UNIT BATTLE ROYALE Battle#31

[LordRaidor]

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BATTLE #31

You Pick The Winner! Vote Every Day!
Championship Battle May 3rd 2009!

Kaemon Awa and Raelin the Kyrie Warrior (RotV) advance!

[Messenger]

Spear and Magic Helmet (http://www.metacafe.com/watch/430148/whats_opera_doc/)


vote for Brunhilda...um, I mean Raelin.

[Flavius Maximus]

Wooo! First post! Kaemon FTW!
Second

[NecroBlade]

Wooo! First post!
No, not really. ;)

KAEMON AWASOME! :headbang:

[Bro-man]

Hope raelin gets into the next round.

[Firemaster]

Looking at the bracket, it is all but guaranteed that it is going to be Raelin and Kaemon Awa moving on. The only question, just like the previous meeting of these two, is if it will be RaeKae or KaeRae.

[NecroBlade]

I dunno, Taelord get the underdog vote. And Jotun, Minions, and Carr are all awesome. They're just not awasome.

[MadNik]

I'm voting Kaemon Awa on sculpt alone, I love the way that figure looks.

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

http://www.heroscapers.com/community/gallery/files/1/3/2/jotun.gif

[lafleurhero]

If this one goes right I could get the full 8 points. So far it's looking quite possible. If that happens I could be above the median score for the first time since day 1. I scored only a total of 4 points for the first 5 days and never a perfect score until day 15 with Q9 and the Zombies

[Revdyer]

RaeRae is the lady.

[Obsidian]

Hopefully Jotun won't throw in the towel and make a wild swing for a huge win.

Vote Jotun!

[RabSheila]

Alright. Cards on the table. We all know that Taelord stinks. That he's not worth his points, etc. But you've got to admit he looks really cool and imposing. When you first got him and saw him through the package didn't you get a little rush thinking about how he would destroy the opposition? Before you saw his card and knew that he should be named Taelord the Overpriced and Worthless. Before you knew how truly cruddy he was. Go back to that time. That time of ignorance and wonderment. Vote Taelord.

[Sweetcurse]

Darn you samurai fanboys!!!!

[Messenger]

Hopefully Jotun won't throw in the towel and make a wild swing for a huge win.I would counter by pointing out the quick release of the two frontrunners. They're flying away with this one.

[Messenger]

Alright. Cards on the table. We all know that Taelord stinks. That he's not worth his points, etc. But you've got to admit he looks really cool and imposing. When you first got him and saw him through the package didn't you get a little rush thinking about how he would destroy the opposition? Before you saw his card and knew that he should be named Taelord the Overpriced and Worthless. Before you knew how truly cruddy he was. Go back to that time. That time of ignorance and wonderment. Vote Taelord. Allow me to speak on behalf of the entire Heroscapers website:

We feel your pain.

The Heroscape internet superhighway is littered with Overpriced-Taelord comments too numerous to count. But just to relive old memories, I submit the following fixes:

Deadly Strike
Keep his base attack of three. This would make him the ultimate one-shot destructive powerhouse that his bio claims he is. That one change would easily justify his cost.

-or-

Reduce Cost
You will NEVER get consensus on the exact amount, but a drop to 150 points should seem reasonable to most.

-or-

And this is really an adjustment to the Minions of Utgar, but change the wording on Utgar's Orders to read: "Before" as opposed to "Instead of" to give them full fledged bonding instead of the half-bond they currently possess. (side benefit to Runa, also).

[ollie]

Alright. Cards on the table. We all know that Taelord stinks. That he's not worth his points, etc. But you've got to admit he looks really cool and imposing. When you first got him and saw him through the package didn't you get a little rush thinking about how he would destroy the opposition? Before you saw his card and knew that he should be named Taelord the Overpriced and Worthless. Before you knew how truly cruddy he was. Go back to that time. That time of ignorance and wonderment. Vote Taelord. Allow me to speak on behalf of the entire Heroscapers website:

We feel your pain.

The Heroscape internet superhighway is littered with Overpriced-Taelord comments too numerous to count. But just to relive old memories, I submit the following fixes:

Deadly Strike
Keep his base attack of three. This would make him the ultimate one-shot destructive powerhouse that his bio claims he is. That one change would easily justify his cost.

-or-

Reduce Cost
You will NEVER get consensus on the exact amount, but a drop to 150 points should seem reasonable to most.

-or-

And this is really an adjustment to the Minions of Utgar, but change the wording on Utgar's Orders to read: "Before" as opposed to "Instead of" to give them full fledged bonding instead of the half-bond they currently possess. (side benefit to Runa, also).

-or-

Field him in a relatively high-point total game with a bunch of Omnicrons and rats and watch him justify every single point of his cost. ;)

[Obsidian]

Alright. Cards on the table. We all know that Taelord stinks. That he's not worth his points, etc. But you've got to admit he looks really cool and imposing. When you first got him and saw him through the package didn't you get a little rush thinking about how he would destroy the opposition? Before you saw his card and knew that he should be named Taelord the Overpriced and Worthless. Before you knew how truly cruddy he was. Go back to that time. That time of ignorance and wonderment. Vote Taelord. Allow me to speak on behalf of the entire Heroscapers website:

We feel your pain.

The Heroscape internet superhighway is littered with Overpriced-Taelord comments too numerous to count. But just to relive old memories, I submit the following fixes:

Deadly Strike
Keep his base attack of three. This would make him the ultimate one-shot destructive powerhouse that his bio claims he is. That one change would easily justify his cost.

-or-

Reduce Cost
You will NEVER get consensus on the exact amount, but a drop to 150 points should seem reasonable to most.

-or-

And this is really an adjustment to the Minions of Utgar, but change the wording on Utgar's Orders to read: "Before" as opposed to "Instead of" to give them full fledged bonding instead of the half-bond they currently possess. (side benefit to Runa, also).

-or-

Field him in a relatively high-point total game with a bunch of Omnicrons and rats and watch him justify every single point of his cost. ;)

-or-

Put him in a tower.

[Messenger]

-or-

Field him in a relatively high-point total game with a bunch of Omnicrons and rats and watch him justify every single point of his cost. ;)Your post got me thinking. At what point total would you consider fielding Hatamoto Taro? I'm just asking...

[ollie]

-or-

Field him in a relatively high-point total game with a bunch of Omnicrons and rats and watch him justify every single point of his cost. ;)Your post got me thinking. At what point total would you consider fielding Hatamoto Taro? I'm just asking...

Hmmm, somewhere around the total sum of all the other uniques and three of each common on a board such that all of that stuff fills up all-but-one of the starting zone hexes so that I can't grab another couple of samurai archer squads. ;)

Aldin captured it nicely in this comment in the blogs:

Ha! I remember running the numbers and being unable to find any army, map or matchup in which HT was more beneficial than some other 130 point unit(s). Just couldn't think of a single situation.


More seriously, I don't think that higher point totals especially help Hatamoto (once the total is high enough to have a decent array of other samurai). If you want to play him (and I do want to) I think you just have to accept that you'll be fielding a less-than-ideal army. (This is genuinely different to Taelord who I think has sitiuations in which he is a strong pick.)

[Sweetcurse]

We've played Taelord in an adjusted point tourney at 150 points...he was...err, well...overpowered. Yes, he was a dominating force, unstoppable and killed everything in a couple rounds. Him, and a few snipers simply demolished every army thrown at them.

150 points is too cheap. The problem with him isn't cost, it's the whole design. +1 to ranged attacks is huge, much bigger than people realize, especially with snipers. But it's just as deasdly on other squads. I wish, as I've said before, that his stats were better and all that jazz, but mostly that he didn't give +1 to ranged, only to melee. That way you could make him into a the gladiator powerhouse he should be and everyone will love him. He could have higher defense and attack, or deadly strike and only give +1 to melee and suddenly he's very interesting to play. Unfortunately, Tealord walks a fine line between overpriced and broken as he is. turst me, lowering his points is NOT a good idea. My monkeys are still feeling the pain from that.

Try:

Taelord: 180
Snipers x2: 200
Rats x3: 120
Total: 500

It's not too bad really.

[Sweetcurse]

Does anyone around here still have Taro's old prototype card?

[Messenger]

Try:

Taelord: 180
Snipers x2: 200
Rats x3: 120
Total: 500

It's not too bad really.Nice army! I actually took something similar to my first tournament in Cincinnatti:

200 Omnicron x2
180 Taelord
080 Raelin
040 Deathreavers

But your point is well made that he teeters between Overpriced and Broken. Restricting his Aura is one of the better fixes I've heard. What if it were a 2-hex aura like Master Woo?

Does anyone around here still have Taro's old prototype card?I believe it's up at the Hasbro website, if I'm not mistaken.

[RabSheila]

Thanks for all the Taelord advice everyone. I have won with the guy before and I like him, but I realize he's kind of cruddy. It's fun just to make him hang back and shout out "Kill that one. No, that one!" and not ever get him really involved.

[Rÿchean]

Tae rocks pretty good with reaver/stinger too.

RaeRae cannot breath freely just yet, the Giant is closing.

[RabSheila]

From Taelord's journal:

"I'm good enough, I'm smart enough and doggone it, people like me! Well, at least 2 do."

(with apologies to Al Franken)

[Sweetcurse]

Tae rocks pretty good with reaver/stinger too.

RaeRae cannot breath freely just yet, the Giant is closing.

Problem with stingers/Tae is the stingers' 5 range. I think he works nuch better with snipers/kma/nakitas/any other long range

[Rÿchean]

Tae rocks pretty good with reaver/stinger too.

RaeRae cannot breath freely just yet, the Giant is closing.

Problem with stingers/Tae is the stingers' 5 range. I think he works nuch better with snipers/kma/nakitas/any other long range

There is truth in what you say, however, Tae enhancing swarms of cheap units is usually better than a select few uniques.(can't argue against snipers as that is the obvious combo) The unique squads are good early game but by mid you are only getting 1-2 attacks. Stingers? 3 attacks of 3-5 all game long. Plus when combined with a gaggle of reavers, the shorter range is a non issue as the reavers will be tying everything up. Also, in a all from one general format, it is even more formidable. Reavers and Stingers are very cheap and very strong for their price, which makes a high pt unit like Tae much easier to field.

In 500 pt army, you could have 9 snipers or 9 agents (any combo) plus Tae; You get 8 reavers and 12 stingers and tae for the same price. (11 more life or almost double the life pt of the sniper/agent army)

[Messenger]

From Raelin's Journal:

"I'm so confused. All the Kyrie Generals want me in their army, but when I show up they tell me to just stand in the back and watch. I thought they liked me but I'm starting to feel...used."

[Xn F M]

Spear and Magic Helmet (http://www.metacafe.com/watch/430148/whats_opera_doc/)


vote for Elmer Fudd (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0QwYOQsofY)...um, I mean Raelin.

Fixed. ;)

[Sweetcurse]

Tae rocks pretty good with reaver/stinger too.

RaeRae cannot breath freely just yet, the Giant is closing.

Problem with stingers/Tae is the stingers' 5 range. I think he works nuch better with snipers/kma/nakitas/any other long range

There is truth in what you say, however, Tae enhancing swarms of cheap units is usually better than a select few uniques.(can't argue against snipers as that is the obvious combo) The unique squads are good early game but by mid you are only getting 1-2 attacks. Stingers? 3 attacks of 3-5 all game long. Plus when combined with a gaggle of reavers, the shorter range is a non issue as the reavers will be tying everything up. Also, in a all from one general format, it is even more formidable. Reavers and Stingers are very cheap and very strong for their price, which makes a high pt unit like Tae much easier to field.

In 500 pt army, you could have 9 snipers or 9 agents (any combo) plus Tae; You get 8 reavers and 12 stingers and tae for the same price. (11 more life or almost double the life pt of the sniper/agent army)

I think you may have a problem...a heroscape problem. NO one in their right mind should now THAT much about HS. I'm sure there are groups out there for folks like you. I think Jonathan should join you. That boy knows every card and all the numbers in them. ;)

You're right about the mass of stingers. But after our cruching defeat at the hands of longscaper, I see the damage a few long ranged units with rats can do. When you cannot get past the rats at all, it doesn't really matter if you have 6 snipers or 12 stingers, none of them wiull die anyway!

[Rich10]

Raelin (ROTV) may be the best figure in Heroscape. She's also a babe.

[Rÿchean]

Tae rocks pretty good with reaver/stinger too.

RaeRae cannot breath freely just yet, the Giant is closing.

Problem with stingers/Tae is the stingers' 5 range. I think he works nuch better with snipers/kma/nakitas/any other long range

There is truth in what you say, however, Tae enhancing swarms of cheap units is usually better than a select few uniques.(can't argue against snipers as that is the obvious combo) The unique squads are good early game but by mid you are only getting 1-2 attacks. Stingers? 3 attacks of 3-5 all game long. Plus when combined with a gaggle of reavers, the shorter range is a non issue as the reavers will be tying everything up. Also, in a all from one general format, it is even more formidable. Reavers and Stingers are very cheap and very strong for their price, which makes a high pt unit like Tae much easier to field.

In 500 pt army, you could have 9 snipers or 9 agents (any combo) plus Tae; You get 8 reavers and 12 stingers and tae for the same price. (11 more life or almost double the life pt of the sniper/agent army)

I think you may have a problem...a heroscape problem. NO one in their right mind should now THAT much about HS. I'm sure there are groups out there for folks like you. I think Jonathan should join you. That boy knows every card and all the numbers in them. ;)

You're right about the mass of stingers. But after our cruching defeat at the hands of longscaper, I see the damage a few long ranged units with rats can do. When you cannot get past the rats at all, it doesn't really matter if you have 6 snipers or 12 stingers, none of them wiull die anyway!
Yes, I have a very serious affliction, very serious.

[Obsidian]

Go Jo! (tun)

[Messenger]

Raelin (ROTV) may be the best figure in Heroscape. She's also a babe.And for that matter, can someone tell me how Kelda got blue skin? I've got nothing against blue-skinned chicks. It just makes you wonder.

Did she fall in the vat the Sentinels of Jandar use to dye their pants?

[The B.I.V.]

She actually has gray skin and doesn't her bio talk about her being brought back from a near-death? That might explain it...

I soooo blew this round. Taelord and Minions?!! What was I thinking?!!!:duh::brickwall::grrrr:

Brandon

[RabSheila]

Raelin (ROTV) may be the best figure in Heroscape. She's also a babe.And for that matter, can someone tell me how Kelda got blue skin? I've got nothing against blue-skinned chicks. It just makes you wonder.

Did she fall in the vat the Sentinels of Jandar use to dye their pants?


She's very cold.

[Messenger]

She actually has gray skinZounds, you're right!! I'm going to have to look at my figs when I get home. I was almost positive it was blue.

I soooo blew this round. Taelord and Minions?!! What was I thinking?!!!You were obviously wearing red-colored glasses.

[gorthan313]

I went Kaemon/MoU for this round.

[RabSheila]

I went Shady Dealer Dan and Taelord the Worthless. Just racking up the points.

[clancampbell]

Taelord is not entirely bad. I've seen someone win a tourny with him in their army.

This one may not be a runaway.

[RabSheila]

Taelord is not entirely bad. I've seen someone win a tourny with him in their army.

This one may not be a runaway.

Maybe, but at the rate I'm going I may as well have voted for an ashtray and a doorknob.

[wriggz]

Jotun? Really?

We don't really complain about his cost constantly.
We haven't changed the spelling of an adjective based on his awasomeness.
We don't keep saying the old one is better.
We don't Quote blockbuster movies when using him.

He really has not added anything to the community!
So why are we voting for him?

Think of the children.

[Sweetcurse]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, go Raelin go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TC McQueen]

No Contest, Kaemon Awa for the win. He is the Unit I would like to see win this Battle Royale.

[Obsidian]

Jotun? Really?

We don't really complain about his cost constantly.
We haven't changed the spelling of an adjective based on his awasomeness.
We don't keep saying the old one is better.
We don't Quote blockbuster movies when using him.

He really has not added anything to the community!
So why are we voting for him?

Think of the children.
We have an emocon for him. :jotun:

[Revdyer]

The Kelda skin tone is obviously due to copper...didn't any of you people ever take chemistry? <snort>

Now, as to Raelin being used...like many women, she'd love to have you think that is what she is thinking, and fact, she workd for that effect; but when it comes down to the final measurements (a carefully chosen word), it is not she who is being used or even abused, but you (and me).

[Messenger]

Jotun? Really?

why are we voting for him?I think I've figured it out. The Kaemon Awa fans know the only figure that could unseat the samurai is the winged-woman. So they're secretly voting for Jotun in order to bump her out of the competition. Then the way will be paved for KA to take the prize.


BUT THEY'VE FORGOTTEN ABOUT THE DOOR!!!

[champrjk]

Jotun? Really?

why are we voting for him?I think I've figured it out. The Kaemon Awa fans know the only figure that could unseat the samurai is the winged-woman. So they're secretly voting for Jotun in order to bump her out of the competition. Then the way will be paved for KA to take the prize.


BUT THEY'VE FORGOTTEN ABOUT THE DOOR!!!

Aww blast it! It's as if you read my mind. Time to turn back on plan B.

[gorthan313]

BUT THEY'VE FORGOTTEN ABOUT THE DOOR!!!



*Insert evil laughter here*

[AliasQTip]

Does anyone around here still have Taro's old prototype card?

For you, bud...

http://www.hasbro.com/common/images/heroscape/characters/master/D54EA85C-D56F-E112-4692B0CBA8F2E804.jpg

It's still on the official website actually. I ran into it when collecting images for my Index of Offical Army Cards (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=22779) thread.

[Sir Cumference]

Kaemon Awa's capability of counterstriking, range, and a possible double attack is very nice.

[Isamu]

Oh wow. TaroSamurai armies could have been quite good.

Ashigarus would have probably been broken, but who likes Ashigarus?

[Bloody the Marro Stinger]

This was a tough poll, but I went with Raelin, who I prefer in-game slightly more than Kaemon. It was close, though.

[Fuzzie Fuzz]

RaeKae, but I voted Jotun 'cause it doesn't look like Raelin's making it to the next level, and I get more points if KA's in second than in first.

[n10do]

Vote for Raelin!!!

[kidagain]

C'mon people! What's not to love about the guy who can throw his enemies to their doom or toss his friends over THE DOOR!

Go Big J!!

[FOOTBALLDUDE88]

Go Kaemon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hope he wins.

[Firemaster]

RaeKae, but I voted Jotun 'cause it doesn't look like Raelin's making it to the next level, and I get more points if KA's in second than in first.

You know, if Raelin ends up losing by one vote, there will be many people unhappy with you.

[Darth Vader]

Kaemon Awa is a beast

[arp12]

Kaemon Awa is a beast
Actually he's a samurai. :p

[Gold1]

I guess I'm fighting a losing battle here. The Agent is by far the coolest unit out there. Go Agent Carr!

[tech boy]

I love Jotun because of his throwing ability and most of all his attack!

[FOOTBALLDUDE88]

Kaemon Awa is a beast


As I said before, TO YOU EVERYONE IS A DARN BEAST.:evil::evil::evil::evil: