who are good at large squads and others good at more heroes, as well as well-rounded players all have a chance to do good.

As far as location, I am looking into Geauga county (halfway between lakewood and warren). Small friendly local game store in Newbury "Diversions" only has enough for like 12 tables/25 people, and haven't even asked him. My parents house and friends house in area is even bigger and could probably have 15 tables, my church could have 20+tables, but and unsure of asking as might seem to D&D like for them. Friends in Kent might have place, I'll have work harder on this as maybe a more central location would be good. But if someone secures any location in NE Ohio, I't be good too.

Let me know suggestions on what to make first post, and I can change it.

[Brownsfan82]

Do you guys want me to try and set it up in Warren?
Yeah thats best we need to know for sure so that we can get as much people as possible.

[killercactus]

Do you guys want me to try and set it up in Warren?
Yeah thats best we need to know for sure so that we can get as much people as possible.

I can do that if everyone is in agreement.

[Fedex worker]

Do you guys want me to try and set it up in Warren?
Yeah thats best we need to know for sure so that we can get as much people as possible.

I can do that if everyone is in agreement.

That would be wonderful! Then I could attend. I think it is a good idea, and as you said the shop-owner you know could get some Scape shipments in so people could buy more sets if they are having a hard time finding them.;)

[Hendal]

I will try and sell another piece of land so I can make it to this one, heck it worked to get me to GC. Ohio is the heart of it all I tell you, and I would expect a big crowd if you guys do some advertising about it. When I hosted the first 2 NHSD events in Ohio I wrote every scaper who said he was from Ohio, PA, WV, and Indiana - or almost all of them, and it got us a few extra players.

I think all the boards from GC where great! And what about an odball number 535, or end it with 5 points so you may end up picking an oddball guy or losing 5 points?

Scape on

[southwest ninja]

See if you can get it in Warren. Hendal, you know you will make it. I didnt get a chance to play you at Gencon.

[killercactus]

Alright - the Colorblind Kid says to try it in Warren, so I will. I'll give the owner a call today and try to set it up. Unless they have some uber Magic tournament going on that day, I'm sure he'll be up for it.

[killercactus]

......aaaaand double post!

I talked to the owner of the store in Warren, and he's stoked to have NHSD at his store. He's going to contact WotC to ask about possible prize support, since it is NHSD and we usually have a pretty large turnout. He also assured me that he will "load up" on Heroscape just for us on the 17th.

He told me that Wave 9 is selling very well down there, so I think I'll put up some advertisements on his bulletin boards about NHSD. Last time we had a tourney there I got a phone call from a random player wanting to come down and play with us. Maybe I can get a few more of those.

southwest ninja, how did you go about contacting HouseMouse et al for prize support? I think we should talk to HouseMouse, Wargamers and CoolStuff, Inc at least to see what they can / will supply.

Here's a link to the last Warren tourney (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=23986&highlight=Warren)which has the address of the location. Let all Scapers you play with know about the tourney, send PMs out to players you think might wanna come, and let's try to have the biggest NHSD event yet!

[southwest ninja]

Everyone that provided prize support actually contacted me to let me know about it.

[Raudulfr Shieldcrusher]

I'll try and get something together for the tourney. It sucks that I can't be there!!!

[killercactus]

I'll try and get something together for the tourney. It sucks that I can't be there!!!

Yeah - we'll miss you. Tough to have a tournament without some creepy dude loitering over you taking pictures... ;)

Seriously though, let Heath and Josh know. I hope they can still come down.

[killercactus]

Alright, so what are we thinking for parameters? 535 points, 24 hexes, with GenCon glyphs and maps?

[southwest ninja]

I hated half the gencon maps to be honest..... i was getting shot in my starting zone on turn 1.

[killercactus]

I hated half the gencon maps to be honest..... i was getting shot in my starting zone on turn 1.

We can always go back to the good ol' BoV, plus a couple of maps from other scapers.

[Fedex worker]

Why would you make it 535? just a simple 500 would be good in my opinion. Actually 520 would be good if you want a little higher point values. P.S. please don't make it general specific

[southwest ninja]

535 is a number not used very often. no, it wont be general specific.

[killercactus]

Why would you make it 535? just a simple 500 would be good in my opinion. Actually 520 would be good if you want a little higher point values. P.S. please don't make it general specific

Hendal suggested 535 on the last page, just to mix up the armies a little bit. I'd be open to any point total though, really - whatever the majority wants.

By the way, once we iron out the details (points, hex limit, maps, any other special rules [reinforcements in round 4? lefton4ya did ask for variation in the rounds...], etc.) I'll start a new thread with all of the official information.

[Fedex worker]

I think 200 point reinforements in round 3-4 would be good. I see that 535 is not used often which is why I wondered why it would be used, but I guess I don't really care the point values

[southwest ninja]

So if you don't care about points can we just use 10 points total? OH NHSD, battle of the vanishing ninja!

[killercactus]

I think 200 point reinforements in round 3-4 would be good. I see that 535 is not used often which is why I wondered why it would be used, but I guess I don't really care the point values

If we start with 535, 200 points is quite a bit for reinfocements. It might be tough to finish games within an hour at 735 points.

We could do something like GenCon did... roll a combat die before Round 4:

Skull = 65 points of reinforcements
Shield = 100 points of reinfocements
Symbol = 135 points of reinforcements

So if you don't care about points can we just use 10 points total? OH NHSD, battle of the vanishing ninja!

oooh - can I play one Deathreaver?

[Fedex worker]

Ok sorry I was in a rush obviuosly I reasonable amount of points. Killer cactus I like your skull idea the reaons I said 200 is that me and my frined did a 1000
point, 500 point reinforcement on a huge map in like an hour...

[killercactus]

Ok sorry I was in a rush obviuosly I reasonable amount of points. Killer cactus I like your skull idea the reaons I said 200 is that me and my frined did a 1000
point, 500 point reinforcement on a huge map in like an hour...

Then you guys played really, really fast. I've seen quite a few 500 point tournament games that had trouble finishing in an hour. I hate it when a game is called for time, so I try to do what I can to make sure everyone gets to finish each round. 670 points (if a symbol is rolled) isn't that crazy. Plus, a lot of armies are going to be adding heroes anyway if the points get that high to save hexes.

[Raudulfr Shieldcrusher]

Round timing is very important in a tourney setting. If I may toss in my 2¢: NHSD brings in a lot of players. For a larger tourney like that I would recommend keeping it simple. Save the fancy stuff for smaller tourneys. If you guy decide to do something different, the 'director' may not be able to actually play. The last time we hosted NHSD in Lorain, Ninja and I had a tough time keeping up in between rounds and there were two of us and a computer. And I remember several games going to time.

On the other hand, I won't be there so ya'll can do whatever you like! :lol:

[killercactus]

Round timing is very important in a tourney setting. If I may toss in my 2¢: NHSD brings in a lot of players. For a larger tourney like that I would recommend keeping it simple. Save the fancy stuff for smaller tourneys. If you guy decide to do something different, the 'director' may not be able to actually play. The last time we hosted NHSD in Lorain, Ninja and I had a tough time keeping up in between rounds and there were two of us and a computer. And I remember several games going to time.

On the other hand, I won't be there so ya'll can do whatever you like! :lol:

Agreed - it might just be better to keep it at straight 535 points. If enough players wanna try the reinforcements, maybe we can do it. I agree though, with 30+ people it'll be tough to keep track of, and I really wanna play... :D

[lefton4ya]

Ok, so I guess I'll chime in to the point debate. I guess everyone wants the starting army cost for each round chosen and advertised pre-tournament, which is cool. I still suggest each round should have different starting costs - which will mean that the average time for each round will probably vary with the cost, but putting restrictions on how many common/squads in the round could compensate. Re-enforcements based on combat die roll sounds cool, and if you want more variety you can use 20 sided die similar to my suggestion for draft cost but smaller (i.e. 50 + 5*die roll), but it may end up with weird point values.

Also, I appreciate killercactus finding a central spot and doing a lot of the legwork. If you want to create a separate thread that's fine, but I don't mind editing the info on the 1st post after each decision in the threads.

[southwest ninja]

Your going to run into no one coming if its different each time. that tends to be saved for game days and what not.

[Raudulfr Shieldcrusher]

lefton4ya,

I agree with ninja, leave the special stuff for smaller tourneys and game days. NHSD should be much more regimented. In fact, it should run very similar to GenCon. You will get the best turnout and it will run smoothly.

I suggest that you hold a smaller tourney with your special rules. The regular local tourney goers will show up and it'll be fun!

[killercactus]

Ok, so I guess I'll chime in to the point debate. I guess everyone wants the starting army cost for each round chosen and advertised pre-tournament, which is cool. I still suggest each round should have different starting costs - which will mean that the average time for each round will probably vary with the cost, but putting restrictions on how many common/squads in the round could compensate. Re-enforcements based on combat die roll sounds cool, and if you want more variety you can use 20 sided die similar to my suggestion for draft cost but smaller (i.e. 50 + 5*die roll), but it may end up with weird point values.

It would also mean people would have to bring a ton of units with them to be ready for each situation - maybe their entire collection. For some scapers (especially the ones travelling a ways) just can't do that. And NHSD sometimes gets players driving a long way. However, I'd love to play in a draft-style tournament like this.


Also, I appreciate killercactus finding a central spot and doing a lot of the legwork. If you want to create a separate thread that's fine, but I don't mind editing the info on the 1st post after each decision in the threads.

I don't mind us editing the info on the first page. My only issue so far is that we don't seem to have had that great a response in the thread. I know there are far more Scapers that normally come to our NHSD event that I haven't yet heard from (though I have PM'ed quite a few players). A new thread (or at least a new thread title...?) might draw some attention. Thoughts?

[Messenger]

Popping in here to comment. I saw SuperflyTNT suggest in Grungebob's NHSD Prize Support Thread that there was consideration for multiple venues. Is this still in the works?

For me, it's a 4 hour drive to Louisville. Dayton, at 'only' 2.5 hrs, is more do-able. I'd be more likely to attend.

As per the discussion: Set armies is the preferred structure, with this exception/suggestion:

500 pts, first and second rounds
595 pts, third and remaining rounds

That way you have a pre-determined point total (as opposed to fluctuating from round to round), there is opportunity for counter-drafting (think: repulsors, if there's a lot of Q9's), and both totals should be within time constraints.

Why 595 instead of 600? So people won't just add the Krav Maga Agents.

[killercactus]

Popping in here to comment. I saw SuperflyTNT suggest in Grungebob's NHSD Prize Support Thread that there was consideration for multiple venues. Is this still in the works?

For me, it's a 4 hour drive to Louisville. Dayton, at 'only' 2.5 hrs, is more do-able. I'd be more likely to attend.

Yes - there will definitely be different locations. Our tournament will be in Warren, OH. There is a link on the last page with the address. We will update the first post here or start new thread soon to make it more official.



As per the discussion: Set armies is the preferred structure, with this exception/suggestion:

500 pts, first and second rounds
595 pts, third and remaining rounds

That way you have a pre-determined point total (as opposed to fluctuating from round to round), there is opportunity for counter-drafting (think: repulsors, if there's a lot of Q9's), and both totals should be within time constraints.

Why 595 instead of 600? So people won't just add the Krav Maga Agents.

I really, really like this, though I might be in favor of just rounds 4 and 5 instead of 3-5. How does everyone else feel?

Hope to see you, Messenger! I haven't played under the same roof as you since you won NHSD 07 with your Mass - would be great to play with you again!

[Fedex worker]

I think adding the points in round 4-5 would be better, and it would also be a good idea to start a new thread

[killercactus]

I can try to get a new thread up tonight after work with all of the information. For right now, it'll have:

- A new name (the Buckeye State Bruhaha??? O-Heroscape Day?)
- Address of the location
- Description of what to bring (Bring your own dice, etc.)
- Army parameters (I like the 500 points, 24 hexes, upgraded to 595, 24 hexes in Rounds 4 and 5, repaints are allowed, no customs etc...)
- Glyph pool (I like Wound, Unique Attack, Movement, Initiative, Lucky 20-sider and Defense. I'd like to go without the Defense glyph, but that might not be a good idea for NHSD).
- List of players and their status on coming. Is everyone (except Shieldcrusher) posting here a definite? This is important for Prize Support - as Grungebob has made it clear he will only consider tourneys of 10 players or more for Prize Support, and I'd like to get on that list quickly.
- Length of time per round (I prefer 1 hour).
- Break for Lunch (I like 30-45 minutes between Rounds 3 and 4. That will also be nice so we can remind players of the point differential for the remaining 2 rounds and give them time to adjust their armies).

[southwest ninja]

I will dig through my sets to see what maps I can build and submit a roster of em to see what people think. I am trying to only have one of each map.

[lefton4ya]

Yea, so now I get that tournament play means you roughly have the same army for all rounds, but I agree with idea of bringing like 600-800 worth of armies and being able to vary only slightly per round based on others' drafts or on terrain- i.e. repulsers, giant slayers, or johnny shotgun in the pocket to block Q9, large/huge figs, & squadscape; or & microcorp agents or (dare I say) Obsidian Guards if you play water or Lava maps.

Also maybe a separate thread for each actual event is cool (Warren, Dayton, etc..). For a name for the Warren/NE Ohio event, I'm not that creative (OHIrOscape?) so whatever is cool.

Also, if needed I can bring and set up my land sets: 1 each of Master set 1, 2 & Marvel, RttFF, VW Lava, plus various land from expansions. I have friends who can bring more too. But You all can decide on which maps/scenarios to build.

[killercactus]

I will dig through my sets to see what maps I can build and submit a roster of em to see what people think. I am trying to only have one of each map.

I'll have to try and find time to do this too. At the last Warren tourney, I think I was able to get 9 maps set up with the terrain we have. I'll build as many as I can, Terry, so you don't have to bring quite as much with you.

If I spray-paint some of my swamp water blue, I hope we could squeeze out 10 maps from our terrain sets. Ticalla Jungle, Embattled Fen and Jungle Swamp Road would probably be three of them. I think we could also do:

Fire Isles
Hot Heights
Ice Blossom
Sidewinder
Turret Rocks
Highways and Dieways (possibly the swarm edition)

That's 9 - I'll try and squeeze out a 10th.

[southwest ninja]

My OCD wants me to use what I have if possible, this way nothing mixes.only thing that would be needed really is some extra jungle sets maybe. Only have 4 but I have intentions of purchasing more before the event. I keeps a lot of presorted maps in boxes from shieldcrusher so there isn't to much work needed on my end.

[killercactus]

My OCD wants me to use what I have if possible, this way nothing mixes.only thing that would be needed really is some extra jungle sets maybe. Only have 4 but I have intentions of purchasing more before the event. I keeps a lot of presorted maps in boxes from shieldcrusher so there isn't to much work needed on my end.

That's fine if you want - i just hate to make you haul all that down here. Either way, I'll make sure I have as many of the locals with me as possible Saturday morning for setup.

[Agent Minivann]

Put me down for 2 definite maybes. I won't know for sure if, but it looks pretty good.

[Fedex worker]

Put me and my friend down for a definite maybe please. Slim chance I wont be able to come.

[southwest ninja]

me, sarah, my brother, and friend.

[killercactus]

Here's an official thread. (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?p=910116#post910116)