Gencon Event QUESTIONS

[Grungebob]

If you have any questions about the Gencon events, please ask them in this thread so we can air them out before next week.

DO NOT direct your questions to Alan at Pastimes. He will just forward them to me anyway, and we don't need to make more work for him.

I will be checking this thread frequently.

[Snoop Greyjoy]

Oops, I actually did send an email to pastimes.net yesterday. Sorry about that!!

Onacara had a question in this thread (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=20597)I was trying to answer.

[Grungebob]

Alan forwarded your question to me.

[spider_poison]

How about using both Ne-Gok-Sa and Kee-Mo-Shi in the Mindshackle event? Is this allowed, and if so, how will it work out?

[Grungebob]

How about using both Ne-Gok-Sa and Kee-Mo-Shi in the Mindshackle event? Is this allowed, and if so, how will it work out?Just choose before the tournament, which one will be your vulnerable figure. I would choose NeGokSa as he's a tank.

[Onacara]

How about using both Ne-Gok-Sa and Kee-Mo-Shi in the Mindshackle event? Is this allowed, and if so, how will it work out?Just choose before the tournament, which one will be your vulnerable figure. I would choose NeGokSa as he's a tank.


I though he was a Marro :confused:

:wink:

Thanks again :gb: for taking care of all this stuff and keeping a level head through it all.

[playa1]

Will a point system be used during the championship tournament in order to determine who (with the same record) gets to go on to the championship?

(If so, how does mindshackling and soul devouring affect points?)



Also, In HEAT OF BATTLE, is a simple d20 roll used to determine who places the army card first? Does the winner choose or must they place first? Does placement of the first army card then forfeit initiative?

[lonewolf]

Also, In HEAT OF BATTLE, is a simple d20 roll used to determine who places the army card first? Does the winner choose or must they place first? Does placement of the first army card then forfeit initiative?

Initiative is a separate roll.

Winner of the placement roll gets to decide whether they want to place first or defer to their opponent.

[lonewolf]

Will a point system be used during the championship tournament in order to determine who (with the same record) gets to go on to the championship?

Record is the first deciding factor...PD(Point differential) is only used to resolve ties.

Example: There are already 15 people who qualify for the second day with either a 4-1 or 5-0 record. The next best record is 3-2. Let's say there are 20 people who all have a 3-2 record. We only have 1 remaining spot so they would take the person with the highest PD out of that group to fill the last spot. (I am purposely ignoring ties in this example....they would be figured out the same way though)

[Grungebob]

Will a point system be used during the championship tournament in order to determine who (with the same record) gets to go on to the championship?

(If so, how does mindshackling and soul devouring affect points?)



Also, In HEAT OF BATTLE, is a simple d20 roll used to determine who places the army card first? Does the winner choose or must they place first? Does placement of the first army card then forfeit initiative?we will use DCI for all swiss events.

Some events with heats will use a very limited PD to determine trophy recipients.

In heat of Battle there is a dice off for placement, and then another for initiative.

[Draconious]

Points...

By card?

By squad figure?

By wound?

[Lord_Paul]

Points will be scored by card, as per the official "scoring" section of the rulebooks.

[playa1]

I'm sorry. I'm not exactly familiar with DCI -- I have read several threads on tournament scoring and protocol, but it has been a while since I fine-tooth combed them.

If I mindshackle an opponent's Krug. I would assume that I gain 120 points and my opponent loses 120 points. When Krug is killed by my opponent, does that change anything?

Is soul devour the same?

[Lord_Paul]

Since scoring is determined by the total points on your surviving cards, I would assume that any points from a mindshackled/soul devoured card under your control would go to you.

In short:
If you control it, and it's still alive, you get the points.

Hope that helps!

[Rÿchean]

I'm sorry. I'm not exactly familiar with DCI -- I have read several threads on tournament scoring and protocol, but it has been a while since I fine-tooth combed them.
Any threads you have read on tournament scoring and protocol does not apply to the swiss events.

In the swiss events, we are using the DCI software. DCI is based on your record and the record of the opponents. The system awards 3 points for a win, 1 point for a tie, and 0 points for a loss. All players are stacked rank based on the points they have earned and then by the average points of their opponents. It has nothing to do with points on a card, points killed, or points remaining on the board.

If your game is called for time, then we use the standard scoring method found in the master set rule book to determine the winner of that game. This is the only situation where points on a card are used to score the game and that scoring only applies to that game. If the game is still tied after applying the standard scoring method, then the game remains tied and is logged as a tie in the DCI software.

[skyknight]

In heat of Battle are the figs placed by card or by figure???

[Clarissimus]

Placement is by card. Remember that when picking your armies -- those with more cards can have a big advantage. Having a lot of filler heroes could be very helpful.

[Wytefang]

Oooh! I have a question!

What's GenCon?

:unsure::rofl:

[Rÿchean]

As far as I know, Gencon is a place I go to dedicate 6 days of my life to the support and enjoyment of a game called Heroscape. I hear there is a dealer hall there and that you can demo other games, but I haven't really noticed it much in my 2 previous visits. Considering how booked and committed I am again, it should be the same this time: Heroscape, Heroscape, Heroscape, followed by some more Heroscape.

For me, Gencon is a place to play a lot of Heroscape a lot of different ways with a lot of different people.

[Onacara]

Well I am with you Ry...I do not play anything but Heroscape...sure I will check out the dealer hall but my goal is to get as much Scape in as possible with as many different people as possible. With that in mind I hope I can get a game in with you outside of the events if by chance we dont get matched up in one of those.

[Xaqery]

ok this in the faq that just came out and I asked this question last year but I think it could be aired a bit here.

I have a 440 point army that is 24 hexes. Then I add a 10 point ninja!

Its my understanding that this is legal as long as I then remove one of the other figures from the game to get back down to 24.

AND that figure I removed is never going to be in play.

[Rÿchean]

That is correct and the hex limit for all events is 24, including heat of battle. Further more, the hex limit also pertains to the Airborne and the Rechets, even though they do not start the game on the battlefield.

[playa1]

In the Capture Raelin tourney, Raelin can be moved once per order marker. However, do the figures need to end movement next to Raelin before moving her? In other words, an arrow grut could not move two spaces to an unengaged Raelin and then drag her 3 spaces back. He would have to end movement next to Rae-Rae and then on the next turn move her 4 spaces, right?

Also, is New Rae or Old Rae going to be used? (I assume New)

[Onacara]

I believe Raelin can only be moved 1 space at a time

[Rÿchean]

In the Capture Raelin tourney, Raelin can be moved once per order marker. However, do the figures need to end movement next to Raelin before moving her? In other words, an arrow grut could not move two spaces to an unengaged Raelin and then drag her 3 spaces back. He would have to end movement next to Rae-Rae and then on the next turn move her 4 spaces, right?

Also, is New Rae or Old Rae going to be used? (I assume New)
It could be either ROTV or SOTM and may well be a mix of both for the event. We purposely left it ambiguous so it could be either or both based on the supplied resources.

You are correct, the figure has to start their turn adjacent to Raelin. She can only be moved up to 4 surfaces hexes away from where she was.

Bolded stuff below.


By Rÿchean:
Raelin starts in the middle of the battlefield and is never controlled by either player. Raelin never takes damage and cannot be destroyed. Raelin can not be the target of an attack and cannot be subjected to, nor affected by, any special ability. Figures may not pass through Raelin even if they have powers that allow them to move through figures. Raelin does not count to either player's point total. Her Defensive Aura is activated for the figures you control while you have at least one figure adjacent to her. If both players have a least one figure adjacent to her, then her Defensive Aura is not active. At the beginning of any of your turns, if a figure on the card that you are taking a turn with, is adjacent to Raelin and if your opponent doesn't have a figure adjacent to Raelin, then during your move phase, that figure may "drag" Raelin. If the chosen card has a special move ability such as flying, stealth flying, grapple, climb, leap, charge…etc that figure will be unable to use that special move ability during it's move phase. The chosen figure may not increase its move value from terrain or from any power on a glyph or card. Move the chosen figure. After you move that figure place Raelin adjacent to that figure. Raelin can be placed no more than 4 hexes away from where she was prior to the figure's move. Raelin can only be moved once per order marker. At the end of your move, if Raelin has been "drug" onto any of your starting zone hexes and is not adjacent to any of your opponent's figures, you win the game. Players can also win the game be destroying all of the opponent's figures.

I welcome more questions on this event as it is a bit wordy and restrictive. I want players to be clear on how it will work.

[playa1]

I think I understand it pretty well now, thanks, though there are always sticky situations (that have come up in practice games). For instance. If my Krug and arrow grut are adjacent to Raelin along with one enemy Knight of Weston (that is adjacent to Raelin). If the arrow grut activates Krug through bonding and Krug kills the knight, the arrow grut can drag. That seems logical because the arrow grut is adjacent to Raelin before its movement phase, and the enemy unit was destroyed before its movement; however, someone can argue that the arrow grut's turn started when the order marker was turned, and that the arrow grut cannot drag because a knight was adjacent at the start of its turn.

I believe the arrow grut could drag, giving bonding a bit of an advantage in this event (not to mention all events in its own way). Please correct me if I am wrong.

[Rÿchean]

The grut could drag.

Conversely, it is worded that the unit has to be adjacent at the beginning of the turn and Raelin can only be moved once per order marker. If in the same scenario above, if there wasn't a knight there, then Krug could drag through the bonding turn, but the arrow could not drag again because is is limited to one drag per order marker. So pure bonding would give the option to drag with the beast or with the grut, but not both during the same order marker.

[Heroscaper101]

hello,I'm thinking about going to gen con indy just to get the promo figure. What will the cost once I arrive? Will I have to buy a badge or enter a tournament? How will I find the figure, I read somewhere that Heroscape is a very small part of gen con and is located in one of several different buildings is this true?Any help to these questions would be a great help,so I'm not flying in the dark when I arrive. thank you

[Grungebob]

hello,I'm thinking about going to gen con indy just to get the promo figure. What will the cost once I arrive? Will I have to buy a badge or enter a tournament? How will I find the figure, I read somewhere that Heroscape is a very small part of gen con and is located in one of several different buildings is this true?Any help to these questions would be a great help,so I'm not flying in the dark when I arrive. thank youAt the door tickets afre $75 and expect looong lines.

[Retlaw]

hello,I'm thinking about going to gen con indy just to get the promo figure. What will the cost once I arrive? Will I have to buy a badge or enter a tournament? How will I find the figure, I read somewhere that Heroscape is a very small part of gen con and is located in one of several different buildings is this true?Any help to these questions would be a great help,so I'm not flying in the dark when I arrive. thank youAt the door tickets afre $75 and expect looong lines.

Just to add some -- to get the figure you would either have to enter a Heroscape event or get one at the WOTC booth in the main hall. Assuming it is like last year, they will only hand out a set number each day at the booth, so it is first come first serve.

IF the only reason for going is to get the promo figure, I would suggest going through Ebay or buying/trading for one from someone else who is going (there is a thread for this). Like Grungebob said, there are long lines to buy tickets on site and they are expensive to just get one figure (I am guessing you could probably trade/buy one for about half the price of the one-day ticket and not have to stand in line for hour(s)). A worst case would be buying the ticket, but due to the long lines, getting to the main floor too late to get a figure and then also finding out all the events for that day are full.

On the other hand -- Gencon is more than just getting the free figure. It is a chance to meet some of the people you only know by a "screen name," a chance to watch and try other games. a chance to look at and buy stuff you only see in pictures on the internet (I almost bought one of the dragon dice towers last year -- it is so much better in person than in pictures, but was running low on disposable cash), a chance to watch some really good games being played, and much more.

[Onacara]

Quick question. Is there a waiting list for events that are sold out usually? It seams a few people are no longer coming and may have reserved seats for an event. Do those seats go first come first served to generics?

[Grungebob]

Quick question. Is there a waiting list for events that are sold out usually? It seams a few people are no longer coming and may have reserved seats for an event. Do those seats go first come first served to generics?
yep!