Figure height, adjacency, and climbing

[AnakinOU]

At first glance, it seems simple. But I get easily confused and the examples in the rulebook only cover extreme situations.

Let's say I have a 5-height figure, Bob. Next to Bob is a 5-height cliff. Well, maybe that's where my confusion is. OK. for clarification (rather than calling it a 5-height cliff), it would take 6 movement point to move from beside the cliff to on top. 5 points against the side, then one more onto the top hex space. Make sense?

Can Bob climb up the cliff (assuming he has 6 movement points)?

Is he adjacent to a fig standing on top of the cliff?

Does he take damage if he'd move back down from the cliff?

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Let's say we have a small figure, named Frodo. Frodo has a height of 2. If frodo stands next to the bridge wall (internal height 2), is he adjacent to Jotun, standing on the outside of the bridge (and very easily exceeding the height of the wall)?

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Finally, we have a very small figure. Snakey. Snakey has a height of 1. Can Snakey climb up an incline?

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Thanks, guys...I've been playign this damn game for 2 years now, and I've always doubted myself making these calls...

[toddrew]

At first glance, it seems simple. But I get easily confused and the examples in the rulebook only cover extreme situations.

Let's say I have a 5-height figure, Bob. Next to Bob is a 5-height cliff. Well, maybe that's where my confusion is. OK. for clarification (rather than calling it a 5-height cliff), it would take 6 movement point to move from beside the cliff to on top. 5 points against the side, then one more onto the top hex space. Make sense?

Can Bob climb up the cliff (assuming he has 6 movement points)?

Is he adjacent to a fig standing on top of the cliff?

Does he take damage if he'd move back down from the cliff?

I get these things screwed around all the time, too (after 2 years... :oops: ) but:
no, no, and yes.

in all cases the "cliff" must be (height-1) to: be able to climb (assuming enough movement available), to be adjacent, and to avoid falling damage.

[LilNewbie]

For climbing and engagement issues dealing with terrain levels use this simple formula:

Climbing: A figure can climb up to levels less than his height or descend to levels less than his height without taking falling damage.

Engagement: The level difference between the higher and lower figure must be less than the lower figure's height to be considered engaged.

A figure with height 5 is engaged with a figure who is on a space next to his and 4 levels or less levels high.

Newb.

[K/H_Addict]

Can Bob climb up the cliff (assuming he has 6 movement points)?

Officially, no

Is he adjacent to a fig standing on top of the cliff?

Officially, no

Does he take damage if he'd move back down from the cliff?

Officially, yes

Let's say we have a small figure, named Frodo. Frodo has a height of 2. If frodo stands next to the bridge wall (internal height 2), is he adjacent to Jotun, standing on the outside of the bridge (and very easily exceeding the height of the wall)?

Based off the official rules for adjaceny over ruins, i'd say no, because both figures are not taller than the wall, But logically, jotun would surely be able to take his massive sword a ke-bob Frodo.

Finally, we have a very small figure. Snakey. Snakey has a height of 1. Can Snakey climb up an incline?

Unless he has some sort of ability that would allow him to, no he can't.








Okay, nether. Feel free to correct me if i'm wrong with any of my above answers.

[toddrew]

or more simply, what Newb said :)

EDIT: K/H A, this is a reference to my longwindedness, not yours :lol:

[K/H_Addict]

well, i play differently. I have always played that the cliff has to be higher than him to prevent climbing, (IE 5 height fig can climb 5 height wall assuming he has enough move). Same thing with falling. If the cliff is equal to the fig's height, no falling applies. For adjacency on cliffs, the lower figure must be equal to or heigher that the amount of levels up the higher figure is (Ie 5 height figure is next to a 5-height wall with anothe figure on it; they are engaged.)


Also, when Newb posted, i was in the middle of posting mine :wink:

[toddrew]

Also, when Newb posted, i was in the middle of posting mine :wink:

It was a "postage a trois"

[K/H_Addict]

yeah, lets go with that

[Jormi_Boced]

They changed some of these rules from 1st to 2nd edition, so that is where some of the confusion stems from.

[AnakinOU]

I thought I had it right.

Thanks, guys.

[toddrew]

They changed some of these rules from 1st to 2nd edition, so that is where some of the confusion stems from.

yup. For me anyway, that's why I always pause when figuring for adjacency, climbing and falling...

[netherspirit]

Just remember the phrase, less than, and you are good to go.

[Grishnakh]

Here's they way we've tried to write the rules using plain english so everyone can remember them:

Subtract one from the figures height. This is the number of levels a figure can climb up (or jump down without taking falling damage).

The number of levels separating two figures has to be less that the height of the smaller figure. (If it’s equal to or greater than then they are not adjacent and not engaged to each other.) In otherwords subtract one from the smallest figure, that's the number of levels that can be between them to be adjacent.

Our group even made a diagram in Illustrator to keep next to the game board to keep this straight. If anyone wants to see it I'll post it later tonight.

[Faustus]

What?! Changed the rules from 1st to 2nd? I've been playing 1st edition rules and had no idea! Is there a summary somewhere that lists all the changes?

[Grishnakh]

What?! Changed the rules from 1st to 2nd? I've been playing 1st edition rules and had no idea! Is there a summary somewhere that lists all the changes?

You can go to the Hasbro site and download a pdf of the new, 2nd edition rules here:
http://www.hasbro.com/heroscape/default.cfm?page=faq

[toddrew]

What?! Changed the rules from 1st to 2nd? I've been playing 1st edition rules and had no idea! Is there a summary somewhere that lists all the changes?
I think simplifying the falling/climbing so that they were the same limit is the main thing, the other clarifications were minor. My understanding is that the falling/climbing were meant to be as in the 2nd edition, but got mixed around in the first. Maybe the extreme falling and height advantage rules are different (new?) as well...

Not the authoritative answer you were looking for, but there you have it :lol:

[bunjee]

What?! Changed the rules from 1st to 2nd? I've been playing 1st edition rules and had no idea! Is there a summary somewhere that lists all the changes?Gee, wouldn't that be nice.

When reviewing rev2 rules, I missed the climbing thing. It is huge and not mentioned much.

Rev 1 Rules: a fig can climb something equal to or less than its height.

Rev 2 Rules: a fig can climb something less than its height.

RevDyer Rules: (geez, I wish I was witty enough to think of something to put here)

[ravelbone]

ok, im new to the game and reading this is slightly confusing.

1) my guy has a height of 4, i can only climb up with height 3 or less, correct?

2) i have height 4, im standing next to a guy on cliff of 4 tiles high, i cant climb it i dont think, but can i attack the figure next to me thats on the cliff?

[Aranas]

ok, im new to the game and reading this is slightly confusing.

1) my guy has a height of 4, i can only climb up with height 3 or less, correct?

2) i have height 4, im standing next to a guy on cliff of 4 tiles high, i cant climb it i dont think, but can i attack the figure next to me thats on the cliff?
Remember the "less than" rule.
-The cliff has to be LESS THAN your height in order to climb it
-The cliff has to be LESS THAN your height in order to fall without risking damage
-The cliff has to be LESS THAN the height of the lower figure to consider two adjacent figures engaged, thus allowing them for a hand-to-hand attack and/or leaving engagement attack

Aranas

[ravelbone]

what if the guy has range, like bow n arrow or gun, can my guy on ground with height of 4, shoot up to a figure on a cliff that is height of 7?

[sigmazero13]

what if the guy has range, like bow n arrow or gun, can my guy on ground with height of 4, shoot up to a figure on a cliff that is height of 7?
As long as he can "see" the guy on the cliff, yes. (And assuming by "has range", you mean has a Range value of at least 2).

[ravelbone]

so with range more than 1, the fig on the ground can attack up to the cliff (height 7 for cliff), but if it was range 1, then it cant hit the guy on the cliff cuz the lower figures height is not higher than the cliff itself, is this correct?

[toddrew]

yup

[Jormi_Boced]

what if the guy has range, like bow n arrow or gun, can my guy on ground with height of 4, shoot up to a figure on a cliff that is height of 7?

Yes that will work. Height is not counted for range.