TV Show: Battlestar Galactica - IT IS COMPLETE

[ninthdoc]

I received notification via e-mail this morning that for the next 5 weeks, there will be exclusive "webisodes" available at www.scifi.com on Tuesdays and Thursdays. There will be 10 total episodes chronicling the events between Season 2 and Season 3. They will be uploaded at midnight. I went to www.scifi.com and there was not even any navigating. The episode came right up with a link to "continue" to scifi.com. Happy, happy, joy, joy! Happy, happy, joy, joy!

[netherspirit]

Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice!!!!

Can't wait for October! These will make the wait that much easier.

[noodles]

Just finished marathoning through season 2 this weekend.....WOW! Awesome show.

[netherspirit]

Apparently there was an episode called "The Story So Far" its numbered as episode 300. It only aired on the West Coast on August 13th.

I will check it out and post what I find out about it.

Is it October yet?

Need a Countdown to the big day?
http://scarecrowe.org/

[Jim]

Apparently there was an episode called "The Story So Far" its numbered as episode 300. It only aired on the West Coast on August 13th.

I will check it out and post what I find out about it.



I think that will air on SciFi just before the season premier, and if memory serves, it will also be on the Best Buy exclusive bonus disc with season 2.5.

Jim

[Dreaded Gazebo]

Apparently there was an episode called "The Story So Far" its numbered as episode 300. It only aired on the West Coast on August 13th.

I think it's also available for download on Xbox Live if you have a 360.

Just picked up season one on DVD last week, never saw the show before. Needless to say my wife and I are completely hooked... awesome show. I have a feeling we're gonna tear through it and be on season two before I know it!

[Jandars_Hope]

BSG is da bomb!
Can't wait until it starts in the UK!

[Detrimentalman]

Thanks for the heads up, it will give me something to see since I probably won't watch season 3 until it comes out on DVD. It's really hard to wait that long, but being able to see the next episode right away makes it all worthwhile.

[jcb231]

Sigh....I so need a fast internet connection. Between BSG and The Office, I'm missing a lot of cool webisodes.

[netherspirit]

Less than a week!!! :excited:

I'm so pumped!!!

[ninthdoc]

I told my wife, it's gonna be a looonnng week right after a commercial for BSG came on today. She just rolled her eyes. Thanks for fixing the title; I'm guessing it was you, nether. :thumbsup:

[dragonfire]

battlestar is an amazing show. It rocks

[jcb231]

On Monday the 2nd at 6 or 7pm (I think, but I have no TV guide in my hands right now) on Sci-Fi there's going to be a one-hour recap special for those that missed a few episodes or want to refresh their memory.

[Baconsteak]

Omg did anyone see the "First look" of season 3 on scifi.com?

It's the first act (about 10 mins) of the season premier and it frakkin rocks!

Naturally if you don't want to see any of the episode before friday don't go look, but if you NEED new BSG (as I did) its a little tricky to find in their video archives (no idea why its not a front page link) go to their video player here:
http://video.scifi.com/player.html?dlid=30611

^that should open up webisode 9 but if you click on the Battlestar Galactica link on the right hand side of the video player you'll see an archive of different videos, "First look" is the preview. Thats awkward I know, but I can't see an easier way to find the link on their site.

[jcb231]

The recap was on last night....it was quite well done. A good way to do a summary episode.

[netherspirit]

And the show I have been looking foward to ALL summer is just over 24 hours away from starting!!!!

:excited:

[jcb231]

A two hour premiere...wow. Gonna be good. I'm going to tape it and watch it on Saturday since I'm not going to be home that night.

Anyone know if/when it reruns? I want to set a tape for Arrested Development too and it's a bit tricky to make my dish switch channels when I'm not home. I'd rather tape AD and then find and tape the BSG rerun.

[Hahnarama]

I saw an advance copy last night. You find out that Laura Roslin was dreaming the entire thing as you see Adama step out of the shower. No thats not right.....you find out that Adama is actually a construction worker and Lee Adama is really an autistic child with a snow globe,........no wait the real premire is Adama waking up in bed next to Suzanne Pleshette.

[Vette71]

My entire day is planned around the anticipation of this premiere. I may have to break out the dvds again and have a marathon until it starts...
Battlestar Galactica: the best thing to happen to american sci-fi since PBS first started showing Doctor Who over here...
:bowdown:

[TweetyBird]

I saw an advance copy last night. You find out that Laura Roslin was dreaming the entire thing as you see Adama step out of the shower. No thats not right.....you find out that Adama is actually a construction worker and Lee Adama is really an autistic child with a snow globe,........no wait the real premire is Adama waking up in bed next to Suzanne Pleshette.

No spoilers, please.

[Hahnarama]

I saw an advance copy last night. You find out that Laura Roslin was dreaming the entire thing as you see Adama step out of the shower. No thats not right.....you find out that Adama is actually a construction worker and Lee Adama is really an autistic child with a snow globe,........no wait the real premire is Adama waking up in bed next to Suzanne Pleshette.

No spoilers, please.

The sad thing is I bet 90% of you are TOO young to get the above refs.

So sad......I am getting OLD :pity:

[noodles]

I'm so pumped for this! I need to watch the webepisodes!

[netherspirit]

I will be watching the Re-Air at 11pm because the Girlfriend is at work until 10. She loves that show too, I'm so lucky, shes a gamer and loves sci-fi!

[Vette71]

Just finished it...all I can say is :shock: that was intense!

[Malechi]

Whoa.




I saw an advance copy last night. You find out that Laura Roslin was dreaming the entire thing as you see Adama step out of the shower. No thats not right.....you find out that Adama is actually a construction worker and Lee Adama is really an autistic child with a snow globe,........no wait the real premire is Adama waking up in bed next to Suzanne Pleshette.No spoilers, please.The sad thing is I bet 90% of you are TOO young to get the above refs.

Hahn - All I gotta say is I get all of the references (the last being the best series finale of all time, I nearly lost a lung on that one) ... I gotta go change my Depends now ...

[ninthdoc]

Whoa.

Indeed...

:wtf:

[Joah]

ok.

That was a good opening ep. to a GREAT t.v. show.

But, (You know there's a But), I GET the allegory, Ron.
You don't have to "smash my teeth in, with it."

I get "it".

I'm actually trying to escape that Bush-
Whacked BS.
I really do understand, what happens in these, "political situations".

And I wish I didn't have to see it here.

It is "helping" more than it "hurts", I guess.

Really, one of the BEST shows on t.v. right now.

[Joah]

ok.

That was a good opening ep. to a GREAT t.v. show.

But, (You know there's a But), I GET the allegory, Ron.
You don't have to "smash my teeth in, with it."

I get "it".

I'm actually trying to escape that Bush-
Whacked BS.
I really do understand, what happens in these, "political situations".

And I wish I didn't have to see it here.

It is "helping" more than it "hurts", I guess.

Really, one of the BEST shows on t.v. right now.

If yeah hadn't guessed, W. will go down as one of the biggest "mistakes" ever.

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

I'm so pumped for this! I need to watch the webepisodes!

Where could I view it? Will I be lost if I jump into the series now? Guerillanator and another game buddy of mine swear by Galactica.
If I can view the lates episode of So. Park, I can do the same for BG. But where?

[Malechi]

It was on all day today. Check SciFi's daytime schedule for the next "BG All Day" and set your TIVO ...

[ninthdoc]

ok.

That was a good opening ep. to a GREAT t.v. show.

But, (You know there's a But), I GET the allegory, Ron.
You don't have to "smash my teeth in, with it."

I get "it".

I'm actually trying to escape that Bush-
Whacked BS.
I really do understand, what happens in these, "political situations".

And I wish I didn't have to see it here.

It is "helping" more than it "hurts", I guess.

Really, one of the BEST shows on t.v. right now.

Yeah, someone's trying too hard to be the next Star Trek and make social commentary. I look past it. Mostly b/c the roles are not completely reveresed, there are elements of our government on both sides and elements of terrorists on both sides. It is not a complete social satire.

What I have found useful is that they are at least portraying the p s y chology of a terrorist to the public in a mass media format that anyone can appreciate. They are educating the public while the public is not aware of this.

The only problem I have w/it is that suicide bombings are very stupid in a situation like theirs. There are a limited number of humans and the Cylons just keep resurrecting themselves. When Duck took his action it seemed very wasted. Had Baltar been there, it would have been a viable target. It still sent the message, I just question if this tactic should have been left out due to the futility of it.

My favorite part was seeing Starbuck's fate. When the Cylon tells her that she had killed him 5 times, I fell in love w/her all over again. I hate the complete and total mind-frak that she's getting. My second most favorite part was the decision to put Sharon into back into her position as a Lieutenant.

What I'm most interested in seeing his how Laura Roslin will survive. She was in several of this season's previews, so either she survived or she gets implanted into Baltar's head somehow, too (referencing the scene when she tells him she's always wanted him). I would not be surprised if Tom (Richard Hatch) dies. He's pretty much served his purpose and Sci Fi is developing a series he created, The Great War of Magellan, so I would not be surprised if he dies. One more thing, I know I'm a cold-hearted person, but I would not have minded seeing Cally die. She's not attractive and mostly just irritates me. Like I said, sorry.http://anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/cylonA10.gif

[jcb231]

I saw an advance copy last night. You find out that Laura Roslin was dreaming the entire thing as you see Adama step out of the shower. No thats not right.....you find out that Adama is actually a construction worker and Lee Adama is really an autistic child with a snow globe,........no wait the real premire is Adama waking up in bed next to Suzanne Pleshette.

No spoilers, please.

The sad thing is I bet 90% of you are TOO young to get the above refs.

So sad......I am getting OLD :pity:

Dallas, St Elsewhere, and Newheart, if I'm not mistaken....I never watched St Elsewhere so I could be wrong on that, and I always get the names of Bob Newheart's shows mixed up....I think it was The Bob Newheart Show, then Newheart, then Bob....they kept getting shorter, if I recall.

[ninthdoc]

Dude, we know you're old. http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/images/smilies/grrbald.gif

[Joah]

Yeah, someone's trying too hard to be the next Star Trek and make social commentary. I look past it. Mostly b/c the roles are not completely reveresed, there are elements of our government on both sides and elements of terrorists on both sides. It is not a complete social satire.

What I have found useful is that they are at least portraying the p s y chology of a terrorist to the public in a mass media format that anyone can appreciate. They are educating the public while the public is not aware of this.

The only problem I have w/it is that suicide bombings are very stupid in a situation like theirs. There are a limited number of humans and the Cylons just keep resurrecting themselves. When Duck took his action it seemed very wasted. Had Baltar been there, it would have been a viable target. It still sent the message, I just question if this tactic should have been left out due to the futility of it.

My favorite part was seeing Starbuck's fate. When the Cylon tells her that she had killed him 5 times, I fell in love w/her all over again. I hate the complete and total mind-frak that she's getting. My second most favorite part was the decision to put Sharon into back into her position as a Lieutenant.

What I'm most interested in seeing his how Laura Roslin will survive. She was in several of this season's previews, so either she survived or she gets implanted into Baltar's head somehow, too (referencing the scene when she tells him she's always wanted him). I would not be surprised if Tom (Richard Hatch) dies. He's pretty much served his purpose and Sci Fi is developing a series he created, The Great War of Magellan, so I would not be surprised if he dies. One more thing, I know I'm a cold-hearted person, but I would not have minded seeing Cally die. She's not attractive and mostly just irritates me. Like I said, sorry.[img]http://anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/cylonA10.gif[/img
]

Doc, you're dead on with the Trek thing.
I've sinced watched it again, it still is a great episoed. I guess the show has always hinted at our current "War", but this episoed shook it home for sure, if there was anybody out there that hadn't made the connection.

great show though.

[jcb231]

SPOILER ALERT



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I watched the tape, loved the ep, but HATED the preview for next week....why did they have to give away that Roslyn survived? That was lame.


SPOILER

[ninthdoc]

SPOILER ALERT



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I watched the tape, loved the ep, but HATED the preview for next week....why did they have to give away that Roslyn survived? That was lame.


SPOILER

Read my above spoilers for speculation on that very point.

[jcb231]

SPOILER ALERT



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SPOILER
I watched the tape, loved the ep, but HATED the preview for next week....why did they have to give away that Roslyn survived? That was lame.


SPOILER

Read my above spoilers for speculation on that very point.

Interesting, but I hope not....I don't want any more imaginary friends on the show. :-P

[Hahnarama]

Well sounds like maybe no more web episodes ever!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15264007/site/newsweek/

Thanks a lot NBC :evil:

[dragonfire]

spoilers

They shouldnt have let us see Roslin alive.
Have you all seen the second episode?

[Joah]

Holy Crap!

Not only was that the Best BG ever, it might have been the best single episoed of any show that I've seen in a very long time.

[Vette71]

Holy Crap!

Not only was that the Best BG ever, it might have been the best single episoed of any show that I've seen in a very long time.
:word:

[netherspirit]

I finally got around to watching this weeks episode, and boy Joah, you weren't kidding. That was intense. I don't know if it was the best episode ever, but it was definately good. The first episode of season 1, 33, was probably the most dramatic hour on TV, ever and the season 1 finale was insane, with Adama getting shot, because at the time it aired the show hadn't been picked up for a second season yet. This episode was definately in the top three, I think right behind those 2.

When they took over the Pegasus, I knew they were eventually going to sacrifice it, that battle sequence was awesome.

The scene with Sol and his wife was sad, I didn't think he was going to go through with it. I was in shock. Don't get me wrong I am glad she is gone, she was annoying and dangerous, but I really didn't think he was going to do it.

I had a feeling Casey wasn't Starbuck's, I was pretty sure he was just fracking with her mind. Can't wait to see what becomes of that mind frack.

I got all teary then everyone was coming onto Galactica.

Now we are right back where we started, with Adama and Rosalin in charge of the fleet. I wonder how many Cylons are in the fleet. We only know of a few models.

Oh man, I can't wait to see what is going to happen now.

All in all a GREAT episode, and I can't wait for next week and the coming weeks. I would rank it number 3 overall, right behind the Season 1 finale and 33.

[Joah]

All good points Nether, I agree completely.

I mean, you KNEW Apollo was going to show up.
But I was still gripping the couch.

Great episoed.

[netherspirit]

I mean, you KNEW Apollo was going to show up.
But I was still gripping the couch.


Yeah, there was no doubt in my mind he was going to show up, but I was still, literally, on the edge of my seat.

I liked it when Adama was like "Dang you Lee" and then like 3 seconds later he said "Thank you" That was great.

The re-connection of Sol and Adama was great too.

[Riggler]

I agree with those that said Exodus Pt. 2 was the best episode of the series so far. Perhaps it was the best hour of television ever produced when taken in context. Amazing.

Spoiler:

Galactica doing an atmospheric entry and launching fighters before jumping out was both beautiful and brilliant.

Edit: had colored the above. Changed it after getting an OK from Netherspirit

[netherspirit]

There is no need for white text or spoiler warnings.

And that scene was AWESOME!!!

[countblah]

I agree with those that said Exodus Pt. 2 was the best episode of the series so far. Perhaps it was the best hour of television ever produced when taken in context. Amazing.



This was the first episode of battlestar Galactica I have ever seen.

It is far too confusing to get into at this late stage in the game, since you have no idea who is a robot and who is a human. I totally don't get it.

I understand you all love it, but I think Riggler's comment about it being "in context" is very valid. I didn't get a thing out of it.

[Joah]

I agree with those that said Exodus Pt. 2 was the best episode of the series so far. Perhaps it was the best hour of television ever produced when taken in context. Amazing.

Spoiler:

Galactica doing an atmospheric entry and launching fighters before jumping out was both beautiful and brilliant.


It was quite amazing.

I don't know how they're gonna top that one, but eventually they're gonna have to try. 8)

[netherspirit]

I agree with those that said Exodus Pt. 2 was the best episode of the series so far. Perhaps it was the best hour of television ever produced when taken in context. Amazing.



This was the first episode of battlestar Galactica I have ever seen.

It is far too confusing to get into at this late stage in the game, since you have no idea who is a robot and who is a human. I totally don't get it.

I understand you all love it, but I think Riggler's comment about it being "in context" is very valid. I didn't get a thing out of it.

What did you expect jumping into the show this late in the game? :P

[Riggler]

I agree with those that said Exodus Pt. 2 was the best episode of the series so far. Perhaps it was the best hour of television ever produced when taken in context. Amazing.



This was the first episode of battlestar Galactica I have ever seen.

It is far too confusing to get into at this late stage in the game, since you have no idea who is a robot and who is a human. I totally don't get it.

I understand you all love it, but I think Riggler's comment about it being "in context" is very valid. I didn't get a thing out of it.

Everything up until the current season is on DVD. I highly recommend you check it out as soon as possible from the beginning. What they are doing with this BSG remake will be the stuff of legend, we're talking Star Trek legend territory here. And much like Star Trek's original run, the audience isn't that big. Too bad. You don't have to be a sci-fi geek to love it either... <see my wife>. http://www.creativescreenwriting.com/csdaily/csdart/images/2006-06-June/Princess_Bride--Miracle_Max.jpg[/img]

[ninthdoc]

Wow, I just watched this. Holy Frak! That was in-friggin'-credible.

I wondered about Casey also, I thought the age was slightly off. I felt bad for Starbuck: her sense of loss and that she compromised her own beliefs to do what seemed right at the time to save her child.

Loved the way that Roslin was gentle toward her aide over the loss of Hera. Hated that Maya died, she was hot.

I'm still waiting to see Sol's wife return. I've believed she was a Cylon from the first. I keep waiting for Baltar to turn out to be a Cylon. I hated the fate of the Pegasus, but it was necessary.

A nice facet of reality that could be interjected here would be that record numbers of civilians sign up for military service on Galactica, just as happened in the US after 9/11. Then a good follow up would be how this has some adverse effects when the romance and glory fade and reality sets in.

Xena-Cylon spoke of Baltar's reward. Does anyone remember what his reward was in the original 1978 feature film? http://anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/cylonA10.gif

[netherspirit]

Hated that Maya died, she was hot.

She is on Eureka. The season is over, but I am sure reruns will air. Its a decent show.

I too thought Sol's wife was a cylon in the beginning but am now not sure. I hope she's not because she is annoying, but it would be kind of cool to see how Sol would react to that.

I don't think Gaius is a cylon, although it wouldn't suprise me if he was.

[Buddy Lee]

Hated that Maya died, she was hot.

She is on Eureka. The season is over, but I am sure reruns will air. Its a decent show.

I too thought Sol's wife was a cylon in the beginning but am now not sure. I hope she's not because she is annoying, but it would be kind of cool to see how Sol would react to that.

I don't think Gaius is a cylon, although it wouldn't suprise me if he was.

How many models of the "Skinjobs" are there? If I remember correctly Adama got a not that said 6 (or was it 12):

So far we have:

Boomer
Sexy of Baltar
Xena
Quantum Al
Charles Gunn
Well dressed man
and,
Killed By Starbuck 6 times.

So that's our six.
Or am I wrong on the count or numbers? Not to mention the note could have been a lie/wrong.

Also, THAT WAS AN AWESOME EPISODE. The atmospheric drop and launch was FANTASTIC. That made the whole season, IMHO.

Buddy Lee

[Riggler]

Hated that Maya died, she was hot.

She is on Eureka. The season is over, but I am sure reruns will air. Its a decent show.

I too thought Sol's wife was a cylon in the beginning but am now not sure. I hope she's not because she is annoying, but it would be kind of cool to see how Sol would react to that.

I don't think Gaius is a cylon, although it wouldn't suprise me if he was.

That's her on Eureka? Cool. Didn't recognize her.

I thought Sol's wife was a cyclon too when they first introduced her. And you know what, now that its brought up again, it makes me think that she might be. Its certainly a possability if the story ever calls for it again. A good reason to keep some models of flesh cylons a secret.

To have Baltar be a cylon would go against everything that Ron Moore has said about this show. First it would loose a lot of its edge about the selfishness of the human race. Second, it would cease to pay homage to the original series. The ending of Exodus pt. 2 with Baltar going off to "join" the cylons pays even more homage to the original series. Having Baltar become a cylon would be bad.

Tigh was very ... EH... to me early in the series. The character grows leaps and bounds stronger with every story arc he's featured in. And the actor .. I think this is his first gig. He was from Vancover I think... Amazing.

[countblah]

I agree with those that said Exodus Pt. 2 was the best episode of the series so far. Perhaps it was the best hour of television ever produced when taken in context. Amazing.



This was the first episode of battlestar Galactica I have ever seen.

It is far too confusing to get into at this late stage in the game, since you have no idea who is a robot and who is a human. I totally don't get it.

I understand you all love it, but I think Riggler's comment about it being "in context" is very valid. I didn't get a thing out of it.

What did you expect jumping into the show this late in the game? :P

Not my idea. My buddy was telling me all about how I had to watch it, because of all this stuff, and so I did...

How can you tell who is a robot again?

[netherspirit]

How can you tell who is a robot again?

Watch the Mini-Series, Season 1 and Season 2. Preferably in that order. ;)

[netherspirit]

Hated that Maya died, she was hot.

She is on Eureka. The season is over, but I am sure reruns will air. Its a decent show.

I too thought Sol's wife was a cylon in the beginning but am now not sure. I hope she's not because she is annoying, but it would be kind of cool to see how Sol would react to that.

I don't think Gaius is a cylon, although it wouldn't suprise me if he was.

How many models of the "Skinjobs" are there? If I remember correctly Adama got a not that said 6 (or was it 12):

So far we have:

Boomer
Sexy of Baltar
Xena
Quantum Al
Charles Gunn
Well dressed man
and,
Killed By Starbuck 6 times.

So that's our six.
Or am I wrong on the count or numbers? Not to mention the note could have been a lie/wrong.

Also, THAT WAS AN AWESOME EPISODE. The atmospheric drop and launch was FANTASTIC. That made the whole season, IMHO.

Buddy Lee

Thats seven, and I am pretty sure the note said 12.

[Vette71]

Xena-Cylon spoke of Baltar's reward. Does anyone remember what his reward was in the original 1978 feature film? http://anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/cylonA10.gif
I think in the film version, they edited it to seem that the Cylons beheaded him, but in the full TV version they gave him his own Base Star and an efeminite Cylon servant named Lucifer.

[Buddy Lee]

How many models of the "Skinjobs" are there? If I remember correctly Adama got a not that said 6 (or was it 12):

So far we have:

Boomer
Sexy of Baltar
Xena
Quantum Al
Charles Gunn
Well dressed man
and,
Killed By Starbuck 6 times.

So that's our six.
Or am I wrong on the count or numbers? Not to mention the note could have been a lie/wrong.

Thats seven, and I am pretty sure the note said 12.

Okay, so I can't count.

Jeez, some people. :wink:

Buddy Lee

[ninthdoc]

Wait a minute, holy crap! I didn't realize that was Deputy Jo! Sweet!

[Euryon]

(I am not reading any comments in this thread as I dont want anything spoilt, im only 1/3 through season 2 at the moment...)

Ok, I saw all the hub-bub about this show from all the comments around the site (esp. Nethers signature at the time), so I decided to check it out. I'd never bothered watching it whilst in the states, and it doesnt air here in the UK on normal channels.

Sooo, I got hold of the miniseries. Really enjoyed it. Devoured season 1 last week, and watched episodes 1-7 of season 2 last night. I'll try and catch up by the end of the week, as I'm really enjoying it. My friend curiously started watching it at the same time - but as he's a bloody students - he has all the time in the world, so he's caught up to you chaps and chapesses, he says season 3 is pretty good - very Iraq war like.

So anyway, hopefully soon I shall be joining the discussion.

[Euryon]

Holy crap.
Just watched the 1st episode of season 3.
This is awesome stuff...

[netherspirit]

Just wait til you get to episode 4!

[Sweetcurse]

Welcome to two years ago my friend. I'm happy to hear you enjoy it. It really is the best show on TV.

[noodles]

The last episode was probably the best episode of the entire series. It could easily have served as the season finale if certain plot points had been stretched that far.

[netherspirit]

The last episode was probably the best episode of the entire series. It could easily have served as the season finale if certain plot points had been stretched that far.

I had it ranked at number 3, but after some more consideration and rewatching some episodes, I have decided that it is tied with my 2 other favorite episodes. The Season 1 opener, which to me was the most dramatic 60 minutes on TV ever. And the Season 1 Finale. They had some balls ending the season like that, when at the time, the show hadn't been picked up for a second season.

[noodles]

The last episode was probably the best episode of the entire series. It could easily have served as the season finale if certain plot points had been stretched that far.

I had it ranked at number 3, but after some more consideration and rewatching some episodes, I have decided that it is tied with my 2 other favorite episodes. The Season 1 opener, which to me was the most dramatic 60 minutes on TV ever. And the Season 1 Finale. They had some balls ending the season like that, when at the time, the show hadn't been picked up for a second season.

Those are good episodes for sure. I love that episode 4 was that good and it's only episode 4. I can't wait to see where the story goes from here.

[Maska]

yeah, this episode just rocked, but doesnt pass the first season start/end episodes for me either.

a VERY solid #3 though.... :twisted:

[Euryon]

Ive seen the first 4 episodes, wasnt 5 last night? (Theyve all escaped from New Caprica now)

Whilst BSG is really very good, it doesnt beat the Wire, imo. But its close.

[Sweetcurse]

Ive seen the first 4 episodes, wasnt 5 last night? (Theyve all escaped from New Caprica now)

Whilst BSG is really very good, it doesnt beat the Wire, imo. But its close.

meh, I'll take depressewd space pilots over depressed teachers any day. ;)

[netherspirit]

BSG TIME!!!!!!

[netherspirit]

HOLY FRACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!!!11!!11!111!!!!!!!1111!!!!!!!

OMG!!!! OMG!!!! OMG!!!!! OMG!!!! OMG!!!! OMG!!!!

WHAT?!?!?!?!? OMG!!!!! OMG!!!!! THEY DIDN'T JUST DO THAT!!!!!!!!??!?!?!??!!??!?!!!

[Riggler]

HOLY FRACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!!!11!!11!111!!!!!!!1111!!!!!!!

OMG!!!! OMG!!!! OMG!!!!! OMG!!!! OMG!!!! OMG!!!!

WHAT?!?!?!?!? OMG!!!!! OMG!!!!! THEY DIDN'T JUST DO THAT!!!!!!!!??!?!?!??!!??!?!!!

Air Lockage baby!!

There was no way they could have topped last week. This was a good pull back the throttle episode. It was probably one of the most predictible episodes of the series. But that's OK. I can take most predictible after the last few eps. Needed a breather.

What was the code for the exclusive content?

[netherspirit]

Rift; I think.

[Riggler]

Rift; I think.
that's it, thanks

[netherspirit]

Watching it again with the GF right now. :D Woot for the encore!!!

[netherspirit]

I love the music in this show.

That reminds me that I need to get the Season 2 soundtrack (assuming its out...) I have the First season and Mini-Series soundtracks and they are awesome.

[Havokscry]

Watching Season 2.5 on dvd. Hopefully I'll get caught up enough to catch season 3 on reruns.

[Euryon]

Theres some music in the intro 5 mins of the last episode of season 2 which was frickin' great.

And I'm glad the Iraq war mini-series is over. It was really good; but I think they capped it at just the right time without making too much of it.

Its really frustrating that the Pegasus is gone though; thats half their military capacity gone in a whiff of smoke. I do hope Lee gets to lose the fat-suit though - its really quite scary.

[Maska]

Season 2 soundtrack is available.. I know.. I got it... great music. :)

[netherspirit]

My favorite song from the show is called "The Shape of Things to Come" from season one. It played in the finale a few times. Its great.

[netherspirit]

Theres some music in the intro 5 mins of the last episode of season 2 which was frickin' great.

And I'm glad the Iraq war mini-series is over. It was really good; but I think they capped it at just the right time without making too much of it.

Its really frustrating that the Pegasus is gone though; thats half their military capacity gone in a whiff of smoke. I do hope Lee gets to lose the fat-suit though - its really quite scary.

As someone who just recently finished season 2, what did you think of it after the Ressurrection Ship episodes? Particularly episodes 13-16 (Epiphanies, Black Market, Scar, Sacrifice).

[noodles]

This week's episode was good. Even the "filler" episodes are better than most shows. What a great show, one of the best shows on tv despite being sci-fi.

[Euryon]

As someone who just recently finished season 2, what did you think of it after the Ressurrection Ship episodes? Particularly episodes 13-16 (Epiphanies, Black Market, Scar, Sacrifice).

I remember Black Market because of the guy from Predator/Commando (John something? bald black guy), and that was a pretty cool episode. Lee was a bit overused in the cop role though - he and Starbuck seemed to do absolutely every job on the ship for Adama. Still, I liked it. I thought Scar was pretty cool - an obvious reference to "Juba" the notorious Iraqi sniper, I think. I liked season 2 a little more than season 1, I think, and it seemed to get better as it went on. Season 3 so far is a little better, too.

Remind me of Epiphanies and Sacrifice's content, I cant remember them atm...

[Jandars_Hope]

I didn't quite like the 'Scar' episode - it bored me slightly.

[netherspirit]

What did 6 mean when she said that the Cyclons never talked about the other 5?

Will 6 tell the others that Gaius was lying about not seeing anything on the sick ship?

Whats going to happen to Tigh? Is he going to drink himself to death, or shape up and get back?

That scene with Adama, Starbuck and Tigh was awesome, Adama is the freaking man.

Was it just me or was the piano music during the Gaius scenes awesome or what?

[Riggler]

What did 6 mean when she said that the Cyclons never talked about the other 5?

Just a way for them to address why we haven't seen the other models. Allowing them to have them pop up. I bet they were "decommisioned". And I bet another will be joining their ranks soon -- perhaps Boomer?

Will 6 tell the others that Gaius was lying about not seeing anything on the sick ship?
Nope. She would have done it already. Gaius can still be of use to her.

Whats going to happen to Tigh? Is he going to drink himself to death, or shape up and get back? Tigh's a dead man walking. Michael Hogen can't top his performance during the resistance. And he's probably ready to move on. His job as XO has been replaced.

[netherspirit]

Just saw this peice of information on Scifi.com
http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=38969

SCI FI Channel's award-winning series Battlestar Galactica will move to a new timeslot starting Jan. 21, 2007: Sundays at 10 p.m. ET/PT, following the premiere of the new original series The Dresden Files at 9 p.m.

Just an FYI that BSG is moving to Sunday's.

I'm really excited about that last part though. The Dresden Files is a book series about a wizard in present day Chicago, named Harry Dresden. Its a great series. Can't wait to see the show.

[jcb231]

Anyone know when Caprica debuts?

[netherspirit]

They just announced it in April, I wouldn't expect it anytime soon.

[Euryon]

Yeah, its great news. I'll now get to see BSG on a monday, Heroes and Prison Break ona tuesday, Jericho on a Thursday... That is, until Heroes and Jericho break up for a million years :(

Ill have to check out the dresden files, though. Sounds interesting.

Reminds me of the fact theyre making a film of solomon kane for some reason.

[ninthdoc]

I don't know if I like this idea. Sci Fi has always touted their Friday night lineup. Moving series to other nights has historically always resulted in disaster. IMO, they are reserving Friday nites for SG and SGA. I've never been into and of the SG series. Even the addition of Ben Browder and Claudia Black couldn't draw me in despite being a huge fan of Farscape. I hope this doesn't kill the show.

[netherspirit]

Not sure what I thought about tonight's episode. It didn't advance the overall storyline very much if at all. The Adama fight was cool, with his speech at the end, other than that, it was meh. I mean we've known since the mini-series that Lee and Starbuck loved each other...

[Hahnarama]

Not sure what I thought about tonight's episode. It didn't advance the overall storyline very much if at all. The Adama fight was cool, with his speech at the end, other than that, it was meh. I mean we've known since the mini-series that Lee and Starbuck loved each other...

What did he whisper to her right at the end?

That and I never knew that HotDog was EJO real life son. (I actually watched the credits today)

[Maska]

he said "I missed you too" or somethign like that....

[ninthdoc]

Yeah, "I missed you, too," that was it. I didn't mind the episode. It did not further the larger story, but it did some character developing and filled in a few blanks from the discussion between Sam and Keira when he was sick just before the Cylons invaded New Caprica.

I don't know which of them (Apollo or Starbuck) is more messed up. I do get the impression that the will be dual discussions between them and both of their spouses that will be similar to the one George had w/his girlfriend on Seinfeld. ("I've got hand! I've got hand!" "Good, you're going to need it!")

[Euryon]

I read an interview with David Eick (I think) which was a preview to this season, and he talked about the relationship between Starbuck and Apollo would never actually "work", they would always shift between lovers, friends, enemies, siblings, rivals and so on. Whether that continues to be the case, I dont know, but I hope so. I dont want them to just "work it all out". Two and a half seasons of disparity - if that changes, it wont feel right to me.

Anyway, I dont have problems with mid-season (or quarter season) stop-gap episodes. It means we're probably going to begin a new story arc soon, maybe of the magnitude of New Caprica or Helo on old Caprica. I imagine were going to meet another Cylon at some point - possibly, maybe not as an integral character, just the revelation of one of the crew being a cylon (or maybe some other twist, like the cylons start cloning to make the humans think they real people are cylons, or something).

Anyway, im looking forward to the next few episodes now... And you cant beat an episode with 30 minutes of boxing :D

[ninthdoc]

This is huge!

If you're old enough to remember the first run of BSG, you'll remember that the pilot was released to theaters using a sound technology called "Insensurround" that pre-dated Dolby THX.

Anyway, I just got an e-mail from SciFi.com, you can register for a chance to win free passes to see the mid-season finale this coming Thursday night in a theater on a big screen (before everyone else sees it Friday night!).

Here's the link (http://screenings.tvguide.com/programs/detail/4).

It'll be showing in Atlanta, Chicago, Dallas, LA, NYC, and St. Louis.

[Hahnarama]

So did anyone catch what the survivor count was at the beginning of this weeks show? I'm curious what the loss of two ships and Kat brings it down to next week.

[ninthdoc]

The survivor count has always been at 41420 in the intro. Prior to her electorial defeat, Roselyn always kept a running tally in her office. I haven't seen that in quite a while.

BTW, those ships that were lost were manned w/skeleton crews or not at all. Their regular compliment were being transported on the Galactica, since it was the only one big enough and w/enough shielding to protect them all from the radiation, hence the necessity of 5 trips.

I wish I would have gotten to see this episode on the big screen. It would have been a good one for that. After watching the preview, I can't wait to see the next episode!

[ninthdoc]

So, was I the only one bothered by the way that the last episode basically ignored everything that happened between Starbuck, Apollo, and their respective spouses in the previous episode? Dee was barely mentioned or seen, Sam was MIA again. S & A were too hungry to want to get a move on. I don't mind filler episodes, but when they develop stuff, it should be dealt with.

[ninthdoc]

This is huge!

If you're old enough to remember the first run of BSG, you'll remember that the pilot was released to theaters using a sound technology called "Insensurround" that pre-dated Dolby THX.

Anyway, I just got an e-mail from SciFi.com, you can register for a chance to win free passes to see the mid-season finale this coming Thursday night in a theater on a big screen (before everyone else sees it Friday night!).

Here's the link (http://screenings.tvguide.com/programs/detail/4).

It'll be showing in Atlanta, Chicago, Dallas, LA, NYC, and St. Louis.

WooT! I got an e-mail inviting me and a guest to the screening. I'm still not guaranteed a seat, but Imax and I are gonna go try to get in anyway!

:D

[Euryon]

wow... well done doc.

Annoying that its gonna take a break, though :grr:

Ah well, have fun, and hope you get a good seat.

[Havokscry]

I'm surprised this thread hasn't been dug up yet since 3.5 started. Anywho, has anyone ever noticed that at the beginning of BSG it is usually rated for violence and language? Has Frackin been categorized as language now?

[netherspirit]

Nothing like a good S(oa)pace Opera before bed!

[Draconious]

space opera in some episodes, space porn in others... lol

[Aldin]

Well, I have to rely on secondhand episodes due to my local cable provider not including Sci-Fi, but I'm caught up through the nova. I LOVE this show. Not sure just why it captures me so fully, but the Phillip K. Dick in me is completely enamored of the "what does it mean to be human?" theme.

~Aldin, so say we all

[SilverBlade]

Huh, I completely missed this thread. I actually subscribed to Dish just for this show. So...

In the first place, I am THRILLED TO DEATH that that pompous arogant B***h of a viper pilot is finally gone. I mean she went from knocking divits in the deck plates that would take the grease monkeys a week to fix (don't remember the exact line) to little miss know it all / always on the rag in about - what half a season? I really hated that character.

Very sick of the sleeze to. Blonde was just annoying in the first season but enough is enough. Add in the Blonde, Zena, Baltar 3somes and the whole A wants SB but no I can't, SB wants to bang everybody, D wants to leave A but SB wants D to sleep with ... what's her husband's name again? Or are they still together at all? Wait, I'm confused again ... AAhhhgg WOULD SOMEBODY JUST GO BLOW UP SOMETHING!!

Now I do like Baltar's whole schizo bit (minus the hallucinary titty rubbing). Love the president's "screw being sensitive, that's what air locks are for anyway" attitude (Star Trek just never had the stones). And when they finally do blow something up, they do it right. :D

OK, I have a lot more to say, but I hate long posts

[ej]

BSG = Bestest Sh*t... Gaaaaaah (gurgling sound)

[SilverBlade]

ej, I've been observing you for a while now, hot rod. And I really don't want to hit this one too hard, but I just don't think you're quite ... normal.

[ej]

ej, I've been observing you for a while now, hot rod. And I really don't want to hit this one too hard, but I just don't think you're quite ... normal.

Cracka, please...

What's the point of being normal if you can't act abnormal once in a while?

[ninthdoc]

ej, I've been observing you for a while now, hot rod. And I really don't want to hit this one too hard, but I just don't think you're quite ... normal.

Cracka, please...

What's the point of being normal if you can't act abnormal once in a while?

Ah, now I see the problem, you lack challenge. It's much more challenging to be abnormal and act normal than to be normal and act abnormal.

No one seems to be discussing the most interesting point of all this yet. Who is the one of the 5 that the Deanna (Xena) Cylon spoke to as if she knew it to be someone that she believed to be human? "Oh, it's you, I'm sorry, I did not know."

Gaeta? Dawalla? Rosilyn? Too many suspects. I thought about Tigh for the longest time, but I just don't see them having a drunk Cylon. They'd have to call him Bender.

[Aldin]

but I just don't see them having a drunk Cylon. They'd have to call him Bender.

*chuckle*

You have to wonder if it's already decided by the script writers of if they just know that someone who is a major character is going to need to be a cylon. Roslin would certainly be a leading candidate for several reasons, among them:

1) Her spiritual intuition is very cylon-like.
2) She responded so well the the cylon-human hybrid blood infusion.
3) Makes for great irony if Baltar's human and she's cylon.
4) Her name could be a play on ROSwell aLIeN (cute, eh?)

We don't have a clue as to the allegiances of the five - they might very well be in a situation where they would try to help the humans against the other cylons. A conspiracy theorist might even argue that Roslin arranged to be in space at the time of the attacks precisely so that she would inherit whatever government might remain.

~Aldin, who thinks there are a lot of other possibilities too

[ninthdoc]

All excellent points, Aldin. You know the more I think about the plot and your post, Roslin is the likely choice. This series has been (like so many others of late) a satire to our current political situation. Roslin on several occasions has been shown as allowing brutality up to a point before withdrawing back to a more humane stance. How effective would it be for our writers to slap us in the face with a "your leader is your enemy" storyline? Hmmm... Very interesting indeed.

[Draconious]

Was also her idea to seperate the baby from the other chick...

Although I keep expecting the one dude to lift his eye patch and find a red glowing eye under there... but that would be too much terminator lol. Even if it was just a "spy" implant...

[ninthdoc]

Was also her idea to seperate the baby from the other chick...

Although I keep expecting the one dude to lift his eye patch and find a red glowing eye under there... but that would be too much terminator lol. Even if it was just a "spy" implant...

Yeah, I considered the eyepatch angle. But we did see him w/out an eyepatch and no eye at first.

[Aldin]

Draconius,

Yup, the baby thing fits. The willingness to rig the election fits. Her support for Adama over his superior officer fits (what was her name?). Time and time again she has done everything she can do to remain in a position of power with a capacity for decision-making. All of which a normal human politician might have done too...

~Aldin, who considers Tigh, Adama(s) and Starbuck to be 'off-limits'

[ninthdoc]

Well now Aldin, let's not get crazy. Starbuck did have that ability to "figure out" how to fly the Cylon Raider. I'm not writing her off as a suspect just yet. Besides, both she and Roslin have used Lee Adama to their own advantage. I noticed that you left that out of your analysis of Roslin supporting Bill Adama over Admiral Kane. Don't forget in the original miniseries and early in the first season, she conscripted Lee to be her intermediary between the presidency and the military (whatever the hell that was supposed to be).

[Aldin]

Kane! That's right! Yeah - I almost mentioned the "go between" thing she set up using Lee as a lever on the Old Man. In fact, her and Starbuck both interacting with Lee is a parallel that could be explained if Starbuck is our prototype human. That's why I'm voting against Starbuck - because she strikes me as the measuring stick we're supposed to be using for our "what does it mean to be human?" question. She is the avatar of the best and worst of humanity and her intuition with the raider is precisely that "yankee ingenuity" that human grunts have demonstrated all throughout their war-making years. I also can't figure out the benefit to the writers of having Starbuck as a Cylon - 90% of what that would accomplish is already playing out in Sharon's storyline.

~Aldin, wildly speculating just like it were "Lost" instead of BSG

[SilverBlade]

I've completely given up on guessing where the story line is going. Between Galactica and Heros (my other fav) I just have to content myself to wait and see. But I don't think it's Starbuck either, Although I wish it were. Just because then I would have the hope, albiet faint, of an airlock scene. I have to admit, I'm one of the last "hate the female Starbuck" holdouts. The only reason I don't fuss more about her is because I hate Number 6 ten times worse. Although the whole humanities best and worst angle is one I hadn't credited to her character before. That's a good excuse for making her so extreme. Never the less I've always dismissed both her and what's-her-name Hefler (Number 6) as nothing but babe factor. Can't help but notice that 6 is popping up in Playboy now. I know, I know, shut up about Starbuck, everbody has moved past that now. Well, not quite everybody. But if they wanted a strong female Viper pilot, they had the perfect opportunity with Sheba (from the original series). Particularly since they missed so profoundly with Cat (Kat?). Now I'd really like to see Hotdog take on the character weight that Cat had. He's a great character.

[netherspirit]

Was it just me or did some of the stuff they showed in the "Previously on BSG" segment at the beginning of the show, not happen? Or did I miss something in the last episode or a more previous episode? I don't remember all those civilians being on Galactica, or Helo being reassigned down there...whats up?

[SilverBlade]

DUDE, YES! I've been wondering ever since, where I missed an episode! I didn't miss anything, I know it. What gives?

[dragonfire]

Its wierd because they didn't have it on the week before. I thought i missed an episode but i think they condensed it into the recap. Good episode! Whats the deal with the special scene thing. Is it a deleated scence or a preview?

[allskulls]

No one seems to be discussing the most interesting point of all this yet. Who is the one of the 5 that the Deanna (Xena) Cylon spoke to as if she knew it to be someone that she believed to be human? "Oh, it's you, I'm sorry, I did not know."

Gaeta? Dawalla? Rosilyn? Too many suspects. I thought about Tigh for the longest time, but I just don't see them having a drunk Cylon. They'd have to call him Bender.

I suspected D for a while but after Deanna apologized to one of the 5, I have to go with Sam, Starbuck's semi-husband. What other human did she have contact with to the point of needing to apologize? If it is him, he has to be a sleeper, or he is one helluva spy. A spaceball athlete gone guerilla warfare on a Caprica owned by the Cylons...more than his love for Starbuck was keeping him alive.

[SilverBlade]

Hey, Sam... now that would fit.

[Oogie_Da_Bruce]

I saw an interview with Tricia Helfer on AOTS.

She talked of the 4th season, which is filming right now.

When questioned about the final 5, she of course couldn't say anything, but she did say....

"...of the final 5. I know 4 of them."

That leads me to believe that we will be seeing them next season....

.... if not sooner!!!

[netherspirit]

I would bet we see at least one of the final five before the end of this season.

[dragonfire]

I would bet we see at least one of the final five before the end of this season.


I agree. I think its sam. It might be Adama. Remember the Cylon said so. But why would he rat out his own spy? Maybe because he knew they wouldnt belief him?

[Havokscry]

I'm kind of looking forward to BSG going back to the 13 episode season. It just feels that there are too many filler episodes this season and not enough episodes to further the main storyline. If the show was guaranteed to last several seasons like LOST, that would be one thing, but there was concern that it wasn't going to be picked up next season until recently. There is nothing that drives me nuttier than getting hooked on a television series and then having it get cancelled without any closure to the story.

[dragonfire]

I'm kind of looking forward to BSG going back to the 13 episode season. It just feels that there are too many filler episodes this season and not enough episodes to further the main storyline. If the show was guaranteed to last several seasons like LOST, that would be one thing, but there was concern that it wasn't going to be picked up next season until recently. There is nothing that drives me nuttier than getting hooked on a television series and then having it get cancelled without any closure to the story.


Is that true?

[netherspirit]

I'm kind of looking forward to BSG going back to the 13 episode season. It just feels that there are too many filler episodes this season and not enough episodes to further the main storyline. If the show was guaranteed to last several seasons like LOST, that would be one thing, but there was concern that it wasn't going to be picked up next season until recently. There is nothing that drives me nuttier than getting hooked on a television series and then having it get cancelled without any closure to the story.

Can you imagine with the way Season 1 ended, if it didn't get picked up for Season 2? When that episode aired they hadn't been picked up for another season yet! CRAZY!

[Havokscry]

I'm kind of looking forward to BSG going back to the 13 episode season. It just feels that there are too many filler episodes this season and not enough episodes to further the main storyline. If the show was guaranteed to last several seasons like LOST, that would be one thing, but there was concern that it wasn't going to be picked up next season until recently. There is nothing that drives me nuttier than getting hooked on a television series and then having it get cancelled without any closure to the story.


Is that true?

http://tv.ign.com/articles/763/763920p1.html

[dragonfire]

Im shocked. I thought it would be a rating powerhouse.

[netherspirit]

Im shocked. I thought it would be a rating powerhouse.

The change to Sunday night at 10pm might have something to do with the ratings slump this season....

[allskulls]

I'm kind of looking forward to BSG going back to the 13 episode season. It just feels that there are too many filler episodes this season and not enough episodes to further the main storyline.
Totally agree here. And that last "bonus scene" was weaker than kool-aid in the ocean.

The filler scene I do want to see is Ty and Helo finishing what they started. I used to really like Helo, but he seems to be watered down now. He was a frackin civilian doctor's secretary for gods' sake! And he gets away with murder, arguably literally. I want Ty to mop him up a bit.

[Oogie_Da_Bruce]

Forgot to mention that in the same interview, Trisha said that there were plans after season 4 wraps that they were going to do another miniseries/movie.

If this is true, then god forbid that the show doesn't get renewed, they can end the storylines in a proper manner.

Either way, more BSG is a good thing.

[SilverBlade]

I would love a new mini series. btw votes for a favorate episode?

"33" would be one of my top favs. From the 1st season when they were getting raided every 33 minutes. I forget the name of it, but the one where Apollo led a viper strike against the asteroid mine. That one to.

[netherspirit]

Anyone seen any news on the show Caprica that was in talks? If there was doubt that there would be a 4th season of BSG maybe they scrapped Caprica?

Anyways...favorite episodes...hmmmm

"33" is definately in the top 3. It was seriously the most dramatic and tense hour of TV I have seen in a long long time.

The Season 1 finale (Kobal's Last Gleaming Part 2) was great because of the guts it took to end the season that way before they had been picked up for a second season.

The 4th episode of this season (Exodus Part 2) was also amazing. The atmosphere jump of Galactica and the sacrifice of the Pegasus. All great stuff!

Those are probably my three favorite, all tied, equally good.

[dragonfire]

Caprica is still in development and so is a movie directed by none other then Richard Hatch. Is this season not as good. The episodes havent been as exciting or nerve racking.

[SilverBlade]

They've been focusing more on human issues / emotional drama this season than the more action oriented earlier stuff. You need both, but honestly I just don't think they can do the human drama bit. It just seems to degress into sleeze.

I'm curoius, is anybody else put off by that. The smut scenes around Baltar, Six, Starbuck, and just about any body else they can think of? They say sex sells, and they're right. But when it's that transparent, I just feel insulted. Like I won't follow a show unless it flashes saucey clevage at me. They did the same exact thing with the Star Trek: Enterprise premier episode and the infamous T'Pol / Tucker decontamination cream rub down. It said to me: we don't think you're smart enough to think for yourself so we'll give you a hormone rush so you'll keep watching. I didn't.

With BSG, it's the action I look forward to. And it doesn't have to be expensive FX. This week's airlock malfunction made for pretty good suspense I thought. Definately beats watching six straddle Baltar on a beach. The human elements are absolutely essencial if the show is to survive. they just can't do it. Maybe that's why the show's success is in question.

[ninthdoc]

I agree that this year has been slow going. They seem to have lost their intensity and focus. I really thought that 20 episodes would be a good thing. I should have realized that the edginess of this show necessitates a short season (like those of The Shield) to keep the viewer wanting more. I hope they can turn this around.

[Jonathan]

I thought "Unfinished Business" (the boxing episode) was really interesting, and seeing mustachioed Adama and fat Apollo is one of my favorite moments in the entire series.

[jaques]

They've been focusing more on human issues / emotional drama this season than the more action oriented earlier stuff. You need both, but honestly I just don't think they can do the human drama bit. It just seems to degress into sleeze.

I'm curoius, is anybody else put off by that. The smut scenes around Baltar, Six, Starbuck, and just about any body else they can think of? They say sex sells, and they're right. But when it's that transparent, I just feel insulted. Like I won't follow a show unless it flashes saucey clevage at me. They did the same exact thing with the Star Trek: Enterprise premier episode and the infamous T'Pol / Tucker decontamination cream rub down. It said to me: we don't think you're smart enough to think for yourself so we'll give you a hormone rush so you'll keep watching. I didn't.

With BSG, it's the action I look forward to. And it doesn't have to be expensive FX. This week's airlock malfunction made for pretty good suspense I thought. Definately beats watching six straddle Baltar on a beach. The human elements are absolutely essencial if the show is to survive. they just can't do it. Maybe that's why the show's success is in question.

There's a huge difference between the sex in BSG and that atrocious ST:E decontamination scene.

If the makers of BSG had done that scene, here's how it would have gone: Tucker would have been highly embarrassed to strip down to his underwear, while T'pol would have shucked everything without hesitation. Instead of luridly focusing the camera on Tucker's hands rubbing goo across T'pol's midriff, the view would have cut between T'pol's utterly emotionless face as she lectured him on the illogic of keeping his shorts on while trying to decontaminate himself of deadly radiation and Tucker's uncomfortable, even queasy expression as he tried to avoid thinking about having his hands all over a beautiful woman.

In other words, the scene would have been about what drives the characters, not about pointlessly showing off the physical attributes of the female lead. All the sex in BSG is that way -- it's in there, deliberately, to reflect on the personalities of the characters.

There's a reason why almost all the sex in the show involves Baltar and Starbuck. It's because those two characters are neurotically obsessed with sex. They have 'issues.' We don't see Callie and the chief having sex, or the Agathons getting it on. We don't see much of Apollo and Dee in the sack.

We did see Tigh's wife being a slut -- because it's an important facet of what makes Tigh the person he is. In my view, it also made her self-sacrificing death much more powerful, having seen exactly how low she was willing to go.

You can claim that the show would be able to communicate these sexual neuroses without actually portraying the sex in such an overt way, but you can't claim that the sex has nothing to do with the story, as was the case in that ST:E scene.

[Aldin]

That is an excellent point, Jacques! None of the BSG steam is really gratuitous - it's character driven. Of course, the writers are the ones who created the characters driving it ;)

~Aldin, sexily

[SilverBlade]

OMG! ALDIN WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO YOURSELF?!
Dude, you're the ambassador of HS, the bestower of laurels, the advocate of newbies.
Acertain decorum is called for. ***Blihck***

[dragonfire]

I agree that sex is usually a ploy to sell more. But i agree with that it isn't meaningless in BSG, its character driven. I hope for more war/battle episodes. I also hope to see more suspense in later episodes.

[Joah]

Am I the only one that thinks the move to Sunday night sucks?

I haven't seen a single new episode since the move. :x

[ninthdoc]

Am I the only one that thinks the move to Sunday night sucks?

I haven't seen a single new episode since the move. :x

Yes, it does suck. I believe I predicted it would be a bad move. I still see them, though. I record Dresden and BSG during their second showings on Sunday nights and watch as time permits.

[dragonfire]

what would a new miniseries mean. New characters?

[SilverBlade]

OK. Last night's episode was good. I don't know that I'd be very buddy-buddy with Adama any more. First he pelted the feldercarb out of the guy in a "friendly" boxing match, then he threatens to stand Tyrol's wife up in front of a firing squad. Between him and Caine, Tyrol seems to have pretty bad luck with admirals.

[Buddy Lee]

Actually. I was kinda hoping for Adama, Tigh, or someone else to walk into the hanger bay, pull out a pistol, summarily execute someone, and say, "Get back to work."

Demented. Probably.

Edgy. Definately.

Buddy Lee

[Supergeek]

A buddy of mine has been trying to get me to watch the show with him for quite a while now and he loaned me the mini-series dvd several weeks ago. I finally watched it last night and loved it.
Now I've got like three or four seasons to catch up on. I knew there was a reason I never watched the mini-series.

[Sweetcurse]

I'm sorry if it has been asked already, but does anyone know when season three dvds come out?

[netherspirit]

I'm sorry if it has been asked already, but does anyone know when season three dvds come out?

Considering its not done airing yet, I imagine it will be awhile yet...

[Sweetcurse]

I asked because last year they came out with 2.0 around this time and 2.5 in October. Thanks Nether.

[ninthdoc]

I asked because last year they came out with 2.0 around this time and 2.5 in October. Thanks Nether.

Yes, but this year is a longer season than the last. They've been monkeying with their marketing this year, which is probably why their ratings have been suffering.

[Havokscry]

About time something happened on the show. :shock:

Wonder if she'll come back as one of the five.

[Maska]

F-me

[dragonfire]

starbucks dead!

[Jandars_Hope]

What episode are you guys up to over in the states?
In the Uk, this week, we have the episode after Unfinished Business.

[SilverBlade]

starbucks dead!

Yeah, I don't know where they're going with this. But of one thing we can all be certain: Starbuck is anything but dead! I don't know, we're definately not in Kansas anymore, Lil' Daggit. I could see them doing something with Stabuck similar to the "Look at me, I'm an ascended being now. :neener:" thing they did with Daniel Jackson in SG-1. Course they won't keep her that way.

...Unless we are working up to the end of the series. Ooh, A BSG feature film. Yeah.

[Maska]

We just had Episode 18 here in the states.

As for another film, They still have an entire season 4 to go...

[Sweetcurse]

You guys really should put spoiler warnings. This spoliage is most unacceptable. I'm really PO. :evil:

[netherspirit]

You guys really should put spoiler warnings. This spoliage is most unacceptable. I'm really PO. :evil:

You shouldn't have come in here without watching last night's episode.

Read sticky on spoilers.
http://heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=3199

[Dennys]

I'm just wondering what is ON that planet.. in the storm...

[SilverBlade]

Yeah, sorry 'boat spoiling it. That would suck for certain. On the other hand, I avoided the Ghost Rider thread for just that reason, only to have to walk out and demand a refund when my 5 y/o started crying from the scarry images which were NO WHERE in the trailers. I was more than POed. I was F*****G furious!

[netherspirit]

Yeah, sorry 'boat spoiling it. That would suck for certain. On the other hand, I avoided the Ghost Rider thread for just that reason, only to have to walk out and demand a refund when my 5 y/o started crying from the scarry images which were NO WHERE in the trailers. I was more than POed. I was F*****G furious!

The movie was rated PG-13 for a reason...

You made the decision to take your son to a movie that rated for kids 13+. How is it their (the theater's) fault that you made a bad decision and why should they pay for it?

[Draconious]

more than likely they will say she ejected, and the chute just took a while to open... or they will do some "oh it was all just a dream" sequence... lol.

Simple yet well known rule about 5 year olds and movies... your supose to watch the movie once with out them first.. THEN take them....

[SilverBlade]

Appearantly I'm a little fuzzy on where the PG / PG-13 line is. But the previews were very tame. Of course I knew GR is a flamming skeleton, but the kids were pretty stoked about that. My problem was that there were no trailer shots of the bad guys making scarry faces. In the past, anytime I saw Marvel I just assumed it was going to be kid friendly. Won't make that mistake again.

As for why was it the theater's fault: It wasn't. But they were sensable enough to see my point immediately and kindly offered me some free passes. Now if I could shove them up the appropriate film marketers anatomy I would. Otherwise I'll just have to wait until I can find a babysitter to redeem them.

[Sweetcurse]

True Nether, but it wouldn't hurt to write a reminder before you say something, it takes like what 5 seconds?

But I understand, rules are rules and that's that. :?

[Havokscry]

It's kind of hard to have a discussion thread without spoiling something to someone. Most people refuse to go into threads such as these until they've seen the latest episode.

As for Ghost Rider, he's from Hell. The majority of his enemies are from Hell. Hell (from what I hear) is supposed to be a scary place.

[Oogie_Da_Bruce]

Finnally caught up...

The first half hour was fun watching Starbuck loose it... seeing things and going mental. And always fun to see a good Viper/Raider dogfight even if it was in her fracked up little head.

I was wondering if the Cylons had implanted something into her brain that was allowing Leoben to communicate with her and that the Cylons were hiding in the storm, unware to DRADIS.

"Kara Thrace and Her Special Destiny", sounds more like a bad cover band.

Looks like we'll be finding out more about her "Special Destiny". She did recover the Arrow of Apollo, paint the Eye of Jupiter, and now is plunged into a seemingly unescapable death.

But she's not dead. Maybe a Cylon, maybe in another plane of existance. The place between life and death. She is definatly connected to the Final Five somehow, if not one of them, perhaps an emmesary.

Great Frackin Show!

[Maska]

After watching last nights show... I think I have 2 words that sum up the last 3 episodes and the next one.

Kaamala Extract


But that's my theory. ;)

[SilverBlade]

Is it just me, or is everybody on Galactica going schizoid?!?

Let's see...
The most brilliant mind humanity has left is crazy.
The machine that the most brilliant human mind hallucinates about is also crazy.
The supreme military commander sees and hears his dead wife.
His second in command is hearing things because of his dead wife.
The supreme civilian authority is having self induced nacrotic hallucinations.
Her senior assistant is just coming apart at the seems.
The best fighter pilot they had is now in hallucinagenic La La land. (This is particularly troubling since she's supposedly important to the whole 'finding Earth' bit.)
Have I missed anyone?

At this rate, I give the rest of humanity about 3 months. Tops.

I'm just saying...

[Dennys]

You forgot:
The CAG threw away his career
The Chief committed mutiny

I think the only sane one is Boomer.....

[Homba]

So Anders, Tigh and the Pres's spokeswoman can hear the weird tune? That is verrrrrrry strange. Don't know where they're going with that. Oh wait, it's obvious - they are each one of the Final Five hahaha

What was with that significant stare between Anders and the spokeswoman when she'd sat down at the bar?

What did Tyrol do, Dennys? Mutiny? On this episode (or you mean the factory episode)? I can't remember.

The scene where Lee resigned was great. Damn it is hard to watch Lee and his dad fight. Very uncomfortable. And now Dee is leaving Lee! Finally!

Laura has cancer again... crap. Where is the hybrid baby right about now? On Galactica, right? That sets up a huge battle about consent if they'll aim to try the blood transfusion again.

Great stuff, my wife and I look forward to BSG even more than we do Lost.

H

[Dennys]

The struggle between Lee and the Admiral is one of the greatest angsts of the series.

Lee is caught between the proverbial rock and a hard place throughout everything. He seeks his fathers approval, yet also needs to stretch his boundries to be complete to himself. Unfortunately, he is in a subordinate postion, both family wise, and occupationally, so he can't shine without breaking either mold. And, in doing so, he gets dissapproval.

Note how Lee shines everytime he is independant of his father (Either leading in space or on ground missions). Yet, in order to be effective, he has to be outside the zone of control.

In some ways, Lee is the fusion of personalities between the Admiral and Starbuck. Reckless enough to use any opportunity to his advantage, stoic enough to realize when to stop and reassess.

I think the Admiral is afraid of what power his son actually may posess as a leader.....

[Aldin]

I think Lee is doing all the wrong things for all the right reasons.

I found the music growing steadily louder as they approached the nebula to be fascinating. It was only Tigh and Kara's husband that heard it, right? Gives me every reason to believe they're Cylons.

~Aldin, robotically

[Havokscry]

The song sounds like Dylan's "All Along the Watchtower".

[Havokscry]

what an ending! :shock:

[Draconious]

and the fighter came from where? a cylon carrier most likely... so we know the 5 ;)

[Mystic Blue]

You remember (way back from season 1 or early 2, I think) the prophecy that a leader would rise to lead the people back to Earth, but wouldn't complete the journey? Everyone assumes it's Roslin.

I think it's Starbuck.

During Maelstrom Starbuck's spiritual guide looks like Leobin (what number is he, anyway?), but isn't. He even says as much. That make the probability of her being a Cylon much lower, since they have only mentioned God, but never other spiritual beings. Now she's back in an old class of Viper (the hubby pointed out the different design to me) and she's been to Earth. Her being the fifth Cylon would be far too easy an out. But if she was the one to show the fleet the path to Earth... well that would be something of a twist. I think that's more likely.

And if anybody finds the version of All Along the Watchtower that plays during the episode (with the cool sitar-sounding chords running through it), please send me a PM! iTunes has been giving me no love today.

[Maska]

I still say Kaamala Extract is involved... :twisted:

[ej]

I usually watch BSG (or any show) as reclined as inhumanly possible, comfortable almost to the point of unconsciousness... but the last five minutes of last nights episode had me on the literal edge of my seat... and not just to make sure I didn't fart in the cushion.

[Dennys]

And now we wait to 2008 ?!

How may shows in that season? 3?

Sheesh!

[Malechi]

Okay, so I am not the biggest fan of BSG, but a 9 month Hiatus?!? Who the hell do they think they are the Sopranos?

[Maska]

And now we wait to 2008 ?!

How may shows in that season? 3?

Sheesh!

20 episodes in season 3

[ninthdoc]

I don't know what to think. Surely Ellen, Tirol's wife, or Starbuck saw one of these folks naked at some time in their marriages. If we will recall back to Part 1 of the original miniseries, the evolved Cylons have red light that goes up and down their spine at that "special moment".

Also, does this mean that Tirol's child is also a hybird? So our doctor couldn't determine that Tirol was not human 3 episodes ago when he had to go in and get checked out after his exposure to the vacuum of space with no suit? Tigh a Cylon? Damn, he's was one of my favorites. I like the conflicted characters (Andy Sipowicz was my favorite character on NYPD Blue very early because of how truly human he was).

The original series got very religious. There were several episodes where Apollo, Starbuck, and Sheba were "dead" and some very powerful being changed their uniforms white and put them on a planet to conduct the business of angels only to return them to Galactica later. Also, Patrick MacNee guest starred on 2 episodes and played a character that was supposed to be the Devil. We found out then that he created the Cylon race and that the "toasters" we knew from the original series were a reptilian race that had evolved into a mechanical race. The only remnant of their previous reptilian form was the crest on their helmets.

The current version has dabbled with religion (sometimes more heavily than others). Of course Starbuck wasn't "dead". The inclusion of "All Along the Watchtower" also has religious overtones. I kind of feel about that how Imax feels about the line "We don't need no stinkin' barges," in one of the Eragon books. It seems out of place.

I dunno, the last 2 or three episodes of this has seemed like when David Milch was stoned and doing NYPD Blue. It seems directionless and w/out focus. It wasn't even that great of a cliffhanger.

BTW, I, too, noticed the "previously" scenes that I'd never seen. I'm sorry I've been absent from this thread. The Sunday night thing did not work for me. I would end up watching the episodes a week or two after they aired.

Oh and Silverblade, WTF? Ghost Rider's lore has always been about him being in the service of a demon. Why would you dream of taking a 5 year old to that movie? The line for a PG-13 move is pretty clear: 13 Y.O.A.. My 7 year old wanted to see that movie desperately. Other boys in his first grade class got to go, but I said, "No." Children shouldn't always get what they want. It's our job as fathers to set limits.

[Aldin]

Let's play "strange events" for a moment.

We have:

Tigh
Starbuck's husband
Roslyn's Aide
Chief Terril

as hearers of music.

We also have:

Starbuck
Roslyn
Baltar
Bill Adama (sort of - his wife only)
the mystic woman who Starbuck went to (maybe)

as presumably non-cylon seers of visions.

The only problem is that there are only five super secret cylon slots to fill and seven solid candidates to fill them.

If Roslyn and Starbuck (and perhaps the "chosen one" Baltar) are under the same "spiritual guidance" then presumably they are either both or neither Cylons. If neither is and the music hearers are we are left with two mysteries - who's the fifth and why do Roslyn, Starbuck and Baltar have Cylon-style visions? If both are then the music hearers aren't Cylon and we're left to wonder, what's with the music?

No matter how I run the numbers I come up with an as yet unrevealed faction needing to come into play, much like the Watchers in the Highlander series.

~Aldin, 4+3=7

[Mystic Blue]

Starbuck
Roslyn
Baltar
Bill Adama (sort of - his wife only)
the mystic woman who Starbuck went to (maybe)
I would disagree on Adama. I feel like him seeing and talking to his wife was a way of expressing to the viewers his own internal conflict between his duty and his home life (or what his home life used to be). It didn't seem to me like he actually "saw" his wife so much as he was thinking about her and what he thought she would say about his various actions throughout the day.

Of course, you've also got to count Caprica Six in there, because she's seeing visions of Baltar in her head that she isn't telling anyone else about. She even gives Hera to Baltar-in-her-head in the opera house, when she told Athena and Roslyn that she felt she had to protect Hera at all costs. So that means she thinks Baltar-in-her-head is a safe person. I'm not sure why that is, though. And though we know she's a Cylon, it's extremely odd that she's manifesting the same sorts of symptoms (ps_ychosis?) as Baltar, who I'm pretty sure is human. I am curious to see what happens when/if the two of them get together in the same room with all their mental manifestations.

If Roslyn and Starbuck (and perhaps the "chosen one" Baltar) are under the same "spiritual guidance" then presumably they are either both or neither Cylons. If neither is and the music hearers are we are left with two mysteries - who's the fifth and why do Roslyn, Starbuck and Baltar have Cylon-style visions? If both are then the music hearers aren't Cylon and we're left to wonder, what's with the music?
If the music hearers aren't Cylons (and they seemed to have no doubts about being Cylons, just the denial that they have been the enemy of all they hold dear this whole time), then I think the music is a signal from Earth. Again, if that's true, it will have to be resolved pretty darned quick in the first episode of next season.

I have noticed a distinct turn towards mysticism in the series. Early on, there was more actual religion to it, with the finding of the Tomb of Athena on Kobol being more like a sign post left by another civilization (with a lot of technology) that was hinted at in religious texts. And we all just assumed Baltar was crazy (or at least I did :P). Now even the monotheists are turning to mystical revelations (Three's discovery of the Final Five's identities) and everyone on Galactica is seeing or hearing things. Not that I mind the supernatural element, I just think it seems a little sudden, going from coincidence to full on sign-from-a-higher-power very, very quickly.

[Aldin]

I disagree on Adama too (thus the italics), but felt he needed to be included so that I didn't have to deal with the inevitable "But what about Adama, he saw things too?" question :)

C-6, Sharon and Hera as known Cylons/half-Cylon are sharing a vision with Roslyn who is presumably human. The vision is of the exact same style as that experienced by Starbuck and Baltar. This is the only mystical experience which seems to be shared by both... unless one of two things is true:

1) Roslyn, Baltar and Starbuck are members of the Five. This makes them Cylons and neatly explains the vision conundrum. It also means the Chief's kid isn't a hybrid, which seems important, though perhaps a Fiver hybrid would be a different thing entirely from a Sevener hybrid.

2) Roslyn is one of the five and the shared visions are in some way different from those experienced by Starbuck and Baltar. This would still allow for the music hearers to be Fivers, but would beg the question of why Roslyn didn't hear music.

What I was really trying to get at though, was that no matter how you slice it, we have TWO mysterious factions - Music and Vision - and only ONE mysterious group to fill, the Five. Thus my theory that there MUST be an additional mysterious faction about which we currently know little to nothing, but is presumably tied up with Earth and the old gods.

~Aldin, speculatively

[Mystic Blue]

I disagree on Adama too (thus the italics), but felt he needed to be included so that I didn't have to deal with the inevitable "But what about Adama, he saw things too?" question :)
Ah, gotcha :).

1) Roslyn, Baltar and Starbuck are members of the Five. This makes them Cylons and neatly explains the vision conundrum. It also means the Chief's kid isn't a hybrid, which seems important, though perhaps a Fiver hybrid would be a different thing entirely from a Sevener hybrid.
It does explain the vision thing. I just think (hope?) that they won't take the easy way out. Baltar has done some pretty morally gray (bleeding to black) things to save his own skin. To give him the justification that he was a Cylon anyway and wasn't betraying his race seems awfully weak at this point. I don't think Starbuck is a Cylon for the ease factor, again. She found out at the very end of her vision that the guy who looks like Leoben isn't actually Leoben. So that gives some wiggle room for a non-Cylon spiritual guide. Roslyn might be experiencing the visions due to the half-Cylon cells she was given to cure her cancer.

And if the Chief's kid is a hybrid, I think it would be, as you said, different from Athena and Helo's kid because of the differences between the five and the seven.

2) Roslyn is one of the five and the shared visions are in some way different from those experienced by Starbuck and Baltar. This would still allow for the music hearers to be Fivers, but would beg the question of why Roslyn didn't hear music.
Right when the music is starting to crescendo and the lights go out, Roslyn clutches her head and leans over the command table. Could be she was hearing the music while still resisting the call. Or it could be something to do with the half-Cylon cells. Or it could be just the cancer killing her not-so-softly.

What I was really trying to get at though, was that no matter how you slice it, we have TWO mysterious factions - Music and Vision - and only ONE mysterious group to fill, the Five. Thus my theory that there MUST be an additional mysterious faction about which we currently know little to nothing, but is presumably tied up with Earth and the old gods.
I think we can tie up all the loose people hearing/seeing things until we have a group of five: Tigh, Tory, Anders, the Chief, and Roslyn. But I could be completely wrong and your theory about a third faction (in addition to human and Cylon) making itself known could be completely correct.

The Five puzzle me, though. Why did they leave? They aren't spoken of in polite Cylon society, but the Cylons get a glimpse of them just before resurrection.

What I think (and this could just be me dreaming here) is that the Five thought the Cylon plan to destroy the humans was crap and left. Resurrection and cloning and making war with the sole purpose of annihilation just wasn't what God would want for his children. So they abandoned the Cylons to their fate, erased their own memories, and went to live as humans that they might find faith in God again, proving that a) humans are capable of finding the path of truth without being brow beaten into it and b) the Seven were wrong, wrong, wrong. Again, just my theory, and if I were being consulted, this would be the way I would go. I'm not saying that the Five are correct in their assumption that they can just miraculously convert, I just think it's a great plot turner if they made the assumption in the first place.

~Mystic, hoping she's being more thoughtful than argumentative and because stealing Aldin's thing is fun ^___^

[Aldin]

Hmm. I don't see it as argumenative at all - it's a good discussion of the topic. So we write off Baltar's visions as related to whatever 6 did to him, Roslyn's as either an effect of the Kaamala or the transfusion and make Starbuck the fifth Fiver?

I really, really like Roslyn's inclusion in the vision as being related to the transfusion. It means that everyone involved - Baltar, C6, Athena and Roslyn are either physically or spiritually related to Hera via a Cylon connection.

In my mind, Baltar has done several unforgiveable things - none of which anyone knows about. Giving the nuke to the Six, faking the results of the Cylon tester, and right back at the beginning - stealing the old woman's ticket off Caprica.

I can't quite fathom why the Five are preceived in a spiritual way by the Seven. Or why they were tied to that temple. Or what they have to do with Hera. It almost seems to me that perhaps the Seven have been cast out and are trying to earn their way back into fellowship with the Five through their interactions with humanity. Thus, on the one hand, the desire to reconcile with and lead humans on the planet, mingled with another faction that wants to destroy them and a third that believes interbreeding to be the conduit (and has thus perhaps fallen into love - the true conduit?). Perhaps the monotheism is the blasphemy for which they were exiled.

~Aldin, who imagines that Tigh was the one who surprised Lucy Lawless' Cylon.

[ninthdoc]

I keep coming back to the religious aspect of this show. The common theme in season 2 was, "who said the human race was worthy of being saved?"

Now we have not one, but four popular Cylons in the crew. It reminds me of passages in The Bible that talk about angels walking among us. I keep wondering if these four will speak on the human race's behalf. After all, they decided to stick to their lives and duties despite discovering that they were Cylons. :confused:

[jaques]

Just to stir up trouble, I'll point out that almost all of these questions and points of confusion pretty much answer themselves if everyone's a Cylon.

[ninthdoc]

Just to stir up trouble, I'll point out that almost all of these questions and points of confusion pretty much answer themselves if everyone's a Cylon.

Who let that guy in here :?:

J/K, jaques.

That is a good point, but IMHO, I don't see it headed quite there.

[Mystic Blue]

So we write off Baltar's visions as related to whatever 6 did to him, Roslyn's as either an effect of the Kaamala or the transfusion and make Starbuck the fifth Fiver?
I'm less likely to add Starbuck to the list of Cylons. I really believe she's going to lead everyone to Earth but die in a very cool, Starbuck kind of way so she never actually makes it the full distance. Of those three, I think Roslyn has the most chance of being a Cylon (after all, why did an infusion of Cylon cells cure her disease? And why haven't the medical personnel been all over that as a potential miracle cure?).

I really, really like Roslyn's inclusion in the vision as being related to the transfusion. It means that everyone involved - Baltar, C6, Athena and Roslyn are either physically or spiritually related to Hera via a Cylon connection.
Oh, same here. It's obvious they're setting Hera up to be very important in the next season and at this point the child-actress may have some actual important roles other than sitting there looking cute or toddling around an opera house. I'm not entirely sure Baltar in the visions is actually Baltar. I think it's more likely Baltar-in-Six's-Head. So an extension of C6, but still not quite Baltar. There's so much there with C6 and Baltar that can go a number of different ways depending on what it means that they have pieces of one another in their heads.

Something else interesting is the female triplet in the dream. Extremely subtle (so subtle I might be reaching too far! :P) triple goddess imagery:
C6 is the maiden, Athena the mother, Roslyn the crone. Again, I might be reaching and even if I'm not, I'm not sure what it means aside from the fact that Hera is extremely special and must be protected.

I can't quite fathom why the Five are preceived in a spiritual way by the Seven. Or why they were tied to that temple. Or what they have to do with Hera. It almost seems to me that perhaps the Seven have been cast out and are trying to earn their way back into fellowship with the Five through their interactions with humanity. Thus, on the one hand, the desire to reconcile with and lead humans on the planet, mingled with another faction that wants to destroy them and a third that believes interbreeding to be the conduit (and has thus perhaps fallen into love - the true conduit?). Perhaps the monotheism is the blasphemy for which they were exiled.
Ooooh, meaty goodness here.

Hmmm. Based on that conclusion, I think the Five have been elevated (perhaps villified a bit?) by the Seven and though they still have some sort of access to their knowledge of the Five (through resurrection), they can't, or have lost the ability to, tap into that knowledge directly.

From what I recall, the attempts to reconcile on New Caprica were the result of a campaign by Boomer and Caprica 6. And their revelations seemed to be based on their knowledge of love. That does, to some degree, support the theory that they've been cast out and are trying to find a conduit. But still, it seems like they might have said more about the Five if they were trying to get back in their good graces. I think it's more likely that they broke away from the Five than that they were cast out.

And then there's the fun number stuff, which doesn't really have anything to do with what I was saying above :P. Twelve Cylons and twelve colonies makes me wonder if there's some deeper connection there, if the human shape Cylons were created to be incarnations of the Twleve Colonies, like gods to the Cylons, but the human shape Cylons (or some of them, at least) decided to go against programming and dedicate themselves to a single higher power. We don't hear anything about what the centurions think. It would be interesting to see their perspective, but I fear they're just the faceless drones and the only Cylons with any emotions are the numbered ones.

~Aldin, who imagines that Tigh was the one who surprised Lucy Lawless' Cylon.
Me too :cry:

I did not like Saul Tigh much before this episode. He was a drunk, oblivious to his wife's infatuations with other men, and he had a blind spot for her that was bigger than the one he has now. I respected his decision to kill Ellen. She had done something that got a lot of people killed for his sake. The rest of the resistance would have turned on her. There's just no way to live with a potential traitor in the ranks when things are so bad. Tigh took her aside, killed her quietly, and mourned for her. I respected that. I just didn't necessarily like it. Once he was back on Galactica he was party to a number of actions that I didn't quite agree with (the secret jury, stirring up trouble for Adama with Starbuck, going back to drinking, etc.) and I was thinking that he was washed up. Within the last couple of weeks, he's gotten himself put together again and was actually presentable.

His speech, though, standing in front of the other three, pushed him back into likeable territory. He has honor, he wants to keep it. He's an officer in the Colonial Fleet and he wants to keep that. He didn't say it, but he has friends and people he loves on the ship (at least Adama), and he wants to keep them. Giving up just isn't in him and it's an admirable trait. I want to see Tigh succeed. He's going to make mistakes because his judgement is just fundamentally flawed, but he's going to be making the bad choices for the right reasons.

Now we have not one, but four popular Cylons in the crew. It reminds me of passages in The Bible that talk about angels walking among us. I keep wondering if these four will speak on the human race's behalf. After all, they decided to stick to their lives and duties despite discovering that they were Cylons.
I'm curious about that as well. I imagine that they will continue to act as humans for at least the first half of next season, but I can't ever see any of them giving up the human race to the Cylons(though Boomer's memory was sort of overridden by her programming at one point, so they may not have that choice).

The Cylon religion itself is also interesting. Most of what we know about it has been through Caprica 6 (and the C6 in Baltar's head) and it hasn't told us much. We know they're monotheists and that they call their deity God and that they tend to keep to the tenets of Christianity, but not a lot else. I can't remember if there have ever been references to Heaven or angels and if so, where are the Cylons getting this information? Have they been in contact with Earth in the past and imported that tiny part of human culture into their programming? I have the feeling they aren't going to make things any clearer than they have to and I am afraid one day the series will be cancelled and we'll be left with a lot of questions.

Also, I'll try not to be so long-winded in the future (or else people are going to start saying I'm stealing Neurosion's thing :P).

[noodles]

Adama has known Tigh longer than the Cylons have existed. How are they going to explain that?

And I don't think they can aid the humans if their programming takes over. They will snap just like Boomer did at the end of season 1 at some point. I just wonder how Hera, Baltar, and the President will fit into it.

And is Starbuck only in Adama's head or was she "resurrected"? She didn't appear on anybody else's radar.

I love this frackin show.

[allskulls]

I've been behind in my watching so I stayed away from this thread. Caught up last night.

:shock:

I knew Sam was a cylon but did not suspect the others. The biggest shock was of coarse Tigh. I do like how he handled it and led the others into taking their roles. Maybe we will get to see him and Helo finish what they started :twisted:

[Baconsteak]

I can't remember if there have ever been references to Heaven or angels and if so, where are the Cylons getting this information? Have they been in contact with Earth in the past and imported that tiny part of human culture into their programming? I have the feeling they aren't going to make things any clearer than they have to and I am afraid one day the series will be cancelled and we'll be left with a lot of questions.

Theres been a handful of occasions where the six in Baltar's head referred to herself as "An Angel of God" sent to protect or guide him.

Ron Moore has said already that the 4 revealed in the season finale are without a doubt cylons, theres no bait and switch going on with what was revealed there, but they are "fundamentally different" from what we know of the other seven. He's also said that they put a lot of work into developing proper backstory to be revealed in season 4 that will show how in the frak Tigh can be a cylon when he was around before the war.

That's plenty vague and can only be speculated as to what that can really mean.

I've been kicking around thoughts involving these 4 being decendents of the last time an organic race created machines that evolved into biological machines and interbred with them. IE a time a few thousand years ago and involving whatever went down with The Lords of Kobol and the exodus of the 13th tribe and the founding of the 12 colonies.

They've focused on the cycle of this all happening over and over again... and for these final five to have such signifigance involving ancient events like the temple of five leads me to believe they are some carry over from the last cycle.

A race creates another race, that creation usurps its creators but maintains a link to them over time until they themselves reach a level of technology to make it happen all over again.

I dunno I kinda rambled a bit too towards the end here... there are still many things that don't jive with anything at all and we cant truly know until the story is over, but I absolutely love this show and the way it can make your mind spiral into all sorts of possible explanations.

2008 can't come quick enough!

[dragonfire]

Adama has known Tigh longer than the Cylons have existed. How are they going to explain that?

And I don't think they can aid the humans if their programming takes over. They will snap just like Boomer did at the end of season 1 at some point. I just wonder how Hera, Baltar, and the President will fit into it.

And is Starbuck only in Adama's head or was she "resurrected"? She didn't appear on anybody else's radar.

I love this frackin show.


Who says the real tigh wasnt kidnapped years ago. My thoughts are that all of the silon models were real people, kidnapped and cloned. Who knows? I am sad. It looks like BSGs coming down the home strech. All it ever needed was to be on a more major channel.

[netherspirit]

I haven't posted here much because I got behind about 4 weeks ago and finally watched them all tonight...

I will go back and read the thread and comment later. I am still trying to absorb what the FRACK just happened...I was literally pulling my hair at the end of the last episode. So much happened....

Lots of reading to do...

[jcb231]

what an ending! :shock:

I know...my jaw was on the floor over not seeing new episodes until 2008!

:-)

Oh, and the show ending was good too.



I was a bit surprised by Tigh being a cylon (or so it seems)....I'm not as up on my backstory as I should be but doesn't his first meeting with Adama predate the cylons? Or were the Cylons around for a lot longer than either Tigh or Adama?

The others don't surprise me all that much (if I were asked to pick three cylons from the recurring characters that is), but I would have pegged chief's wife for the cylon over him.

I'm not sold on Starbuck being a cylon yet....I'm wondering if there is another explantion there.

A lot of loose ends to tie up and 'splainin to do....I'm not 100% sure I understand what physical differences there are between cylons and humans. Are there any? How do they detect them? Why did no medical screening find these cylons? And on and on....I have faith that BSG will not let me down with the answers, as they haven't so far.

[Malechi]

... Lots of reading to do ...

Don't worry, take your time. You've got almost a year before a new BSG episode airs ...

[Homba]

Jammer's review of the final episode is up.

http://www.jammersreviews.com/bsg-3/crossroads2.php

I always look forward to his reviews.

H

[Jandars_Hope]

What a jaw-dropping finale!
So close to Earth but will the whole fleet make it? I'm guessing probably not!
Who s the final cylon model? My money is on Roslin.
Starbuck's alive? As soon as i saw the unknown ship on Dradas i knew it would be Starbuck, but what about that explosion when we thought it was Starbucks ship blowing up?
It kind of explains why Billy (Roslin's previous aide) may have been killed off in the previous series, so that they could have the new assistant be a cylon.
Does anyone remember in a previous series when there was a sabotage on one of the Vipers, could that have been cylon Tyrol? I had my suspiscions
Can't wait for the next series!!!

[Havokscry]

Looks like next season will be the last. :(

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/32611

[ninthdoc]

That totally sucks.

[Jandars_Hope]

I thought they were doing season 4 then finishing with another miniseries-type thing (or the other way around).

[netherspirit]

Sci-Fi is doing the webisode thing again. The 2-hour movie (the first 2 episodes of Season 4) Battlestar Galactica: Razor premieres November 24th and each week between last week and then, during Flash Gordon they are showing "Razor Flashbacks." After they air on TV they are available online. There are 2 so far.

www.scifi.com

[Jandars_Hope]

For Uk Viewers Razor will be on SkyOne on 5th December.

[Aldin]

Thanks for the heads up Nether, BSG had fallen off my radar.

~Aldin, seeking Earth

[ninthdoc]

Thanks for the heads up about the minis being available online. I can't even stomach Flash Gordon long enough to see BSG, especially since it's being cancelled. :cry:

[Nukatha]

Personally I preffered the original series anyways. The Sci-Fi show I watch the most is Stargate.

[Riggler]

Wow! Hope you guys caught Razer. Fraking awesome.

I didn't "ruin" it with any of the webisodes, so it was all new to me. If I missed anything I'll catch it on DVD in December.

[ej]

The webisodes didn't ruin anything, and this is coming from someone who hates spoilers.

[Purplebeard]

SPOILERS BELOW





Ok, so we see the original models in the movie, with a nice little backdrop on the start of the "organic" cylons and Bill Adama's possible "hand" in it. My bet is that Lee is number five. If you think about it, he's always the one pondering the how and why of human pathos, while all his shipmates are duking, nuking, and puking. Not that I would be any different, I'd want a nice tinplate head on the wall too, if my homeworld was done over like an unloved PopTart. My hunch is that the next season will see the organic cylons teaming with the humans as the machine cylons come to realize they are serving just another set of masters again. As you still have the original models cruising around, my guess is there may still be some left over from the first war, and may start to question the path the Cylon race has taken.

On another note, how fracking cool was it to see the original ships and centurions cruising around and furballing it up????? Omigod, I just about peed myself I was so happy to watch that.

AND MARCH NOW???? FOR THE NEXT SEASON??????? WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO JANUARY?

[ej]

I'm going to give it a second viewing before I voice my opinions. Visuals, though... top notch.

[LilMoochie]

It's this Friday! :excited:

My question is- What the frack else does SciFi have to run that Battlestar gets pushed to 10:00 on Fridays? Is "Ghost Hunters" that much of a draw? :grumble:

[netherspirit]

It's this Friday! :excited:

My question is- What the frack else does SciFi have to run that Battlestar gets pushed to 10:00 on Fridays? Is "Ghost Hunters" that much of a draw? :grumble:

More Wrestling? :roll:

[Purplebeard]

Hey, at least they moved it back to Friday nights. Us married family guys are too wiped on a Sunday night to stay up till 10 to see the episode. I can't wait.

[Baconsteak]

The season 4 premier is streaming live on sci.com right now!

I watched the first few minutes of it and forced myself to close it and wait until tonight to watch it with some friends.

What I saw looked awesome though, so glad bsg is back!

[ninthdoc]

Holy crap! That was awesome!

[LilMoochie]

Gaius doesn't make a very good cult leader. He's always so... disoriented. I suppose that's part of his charm. I don't see why Kara doesn't understand why everybody is edgy around her, but OTOH she's got "unreasonable & stubborn" written into her DNA.

That was an awesome scene where Kara stared Anders in the face and said that she'd kill him if he was a cylon. *gulp*

I was so sad when I thought they blew up the circle ship- but I was glad when it was only damaged and it still made the jump.

[ninthdoc]

Gaius doesn't make a very good cult leader. He's always so... disoriented. I suppose that's part of his charm.

I don't think Charles Manson was always very lucid and yet if he were to get out of prison today, some morons would follow him.

I don't see why Kara doesn't understand why everybody is edgy around her, but OTOH she's got "unreasonable & stubborn" written into her DNA.

It's all about perspective. Kara thinks she only went on a 6 hour mission instead of having been dead for 2 months. I'm wondering if she hasn't tripped onto something. I'm beginning to think that Rosalyn is the 5th Cylon.

That was an awesome scene where Kara stared Anders in the face and said that she'd kill him if he was a cylon. *gulp*

I'm very curious how Kara was able to "knock out" Sam the Cylon when she made her break for Rosalyn.

[LilMoochie]

So I've been thinking this over and I can't figure it out. Adama and Tigh were buddies from way back. If Tigh is a Cylon then...

A) Cylon doubling technology predates the first Cylon War. This seems unlikely unless there was a faction of ultra-advanced Cylons who didn't fight.

B) Tigh was replaced with a double without him knowing. We've never known Cylons to replace flesh-and blood humans.

So far all of the Cylons appear to have been born Cylons independent of human counterparts and their infiltration has been only through chance or Machiavellian machinations. If they doubled Tigh, when did they do it? His time in Prison? Who else might they have doubled?


I'm thinking that Rosslyn might be a good candidate for the final Cylon, but if she's a Cylon then having her assistant for a Cylon doesn't make too much theatrical sense. OTOH, it makes for an excellent matchup when Lee Adama goes into Government.

[ninthdoc]

The other thing that is bothering me is how much has been made of Helo and Sharon's baby being a Cylon/Human hybrid when if the chief truly is a Cylon, then his child is also a hybrid.

[jaques]

I don't think there really are 12 models. I think everyone's a cylon. They wiped out all the human beings in the war, and now they're just trying to keep themselves busy.

[LilMoochie]

I don't think there really are 12 models. I think everyone's a cylon. They wiped out all the human beings in the war, and now they're just trying to keep themselves busy.Since when did the writers of "Heroes" start working on Battlestar?

[Riggler]

I don't think the "five" are cylons. I think its a cylon mind-frack. Maybe during the occupation they inplanted something.

[Draconious]

They are all infected with Cylon STDs... they all DID cylons right? :P

[ninthdoc]

They are all infected with Cylon STDs... they all DID cylons right? :P

STD = Sexually Transmitted Draconius, right?

[nyys]

The other thing that is bothering me is how much has been made of Helo and Sharon's baby being a Cylon/Human hybrid when if the chief truly is a Cylon, then his child is also a hybrid.

That's the 1st thought that came to my mind as well.

I only just saw last year's finale, so it may not be all that fresh for everyone, but I'm having an issue with how 'the four' figured out they're all Cylons. Just because they heard a buzzing/song and converged in the same room?

[ninthdoc]

The other thing that is bothering me is how much has been made of Helo and Sharon's baby being a Cylon/Human hybrid when if the chief truly is a Cylon, then his child is also a hybrid.

That's the 1st thought that came to my mind as well.

I only just saw last year's finale, so it may not be all that fresh for everyone, but I'm having an issue with how 'the four' figured out they're all Cylons. Just because they heard a buzzing/song and converged in the same room?

Not just any buzzing song: All Along the Watchtower!

[Buddy Lee]

I only just saw last year's finale, so it may not be all that fresh for everyone, but I'm having an issue with how 'the four' figured out they're all Cylons. Just because they heard a buzzing/song and converged in the same room?

Don't forget the "IFF" signal that Anders sent. That, IMHO, pretty much confirmed it.

Buddy Lee

[netherspirit]

As everybody knows, being able to hear Jimmy Hendrix music means you are secretly a robot.

All Along the Watchtower was written by Bob Dylan. Hendrix's version was a cover.

[LilMoochie]

It's also unclear if Tigh's vision of him shooting Adama was his imagination or an actual "trigger" that he overcame with willpower. I think there's no doubt that they are cylons but the manner in which they were revealed was strange. These cylons seem to be a different sort of faction than the original 7.

[netherspirit]

As everybody knows, being able to hear Jimmy Hendrix music means you are secretly a robot.

All Along the Watchtower was written by Bob Dylan. Hendrix's version was a cover.

I know, but Hendrix's version is arguably more famous. I was just making a joke.

Hmmm, arguably more famous? I think I could argue the opposite, I had to double check that Hendrix actually did a cover of the song. :P

Dylan's original version is better, imo.

[ninthdoc]

As everybody knows, being able to hear Jimmy Hendrix music means you are secretly a robot.

All Along the Watchtower was written by Bob Dylan. Hendrix's version was a cover.

I know, but Hendrix's version is arguably more famous. I was just making a joke.

Hmmm, arguably more famous? I think I could argue the opposite, I had to double check that Hendrix actually did a cover of the song. :P

Dylan's original version is better, imo.

Total agreement on that. Dylan's original version is the best.

I'm surprised you think Dylan's original is more famous though. Hendrix's version is up there with "Purple Haze" and the Star-spangled Banner in any lineup of classic Hendrix jams. It's played on the radio way more frequnetly than the Dylan version.

Anway, we digress.

Dylan... Hendrix... U2 gets no love?

[Aldin]

Allright, I'm caught up again and WOW - absolutely riveting so far! Cylon civil war! Weird time discrepancies! The Cult of Baltar! I can't remember the last time a TV series had me so thoroughly engaged (I only caught Firefly post-mortem or it might have qualified).

~Aldin, wondering why Boomer switched

[Riggler]

Did anyone catch all the hybrid's words to Starbuck at the end of this weekend's show?

[netherspirit]

Did anyone catch all the hybrid's words to Starbuck at the end of this weekend's show?

Here ya go...

Thus it will come to pass...
A dying leader will know the truth of the opera house
The missing 3 will give you the 5 who come from the home of the 13th.
You are the harbinger of death Kara Thrace, you will lead them all to their death. End of line.

[Hahnarama]

Rosz still dies but sees the truth
They will unbox Xena and she will out the 4 of the 5...

And, just my educated guess, that Apollo is the 5th Skin Job. I mean they gave us the clue.

[netherspirit]

Rosz still dies but sees the truth
They will unbox Xena and she will out the 4 of the 5...

And, just my educated guess, that Apollo is the 5th Skin Job. I mean they gave us the clue.


I think Xena cylon knows all 5.

I'm not sure who the 5th will be.

[Riggler]

Rosz still dies but sees the truth
They will unbox Xena and she will out the 4 of the 5...

And, just my educated guess, that Apollo is the 5th Skin Job. I mean they gave us the clue.


I think Xena cylon knows all 5.

I'm not sure who the 5th will be.

You would think it would be someone that 3 had an intense relationship with who she meet in the fleet before going to the temple. She said something like "I had no idea," when she saw the fifth's face. Now, I can't remember who she had an intense relationship with except for Roslin, since she was playing the part of a reporter and giving the prez heck.

I think a lot of people have mis-interrpreted the "who" that Starbuck is going to lead to their deaths. I think that the answer is it will be the majority of the cylons. Most people I've seen around the net believe it will be the colonists.

[aquaone]

If anyone reading this has original copies of any seasons of this, I'd be interested in purchasing them. I've never seen it go on sale for anything less than retail. :cry: I've enjoyed what I've seen of the show but have a hard time justifying spending $45+ per season or fraction thereof.

[ninthdoc]

What I have found amazing this season is the civil war itself. Way back in 2001, I had the privilege of meeting Richard Hatch, Dirk Benedict, and Herbert Jefferson, Jr. at a con in Plano, TX. For those here under the age of 26, that's Apollo (AKA: Tom Zarek, Starbuck, and Boomer).

Hatch was promoting his self-made trailer of his vision of how to continue the original BSG. The trailer was very cool and featured, you guessed it a Cylon civil war that had caused the evolution of a tougher Cylon race. I keep wondering how much influence he has had on guys producing the current show, since he's involved in it as well.

[Chuckrock]

You know I was looking at some DVr'd episodes and had a little thought. (9th, if this is a repeat I really am apologetic-I was too lazy to read this from it's beginning.)

The 4 new Cylons are planted in very important positions to the main powerful characters.
Ty-Adama
Tory-Prez
Anders-Starbuck
Tyrol-Galactica Flight Deck
This last one was a reach perhaps, but isn't Galactica herself a character and certainly the Vipers are also. I also know he's been demoted, but that's gonna last.

With all that, though, I still can't quite picture who the 5th is completely.

[ninthdoc]

I can see you're thinking, but the sentient Raiders have a lot of living tissue in them that the Galactica does not. As a matter of fact, early on in the original mini series they made much ado about no networked computers being on any fleet ships due to the Cylon threat of computer viruses.

In one episode, Gaida networks Galactica's computers to get a job done faster during a battle in which time was of the essence and the Cylons almost made it through his firewall. In a later episode, the Cylon virus from this attack rears its ugly head and starts randomly cutting off life support to various parts of the ship.

I'm fairly certain, the Galactica is not a Cylon. Plus the latest clue said the final 5 came from Earth, not Caprica.

[jaques]

I just watched Friday's episode -- holy frack, that was awesome!

I loved the way they kept cutting back to Tigh while the plan to reveal the Final Five was being discussed. You could totally see the gears in his head turning!

It was also great the way 6 kept waffling back and forth over the line of really turning into a conscientious good guy and staying stuck in the quagmire of mistrust and hatred.

And then that ending! Wow. Totally never saw that coming. It'll be very interesting to see how it plays out.