The General Wars Event

[GromBloodboy]

Hey guys. Just wanted to set up a thread to discuss this event. I am looking at playing Aquilla. What are your guys ideas?

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Aquilla:aquilla:
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[damja]

Don't think I'm going this year, but I would likley play Vydar. Glad/Blast will still be a viable build except against Jandar with Repulsers. I may be taking a shot in the dark here, but most people trying to win likely won't be building an army to hurt the Glad/Blast combo as a primary focus.

Still haven't seen Steam Roller Baby!!!! yet though so that may change the metagame a bit too.

[Buddy Lee]

If I were playing Aquilla I would probably go with:

3 x Mr Ts (210)
2 x Axegrinders (140)
1 x Iron-butt (110)
1 x Spiders (40)
__________
500 points.

Of course you could swap the numbers for the Mr Ts and the Grinders, but I prefer range over melee. I tried to work in Brave Arrow, and you could, but I couldn't figure out a way without leaving 20 points off the table. I wouldn't want to do that.

Me. I'll definately be playing Ullar again. At first I thought it was only 450 points like last year. But then I reviewed the rules. At 500 points it actually makes things harder for me.

I'm definately going with:

2 x Protectors (220)
1 x Atlaga (90)
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310 points.

With 190 points remaining the natural choice is to take:

2 x Aubrien Archers
1 x Arkmer

But, I already have range covered, and frenzy's a fickle friend. So, I am inclined to go with:

1 x Venoc Warlord (120)
1 x Armoc Vipers (65)

This leaves 5 points off the table, but for the bonding and firepower they bring it could be worth it.

Another option is:

3 x WOA (150)
1 x Vipers (40)

This gives you a pretty good melee screen and quick strike with the Vipers

There are other options, and I am reviewing them, but these are my first thoughts.

Yours?

Buddy Lee

[GromBloodboy]

My idea for Aquilla is:

x1 Brave Arrow 50
X2 River Tribe 140
x3 Fyorlag Spiders 120
X1 Sujoah 185

That totals to 495, which is not bad. Brave Arrow helps both the spiders and Indians, and Sujoah takes out the big baddies.

[Buddy Lee]

My idea for Aquilla is:

x1 Brave Arrow 50
X2 River Tribe 140
x3 Fyorlag Spiders 120
X1 Sujoah 185

That totals to 495, which is not bad. Brave Arrow helps both the spiders and Indians, and Sujoah takes out the big baddies.

That's probably better than what I came up with. I had thought of Sujoah, but I try to stay away from one trick ponies, which is what I consider Sujoah to be.

Buddy Lee

[GromBloodboy]

This is a good army in my perspective because it covers a loss in range with a fast moving tank that can do lots of damage. Another thing I can do is to have the spiders tie down enemy figs, and have the mohicans kill them.

[GromBloodboy]

Okay, just updated the first post. Post what general you guys are going to play. I will add it to the list in the first post.

[RoninValentina]

I haven't decided which General to give my allegiance to yet. I'm tempted by Steamroller, but I suspect that might be a popular selection so I don't want to commit to it yet. So here's a few armies to consider:
(Man, it's tough make a viable Vydar army with the point totals available.)

:utgar: For KillerCactus!
Minions x3 - 330
Runa - 450
Marro Warriors - 500
14 figures

:utgar: Unlife
Zombies x6 - 360
DW900 - 500
19 figures

:jandar: Jandar's Honor
Sir Gilbert - 105
Knights x2 - 245
4th Mass x2 - 385
Alastair - 495
18 figures

:jandar: Blue 'Borgs
Snipers x2 - 200
Repulsors x3 - 320
Zetacron - 380
SotM Raelin - 500
17 figures

:einar: Imperial Guard
Legionaires x4 -200
Marcus - 300
Valguard - 410
Kiova - 500
19 figures

:einar: Red Army
Marcus - 100
Legionaires x2 - 200
10th Reg x4 - 500
25 Figures (Drop a 10th Reg)

:vydar: Grab n' Smash
Gladiatrons x2 - 160
Krav - 260
Dund - 370
Skahen - 490
Otonashi - 500
14 figures

:vydar: Crack Shot
Microcorp x3 - 300
Laglor - 410
James Murphy - 485
Otonashi - 495
12 figures

[Tauren_Marine]

:einar: Imperial Guard
Legionaires x4 -200
Marcus - 300
Valguard - 410
Kiova - 500
19 figures

Why Kiova? Wouldn't Crixus be better there?

[RoninValentina]

Why Crixus? I think Kiova is a pretty unappreciated figure- everyone seems to only consider her in context of her Gift of the Empress power, but that's in addition to her being a 3 attack, 4 defense figure with stealth flying and 5 life. For an army that already has plenty of melee power, I think Stealth Flying complemented the army better than One Shield Defense. Having said that, there's absolutely no reason you couldn't swap out Kiova for Crixus or even Retarius. :p

[gamjuven]

Well I for one will probably be trying to keep my title as Aquilla General Winner, but then again it would be sweet to perhaps win every year for a different general. But of course that would mean playing real established armies rather than the rag tag that Aquilla was, and to a point still is.

If I do choose Aquilla I doubt I will have to be against only one other Aquilla player. I have a feeling others will attempt the impossible.

[BloodyBaroness]

I had kinda considered playing Aquilla myself. I freaking love Sujoah, GO big bee, buddy I owe you a smack for calling him a one trick pony. We'll see what happens in playtesting to decide if I run that or possibly a frenzy based army. The frenzy is plain fun. Oh I've moved 3 times in row, QQ.

[dok]

:jandar:

210 Knights of Weston x3
105 Sir Gilbert
185 Nilfheim
500, 15 hexes

300 Omnicron Snipers x3
80 Raelin RotV
120 Omnicron Repulsors x3
500, 19 hexes

:utgar:

80 Deathreavers x2
240 Stingers x4
180 Taelord
500, 21 hexes

You could also go with Krug and another squad of stingers (lose a rat) or just stingersx8 and eat 20 points (bring Marcu in case there's a nice glyph for him to grab).

210 Heavy Gruts x3
120 Grimnak
50 Nerak
100 Tornak
20 Marcu
500, 19 hexes

120 Arrow Gruts x3
100 Swog Rider x4
120 Krug
150 Mimring
10 Isamu
500, 22 hexes

:einar:

200 Spartacus
90 Crixus
210 Capuans x3
500, 11 hexes

100 Marcus Decimus Gallus
100 Sacred Band x2
300 10th Regiment x4
500, 25 hexes (drop a greek)

200 Kato Katsuro
120 Ashigaru Yari x3
180 Ashigaru Harq x3
500, 25 hexes (drop a Yari)

[Brownsfan82]

My idea for Aquilla is:

x1 Brave Arrow 50
X2 River Tribe 140
x3 Fyorlag Spiders 120
X1 Sujoah 185



I think I would take out 2 spiders and add another tribe. This would probably help with their type of bonding, since it may be difficult to get 2 native adjacent to enemies. Sujoah is strong without bonding.

Anyways I want to play:
4X 10th Regiment
Marcus
2XRomans(1 sitting)

But with the onset of "The Steamroller," I'm not sure I want to play this army.
If I decide not to play this, I might play a knight army. Can anybody make any suggestions? I had an idea on my main tournament army in the link below. It had a beefed up Alastair in it.

[Clarissimus]

I'm not brave enough to try the rangeless Steamroller in the main event, but I'm willing to give it a go in General wars where Deathreavers are stuck with Utgar and Raelin is stuck with Jandar. Of course playtesting may send me in a different direction (I haven't tried it in proxy yet) but on paper it looks fun and competitive.

I might play a knight army. Can anybody make any suggestions?

Jexik's Cookie Cutter Guide tells us the core is Knights x3 and Gilbert for 315. Matthias would add more Knights and/or Alistair but I myself rarely play the Knights without the 4th Mass (and vice versa).

Sir Gilbert 105
Knights of Weston x2 140
4th Massachusetts Line x3 210
Eldgrim 30

Total 485

Good offense, good defense, good mobility, pretty easy order marker placement, large number of attacks per activation, good glyph-grabbing and -holding ability . . . what's not to like? This is one of my "gold standard" armies that I use whenever I'm experimenting with something new. On every map it seldom fails to mop the floor with the silly combos I throw together (thus sending said silly combo into the trash heap) and it's got a strong tournament record in the hands of many a 'scaper. Of course it has problems against Q9 + Raelin but you won't see that at General Wars.

[Retlaw]

It's still early (I probably won't make the final decision until the day of the game -- well maybe the night before), but here is one I have been thinking about:

Einar (490 pts):
2x 10th Reg
2x Sacred Band
1x Einar Imperium
Marcus

Marcus gives the move bonus to all of the squadies and can also give them the extra attack. Sacred Band bonds with Marcus - makes it easier to have him give the attack boost. All are disciplined, so the Sacred Band becomes 5m, 3a, 3d before any otehr bonuses (e.g., height, Marcus, glyphs). The only concern is the EI; even with the Marcus move bonus, they can be fragile.

I have also thought about dumping the EI and adding another Sacred Band squad and the Kozuke Samarai (total is then 500 pts). You still get the disciplined bonus for the Sacred Band. With the Kozuke compared to the EI, you give up a few dice (EI - 6 attacks of 3 or 18 dice vs Kozuke 3 attacks of 5 or 15 dice), but you do get four more Sacred Band figures to use as "meat shields" for the 10th Reg.

[Rÿchean]

I'll probably go with Steamroller so everyone can beat me and laugh at the Steamroller.

I almost feel obligated to play it.

[killercactus]

I'm not going, but here's what I like:

:jandar: (non-Mass/Sentinels)

Knights x4
Gilbert
Alastair

:ullar: (non-Elves)

Protectors x3 - 330
Atlaga - 420
Venoc Vipers x2 - 500

:einar: (non Steamroller)

Zelrig - 185
10th Foot x3 - 410
Crixus - 500

:vydar: (non-Q9)

Gladiatrons x3 - 240
Blastatrons x3 - 420
James Murphy - 495

:utgar: (non-Stinger)

Su-Bak-Na - 160
Nagrubs x3 - 250
Dividers x5 - 500

:aquilla: (non-Dwarf)

Mohicans x6 - 420
Brave Arrow - 470

[BloodyBaroness]

I'll probably go with Steamroller so everyone can beat me and laugh at the Steamroller.

I almost feel obligated to play it.


I will point and laugh. Hate this time clashed with the WoW event :( I was ready to give the Sujoah smack down.

[Andrew]

Some more ideas....

:ullar:
Aubrien Archers x 3- 210
Venoc Vipers x 4- 160
Venoc Warlord-120

490 points, 22 hexes

It would play fast, and might need some lucky frenzies, but it could be a solid army.

Protectors of Ullar x 3- 330
Warriors of Ashra x 3- 150
Kyntela Gwyn- 20

500 points, 19 hexes

The protectors will need a solid screen to be truly great, and the WoA are the best screen that Ullar provides.

:utgar:
Stingers x 3- 180
Su-Bak-Na- 160
Dividers x 3- 150
Isamu- 10

500 points, 21 hexes

Divide. Drain. Repeat.

Stingers x 3- 180
Cyprien- 150
Reavers x 3- 120
Sonya- 45

495 points, 23 hexes

Pretty standard and unoriginal army. I think without Q9, Q10, or the Gladiatrons around, Cyprien will dominate.

[killercactus]

Pretty standard and unoriginal army. I think without Q9, Q10, or the Gladiatrons around, Cyprien will dominate.

I think Cyprien is pretty weak in this event. Cyprien still gets ripped pretty badly by the 4th Mass, who should be all over this tourney. He's not the biggest fan of bonding squads either. Knights/Heavy Gruts give him some fits attacking so many times per order marker. Also, the Trons eat him for breakfast, and they're probably the best solo-Vydar army.

I don't think the threat of Repulsors will be enough to get rid of Vydar's Soulborgs here. With 4th Mass being so strong in General Wars, I don't see a lot of Jandar players going with Omnicrons.

[clancampbell]

I'm not going, but here are my ideas.

:ullar:
Sonlen
Aubriens x2
Ashra x4
500 points 19 figs.

Well just one really, anyone is welcome to give it a whirl.
Just let me know how you do, if you take it.

[Andrew]

Pretty standard and unoriginal army. I think without Q9, Q10, or the Gladiatrons around, Cyprien will dominate.

I think Cyprien is pretty weak in this event. Cyprien still gets ripped pretty badly by the 4th Mass, who should be all over this tourney. He's not the biggest fan of bonding squads either. Knights/Heavy Gruts give him some fits attacking so many times per order marker. Also, the Trons eat him for breakfast, and they're probably the best solo-Vydar army.

I don't think the threat of Repulsors will be enough to get rid of Vydar's Soulborgs here. With 4th Mass being so strong in General Wars, I don't see a lot of Jandar players going with Omnicrons.

So, I totally misunderstood the rules of General Wars. I thought there was a mini-tournament for each general, like Utgar armies would only play other Utgar armies. Knowing what I know now, I agree that Cyprien isn't that strong of a play.

[killercactus]

Pretty standard and unoriginal army. I think without Q9, Q10, or the Gladiatrons around, Cyprien will dominate.

I think Cyprien is pretty weak in this event. Cyprien still gets ripped pretty badly by the 4th Mass, who should be all over this tourney. He's not the biggest fan of bonding squads either. Knights/Heavy Gruts give him some fits attacking so many times per order marker. Also, the Trons eat him for breakfast, and they're probably the best solo-Vydar army.

I don't think the threat of Repulsors will be enough to get rid of Vydar's Soulborgs here. With 4th Mass being so strong in General Wars, I don't see a lot of Jandar players going with Omnicrons.

So, I totally misunderstood the rules of General Wars. I thought there was a mini-tournament for each general, like Utgar armies would only play other Utgar armies. Knowing what I know now, I agree that Cyprien isn't that strong of a play.

Well, I've never played in it, but I was under the impression that it works just like any other tournament, except there are 6 winners, based on the best records for each general. I haven't read the rules in a while though...

[lonewolf]

[quote=Andrew;853041]
Well, I've never played in it, but I was under the impression that it works just like any other tournament, except there are 6 winners, based on the best records for each general. I haven't read the rules in a while though...

All players must bring an army that has figures for a given general only..ie Utgar, however the format will be like a regular tournament. Random draw on first matchup, then placed by W-L and SOS. You most likely WILL be playing against other generals during the games. At the end the best record for each general is the winner, and the best overall record is declared the overall winner regardless of general. Last year Gamjuven won for Aquilla with a 3-2 record and Buddy Lee won for Ullar going 2-3.

[Bonecrusher]

:jandar: 4x Mass 2x Sentinels OR Gilbert 3x KoW Nilf

:einar: Steamroller! (Alternatively Marcus Zelrig 4x Sacred Band)

:ullar: Mittens 3x Aubriens 4x Vipers (eat ten points)

:vydar: Q9 Laglor/Skahen 2x Microcorp Otonashi

:utgar: TKN 3x Grubs 3x Stingers Isamu

This is what I would take for every general.

[gamjuven]

:jandar: 4x Mass 2x Sentinels

:einar: Steamroller! (Alternatively Marcus Zelrig 4x Sacred Band)

:ullar: Mittens 3x Aubriens 4x Vipers (eat ten points)

:vydar: Q9 Laglor/Skahen 2x Microcorp Otonashi

:utgar: TKN 3x Grubs 3x Stingers Isamu

This is what I would take for every general.

Where's the Aquilla love? I really like your army picks though, I hope every one of those armies makes it to the event. I want to see how they all do.

[Retlaw]

I've thinking of trying this army for either General Wars or War of the Worlds:

80 2x Venoc Vipers
195 3x Armoc Vipers
120 Venoc Warlord
100 Elite Onyx Vipers
495 Total

For War of the Worlds, I'd drop the EOV to get to to the 400pt limit in that game.

Yeah, I know Viper armies aren't very original and have been around for a while, but I haven't played one in I can't remember how long. And a starting zone full of vipers just looks cool. As they say, if you can't win, at least look good losing.

The army lacks range, but it is fast (Venocs and EOV with 9 move and Armoc and Warlord with 7 move) plus possible Frenzy on Venocs and EOV (30% of the time), and bonding with the Armoc and Warlord.

I can see sending the Venocs and EOV out early to grab glyphs and inflict whatever damage they can quickly. Then using the Armocs and Warlord to finish.

[GromBloodboy]

I played my friend a few days ago, and he beat me with 2 stingers left, an army that I bulit for him to playtest against me. I think I will be changing to Utgar. I have been converted to the forces of evil.......

[Bonecrusher]

I played my friend a few days ago, and he beat me with 2 stingers left, an army that I bulit for him to playtest against me. I think I will be changing to Utgar. I have been converted to the forces of evil.......

The problem with Utgar is that tons of people will probably play him.

[GromBloodboy]

Actually, I am hoping the opposite it true. See, if people assume the same thing as you, then that means they won't play Utgar. That leaves me with a good chance to do well. Here is my army.

x4 Stingers
x2 Dividers
Su-Bak-Na

Sue will help with the stingers drain and make it a 30% chance for the melee shield dividers to stand a chance.

[Bonecrusher]

Actually, I am hoping the opposite it true. See, if people assume the same thing as you, then that means they won't play Utgar. That leaves me with a good chance to do well. Here is my army.

x4 Stingers
x2 Dividers
Su-Bak-Na

Sue will help with the stingers drain and make it a 30% chance for the melee shield dividers to stand a chance.

I would drop a squad of stingers and add 2 squads of nagrubs. Heal SBN and get 3 more figures. Attacking with SBN and nagrubs is also a very strong activation.

[EternalThanos86]

Since my favorite Hero is Ne-Gok-Sa, I thought I would give this a try...

:utgar: Shackled!

NGS -- 90pts
2x Shades -- 290pts
2x Reavers -- 370pts
2x Stingers -- 490pts
Isamu -- 500pts

I know it isn't the most competitive, but I hope to be a spoiler and shackle at least one or two heroes from some poor unsuspecting opponent ("Oh no! You just shackled my Tor-Kul-Na!").

~ET86