Do you use multiple common squads?

[Faustus]

So far, my priority has been in trying to collect as many different sets as possible and I have not felt it worth the money to buy multiple of one set just to have the option of playing 3 sets of one squad.

The only exception is that I printed up a couple of Marro Drone cards and I use some skeletons with scythes from my old heroquest set as stand-ins. Mainly b/c the Marro Drones are completely useless with only one set.

Pro and con of only using one of each set:

Pro: it allows some variety b/c someone can't draft a whole army of one thing. We're forced to draft many different characters. I have a feeling that if I had 3 sets of Minions, all three would be drafted every time. Maybe the same with the Minutemen.

Con: it takes away some variety in the sense that we don't have the option to build more unified armies. Common squads lose a bit of the usefulness as part of what makes them good is being able to activate any three or four you choose with an army card.

Anybody else out there only use one of each? What about those that buy multiples, am I missing out? Are there any that are especially worth having more of and others that won't get any use if I have three?

[MementoMori]

At the moment I'm the only one owning a HS around here, so for a better gaming I'll be buying some multiples so more than one player can get to play the same squad at the same time.

But collecting the different sets is a priority

[maliciouspigpig]

I only use one of each because I don't make enough money to have multiples. I would love to 2 to 3 of each common and at least 2 of heroes(for moding or if one breaks)

[kenjib]

Instead of getting everything out there, I've focused on the units I like, getting 2 of each common pack, so I've got 2 sets of 4th mass/wolves, orcs, knights, and romans. My son also made me get the vipers/snipers because he thinks they look cool. :D

Other than that I've gotten some heroes and now at this point I don't really feel the need to buy many more units unless they really grab my attention. I would rather have a third of what is out there (the stuff I like best), but have it fully functional, than have all of it but have all of the common units not working as intended and not really performing to full effect.

[bluekitsune13]

So far I have bought 3 of every common pack to date, as I almost always use commons in multiples (with the exception in low point skirmish battles with a high point common squad). Otherwise if I'm playing with the automated battle rules there are a lot of points to spend, so I'll draft multiples of everything to fill out the enemy army.

[Jandars_Hope]

So far i only have one of everything! Not saying i wouldn't buy extras (of commons) but i just don't have the money to buy extra sets from the US because of shipping costs etc. I guess i will have to wait until the expansion sets go down in price over here! Wave 1 has gone down in Aussie so i'm hoping that it will go down in the UK. Then i will buy 1 extra(or more) of each common set!!! :D

[Su-Bak-Na]

I always buy multiples even if the pieces aren't the greatest.

[LilNewbie]

Minimum of 6 per unit with some of the more active units getting a few extra sets.

Newb.

[-Zim-]

I am working on getting multiples.

I want 3 of each common but I can never find wave 1 and 3 >.<

[DarkSpade]

I buy at least 2 of each commons. For one's I really like, I may by more(like my 4 packs or romans).

[gibberish_47]

I have at least two of each common, waves 1 through 3, except for the Gorilinator pack. I have a four or five of the orcs and romans, and 3 of all of wave 2. I have a couple doubles of wave 4, but I haven't been able to find all of them, and I haven't been able to find any wave 5 yet.

[Kahrma]

"Common" unit tend to work best with multiple sets. You're likely to move and attack with the maximum number possible for several rounds. I'd consider the designation of being "common" to be one of the most useful abilties in the game.

There are a couple of high-cost common squads that I would consider drafting alone, primarily in low-point games (microcorp comes to mind). Individual bonding squads are also worthwhile - ie. one squad of Knights with Sir Denrick. As long as Sir Denrick is alive, it's still worthwhile to place an order marker on the Knights - even if there's only one or two left.

If you can afford it, I'd suggest at least 2 of each common. But I'll bet you'll want more!

[feekonea]

commons are awesome, theyshould add an extr 10 or 15 points to each card if they are a common squad, because you can use them to their full adavantage constantly.

[philowar]

I have at least two of each common squad set. The most I have of a single squad are 8 squads of Roman Legionairres. I have four sets of knights as well and three squads of Minions of Utgar and three squads of Vipers and three squads of Marro Drones. Oh, and five squads of Blade Gruts. Hell, come to think of it I have a lot of squads. My gf has four squads of sentinels of Jandar and 7 squads of Greeks. Crap, we have a lot of squads. I could go on and on.

[Sapper]

I have multiples of several different commons. I have found that is the perfect amount for me. That way you can have some decent options when drafting but you can't get to crazy. Just my MHO.

[happyjosiah]

You gotta try it with at least a couple of your favorites...

[Sapper]

You gotta try it with at least a couple of your favorites...

Agreed!! My first multiple squad was the 4th Mass/wolves. I love me some wolves!

[B:T:L Matt]

I buy 2 of each common and 1 of every unique. Having multiple commons does help to enhance their abilities like the obvious drones, but also it can work out with certain squads like say the roman archers. If you have just one set, their ability becomes useless the minute a figure is destroyed. If you had at least a 2nd set, if you lost an archer, it wouldn't be a big deal.

Plus if you're like me, who often likes to go with a themed army, I think it looks cool on the batlefield when you have a battalion of say all romans or all orcs, or all vipers. They all work hand in hand with each other.

Another reason, and I dunno if others ever felt this way, but when I had one set of everything, it would suck if I quickly lost a good squad on the battlefield. Now with a 2nd set, if I lose a squad it's not so bad, because I have my 2nd set.

[Slade]

First I am collecting them all, then I am playing testing them as they arrive in the mail and getting gleeful looks like I just got more goodies for christmas, and finally I will get around to ordering 2nds so I can get that look even more...

[ptucker78]

Originally I thought I wanted two of each set (excluding uniques, just one each for those)... But the more I play I'm think I want a 3rd set of quite a few, especially with having three castle sets. I think there's still a lot of them though that just 2 will be all I want

[Faustus]

Well, I'm starting to be convinced that I may eventually begin to buy seconds and thirds of common squads. I still want to get at least one of everything first.

I'm curious how playable 8 of one common squad is, though. Don't the rules specify only 3 of any particular common squad? Or was I just reading some house rules somewhere...

Is there any limit to the number of common squads you can use in your army?

[LilNewbie]

The only limit to commons is the point limit for the army. The 3 common unit limit is a house rule.

Newb.

[Eclipse]

I love multiple commons. Some can get a little overpowered, but there's nothing like a giant horde of units to make for an exciting map. As for how many squads of a common I'll pick, it varies greatly depending on the actual unit. As a rule of thumb though, I use a 200 point rule. Essentially, I think the most number of squads shouldn't go too much higher than the number required to break 200 points total. For example, I'll almost never draft more than 2 squads of sentinels, but 5 squads of Orcs or Vipers isn't out of the question.

[markwars]

I love multiple commons. Some can get a little overpowered, but there's nothing like a giant horde of units to make for an exciting map. As for how many squads of a common I'll pick, it varies greatly depending on the actual unit. As a rule of thumb though, I use a 200 point rule. Essentially, I think the most number of squads shouldn't go too much higher than the number required to break 200 points total. For example, I'll almost never draft more than 2 squads of sentinels, but 5 squads of Orcs or Vipers isn't out of the question.

What size of armies do you typically play with? I think the 200 point rule is great for 400 point armies, but if you have 1000 points to play with I'd say you might want to increase that.

For the record, here's how many I bought of each pack:

10 Master Sets (4 of which are EOV)

10 Gruts
4 Romans
4 Snipers and Vipers
3 Heroes of Bleakwoode

3 Heroes of Laur
10 RttFF
6 Volcaren

4 Knights and Swog
4 4th Mass and Wolves
4 Drones and Minions
3 Heroes of Barrenspur

4 Sentinels and Monks
4 Gorillas and Hounds
4 Kilts and Commandos
3 Heroes of Nostralund

4 Thaelenk Tundra
3 Raknars Vision

4 Greeks and Vipers
4 Elves and Soulborgs
4 Samurai and Lawmen
3 Heroes of Trollsford

4 Soulborgs
4 Warriors and Soulborgs
4 Ninijas and Samurai
4 Gladiators and Agents

5 Fortress of the Archkyrie

[Sapper]

Just think of all the little chinese kids it took to paint your figures Markwars!! You probably employed a small army.

[markwars]

And they were thankful that I wasn't ninthdoc or LilNewbie. :P

[Pilgrim]

As others have said multiple commons are a must, assuming you can afford them. Common units have been costed with the presumption that one will draft multiples. Otherwise there are very few common squads that can stand alone as worth while (exceptions being perhaps the microcorps, minions, a few others).

Seriously - If $$ was tight and I had to choose been a) one of each common or b) multiples of selected favorite commons, I would choose b) for the sake of game play (though the obsessive collector in me would desire a)!

Faustus - perhaps a place to start would be, as HJ suggested, to pick one or two of your favorite commons and buy a second or even third set and see how it goes.

[scaper dude]

I love multiple commons. Some can get a little overpowered, but there's nothing like a giant horde of units to make for an exciting map. As for how many squads of a common I'll pick, it varies greatly depending on the actual unit. As a rule of thumb though, I use a 200 point rule. Essentially, I think the most number of squads shouldn't go too much higher than the number required to break 200 points total. For example, I'll almost never draft more than 2 squads of sentinels, but 5 squads of Orcs or Vipers isn't out of the question.

What size of armies do you typically play with? I think the 200 point rule is great for 400 point armies, but if you have 1000 points to play with I'd say you might want to increase that.

For the record, here's how many I bought of each pack:

10 Master Sets (4 of which are EOV)

10 Gruts
4 Romans
4 Snipers and Vipers
3 Heroes of Bleakwoode

3 Heroes of Laur
10 RttFF
6 Volcaren

4 Knights and Swog
4 4th Mass and Wolves
4 Drones and Minions
3 Heroes of Barrenspur

4 Sentinels and Monks
4 Gorillas and Hounds
4 Kilts and Commandos
3 Heroes of Nostralund

4 Thaelenk Tundra
3 Raknars Vision

4 Greeks and Vipers
4 Elves and Soulborgs
4 Samurai and Lawmen
3 Heroes of Trollsford

4 Soulborgs
4 Warriors and Soulborgs
4 Ninijas and Samurai
4 Gladiators and Agents

5 Fortress of the Archkyrie
And how much did that cost you total?
My guess? I don't know? Maybe 1500 dollars :shrug:

[markwars]

That's a pretty good guess. I think it would retail at around $1700, but I did manage to get a lot of it at TRU BOGO sales.

And in reality $1700 for that many minis over a two year period is pretty darn good compared to Star Wars minis, D&D minis, or Warhammer.

[toddrew]

For the cost conscious (moi, for example - though I do get at least 2 of every common), unless you've got a rigid sense of the aesthetic to adhere to, save your cash and use proxies/stand-ins for those horde armies!

[Jormi_Boced]

I pretty much feel that in order to make a common unit effective, one should draft at least two of them.

[Faustus]

For the cost conscious (moi, for example - though I do get at least 2 of every common), unless you've got a rigid sense of the aesthetic to adhere to, save your cash and use proxies/stand-ins for those horde armies!

Amen! I have a whole box full of heroquest figures, battlemaster figures and army guys. Until I can afford multiples of commons, I'm going to use them. I've been using skeletons for marro drones and they've been working out great. If there's a question of targeting, we just put an actual figure in its place for that turn. And whenever a "real" figure dies, we just take off a proxy and put the real figure where the proxy was.

I already know that the first common squad that I'll buy multiples of are the Zombies. I hear that they will be packaged two zombie squads in one package, and I'll still buy TWO packages!

Apparently I'll sacrifice my aesthetic to cost, except for where zombies are concerned... :)

[darktrooper889]

I get one and use proxies from the rest of my colloection if I want multiples.

[DarkBladeCB]

Yes. I own 2 of every common that I have and am looking to get three of the ones I like.

[ewabbie]

I just buy multiples of squads I think I would double up on. Like for example 4th Mass.

[Uprising]

4 of every common works best for me. Although I'm not sure why seeing as I've only played Scape like twice this year :?

[1Mmirg]

For the cost conscious (moi, for example - though I do get at least 2 of every common), unless you've got a rigid sense of the aesthetic to adhere to, save your cash and use proxies/stand-ins for those horde armies!

I am among the cost-conscious. But I have old Mage Knight figs I can use. And I have given in and got 2 of most commons and 3 of some I like a lot (i.e. Gruts!).

I also just use similar figs as stand-ins (so today we have a game from last night in mid-progress--the evening can't come soon enough---with some Roman Archers filling in for my 3rd set of Tag Sam Archers...it is less than pretty, but good enough).

(I am very lucky that for events and the like, Blue Dane lives near me and lets me borrow some figs to make official armies--I dream of having a collection like his...)

[zombiemaster12]

the only common i have multiplies of are the zombies. i have 36 zombies and getting more

[darktrooper889]

Yeah, zombies are awesome!!

[rdhight]

I never buy exactly one of a common pack. Either I don't like it and I buy none, or I buy two or more. You guys who buy exactly one of every common creep me out. That's so wrong!

[NEMT]

I have at least 3 of almost every common and want to get at least 5 of each plus if I really like it (Omnicrons, Aubriens, Knights of Weston, etc.) I will get even more.

[Jexik]

I never buy exactly one of a common pack. Either I don't like it and I buy none, or I buy two or more. You guys who buy exactly one of every common creep me out. That's so wrong!

My sentiments exactly. There are some commons that I still don't have, and others that I have as many as 4 or 5. I now have all the Uniques, except Marvel and a few of the flagbearers, which I can borrow from a friend easily.

[Blackrock]

I'm under the impression that any common squad is best going in at least 2 at a time. The Marro Drones and Zombies of Morindan are the only two squads I see a need to use at least 3 at once, but at least you can get 4 squads of zombies with only 2 purchases. I think cheap squads, namely the 40-pointers (Gruts, Venoc Vipers, Deathreavers, and Ashigaru Yari), are the most likely to benefit you in triples; currently I have 3 sets of Grut Orcs and Ashigaru, but I may look into getting more vipers as they make great shock troops, albeit fragile and only 3 to a squad; I just wouldn't use all 3 Omnicron squads very often, if at all. A third pack o' roborats would also prove useful in situations that call for annoying the heck out of your opponent.

Basically, if you use a single common figure, they're meant to be used at least 2 at a time if possible so you're losing valuable attack power every time one dies, whereas if you have even 2 you get to lose an entire unit's worth of men before the squad loses effectiveness. I try to play by that rule and it works great for me, but if you have a very low-cost game or the squad is particularly expensive or versatile it could be effective as a single. Sadly, Einar Emperium are more fragile than you think despite being the priciest common squad. However, Shaolin Monks and Microcorp Agents are worth their salt in small numbers thanks to Shaolin Assault and Stealth Armor 15.

[darktrooper889]

I never buy exactly one of a common pack. Either I don't like it and I buy none, or I buy two or more. You guys who buy exactly one of every common creep me out. That's so wrong!
Some of us are too young to have jobs, and I want at least one of all commons before I get more. I have a limited amount of money, you know.
Plus, I use proxies.

[1Mmirg]

I have a job, and it pays fairly well all in all, but I still can't afford what I want to pick up in HS. (I have acquired at least one of everything non-exclusive, but I use a lot of proxies and such as well.)

I'm just glad I'm Blue Dane's friend--that is a collection to be proud of (though not at Weirdscaper's level...).

[darktrooper889]

Yeah, Weirdscaper is... uh... weird. :)

[Eirikr]

I have multiples of every common squad. I don't see the point in having most of them unless you have multiples. The true value of commons is in having multiples and this is built into the cost so if you don't have more than 1 you are paying for something you are not getting.
My goal is to have at least 3 of each common squad and at least 200 pts worth of the cheaper squads; 5x40 pts., or 4x50 pts. etc.

So far with the common heroes, at 25 pts. each, I have been happy with 4 x 25 = 100 pts worth.

[StoneScorpion]

I started very lightly into heroscape, so when all the good stuff like orc and romans were around, i dint know any better. Now that i am avid, i am kicking myself, so i have to get multiple common squads. Izumi are much more fun with 6 of them. It is essential to have at least 2 of every decent common for flavor and fun

[IAmBatman]

Um, not to nitpick, but the Izumi are unique ...
Oh, and I've gotten many commons one at a time, simply b/c there've been one set of them on the rack at the store. No option for two, and if it's a HS squad I haven't gotten, who really thinks I'd go for zero? ;-)
That said, I usually don't use them much until I have at least two sets.

[Jexik]

Dang. In after Batman. I think I know what Robin feels like now.

[IAmBatman]

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s31/IBeBats/Batman.jpg

[Sherman Davies]

Man, that panel never gets old.

[DeadEye]

thats sorta what there meant for,
to give you more on the field and for Hasbro to get more sales ;)

DeadEye

[dmacleod66]

i just started playing about a month ago and the only 2 packs i have run across that i thought were so good i had to get doubles of was the templar knights and the wolves/minutemen packs, but am thinking of getting a few zombie ( becouse playing a 1000 pt team of zombies is cool) and the orcs/shades packs.

[S1R_ART0R1US]

I have multiples of some squads but not all. I wouldn't want to spend money on units I'm not going to use.

[Noob]

I would like double common packs but the only one I could find two of was Monks and Sentinels.... however I am close to getting my mom to buy me some IX Legions online, because I dont have a credit card:D:D:D:D

[Taeblewalker]

I feel most common squads are designed to be used in threes.

The Armoc Vipers, Templar Cavalry, Grok Riders, and Microcorp Agents can all be used with only one or two effectively.

The Marro Drones and Venoc Vipers are best used in fives, while the Zombies of Morandin are best used with at least five.

[Kaemon n' Raelin Dude]

I collected only one of each common at first, but then I saw the advantages I would obtain with more sets than that, so I began to collect doubles. I started with the marro drones and minions, since they're mostly useless with only one squad and a second 4th mass and wolves set. Then I just loved commons and continued doubling everything I have.

I don't have all of this yet, this is my long-term goal:

1 RotV (with extra terrain bought online, but only one set of figures)

3 Gruts
2 Romans
2 Snipers and Vipers
1 Heroes of Bleakwood

1 Orm's Return
2 RttFF
2 Volcarren Wasteland

2 4th Mass and Wolves
2 Knights and the Swog
3 Drones and Kyrie
1 Heroes of Barrenspur

2 Kilts and Commandos
2 Monks and Kyrie
2 Agents and ??
1 Heroes of ?

3 Soulborgs and Elves
2 Greeks and Vipers
1 Samurai and Lawmen
1 Heroes of ?

2 Thelenk Tundra
1 Raknar's Vision

2 Soulborgs and Elves
0 Gladiaors and Agents
0 Soulborgs
0 Ninjas and Samurai

2 Samurai and Kyrie
2 Zombies of Morindan
0 Shades and Orcs
1 Heroes of ?

2 Ashigaru
2 Knights Templar
0 Fiends and Vampires
1 Heroes of Elswin

3 Militia and Wolves
0 Elves
0 Marro Calvalry
1 Heroes of the Moltant Sea

[Metaknight]

I love using more than one common squad, but I'd rather get various units. For example, I'd rather get the Marro Grok guys and the Elf hero pack, than x2 Groks.

[1Mmirg]

I with you on this, Metaknight. I prefer to have all the units, use some subs/proxies for commons, and then when I have some extra money and find I like a certain unit in multiples (like the Gruts), to buy more packs.

KnRDude, you don't want to get the Soulborgs pack from Wave 5? Isn't that the one with the Blastatrons and DeathStalkers? I may be out of line but that is one that I highly recommend (esp. since you have the Gladiatrons listed in triple...).

[nyys]

Not a fan of proxies, if I don't have it then I don't use it, though I do have everything (fortunately).

As far as commons go, if I see it on the shelf I pretty much buy it. I have at least three of everything and up to 6 or 7 of some (I don't usually have a ton of cash, I just can't help myself).

[1Mmirg]

Well, I saw your pictures in the terrain thread--you definitely have more spare change than I do :). (Good on you!)

I have the Gruts to x3 and the Vipers, most of the rest I have x2 of now (but not quite all yet). Then I just add some chess pawns in to fill in for anything above the x2--it isn't long until I have replaced all the pawns with fallen units... :).

I don't mind a few pawns (or sometimes colored stones) on the board. Again, they don't last two long as units start dying and I swap out the pawns for the real figures. I just would rather own all the units and cards, and then add more figures as I find them on sale or can buy with a coupon, etc. (The sad practicalities of life. ;)...)

[rym]

The Marro Drones and Venoc Vipers are best used in fives, while the Zombies of Morandin are best used with at least five.

They rock with ten!8)

[Einar Gen.]

I started using multiples after wave 6 came out. Archers and kyrie are the main COMMON squads I use, since I like a lot of unique squads. My main goal is to get all the Einar and Jandar packs,(Probably Aquilla also) then move on to the other armies.

[Einar's puppy]

I started using multiples after wave 6 came out. Archers and kyrie are the main COMMON squads I use, since I like a lot of unique squads. My main goal is to get all the Einar and Jandar packs,(Probably Aquilla also) then move on to the other armies.

I too want to get as much Einar as I can. Unfortunetly, I want to buy what is good first and who is just to cool for school.


By the way, Welcome to the site!

[xeno the wolf darklord]

I'd wait for a long time before I'd buy multiple sets. It seems wrong to buy more of one set when other people can't get them.

[Cavalier]

I'd wait for a long time before I'd buy multiple sets. It seems wrong to buy more of one set when other people can't get them.
Are you seriously saying that people shouldn't have multiple commons because someone else doesn't have a particular set???? :confused: :headshake:

[IAmBatman]

The more money you give Hasbro/WoTC by buying their products, the more likely they are to lessen any distribution probs (which they already seem to be doing a good job of, IMO).

[CyberTiger525]

Haven't bought multiple commons in the past (was a kid back when I first played and more interested in variety), but am thinking of ordering some Blastatrons and maybe Gladitrons on Amazon. If I can find a good price, MAYBE I'll buy more than one. I thought about it initially with the Microcorp Agents but then I saw the price o_0. The only thing still stopping me is price, Heroscape is fun but expensive!

[Cavalier]

Haven't bought multiple commons in the past (was a kid back when I first played and more interested in variety), but am thinking of ordering some Blastatrons and maybe Gladitrons on Amazon. If I can find a good price, MAYBE I'll buy more than one. I thought about it initially with the Microcorp Agents but then I saw the price o_0. The only thing still stopping me is price, Heroscape is fun but expensive!
FYI: you are responding to a thread last posted in in 2008. It is always good to check the dates of posts. If you have something really good to add to a long dead thread, feel free to revive it. If it is just an idle comment, it's probably best not to.

[in2bator]

Haven't bought multiple commons in the past (was a kid back when I first played and more interested in variety), but am thinking of ordering some Blastatrons and maybe Gladitrons on Amazon. If I can find a good price, MAYBE I'll buy more than one. I thought about it initially with the Microcorp Agents but then I saw the price o_0. The only thing still stopping me is price, Heroscape is fun but expensive!
FYI: you are responding to a thread last posted in in 2008. It is always good to check the dates of posts. If you have something really good to add to a long dead thread, feel free to revive it. If it is just an idle comment, it's probably best not to.

Good luck finding Gladiatrons on Amazon. You'll have to go on eBay. And you thought Microcorp Agents were expensive!

[CyberTiger525]

Sorry, didn't realize this thread was dead.

[IAmBatman]

Heck, half the forum's dead. If you want to chat about it, by all means, I say. :-)

[scorpionslayer]

I generally try to get at least two of each of the common squads that I own, however in the case of figures that I really like such as the deathchasers (which I own 9 squads of) I try to collect a few more.

[Chardar]

Heck, half the forum's dead. If you want to chat about it, by all means, I say. :-)

I really don't think it's as dead as some people think. Aside from the official Marvel section everything has been posted in today.

[IAmBatman]

Heck, half the forum's dead. If you want to chat about it, by all means, I say. :-)

I really don't think it's as dead as some people think. Aside from the official Marvel section everything has been posted in today.

Well I'm probably not one to comment, actually. I rarely poke my head up from the C3G section anymore. I do know that activity in the top few forums isn't what it used to be, though.

[STAROCEAN980]

Heck, half the forum's dead. If you want to chat about it, by all means, I say. :-)

I really don't think it's as dead as some people think. Aside from the official Marvel section everything has been posted in today.

Well I'm probably not one to comment, actually. I rarely poke my head up from the C3G section anymore. I do know that activity in the top few forums isn't what it used to be, though.
Well with no more real HS news or new official HS figures one can't be surprised.

On topic, I used to not get multiples unless I really liked them as I didn't have as much money to blow, but now I'll be lucky to ever even complete my collections, much less fill out getting more commons I never got before thanks to prices and obscurity. Like I'd love to have one more set of Drones(to have 3) or a second set of Knights of Weston, but hell if I'll spend 30+ dollars on a single booster.

[CyberTiger525]

Saw that the Deathreavers and Omnicrons/Vipers are still around the $10 on Amazon, I'll probubly get one or two of those. I need to start improving my Common collection, if only just in case this game isn't renewed for awhile.

[IAmBatman]

Uh ... the game's done being made, dude. I'm not sure what this talk of renewal is about, but it's wishful thinking at best, no offense.

[Griffin]

Sorry, didn't realize this thread was dead.
This thread isn't locked, so it isn't dead.

We have a free forum here that is designed for people who love this game and site to comment in a judge free environment. You are definitely free to post here.


On a side note, no member on here should be discouraging others from posting in this community, especially when their post is harmless and innocent - unless of course you want the site to be forgotten about and no new membership growth.....

[Griffin]

Heck, half the forum's dead. If you want to chat about it, by all means, I say. :-)

I really don't think it's as dead as some people think. Aside from the official Marvel section everything has been posted in today.

Well I'm probably not one to comment, actually. I rarely poke my head up from the C3G section anymore. I do know that activity in the top few forums isn't what it used to be, though.
Yeah, I usually don't look up either. Every once in a while I will though, just to see if there is any buzz worth checking out - especially in the custom terrain and figures threads. :)

[RobWeaver]

There's really no reason to use single common squads (unless you're just rounding out your points). Most of them are too weak to influence the battle, and often you miss out on possible synergies. I have a couple single squads, but I almost never use them.
Now to the sidebar conversation: I've been reading and posting since HeroscapeHQ and .net. The conversation has evolved since then. The game is out of production, so there can't be the sense of anticipation that there was then. We also have a plethora of official characters to choose from and drafting has developed into a science.
Unfortunately, I think there have been developments too that shut conversation down. Concern about playtesting customs and creating projects I think has cooled custom posting. Tournament play advice is less than interesting to those who don't play tournaments. Since the character of posting interests have changed, I don't post as much as I used to.
(Not intended as a rant or a complaint, just the view from where I sit.)

[IAmBatman]

Custom posting seems hotter than ever to me ... but maybe that's just in the C3G area. :reapershrug:

[1Mmirg]

I think customs are hot. With Auggie's, SoV, C3V and the rash of Rackham and other figures people have been picking up--it seems like the Gallery is constantly full of new, innovative units. Lots of great customs.

Do agree that things have cooled over all. But there is still a lot of life, imo.

[Griffin]

Sidebar Warning! :lol:

I completely agree. Heroscape has moved to a new stage in its life where people are completing their personal collections while customs are exploding and reshaping the way people play Heroscape.

Now, more than ever, people are not afraid to play with some of their custom terrain with friends, where as before, there seemed to be pressure on game groups to ONLY play on BoV maps.

Now, more than ever, custom designers and game groups are experimenting with creating their own Heroscape cards for figures from other games in hopes to add on to the game with great customs that will be equally accepted as the Official figures. Where as not too long ago, customs were just to "customy" to be allowed on the table. :lol:

Now this "custom age" was going to be inevitable one day, we all knew it, but I do take pride in knowing that C3G not only resurrected Marvel Scape to a more respected state, but we also took customs to a more accepted state than other groups like TnT or NM24 were ever able to reach. And that has opened up the way for many others to aspire to do the same.

Oh yeah, multiple commons is the best way to play commons, because of the long lasting Order Marker efficiency and also the ability to attack an opponent from many different sides of the battlefield.

[Scapemage]

You know, I used to never buy mutliple common squads, and did wonder why I wasn't all that good. But then someone turned me on to the power of multiples, and now I will never play a common squad unless I play 2 or more.

[Gog the Viking]

I try to get as many multiples as I see reasonable-as long as they're at a reasonable price. If I don't have multiples, I'm not crushed. I'm fine with using 1x Templar Cavalry in any game.

[Griffin]

This is a good discussion. Do you guys have any common squads that you would ever consider drafting just 1 of? I think I might be tempted to do this for the expensive but fast and furious Templar Knights.

[Killometer]

Hmmm, there was a pretty good thread about that last year. Lemmee see if I can find it...

Edit: Here it is-1x commons (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=26709&highlight=commons).

[Griffin]

Actually, there are several threads about the same discussion, it happens all the time. Btw, this thread was started in 2006. ;)

[RobWeaver]

I think customs are hot. With Auggie's, SoV, C3V and the rash of Rackham and other figures people have been picking up--it seems like the Gallery is constantly full of new, innovative units. Lots of great customs.

Do agree that things have cooled over all. But there is still a lot of life, imo.

I agree. There's lots of stuff being posted. But it's not as genre-bending. Fantasy and superheros. People used to post historical stuff, literary stuff, characters from movies that didn't have pre-made figures available. While the overall quality has improved, we've lost some creativity in seeing the genre-crossing potential of Heroscape. This is one of the strengths of the system, and one that will carry it through its out-of-production days.

[1Mmirg]

Yeah, the lack of figures/sculpts available has chilled things a bit. I do hope that people will find the C3V doing more than just fantasy, but it is harder and harder to find good, available sculpts that real bend things the way Scape always did.

[IAmBatman]

Yeah, the lack of figures/sculpts available has chilled things a bit. I do hope that people will find the C3V doing more than just fantasy, but it is harder and harder to find good, available sculpts that real bend things the way Scape always did.

Exactly. It has less to do with a lack of interest and creativity and more to do with an interest in actually playing the units and treating them as "official" in their own right. This requires having available figures that fit into the game. Unfortunately, it's really hard to pull that off with historical units in particular.
I know that C3V has a few good historical ideas, though, and a bunch of good sci-fi ideas. :-) Hopefully they'll continue striving to keep the balance between the three main genres (though with a guy like 1Mmirg watching the ship, I have no doubt they will).

[RobWeaver]

Figure availablility is a real problem. While you can find 30mm - 1:48 scale figures for many things, they can be pricey. And then there are huge gaps in availability - does anyone in the world make 1:48 scale Japanese Infantry, for instance? There was a short time where toymakers were producing non-gaming products that were in a useful scale, but I have noticed fewer and fewer of those in the last couple years. I'm not a real creative gamer (certainly there are folks on this forum casting figures that are waaaaaaay more inspired and talented than I am), however, I'm more than willing to kitbash to get something useful. I took a fig that I've had lyng around for nearly 30 years, chopped it up, made some additions and turned out a fig my son wanted to play. Now that's a "unique!"

[IAmBatman]

Oil prices affecting plastic have really killed the majority of the minis markets in general, IMO. I think this was a major factor in the end of Heroscape and DnD Minis both. Prepainted plastic minis are just getting more and more expensive to produce.

[RobWeaver]

We're just in the doldrums. Remember the MicroMachines figures back in the 90s? They were great and now they're gone. Then everything was 30mm unpainted, then prepainted. There will be the next thing but while waiting for the shoe to drop we're going to have to go back to the workshop.
A friend of mine likes to ask me "What are you gaming now?" Because he knows that whatever obscure time-period he's researching, I'm probably doing something even stranger. Over the years, the answer has been "1867 Fenians" and "13th century Mongols and Moslems." Right now it would be "The 1877 Russo-Turkish War." There are NEVER figures for odd things like those.

[Griffin]

Oil prices affecting plastic have really killed the majority of the minis markets in general, IMO. I think this was a major factor in the end of Heroscape and DnD Minis both. Prepainted plastic minis are just getting more and more expensive to produce.
I read an article like that somewhere, but I don't believe it. Hasbro and Mattel haven't stopped making plastic toys (action figures, cars, army men, etc), and the prices haven't gone up either. I think that they realize that non-moving miniature figures are only selling consistently to a niche adult audience. And WotC turning their back on DnD is just a reminder that their only true interest is Magic: The Gathering.

[Count Zero]

The future of mini gaming is 3d printing. I wouldn't be surprised if the reprap (http://reprap.org/wiki/Main_Page) could print minis now. Sears sells a 3d printer that drills on wood. It's going to be that that brings back Heroscape or at least allows it to continue.

[The Deadliest Warrior]

I never realized the value of multiple commons until SotM rolled around - and I played with the 2X Stingers and Drudge and Nagrubs. So basically anything pre-2007 I only (regrettably) have 1 of, but anything post-2007 I've been smart enough to get at least 2X of the commons and I've gone back and ordered another one of the Grut Orcs.
I've learned a valuable lesson in Common collecting - alas, far too late. Still, I'm proud with what I have and it'll have to be enough.

[dragon master]

Yeah, the lack of figures/sculpts available has chilled things a bit. I do hope that people will find the C3V doing more than just fantasy, but it is harder and harder to find good, available sculpts that real bend things the way Scape always did.
warhammer.

[jschild]

Yeah, extremely overpriced, unpainted miniatures is obviously the way to go.

[SuperflyTNT]

So far, my priority has been in trying to collect as many different sets as possible and I have not felt it worth the money to buy multiple of one set just to have the option of playing 3 sets of one squad.
The game is designed specifically to have the option to play one or more squads, but to get the most mileage from a given army card, you MUST have more than one.

Think about it like this: If you have a squad of Stingers and one gets whacked, you lose 1 move/activation per turn when you play them next time. It reduces the battle effectiveness of that activation by fully 1/3. So, if you have three squads, you can have 7 killed before the effectiveness of the order marker is affected.


Anybody else out there only use one of each? What about those that buy multiples, am I missing out? Are there any that are especially worth having more of and others that won't get any use if I have three?
Any you like are worth having in multiples. The guy with 3 squads of a type will almost always whip a guy who has one squad each of many different types.

If you're going for the "I want variety" then just forego all the squads altogether and get Heroes only. Cheaper and does what you want.

[heroscaper2010]

I use single comons but thats becuase I only have 1x commons. Although I do have 2 SotM. I want multiple commons but don't have a lot of money and mostly look toward Birthdays and Christmas to get some stuff but parents and grandparents don't like the game enough and respect the game enough to get me anything. But when I have money. Maybe someday, I'll get everything or even just multiple commons.

[Overlord Hikash]

My goal is 3 of every common squad that doesn't adhere to any D&Dscape rules. Getting there, slowly but surely.

[jschild]

My goal is 3 of every common squad that doesn't adhere to any D&Dscape rules. Getting there, slowly but surely.

What are D&Dscape rules?

[Souron]

I really only use certain squads in multiples. Like the marro stingers the drudge and the knights of weston. Seeing as I can only buy a certain amount of figures. Mostly because I don't trust online retailers.

[SuperflyTNT]

The magic to Heroscape is that you can get what you want, and nothing you don't. I don't have Sentinels or Microcorps because I don't play them. Why get them if they'll never be played?

[heroscaper2010]

Mostly because I don't trust online retailers.

Never had a problem with online retailers. HouseMouseGames (housemousegames.com) and Auggies (http://www.auggiesgamesonline.com/). And never had a problem on eBay, I buy mostly Buy It Now items from the top sellers so that's mostly why, however, I have bought however 1 RotV set in an auction. But Buy It Now's are very good and described perfectly ESPECIALLY from top-rated sellers. That's why they are top-rated sellers!!!!! But if you don't have the money then don't worry about it but if you do sometime trust online sellers! THAT'S THE ONLY WAY YOU ARE GOING TO GET MORE 'SCAPE.

[Overlord Hikash]

My goal is 3 of every common squad that doesn't adhere to any D&Dscape rules. Getting there, slowly but surely.

What are D&Dscape rules?

Oh, by that, I meant figures that use treasure glyphs, dungeon spaces, shadow spaces, etc.

[Ninja Status]

I always get as many multiples as i can

[elvenwizard9]

It seems that, as the more commons I get, the more competitive my armies are... But, at the same time, it doesn't give me any variety. I remember when I used armies like:
Reavers x1
Sonlen
Roman Archers x1
Nilfheim

I didn't have multiples of anything but SotM squads, so I was forced into using more commons.

[flameslayer93]

It seems that, as the more commons I get, the more competitive my armies are... But, at the same time, it doesn't give me any variety. I remember when I used armies like:
Reavers x1
Sonlen
Roman Archers x1
Nilfheim

I didn't have multiples of anything but SotM squads, so I was forced into using more commons.

Yep, that's one of the biggest problem with buying up all of the commons you can get your paws on. You start to lose some of the initial variety that Scape originally held(at least for me). That's why I like to bust out a "Unique Units only draft" or something along those lines every once in a while. It tends to keep things fresh.

[Hahma]

I've got multiple squads of just about all commons. Usually 2 or 3 squads worth.

The thing is though, I generally stay away from using the same competitive army builds when playing. I like to get use out of most of my figures, so I've shown up to game days with kind of crap armies, but I was okay with it because I was there to have fun and relive the excitement of using different figures as if it were the first time again.

Anyway, having commons doesn't mean variety is lost unless the player chooses it to be that way. I don't play in tournaments, I play for fun and win or lose, being with the people I enjoy is the main thing. :D