Terminator Salvation

[keetacongoo]

I noticed a thread was made in the discussion section a long time ago, but instead of resurrecting the old thread, decided to move it to the Movie Section.
So any opinions on this movie before it comes out? I have been a long-time Terminator fan since I saw the first when I was younger. Probably too young, but still, those three movies will always be some of my favorites. And now that they're showing the Future War side of the series, you have to wonder if it will be any good.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed for a decent movie, and am sure planning to see it in theaters.

[jschild]

Three movies.....I'll gladly give you the first 2, but the third was horrible.

Since they changed the ending of Salvation, I'm very interested in it again.

[Claws of Death]

Always loved the terminator series..... even the 3rd one wasn't too horrible............ can't wait to see that ginormous T-600....... that's gonna be AWESOME!!!!!

[Lank281]

Three movies.....I'll gladly give you the first 2, but the third was horrible.
I second that. The first film was good, the second film was great, and they should have left the franchise alone from there. I really didn't care much for the third film but, what can you do?

The fourth one thats coming out, I'm not too enthused, but more likely I'll watch it anyway, and who knows... I might be surprized.

[Sweetcurse]

I am in a very small minority here I know, but i love the first, hate the second and very much enjoy the third. The second is hollywood drivel at its worst for me. 3 at least had the pair to blow up thr world and that was cool.

[jschild]

There was nothing good added in T3. Nothing.

John Conner is more of a useless punk in T3 than he was in T2, where you'd at least expect him to be a punk.

They kill off Sarah Connor off screen with no respect at all.

The action is a cheap, less interesting rehash of T2.

John Connor is killed in the future like a retarded moron, because he misses his "terminator daddy" and is apparently too stupid to realize he's a terminator.

[jschild]

I am in a very small minority here I know, but i love the first, hate the second and very much enjoy the third. The second is hollywood drivel at its worst for me. 3 at least had the pair to blow up thr world and that was cool.

Other than the ending, describe how any action scene was different than in T2?

[Sweetcurse]

Well, first of all chill, don’t get riled up.

The first car chase in T3 is one of the best ever to be filmed. That is one long, gruesome and intense car chase. The use of the giant truck is nothing short of amazing. Other action pieces are memorable too, like the terminator on terminator fight in the bathroom, AWESOME! The clanking of the punches and the veritable weight of the machines as they tear through walls is epic.

Speaking of the terminators, the terminatrix is eons cooler than the jelly terminator from T2. Nano tech is more believable than metal jelly. Also, she actually has a gun! How cool is that? She doesn’t suffer form the silly “we can’t transport weapons” stupidity of the series; she simply packs a plasma cannon on her arm. Nuff said. Well, wait, her nanovirus is wicked too.

I tire of people saying John is a slacker, he is worthless. Duh! That’s the whole point. He truly is an average joe, burdened by unrealistic expectations and poor as dirt. Of course he would have been a punk in T2. But as he matures, it makes sense he falls into near depression and worthlessness. It is far more interesting to see THAT person rise to the occasion than a badass. Who would you be if you knew what was coming for you, that the world depended on you? Personally, I’d be just as overwhelmed and would want to escape it all too.

No Sarah? Thank God for once. I tire of Hamilton’s histrionics and overacted tough chick psycho. Also, it is genius to transfer John’s mommy issues to his wife, it’s brilliant. Not only that, it is real, feels more real than anything in T2. So what if we find out Johnis nothing but an Oedipus complex loser who needs his women to be worth something? Makes him human in my book, just as Anakin became an actual human being in EpIII when he donned the armor, truly flawed.

Skynet being a software more than hardware…perfect. Why would the world’s smartest artificial intelligence limit itself to one place? That is soooooooooo 80’s.

Finally, the coming of disaster actually validates the whole thing and is more inline with T1. As far as I’m concerned, I can watch T1 and T3 completely skipping T2 and be content with a story that works better.


Again, I expect tomatoes thrown at me for this, have had it before, but I stand by my liking of T3.

[jschild]

Yeah, like the truck chase with the motercycle, and the metal on metal action of T2? It's just the same scenes, redone to be a bit bigger, with an even worse story.

Sorry but John Connor (the JC is no accident) is the Messiah of mankind. He is literally our Savior, though in a physical and not spiritual sense. So having him so useless just spits on what was built up before.

Just as Anakin became an actual human being in EpIII when he donned the armor, truly flawed.

You mean the horribly excuted, painful to watch, EP3 which makes Vader a horrible whiney pansy.

Skynet being a software more than hardware…perfect. Why would the world’s smartest artificial intelligence limit itself to one place? That is soooooooooo 80’s.

And how is that any different than what is mentioned in T1 and T2. Skynet was all over the world in those.

Finally, the coming of disaster actually validates the whole thing and is more inline with T1. As far as I’m concerned, I can watch T1 and T3 completely skipping T2 and be content with a story that works better.

But it doesn't work without T2, in any shape or form. T2 is essential to the story. T3 just made Conner a wuss, and rehashed virtually every scene from the second movie, with bigger explosions and an old looking arnold.

[Sweetcurse]

Meh, sounds like whining. I enjoyed the heck out of it and T2 bores me. I can't see how it is integral to anything. But whatever, as I said, better story to me if I just watch T1, then T3.

[RabSheila]

Again, I expect tomatoes thrown at me for this, have had it before, but I stand by my liking of T3.

You're not alone. I like it too, but I like them all.

[Kobu]

I like them all for different reasons. TSCC is my favorite incarnation, but I'm also very excited to for the upcoming movie. This is the only time travel series that doesn't make me roll my eyes.

[Claws of Death]

I love ALL of the terminator movies,so I am neutral in this battle.



....... also, sweet curse, while I agree with you that T2 can get a little drab sometimes (does it REALLY need to be almost 3 hours long?), it tells many of the key parts of the story.

[Sweetcurse]

Yeah T2 is't all bad either, I just like it the least.

[Jim]

My six word review of T3: "Better than it should have been."

Jim

[nyys]

I can't remember anything about T3 other than not liking it... I think I need to Netflix it again before T4.

Saw a long trailer for it last night while watching Bones on FOX... looks great! Though trailers often look good while the movie itself sucks.

[jschild]

It's not a rehash of T2, which is a plus.

They changed the original horrible ending of it, so that's a plus.

It's going to be the war, but still having history changed, so should be a plus.

I've got my finger crossed.

[Yodaking]

I really didn't like T3 at all. It was terrible IMO, especially the stupid car chase scene where vehicles that require a manual/physical input to operate suddely could drive by themselves.

The only thing good I think came out of it was the explaination that the future can't be stopped. No matter how hard they try to destroy Skynet in the past, Skynet will still come to life at some point.

After that terrible movie, someone new bought the rights to the terminator franchise with the intention of restoring it. That is why/how we got the Sara Conner Chronicles, which I have enjoyed.

The same group has also made the new movie so I am expecting good things from it. I wonder how much of the move will tie back into what has occured in the TV series?

[jschild]

Not at all...That's part of what they have been establishing in the series, that there are multiple futures and pasts that are possible.

I like the new twist however, of Skynet giving up on eliminating John Conner personally and instead giving itself more advanced weapons so it can win the war earlier, IE, skinjobs well before they were ever supposed to appear.

[Sweetcurse]

It's not a rehash of T2, which is a plus.

You mean T4 right?

They changed the original horrible ending of it, so that's a plus.

Again, T4? But what was the change?

It's going to be the war, but still having history changed, so should be a plus.

How do they change the story?

I've got my finger crossed.

Also, the cars driving themselves was due to nanobots. That is totally cool.

[jschild]

Yes, T4, unlike T3, which pretty much redid every scene in T2, is a completely different feel.

The original ending of T4 was leaked, and McG decided to change the ending, which was neccessary because it completely betrayed everything about T1-T3. Beyond that I won't say other than google it since there may be other spoilers related to that.

I like the new twist however, of Skynet giving up on eliminating John Conner personally and instead giving itself more advanced weapons so it can win the war earlier, IE, skinjobs well before they were ever supposed to appear.Also, the cars driving themselves was due to nanobots. That is totally cool.

Except it makes no sense. How are they steering? I can get the ignition, but cars cannot steer by themselves, magic nanites or no. That's just as bad as the silly super AI phase of the 80's. If it was a car that could steer itself beforehand, nanobots could do that, but normal steering wheels must be turned manually, which they could not do.

[Sweetcurse]

Cars cannot drive themselves, people cannot travel in time, there is no AI of that caliber, a robot cannot melt itself and reshape at will etc. See how silly your point is? If they can invent time travel, I can easily swallow nanobots that can somehow steer a car, sounds easier than anything else they do.

[Sweetcurse]

Also, there are many common scenes in all T movies, not just T2 and T3.

I really think you are too harsh on it, it was a solid romp.

[jschild]

I can accept time travel in a movie.

I can accept super-robots like the terminators.

I cannot accept the Internet (in any movie) doing silly things that are so silly the person who writes it obviously know nothing about them.

As for the liquid metal - who's to say it wasn't a limited capability collection of nanomachines and would fit in perfectly with the more advanced model seen in T3. That would explain everything it could do pretty much.

But much like the bad Stephen King movie where all machines (even simple ones) turned bad, some things go too far. I hate when ANY movie makes current or near current technology magic. Unless the car can be driven by the computer already in it, it couldn't be hacked to drive by itself.

[Yodaking]

jschild has got it right.

[Sweetcurse]

You're crazy. You can accept all those things but nanobots who steer a car is too much. Right.
I didn't get the bit about the internet. Anyway, who's to say those same liquid metal nanobots can't stretch themselves in some configuration and steer a car? That or some other way. If they can do all the other wonderful stuff, steering a car should be piece of cake.

[Rogue A$$asSIN]

Just think, if the movie sucks they can just go back in time a fix it, but then the whole cast would be naked. I hope they cast an all girl cast.:twisted:

[Sweetcurse]

Just think, if the movie sucks they can just go back in time a fix it, but then the whole cast would be naked. I hope they cast an all girl cast.:twisted:


Genius! :lol:

[jschild]

I didn't get the bit about the internet. Anyway, who's to say those same liquid metal nanobots can't stretch themselves in some configuration and steer a car? That or some other way. If they can do all the other wonderful stuff, steering a car should be piece of cake.

The internet bit is a reference to every bad scifi plot that happen. Hack an alien ship with a Mac? Done. Hack into NORAD with an off the shelf modem? Done! Have machines get possessed and magically make the machine do things it could never do before? Done! Spout BS Technobabble and execute a Dues Ex Machina? Done! Hack a password in 3 tries in a secure facility? Easy as pie!

That's the inane silliness that I am talking about. The writer used the buzz of the Internet and nanomachines just like the writers of the 80's used computers as the boogie man. And in the process, never made John Conner grow up, and in fact wussified him. Had him die in the future in the stupidest way possible, had the silliest bathroom fight ever, and just generally made a serviceable but mediocre sequel that completely lacked any of the humanity of the first two films.

And if you were wondering why there was a third? Cameron didn't want one. His original ending of T2 ended with Connor on the White House lawn with his elderly mom. Linda Hamilton wasn't in it because she didn't want anything to do with it. Arnold came for the huge paycheck, nothing more.

The good sign for T4 is that at least Linda Hamilton is interested enough in the movie to do the initial voiceover, which I doubt she would bother with if she didn't at least like the idea of the movie. Arnold even mysteriously visited the set - rumors abound about that, but Arnold will take a paycheck for most anything...but probably most likely because he knows without that movie serious he would not be where he is today (kinda like Hugh Jackman and Wolverine, luckiest man alive there).

[keetacongoo]

Not only is she, but Arnold is in it! I just read that they're using his voice and a CGI version of his face to recreate the T-800. They're using another huge Austrian guy too!
Should I just change this to the Terminator discussion thread? :D

[Malechi]

I am just upset that TSCC was announced as cancelled just as the movie comes out. TSCC was never my favorite show, but for some reason it was my most highly anticipated show each week (possibly a Summer Glau glitch in my neural net). They leave the series with a Terminator future where no one knows the name John Conner without any form of resolution ...

[jschild]

It is not canceled yet. Though it has not been renewed yet either...

[Kobu]

I am just upset that TSCC was announced as cancelled just as the movie comes out. TSCC was never my favorite show, but for some reason it was my most highly anticipated show each week (possibly a Summer Glau glitch in my neural net). They leave the series with a Terminator future where no one knows the name John Conner without any form of resolution ...

Not true. Announcements for upcoming seasons aren't usually done until the end of May. The "inside sources" have all been debunked by FOX and the actual people involved in the show. It's just a bunch of idiot bloggers trying to fabricate a scoop with something they think is a sure thing.

[Malechi]

I will hold out hope, but not keep my hopes up for the next month ...

[jschild]

The exact same person who "broke" the news last year that the show was canceled did it again this year, going so far as to say they were destroying the sets last year.

I don't think the odds are good, but ignore that nitwit.

[Claws of Death]

Okay, for one thing, it's spelled CONNOR, not CONNER. For another thing, WHY ARE WE ALL ARGUING LIKE LITTLE KIDS ABOUT A FREAKING SCIENCE FICTION MOVIE?! It's a movie, it doesn't need to make sense for it to be enjoyable!!!!

[jschild]

It's a movie, it doesn't need to make sense for it to be enjoyable!!!!

Actually for me, it does enhance, or decrease, my enjoyment of a movie when it makes sense, or more importantly, it is self-consistent.

Not in reference to Terminator - but don't say you can't do X, then do it. Star Trek was a horrible offender of the, you can't do this, but we will then do it, rule.

If you say something works in an X manner, don't show it working in Y manner. It ruins a movie when the writer or director doesn't even bother to follow the rules they set up themselves.

[Claws of Death]

It's a movie, it doesn't need to make sense for it to be enjoyable!!!!

Actually for me, it does enhance, or decrease, my enjoyment of a movie when it makes sense, or more importantly, it is self-consistent.

Not in reference to Terminator - but don't say you can't do X, then do it. Star Trek was a horrible offender of the, you can't do this, but we will then do it, rule.

If you say something works in an X manner, don't show it working in Y manner. It ruins a movie when the writer or director doesn't even bother to follow the rules they set up themselves.
I think of it like this- think of many monster movies, like Jaws. Is it REALLY probable that a shark could be 25 feet long? Is it probable that it can rip a dock in half, yet it can be repelled with a little oxygen tank?

Movies are just about fun. If you like things that are realistic and make sense, watch an army or cop movie.

[jschild]

Is it REALLY probable that a shark could be 25 feet long?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Megalodon_scale1.png

Yes, it is. 23ft is the largest White on record, so there almost certainly has been a 25ft one before.

Again, you are confusing realism, with consistency. A badly written will have enemies, good guys, etc, do stuff that makes no sense for the character to do. Think of the old Bond movies where Bond's most hated enemies would set up an elaborate death trap. That isn't the issue. The issue comes when he walks off and stops watching his most hated enemies death. That makes so sense in the story.

You do not need realism for a movie to make sense, but a good movie requires sense and internal logic.

[Claws of Death]

Is it REALLY probable that a shark could be 25 feet long?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Megalodon_scale1.png

Yes, it is. 23ft is the largest White on record, so there almost certainly has been a 25ft one before.

Again, you are confusing realism, with consistency. A badly written will have enemies, good guys, etc, do stuff that makes no sense for the character to do. Think of the old Bond movies where Bond's most hated enemies would set up an elaborate death trap. That isn't the issue. The issue comes when he walks off and stops watching his most hated enemies death. That makes so sense in the story.

You do not need realism for a movie to make sense, but a good movie requires sense and internal logic.
Oh, I see where you are coming from. Never mind, then.

[Sweetcurse]

in the context of a film with all the craziness that termionator has, Nanobots controlling a car is the least imporobable.

[Kobu]

I don't think they specified nanobots, did they? I imagined it more like what Weaver did with the drone. The T-X would be able to do the same, dontcha think?

[Sweetcurse]

That's my point, I didn't even once felt bothered to think about it. I was already accepting soo much, that cars being controlled didn't even blip my radar.

[Dennys]

Although, in a sense, its not that far off now (robot controlled cars). In the DARPA challenge I think the Oshkosh 5 ton truck got over 500 miles before being tripped up.

There's also a BMW (?) that can park itself once aligned up with the space. Insert a little virus in there, some RF remote control, and there ya go.

[jschild]

I wouldn't have had any issue with that, it just bugs me when bad writers think computers can control non-computerized things. Let's see her nanites infect a manual merry-go-round and make it super fast!!!!!

[Malechi]

I don't think they specified nanobots, did they? I imagined it more like what Weaver did with the drone. The T-X would be able to do the same, dontcha think?

That's my point, I didn't even once felt bothered to think about it. I was already accepting soo much, that cars being controlled didn't even blip my radar.

Nope. They cannot be T-1000 parts. Set in T2, the liquid metal Terminators must follow the rules: It can't form complex machines, guns and explosives have chemicals, moving parts, it doesn't work that way, but it can form solid metal shapes.

[keetacongoo]

I don't think they specified nanobots, did they? I imagined it more like what Weaver did with the drone. The T-X would be able to do the same, dontcha think?

That's my point, I didn't even once felt bothered to think about it. I was already accepting soo much, that cars being controlled didn't even blip my radar.

Nope. They cannot be T-1000 parts. Set in T2, the liquid metal Terminators must follow the rules: It can't form complex machines, guns and explosives have chemicals, moving parts, it doesn't work that way, but it can form solid metal shapes.
My memory of the movie isn't all that good, it's been a while, but wasn't the T-X injected with the nanobots, or something?
I could have sworn they were added or something, but it has been a good deal of time...

[Jim]

:popcorn:

Please, keep it coming!

:D

Jim

[Kobu]

I don't think they specified nanobots, did they? I imagined it more like what Weaver did with the drone. The T-X would be able to do the same, dontcha think?

That's my point, I didn't even once felt bothered to think about it. I was already accepting soo much, that cars being controlled didn't even blip my radar.

Nope. They cannot be T-1000 parts. Set in T2, the liquid metal Terminators must follow the rules: It can't form complex machines, guns and explosives have chemicals, moving parts, it doesn't work that way, but it can form solid metal shapes.

Er, so what's the problem? You did watch the TSCC finale, right?

Anyway, I think my memory is just full of holes and the TX does use nanobots. I should probably watch T3 again.

[Blazemane]

I don't think they specified nanobots, did they? I imagined it more like what Weaver did with the drone. The T-X would be able to do the same, dontcha think?

You mean in the season finale? She didn't control that drone. We have to assume that it was sent by the evolving Skynet.

There is a part in the episode where a piece of liquid forms with her, but that wasn't inside the drone, that was her eel in the aquarium. And the eel was actually part of her.

But if that's not what you're talking about then I'm just rambling uselessly.

Anyways, I am totally looking forward to Terminator Salvation. The recent trailer made it look absolutely epic.

[Kobu]

You mean in the season finale? She didn't control that drone. We have to assume that it was sent by the evolving Skynet.

There is a part in the episode where a piece of liquid forms with her, but that wasn't inside the drone, that was her eel in the aquarium. And the eel was actually part of her.

But if that's not what you're talking about then I'm just rambling uselessly.

Anyways, I am totally looking forward to Terminator Salvation. The recent trailer made it look absolutely epic.

I was totally assuming Weaver was controlling the drone to drive John into trusting here and then jumping with her. I don't know how else she could have gotten him to do that. Maybe it was happy coincidence though that the drone attacked at just that moment.

[Malechi]

The drone was stolen from her mid season. Weaver had been hunting the one that did steal it, an ex-employee she was unable to kill in the desert factory where Sarah was shot. He had all the reasons in the world to attempt to kill Weaver and none whatsoever to work with her.

[keetacongoo]

Before I see Salvation, I'm rewatching the past terminators, and just got to T2 tonight. Really, I've forgotten how much I loved that movie. Maybe it's the action scenes, but T2, in my opinion, is a thrill ride, and certainly one of my favorite movies. That, and the extended version Netflix sends includes a deleted scene of John trying to teach Arnold to smile like a normal human :D

[Disposable Hero]

Actually, it looks cool. I saw the special on G4, so I know what I'm talking about.:twisted:

[Disposable Hero]

Slayer Of Threads, That Is Me! And Now They Are Back, Don't You See! I Am The Limerick!

[Blazemane]

I saw this at the midnight showing last night.

It was a bit confusing I think, but there wasn't ever exactly a dull moment. It was pretty good, I just don't know where to gauge it among the other three movies yet.

If I have one complaint though (slight spoiler... kind of), how come the terminators had such a hard time killing people hand to hand? I mean, it seems like they should just know how to snap necks, and besides, they are super-humanly strong. They punch humans, and the humans somehow get right back up.

That just didn't seem right.
But this movie was fun.

[jschild]

One of the few good reviews I've seen, it's being slaughtered at rottentomatoes.com

[RabSheila]

I don't really have any info about TS. I was just tired of seeing ads for Adobe and Autocad on everything. I do plan on going tonight with my wife to check it out, though.

[Claws of Death]

I'm gonna see it on monday, 'cause it's memorial day.

[RabSheila]

If I have one complaint though (slight spoiler... kind of), how come the terminators had such a hard time killing people hand to hand. I mean, it seems like they should just know how to snap necks, and besides, they are super-humanly strong. They punch humans, and the humans somehow get right back up.

That just didn't seem right.
But this movie was fun. I thought the same thing minus the fun part. They should have been crushing skulls and punching through chests, but I also thought there were quite a few other flaws with this movie. Too many to name. So here are just a few:

SPOILERS

When Connor saw Marcus for the first time why did he act like he'd never seen a flesh covered Terminator before? So it had some organs, big deal!
Didn't he remember his childhood? All the flesh covered Terminators he had encountered before? Or was his childhood so traumatic he repressed the memories? The film would alternate between him screaming "What are you?" to "We've been at war since before I was born." They're Terminators! You've seen what they are capable of! Remember?!
Where were the guard dogs? Connor knew that Skynet would send in infiltration units at some point. He knew about the value a dog provided. Wouldn't he be prepared?
Don't even get me started about the sappy ending. Yeesh.

[Blazemane]

SPOILERS

When Connor saw Marcus for the first time why did he act like he'd never seen a flesh covered Terminator before? So it had some organs, big deal!
Didn't he remember his childhood? All the flesh covered Terminators he had encountered before? Or was his childhood so traumatic he repressed the memories? The film would alternate between him screaming "What are you?" to "We've been at war since before I was born." They're Terminators! You've seen what they are capable of! Remember?!

Well, I do think Marcus' organs, but more than that, his general sense of humanity, which John Connor picked up on, did play a huge role.

I think Sarah Connor would agree with you and berate John for his foolishness. Don't think, don't play around, just disassemble the thing and keep going.

I actually like it though. It showed John Connor's human nature- and not in a bad way. During most of the movie, John is bashing heads with General Ashdown because he doesn't want the prisoners to get bombed along with Skynet. Ashdown just saw them as a casualty. Granted, a big part of this resistance from Connor came from the knowledge that Kyle Reese was in the facility, and if it got bombed everybody was, consequently, doomed. And he does mention that in his radio adress (while not specifically mentioning the importance of Kyle Reese he tells everyone that if the plant gets bombed they have somehow lost the fight).

However, another part of his appeal for people not to bomb the plant was the plain fact that any human prisoners were there. And that if they made cold, calculated decisions, then what was the point of winning?

Essentially, John Connor fought with the resources that his humanity gave him, whether people viewed them as liabilities or assets.

I think the same could be said of his indecision with Marcus. Marcus claimed to be human. Great- every other infiltrator claims to be human just by wearing skin.

Organs? Yeah, that's getting closer to making a case for Marcus. But I think the biggest thing was that John Connor admitted he looked into his eyes and that he knows Marcus actually believes he is a human.

And so, he didn't know what to do. If he coldly calculated to just destroy Marcus, he feared he would be doing something inhuman, if, in fact, Marcus was innocent. That's his humanity.

Still, common sense spoke to the other side of the decision. He himself told Williams not to call Marcus anything but an "it". And the official orders, at least according to Kate Connor were that Marcus was to be dissassembled.

I honestly don't think I would have liked any other mix of reactions from John Connor, and I feel his cognitive dissonance was completely justified.

Where were the guard dogs? Connor knew that Skynet would send in infiltration units at some point. He knew about the value a dog provided. Wouldn't he be prepared?

Word.

Don't even get me started about the sappy ending. Yeesh.

I have little opinion about the ending. It was just kinda' like... o.k.
I didn't flinch at any excessive cheesiness or cry for any extreme beauty. Just... whatever.

[Kobu]

When Connor saw Marcus for the first time why did he act like he'd never seen a flesh covered Terminator before? So it had some organs, big deal!


That was the big deal. Marcus was a far cry from the 800s. They went into it. How much more hand holding did you need?

[RabSheila]

That was the big deal. Marcus was a far cry from the 800s. They went into it. How much more hand holding did you need?

Hand holding? No thanks, I don't swing that way, but I guess that's flattering. Anyway, I thought the movie was weakly written. I don't think that John should have been freaking out so much over the fact that this terminator had organs. He had seen much weirder stuff when he was a child in the second movie and an adult in the third. I found it silly that he could accept those things and not this.

[Yodaking]

Well, I finally went and saw this and I really liked it. It was exactly what I wanted out of a terminator sequal. It's the future and a war is being fought between man and machine in which lots of stuff gets blown up. Those motorcycle terminators were awesome!!

The one thing that bothered me about the movie was that it didn't match up with what had been happening in the tv show at all. They should have had Kyles' brother make an appearence in the movie.

[Claws of Death]

i thought it was pretty good, but it wasn't quite as epic in awesomeness I had hoped. Still it has good action scenes and a not-too-bad story. However, the ending was a bit weak.

[Richard]

i thought it was pretty good, but it wasn't quite as epic in awesomeness I had hoped. Still it has good action scenes and a not-too-bad story. However, the ending was a bit weak.
From what I hear the original ending was leaked, so they had to change it up right quick before it was released. I agree though, the end seemed half- butted.

[jschild]

The original ending has Conner being killed, and them reskinning marcus with his skin.

IE, they were going to sh** all over everything in the first 3 movies and say its Marcus and not Conner.

McG is a crappy director and why they gave it to him I'll never understand.

[Claws of Death]

The original ending has Conner being killed, and them reskinning marcus with his skin.

IE, they were going to sh** all over everything in the first 3 movies and say its Marcus and not Conner.

McG is a crappy director and why they gave it to him I'll never understand.
Generally I don't cuss, but this is an exeption.


WHAT THE HELL WERE THOSE DUMB-ASS DIRECTORS THINKING?! That throws the whole 'Terminator' franchise out the window! Godd thing they did change it....