Hasbro exclusive email (with response)

[Messenger]

I sent this email to Hasbro and will post their reply when I receive it. In the meantime feel free to send similar inquiries.

I think we can bicker with each other over scalpers, or we can address the root of the problem. With that, the email:


I wanted to express my concern and frustration with what I have observed regarding the use of 'Exclusive' giveaways, namely last year's Nerak and this year's Sir Hawthorne figures.

I understand that these were given out at the Gencon game convention to spark interest in the game and as a way to say 'thanks' to the attendees. But it has come to my attention that some have taken advantage of your good will and acquired multiple figures with the sole intent of selling them at a profit. A quick browse of ebay will confirm this.

I offer my suggestion: Give away a pre-existing figure. A dragon, or Raelin, etc. This will satisfy the condition of sparking interest. A player unfamiliar with the game will think it is cool to receive ANYTHING. Why does it need to be an exclusive, and ultimately collectible, figure?

I ask this as an avid fan and a loyal consumer. Please reconsider your use of exclusive figures, or at least offer them for sale on your website to us who just want to play with them.

Here is the reply:

Response (Chris) 08/21/2006 10:34 AM

Thank you for contacting Hasbro with your comments on Heroscape and Sir Hawthorne! Perhaps I can bring you a little clarification.

First off, while I personally do not have any control in regards to future figure giveaways, I will certainly pass your comments on. I understand your frustration, and I do apologize for any inconvenience this giveaway has caused. We do our best to make sure that players only get 1 figure at the convention. I will certainly pass it on that people have acquired multiples and are selling them on E-bay for a profit.

As of right now, Sir Hawthorne was a free figure give away (1 per person) at Gen-Con. We will certainly pass your comments that you would like him available in a separate pack at retailers. Keep checking www.heroscape.com for any future info on Sir Hawthorne.

While we do not have the figure or the card available through us at this time, we do have a color photocopy of the card. We’ve attached the PDF file to this e-mail. If you would like a color printout, please update this contact with your complete address and we’ll be happy to send it out!

Thanks again for contacting Hasbro. If there is anything else I can help you with, please visit www.hasbro.com or e-mail me again.

[Venom]

at least offer them for sale on your website to us who just want to play with them.

ooooooooooooooh... I like this :D

[Rajaat the Warbringer]

I'd buy them from Hasbro, given the option.

[Hahma]

Very well said.

If the giveaways are intended to spark interest for new players, I totally agree that they don't have to be exclusives. There are plenty of existing figs that newbies or potential players would be happy with.

There should be ways for the people that have supported (ie. dropped a ton of $$$ on the game and/or by bringing others into the ranks of HS'ers ) to purchase these exclusives w/o having to drop $50 on e-bay.

The people that "have" supported HS financially and marketing-wise (getting others hooked), deserve a "Thanks" from Hasbro. Considering how little promotion the company uses, they rely on word of mouth from players to do their marketing for them. In my painting business, I rely on mostly word of mouth. When someone helps me get a new job (just because they like my work, not because they expect anything) I say "thank you" personally and drop them a little $$, or a gift card. Now I don't expect Hasbro to "give" me or anyone else anything, but the opportunity to purchase an exclusive figure for a fair price is something that would go a long way in my book.

Can't wait to hear the reply Messenger :)

[monkeyfish]

I'd buy them from Hasbro, given the option.
Same here. or I could just repaint a knight to make Sir Hawthorne and paint some VV to get some EOV's

[Hahnarama]

Man sounds like something I would say. :D

[Hahma]

There should be ways for the people that have supported (ie. dropped a ton of $$$ on the game and/or by bringing others into the ranks of HS'ers ) to purchase these exclusives w/o having to drop $50 on e-bay.
*removed my quote as to not ruffle any more feathers* - netherspirit


Nether,

Next year I plan to go. Being that I had just gotten into the game over the past couple months and only discovered this site not too long ago, I didn't find out about GenCon until not too long before it was scheduled.

As I had been dropping a lot of $$ on the product lately and had my daughter flying in from NY the weekend of GenCon, I just couldn't swing it this year.

If that's the only way to get it, then I'll do w/o. But I do like your contest and will effort to try to make a map. With my daughter out, my free time of after the 3 yr-old twins go to bed is spent with my 14 yr-old. Of course I do find a few moments to post here, but my laptop is in the kitchen and I can do this for a moment or too here and there.

Anyways, I'm not losing any sleep over the exclusives.

BTW/ how far (time wise are you from I-65?)

Later :D

[netherspirit]

BTW/ how far (time wise are you from I-65?)

5 to 15 mintues depending on traffic.

My comment wasn't directed at you specifically, I was just making a general comment to all the whiners and complainers out there. :)

[deliverymanxas]

I feel that it should be available to all of us Scapers from the Hasbro website. Even if it is an 'exclusive' figure.
I also feel that when you pay to get into Gencon, or wherever you go for the exclusives, you should get ONE voucher upon entrance for ONE exclusive figure. That would at least make you have to leave the store, and re-enter to get the second E.F. This could reduce the number of "scalpers" as one calls it, and give a little better chance that the E.F. gets further distributed.
Also, I agree that if one wants the E.F. then they should get off of their butts. I understand that some are new, and not quite up to speed with the website and events. But for those of us that are, dont complain about not getting you hands on an E.F. for free. Let the people make a few bucks if they want, thats probably what you would have done if you were given the chance to pick up 3 or 4 Neraks or Hawthornes. I know I would...maybe not for 50 bucks. But I would be more than willing to share with the community. Also, you have to consider the cash that dude dropped to get his ass into Gencon, to get the extra E.F. to share with the community (Gas/Plane Ticket/Hotel/Food). I dont see that big of deal paying a few bucks for an E.F., its not that different than people making customs-painting them, then selling them for ungodly amounts of money...why? Their time. And they are cool looking.

Yes I know I touched both sides...
Hope I didnt go overboard... :wink:

[ninthdoc]

Will this never end?

A story about myself:

The first time I saw a commercial for Heroscape was sometime in 2004. It was before Wave 1 came out. I saw it and had a Will Smith moment, "I've got to get me one o' dese!" I waited about 6 months and saw a commercial advertising Wave 1. Now, meanwhile, I'd moved back to D/FW from East Texas. I have a bad habit of buying games that I play one time or two w/my wife or a friend and then they just sit. This is not my plan, I just can't find an interested party to play the game with me.

So, finally I can't take it any more. I'd been lurking on .net and screamingtruth's old Xanga site. I read about the death of sparklies and I decided I wanted to get the game and hope to get an original set.

So I bought it. I played with my wife and son (who was 5.5 at the time) 1.5 games. We had to stop half way through the second game b/c my son was having a bad behavior moment. So I played several simulations. The writing was on the wall, this was going to be another game that just sat. :evil:

I saw the .pdf for Nerak and tried desperately to find a way to go GenCon. Not being a hardcore gamer before, I'd never heard of GenCon. I was pissed that there was no other way to get Nerak. I have written about this time and time again. IMO, exclusives that are based on geographic location are not fair. WizKids has promos where you buy "X" amount of product and send in for the promo. Of course you have to buy about $100 of product <ouch!>! Then, along with the promo, they send you a coupon for another promo that will run you $22.50 - $45 (which was lowered from $60 at the last moment!). However, being a completist, I had to get a Nerak.

I did something, I've never done before, I joined .net and started posting and interacting with this community. I bought my first ever double of an expansion. I bought a second Knights and Swog Rider booster. I thought I'd paint my own... I have paint skills that amount to zero.

So, I broke down. I paid $40 for Nerak on eBay, only to learn that I bought him from one of our own "community members" who had managed to flanagle 10 Neraks at GenCon. This same "community member" would come in, post, be very friendly, and then disappear. He only came by one other time to sell folks a bunch of XBox 360s (at an elevated rate), then he disappeared. He's been gone for months. Yes, I know his user name, I'm intentionally withholding it.

Here's my point: If you want it bad enough, you have options. Go to GenCon (which is what I did this year), buy one from eBay and pay a high price (which is what I did last year), paint your own, win one in contest, be a helpful person to our community, or find a buddy to hook you up. Paying $65 for a Sir Hawthorne may seem an insane amount of money, but it is the cost of a pre-registered ticket to GenCon, and that's without counting travel, food, lodging, and other con-related expenditures.

I managed to score one extra that I gave to a user here. That's right "gave". I could have easily kept an extra for myself or sold it on eBay, but that is not what this community is about. I know how I felt when I found out that I bought a Nerak at an elevated price from another "community member", it sucked.

I understand that not everyone can go to GenCon. Finances, age, parents, spouses, commitments, obligations, work, or school will keep anyone from going. However, complaining about this to Hasbro will likely fall on deaf ears. My advice, wait a month or so for the furor to die down and buy one off eBay. You'll probably get him for $25. I'll admit it's steep, but any collecible is only worth what you are willing to pay for it. That's what drives eBay.

[Codeman]

I feel that it should be available to all of us Scapers from the Hasbro website. Even if it is an 'exclusive' figure.
I also feel that when you pay to get into Gencon, or wherever you go for the exclusives, you should get ONE voucher upon entrance for ONE exclusive figure. That would at least make you have to leave the store, and re-enter to get the second E.F. This could reduce the number of "scalpers" as one calls it, and give a little better chance that the E.F. gets further distributed.
Also, I agree that if one wants the E.F. then they should get off of their butts. I understand that some are new, and not quite up to speed with the website and events. But for those of us that are, dont complain about not getting you hands on an E.F. for free. Let the people make a few bucks if they want, thats probably what you would have done if you were given the chance to pick up 3 or 4 Neraks or Hawthornes. I know I would...maybe not for 50 bucks. But I would be more than willing to share with the community. Also, you have to consider the cash that dude dropped to get his tuckus into Gencon, to get the extra E.F. to share with the community (Gas/Plane Ticket/Hotel/Food). I dont see that big of deal paying a few bucks for an E.F., its not that different than people making customs-painting them, then selling them for ungodly amounts of money...why? Their time. And they are cool looking.

Yes I know I touched both sides...
Hope I didnt go overboard... :wink:

They only give one figure out per person at Gen-Con. They stamp your Gen-Con Pass/Badge once you pick up the figure.

I do believe there should be a way for all HS players who do not or can't make it to Gen-Con to be able to get one. Our group discussed discussed this issue at Gen-Con and thought the promotional figure should not be a new figure but maybe a special paint or cast figure of an existing or soon to be released figure that way everyone would have the option of having a figure with the same abilities in their army.

[bluekitsune13]

Yes! I think that a soon to be released figure would be perfect to give away at Gencon instead of an exclusive one. I would have greatly prefered a Ke Mo Shi givaway than Hawthorne.

[ultradoug]

meh, I'm not going to go into the rant about dont repersent yourself as if you speek for everyone, I'm sure someone else will.
Look you want the figure, paint a knight and print out the card.
Go get a toy knight at Toys R Us, Print/Draw the stats out. Done.
Easy. Done. Cheep.
Get over it its just plastic.

[jcb231]

I have very little issue with exclusives. I think they are a nice little thank you to fans of the game and a nice way to get new folks invloved. The fact that they are repaints makes them not the "must-have" for me that some folks think they are.

If I were to change anything about the way exclusives are handled, it would be to offer ONE and only one exclusive per household (while supplies last) with shipping and handling money and the UPCs from about four to six other HS products....maybe a UPC from a Master Set could count as four points, a UPC from a castle could count as three, a UPC from a large expansion could count as two, and a UPC from a small pack could count as one.

I think that would be perfectly fair.

And for those that whine "But I don't save my UPC codes!" I have no pity....tough cookies, you should save them, always. :-P

[Neveryll]

It would be nice if they gave us the option to buy the figure at a later date. The only opposition I would see would come from the collectors who see their prize losing value, the ebayers who would scream about losing something to sell, the marketing type idiots who would say "But its a promo you shouldn't be able to buy it", and the manger executives who would say but its not part of our planned line up and would cost us too much to make. For the rest of us I wish some day to see this kind of attention to neat figures but doubt we'll see it in our lifetime.

<taunts with tongue sticking out and eyes closed>

Go on Hasbro I bet you don't have it in yah to actually go with something like this.

<peeks to see if it works>

[Hahnarama]

Will this never end?

No I don't think it will.

I could understand the ANGER if any Excl was such a powerful game anltering piece. But they're not.

[thehandofzarquon]

I have no problems with exclusive figures, but, as I've said before, this one is a repaint of a single figure from a 4-figure squad... hopefully the next exclusive will be a repaint of the other three :P

Maybe that will be the next Walmart Exclusive edition Master Set... Elite Onyx Knights :wink:

[AmishBurrito]

I have no problems with exclusive figures, but, as I've said before, this one is a repaint of a single figure from a 4-figure squad... hopefully the next exclusive will be a repaint of the other three :P

Maybe that will be the next Walmart Exclusive edition Master Set... Elite Onyx Knights :wink:

:rofl:

[reapersaurus]

My comment wasn't directed at you specifically, I was just making a general comment to all the whiners and complainers out there. :)OK, that's it.

this is WAY over the line.

Mods?
Are you going to stop this insulting of anyone who:

* does not live close enough to Gencon
* would prefer Hasbro to distribute these promotional items in a more fair and balanced way to prevent abuse by scalpers
* does not have the money to attend Gencon

Or are you going to let this uncalled-for abuse of members and theiur thoughts to continue unabated?

[Venom]

ok, i pretty much don't have anything against anyone here. i did have reap on ignore for some time in the past (sorry reap) but he does have a point. why is that you guys believe we can all make it to gen con? we are not all as lucky as you guys were to go to gen con and receive this exclusive. it is getting a bit annoying hearing that you guys all got one and we are all just fresh out of luck b/c we didn't go. it's starting to sound like you guys just want to throw it in our face now. give us some slack please. :roll:

[thehandofzarquon]

My comment wasn't directed at you specifically, I was just making a general comment to all the whiners and complainers out there. :)OK, that's it.

this is WAY over the line.

Mods?
Are you going to stop this insulting of anyone who:

* does not live close enough to Gencon
* would prefer Hasbro to distribute these promotional items in a more fair and balanced way to prevent abuse by scalpers
* does not have the money to attend Gencon

Or are you going to let this uncalled-for abuse of members and theiur thoughts to continue unabated?You forgot the people that also hate Conventions in general, or have another reason for not wanting to go (fear of crowds? claustrophobic? the smell? :P)

[netherspirit]

My comment wasn't directed at you specifically, I was just making a general comment to all the whiners and complainers out there. :)OK, that's it.

this is WAY over the line.

Mods?
Are you going to stop this insulting of anyone who:

* does not live close enough to Gencon
* would prefer Hasbro to distribute these promotional items in a more fair and balanced way to prevent abuse by scalpers
* does not have the money to attend Gencon

Or are you going to let this uncalled-for abuse of members and theiur thoughts to continue unabated?

I really don't know what to say to this. I wasn't meaning for my post to be abusive towards members. I thought the smiley would show that it was merely a tounge-in-cheek comment and not to be taken too seriously. Sorry that my post got taken as insulting it was not what I meant.

[happyjosiah]

Can't wait to see how/if they respond to THIS one...

[Thor]

I have been pretty quiet about the whole Hawthorne figure, but I think it's time for me to chime in. While I think it's cool GenCon attendees are given a free promo figure, why does it have to be exclusive? Why can't they give out an existing figure as mentioned? You are still getting a free figure that way, and I am sure it would still draw in some new players. Ok, so you arn't getting anything "special" at the con and it's not as enticing to new players to start playing, I can maybe buy that. Alright then, so instead of doing that why not try giving out a figure from the next upcomnig wave several months early as also mentioned? You are still getting your hands on a figure much earlier then everyone else and at the same time people can rest assured their collection won't be incomplete because they can't buy the figure at a later date.

Now yes I realize I could have gotten off my bum and went to GenCon to get a Hawthorne, I could buy him off the internet, or I could buy a set of Knights and repaint one. That is all fine and dandy. My biggest problem with these exclusives isn't that I can't get one or make my own, it is the seemingly big "F YOU" Hasbro is giving to some of it's most loyal fans. No Hasbro doesn't owe me anything, but I would think they would reward someone who spends hundreds, if not thousands of dollars supporting their product rather then some random GenCon attendee. I realize there were a fair number of folks that are fans of the game that got figures at the Con, but there are also a TON of people that didn't get one or got one and simply sold it for an outrageous amount to a desperate fan. The promo seems to create more hard feelings then it does new fans and promotion. I would be interested in seeing how many new fans these promos actually attract, if any. If anything it is the existing players garnering more sales through their own purchases and through word of mouth to friends and family. And these people are the ones getting shafted? Wow, wait to reward your most loyal fans Hasbro.

As I stated before I don't really care if I ever get a Hawthorne, I have pretty much come to gripes with the whole promo thing. However, I still thought I would express my views on the whole matter. I could care less if my collection is complete, what I do care about is the how I am basically be told "tough luck about that promo" after spending well over $3k on this game in the past two years.

[RichardD]

The *only* way I have to get a Sir Hawthorne is to pay the $30+ AND shipping demanded on Ebay. And my other half will simply not put up with that kind of extravagance.

I'm spending about a grand to go to a con in 8 weeks time (Essen Spiele '06 - it's ttendance figures are about double those of Gencon's). HasbroGermany wil be in attendance, but I'm not kidding myself that they'll have any Sir Hawthornes there (I suppose that there is a tiny, tiny chance - last year they had 4 wave 2 boosters nailed to their stand, so they do at least know that the game exists, but they've never demo'd HS yet). The chance of being able to afford a second trip abroad to attend a Gencon (whether Indy, SoCal, or next year's French one) is zero.

And yes, I'm a little bit fed up of hearing the mantra that if I want one, I should go to Gencon, or be grateful in some way that people who can (due to quirks of geography, timing, whatever) will grab a handful and ebay some of them. The whole "exclusive figure" nonsense was the BEST reason to avoid Mageknight and other collectable fgure games - it's a shame to see HS folow in its tracks.

On the other hand, it's only a bit of plastic - I can probably live without it.

[Regai]

They only give one figure out per person at Gen-Con. They stamp your Gen-Con Pass/Badge once you pick up the figure.


Can you explain how some sellers have 10 or more Sir Hawthornes?

I'll give it a shot, he got people (possibly friends) who had no interest in the game to go and get one of the exclusives.

As many as 170 Sir Hawthornes have hit eBay from people who had only the intent to cash in on Sir Hawthrone.

[Kepler]

As I said early in this thread I don't really care for exclusives, but I don't think its a big deal.

About the point of handing out a non-exclusive figure, there are two problems with that. It would go against the gaming convention tradition of the exclusive figure and a non-exclusive would be less appealing to the attendees. Second, if they handed out a non-exclusive figure from an existing or future pack then when someone buys that pack they have a duplicate hero and the free one is not very useful to them (unless it was a common hero -- but there are very few of those in the game).

The other main point here is that these exclusives are not an integral part of the game. Yes, they are cool figs and it would be nice if Hasbro had soemway of making these figs widely available, but it is really not a big deal IMO.

[teekay]

My two cents on the issue;

As stated by others, most people getting an exclusive promo piece from a game they've never played or heard of is meaningless next to a hardcore (even casual) gamer who has invested money in the game already and wants the figure to actually PLAY rather than sell it.

I would also like to see the figures available thorugh a UPC-type offer, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.

Lets face it (and I'm not defending Hasbro here--just trying to make the best of it), of the 3 promo figures so far, (a) 2 come from the same package--Knights and Swog Rider. (b) Nerak and the Elite Onyx Vipers can EASILY be repainted even by someone without painting skills. (c) Their army cards can be found on the net easy enough and printed out for play.

Is it the same as actually owning the original piece? For me, sure I'd like to have the original, but my painted Nerak plays just as well.

I guess what I'm getting at is that I would be a LOT more annoyed if Hasbro released a totally new sculpt rather than a repaint. At least with the repaint we have the option to make our own.

[Messenger]

Please allow me to explain my actions. As I said in my original post:


I think we can bicker with each other over scalpers, or we can address the root of the problem.

The root of the problem is Hasbro. Not Gencon attendees, not Ebay'ers, not buying paint and making your own fig. Hasbro's decision to distribute an exclusive figure created all the problems we are now experiencing and that is why I took my grievance directly to them.

I also said

I sent this email to Hasbro and will post their reply when I receive it. In the meantime feel free to send similar inquiries.

and I meant it. Hasbro is a company in business to make a profit. We are the consumers of their product. If we speak up and ask for it, they just might listen. Why? Let me ask you, if Hasbro packaged and sold an 'Exclusive Hero Pack' would you buy it? There are currently 947 registered users on this site, a majority of whom, I am willing to guess, did NOT go to Gencon and receive a figure. If Hasbro received 900 requests for these figures would that spur them to action? Please consider, and be nice when you ask.

Thanks.

[dra(gon)]

it is all pr.

let´s thing they show castel on the gc. and Sir Hawthornes is a knight.
he was fre give to every one maybe to find new buyers of hs.
(a castel with kights coll but it is only an expansion)

than tahat exclusiv thing hasbro know hat every hs buyer want that thing in any way not a costune thing i the word "exclusiv" appears ppl go crasy
wait for the next limted edition for hs.
and ja exclusive are rare so user must search and that will held the game alive. how many of you search on ebay to Sir Hawthornes?

and hasbro is smart the figures are repaint so in that way you have the figure only color and a card.

if kee-moishi were an exclusive figure that was only give a this gcand only thre no tru. the fans will be crasy pay 100$

and at this point hasbro think there will ppl angry.

[Grungebob]

The root of the problem is Hasbro. Not Gencon attendees, not Ebay'ers, not buying paint and making your own fig. Hasbro's decision to distribute an exclusive figure created all the problems we are now experiencing and that is why I took my grievance directly to them. The root of the problem is NOT Hasbro!! Jeez! How can they be faulted for giving away something for free? Hasbro caused absolutely no problems. They gave the figure out generously to all attendees that were interested. This was a gesture of good will and comemorates a special event. There is no insult, there is no other motive on Hasbro's part. Anybody who has issue with this or any exclusive is basing their argument on personal feelings.

[Havokscry]

I don't have a problem with a Gencon exclusive. I think by given one out at Gencon and then advertising it on the website is a bit hypocritical for Hasbro, however. They want to market Heroscape to 8 to 12 year olds. I can't picture too many parents taking their kids to a convention in order to get an exclusive. Let's face it. Most of the parents who go to Gencon probably are big gamers themselves. So what's it going to be? Is Hasbro still going to pretend that the game is for kids or are they finally going to admit that the market seems to be a much older demographic?

[Grungebob]

I don't have a problem with a Gencon exclusive. I think by given one out at Gencon and then advertising it on the website is a bit hypocritical for Hasbro, however. They want to market Heroscape to 8 to 12 year olds. I can't picture too many parents taking their kids to a convention in order to get an exclusive. Let's face it. Most of the parents who go to Gencon probably are big gamers themselves. So what's it going to be? Is Hasbro still going to pretend that the game is for kids or are they finally going to admit that the market seems to be a much older demographic?Actually the Hasbro booth was swarmed with kids!!! Adult gamers with children love the Hasbro booth and Heroscape because they can let their kids enjoy while they also shop around the WOTC section which overlapped the Heroscape area. Almost every kid that came by our area of the minis hall had a Hawthorne and were excited about them. The other kids when informed about the Hawthorne made it a point to go up to the booth and get theirs.

[Hahnarama]

The only solution is

A Go to GenCon
B Pay scalper rates off Ebay

or

C GET OVER IT!

G Bob hit the nail on the head.

[Teamski]

As I mentioned before, there are definately 2 sides to this arguement. Obviously, each side doesn't understand the other, so this discussion will go nowhere. Those of us that don't agree with how Hasbro executed this exclusive and regard those scalpers who got them for pure profit as vultures will not be entertained by those who are Genconers..... It's just the way things are....

-Ski

[Buddy Lee]

The only solution is

A Go to GenCon
B Pay scalper rates off Ebay

or

C GET OVER IT!


Appearantly a number of people have chosen:

D B!t(h, whine, and moan ad infinitum without resolving any problems so that you can . . .
B!t(h, whine, and moan ad infinitum without resolving any problems so that you can . . .
Repeat.

NOTE: I have already said that I am against exclusives for a variety of reasons. However, continuing this debate really is pointless.

Buddy Lee

[Messenger]

The root of the problem is Hasbro. Not Gencon attendees, not Ebay'ers, not buying paint and making your own fig. Hasbro's decision to distribute an exclusive figure created all the problems we are now experiencing and that is why I took my grievance directly to them. The root of the problem is NOT Hasbro!! Jeez! How can they be faulted for giving away something for free? Hasbro caused absolutely no problems. They gave the figure out generously to all attendees that were interested. This was a gesture of good will and comemorates a special event. There is no insult, there is no other motive on Hasbro's part. Anybody who has issue with this or any exclusive is basing their argument on personal feelings.

Perhaps I have not done an adequate job of defining WHAT the problem actually is, and for that I apologize.

As I see it, the problem is that many people want the exclusive figures and are willing to pay a reasonable amount for them (say, the price of a booster?), but are prevented by the limited distribution of said figures. Prevented how? By the cost of attending the convention where they were distributed (which is now over, so that option is irrelevant) as well as the price of the secondary market (e.g. ebay).

The reason I cited Hasbro as the 'root' of the problem is because Hasbro manufactured the plastic figures, and Hasbro gave them away on an exclusive basis. But it is also in Hasbro's power to resolve the situation...

Remember about a year ago, when Mallidon's Prophesy boosters were selling for about $30 per booster and Heroes of Bleakwood for over $60?!? On one of the message boards (HQ or Yahoo, can't remember) a member posted their response from Hasbro telling us/them to NOT PAY EBAY PRICES but wait because Wave 1 was set to be re-released.

If Hasbro did that then, then why not now? And that was the purpose of my message to them and my post here.

[Karkadinn]

The only solution is

A Go to GenCon
B Pay scalper rates off Ebay

or

C GET OVER IT!

G Bob hit the nail on the head.

I'd just like to mention that asking people to 'get over it' in any conflict of opinion is tantamount to demanding that human nature be changed, and therefore not a serious option to solve any disagreement.

[Kepler]

The only solution is

A Go to GenCon
B Pay scalper rates off Ebay

or

C GET OVER IT!

G Bob hit the nail on the head.

I'd just like to mention that asking people to 'get over it' in any conflict of opinion is tantamount to demanding that human nature be changed, and therefore not a serious option to solve any disagreement.

He is not trying to solve anything. He just enjoys complaining about other people's complaining. :D

[Messenger]

The only solution is

A Go to GenCon
B Pay scalper rates off Ebay

or

C GET OVER IT!

G Bob hit the nail on the head.

A. Gencon is over. Even if one was willing and able they could not acquire one by this method.

B. Scalpers rates will plumet if Hasbro releases the figures for sale (see M.P. example above)

C. We will 'get over it' when the figures are released.

G Bob is a sponge. The nail did not move. :D

[Hahnarama]

I can't believe I keep replying to this post.

They were GEN CON excl! Go to GC you get the figures. It's not as if HAS only gave them to people they liked.

If you choose not to go to GC, you choose not to get the excl. Scape is not the only game that does this.

I got fired up about this on the 1st day of GC. Honest to god I got a PM from someone I did not know telling me to get them one. I thought it was a fluke. Then 3 more seperate users who I did not know did thesame thing and got IRATE with me when I said sorry no can do!

Are you angry? don't direct it at the GC haves or HAS but at the scalpers on Ebay!

[Messenger]

I can't believe I keep replying to this post.

They were GEN CON excl! Go to GC you get the figures. It's not as if HAS only gave them to people they liked.

If you choose not to go to GC, you choose not to get the excl. Scape is not the only game that does this.

I got fired up about this on the 1st day of GC. Honest to god I got a PM from someone I did not know telling me to get them one. I thought it was a fluke. Then 3 more seperate users who I did not know did thesame thing and got IRATE with me when I said sorry no can do!

Are you angry? don't direct it at the GC haves or HAS but at the scalpers on Ebay!

Anger is not a factor. The 'scalpers' are not to blame. Hasbro can manufacture more figures, sell them, make a profit, and put the scaplers out of business. They did it before with Mallidon's Prophesy, they can do it again.

[Joah]

I look at it this way, while I don't like e-bayers gouging HS fanatics, I like that the exclusive is offered.

I also believe Hasbro knows where a lot of these end up.
And what they could go for.
I almost see it as a "Test", if you will.

If Ebay was flooded with promos, that they couldn't get much for, I'd start to get worried.

I couldn't go to GenCon last year, I asked several "friends", to stop by and grab me one.
None of them did. They are all SW/D&D mini's guys, don't think HS is a good game. Basically, losers.

I didn't sweat it though because I knew of the TRU event.

If you look at the Hasbro site, they mention trying to get SH "out there" for everybody.
I don't believe Hasbro really wants to screw over the hardcore fans of the game.

I was able to get two.
One for me, the other for a fellow 'Scaper, who I don't get to play enough.

:wink:

[ninthdoc]

Okay, teamski's right, there are 2 sides to this argument, I've been on both sides. I've taken option A and option B listed on the previous page. The fact is that with some minor exceptions that have no effect on gameplay, this is not a collectible game and not very expensive to get into.

I do understand that there are people who have financial, personal, and other considerations that prevent them from going to GenCon or paying exhorbitant eBay prices. I can tell you this. If someone were to send me 10, 50, or 100 Neraks or Sir Hawthornes today, I'd give them all away to people here.

Even if I did this, there would be someone who would be left out and a thread like this would start all over again. If you're a collector, you ought to know by now that you have to bring your jar of Vaseline with you because BOHICA! (If you need a definition of that acronym, please PM me!!!) Any collectible is gonna cost you money, that's just the world we live in.

I don't like that this has caused such discord in our community, but I don't know what could have been done to prevent it. I agree that there should be some other way to get an special figure other than travelling to one city to go to a con that upwards of 25,000 people attend. Until Hasbro decides to throw those w/out SH or Nerak a bone, I don't know what any of us can do other than option C. I say this not trying to be smarmy, rude, inconsiderate, or elitist, but simply because this is not productive and it's not getting us anywhere.

[Messenger]

this is not productive and it's not getting us anywhere.

Ninthdoc (and whoever else),

In your opinion, if 900+ petitions were sent to Hasbro asking (nicely) to release these figures, do you think that would sway their distribution decision?

In effect what I'm asking is: Is Hasbro a dispassionate, monolithic, corporation unconcerned with the satisfaction of its customers, or is there a beating heart inside the giant that yearns to please the huddled throng?

If it is the latter could we see an 'exclusive' booster?

[Grungebob]

this is not productive and it's not getting us anywhere.

Ninthdoc (and whoever else),

In your opinion, if 900+ petitions were sent to Hasbro asking (nicely) to release these figures, do you think that would sway their distribution decision?

In effect what I'm asking is: Is Hasbro a dispassionate, monolithic, corporation unconcerned with the satisfaction of its customers, or is there a beating heart inside the giant that yearns to please the huddled throng?

If it is the latter could we see an 'exclusive' booster?Remember that although there are over 900 members here we could never get even close to that to participate

[ninthdoc]

Messenger, I'm not saying that the petition is non-productive, it's the constant bickering between the SH-haves and the SH-havenots. If you all could make this happen, more power to you. I don't see it happening.

Then again, I'm not the optimist, that's Grungebob's job. I'm the Yin to his Yang. U+262F Or http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/17/Yin_yang.svg/180px-Yin_yang.svg.png

BTW, the first one of you to make a quarter-related reference will be the next target of my sig line, once I'm done w/Big J!

[Havokscry]

It just goes to show that for many people Heroscape has turned into an addiction. Personally, I can't even keep up with the new stuff. I'm moving in a month or so, so I've been seeing stuff I don't have on the shelves, hanging my head, and walking away. For many people though, patience is not a virtue. They have to have everything and they have to have it now. Why not wait a few months and see what Hasbro does, if anything? Complaining to them less than a week after Gencon isn't going to solve anything. Wave 4.5, wave 5, and the castles just hit. Why not enjoy those for the time being? Maybe a few months from now, Hasbro will be kind enough to release Sir Hawthorne by some other means. Worst case scenario is that prices on eBay will come down in that time frame.

[oogiezone]

A. Gencon is over. Even if one was willing and able they could not acquire one by this method.

B. Scalpers rates will plumet if Hasbro releases the figures for sale (see M.P. example above)

C. We will 'get over it' when the figures are released.

First off, everyone should have known since GenCon '05, when they released Nerak as an exclusive, that an exclusive would also be released this year. So one could have made plans to go to GenCon or have asked someone before the convention to try to get them one. Or, when people came home and reported having recieved multiples, one could have PM'd said individuals and asked for one or offered a trade. One could also be participating in Nether's contest where he is giving away this year's exclusive to the winner.

Second, releasing the figures for sale isn't going to stop scalpers on ebay because we all know how long it takes for products to get to every retailer. The only thing that will stop scalpers is for no one to buy from them. It's jsut supply and demand: you wnat it, they have it, you are willing to pay a lot for it so they charge a lot. If no one paid these ridiculous prices, the would-be scalpers would have to reduce their asking price or they wouldn't be able to sell their figure and make any money.

I, personally, don't see the point of releasing these figures for general sale. It's one figure! By itself! The whole point of having the figure in the first place is to get people excited about HS because excited consumers buy more product. Maybe Hasbro will decide to do a TRU exclusive with SH like they did with Nerak, who knows? So just relax, and wait to see what happens!

[jcb231]

They only give one figure out per person at Gen-Con. They stamp your Gen-Con Pass/Badge once you pick up the figure.


Can you explain how some sellers have 10 or more Sir Hawthornes?

I'll give it a shot, he got people (possibly friends) who had no interest in the game to go and get one of the exclusives.

As many as 170 Sir Hawthornes have hit eBay from people who had only the intent to cash in on Sir Hawthrone.

You answer your own question....that's exactly how it's done. Send in folks that have no interest in the game. In return, you pick up exclusives for them from other booths. Simple trade.

[jcb231]

I suspected that an exclusive would be offered. I could not quite justify the expense of going to Gencon this year.

What did I do?

I got creative, and managed to get a company to take me to Gencon.

Where there's a will, there's a way.

Our overseas friends might have problems with that, but really, if you're in Europe or Australia or elsewhere I'm sure you have bigger HS distribution complaints than not being able to get your hands on a Hawthorne! :-)

[reapersaurus]

ummm... maybe this is too common sense-ish, but i think the main problem some people (not me) have with an exclusive figure is that Heroscape's biggest unique refreshing advantages is that it doesn;t use blind-purchase, common-uncommmon-rare structure.

It's fascinating to me to hear people on one hand claim that they would be out of HS in a heartbeat if they went to a blind purchase format, then when they get a very limited-availability HS item, they make out like everyone else should be hunky-dory with a concept that is in complete opposition to one of the main reasons why most people have stated that they like about the game - that they can go to the store and pick up what they want, not have to deal with rares and such.

:shrug:

[Karkadinn]

Best post you've made this year, Reaper. ;P

[doctorkent]

In the end, Hasbro has been in business for over 40 years, and exclusives have been part of their business since the days of 12 inch Gi Joes. From talking to the teams that work on Gi Joe and Transformers at various conventions, they do not create any exclusives to anger their fans.
And its not going to change.

Something like the EOV - WalMart tells Hasbro they want an exclusive item at a certain price point for their clientle. Hasbro usually gives them a couple of options and then creates the item. Its pretty rare that you will see a completely new sculpt used as an exclusive due to the cost involved.

Hasbro wants people to play Heroscape. GenCon is a pretty big convention, so if they can hook people in to the entire game with just one figure, it makes sense for them to have something for free. As to why not just bring something random - one figure out of a pack for example - the logistics of how to distribute the figures are a definite hindrance. Nerak and Hawthorne are two separate, individually package figures with a specific card. The act of removing a figure from a pack, matching up the card with the figure, and determining who gets what figure would be a problem.
At conventions that I have attended where Hasbro has given out free items for filling out a survey, as one example, they gave out a random sealed pack of a pre-existing toy. Would this work at GenCon? Possibly, but creating an exclusive figure WILL bring people to these conventions. I would bet that there are at least a few people that would not have gone to the convention if there was not an exclusive item.

Lets talk about exclusives. Sometimes, contractually, Hasbro cannot sell something similar to an item that was offered at a convention. Again, as an example, for the Gi Joe convention in 2003 their licensee that runs the official convention produced an item that was a classic tank in a blue color. This was an item that practically any fan of Gi Joe would have wanted to own. The item completely sold out, leaving many fans without one. Even if Hasbro wanted to produce an item similar to this one, they cannot do it exactly the same per their contract with the licensee. In some cases, they have later produced an item that was pretty close to the original, but not exactly the same.

I do not know how many of each of these exclusive figures were produced - a couple thousand? - but most likely, they do not have crates of them laying around untouched.

The problem, per se, is not Hasbro. It is among us, the fans of anything Hasbro produces. The fact that many of us - myself included in most instances - feel the need to have EVERYTHING warps something that, in this specific instance, is meant to be a fun and free benefit to someone who attends GenCon. I'm sure the game can be played just fine with one Master set and no other additions, but going by posts, people are driven to attempt to call WalMart on the phone for information (a surer way to madness has not yet been found, a lesson I learned in the 90's with Star Wars toys) because of their hunger for new items. If you have ever driven to more than 3 stores in one day JUST for HS items, you are hardcore INFECTED. :lol: And in the end, this is supposed to be something FUN. If somebody has 1000 HS figures and no Nerak, does it really matter?

DoctorKent
who also hit eBay for Hawthorne and Nerak, so I am included in with much of the above.

[markwars]

It just goes to show that for many people Heroscape has turned into an addiction. Personally, I can't even keep up with the new stuff. I'm moving in a month or so, so I've been seeing stuff I don't have on the shelves, hanging my head, and walking away. For many people though, patience is not a virtue. They have to have everything and they have to have it now. Why not wait a few months and see what Hasbro does, if anything? Complaining to them less than a week after Gencon isn't going to solve anything. Wave 4.5, wave 5, and the castles just hit. Why not enjoy those for the time being? Maybe a few months from now, Hasbro will be kind enough to release Sir Hawthorne by some other means. Worst case scenario is that prices on eBay will come down in that time frame.

That post should be placed as a banner on every page you visit on this site.

[Teamski]

ummm... maybe this is too common sense-ish, but i think the main problem some people (not me) have with an exclusive figure is that Heroscape's biggest unique refreshing advantages is that it doesn;t use blind-purchase, common-uncommmon-rare structure.

It's fascinating to me to hear people on one hand claim that they would be out of HS in a heartbeat if they went to a blind purchase format, then when they get a very limited-availability HS item, they make out like everyone else should be hunky-dory with a concept that is in complete opposition to one of the main reasons why most people have stated that they like about the game - that they can go to the store and pick up what they want, not have to deal with rares and such.

:shrug:

Thank you Reaper for your insightfulness here. Well stated!

-Ski

[Grungebob]

ummm... maybe this is too common sense-ish, but i think the main problem some people (not me) have with an exclusive figure is that Heroscape's biggest unique refreshing advantages is that it doesn;t use blind-purchase, common-uncommmon-rare structure.

It's fascinating to me to hear people on one hand claim that they would be out of HS in a heartbeat if they went to a blind purchase format, then when they get a very limited-availability HS item, they make out like everyone else should be hunky-dory with a concept that is in complete opposition to one of the main reasons why most people have stated that they like about the game - that they can go to the store and pick up what they want, not have to deal with rares and such.

:shrug:

Thank you Reaper for your insightfulness here. Well stated!

-SkiI absolutely do not agree with this. Exclusives are outside of the normal distribution structure of Heroscape and have absolutely no effect on Heroscape's status as a no blind purchase game. The exclusives do not have a rarity so Hasbro can totaly do what they want with them even release them in the future as a retail item. The exclusives (Nerak and Hawthorne)are not collectibles. They are items that commemorate a special event. The only people who are considering these as collectibles are the completisits who cannot bear the thought of something that MAY be unobtainable. Hell I got EOV's just about a month ago!! That's right!! I do not shop at Walmart out of choice, so I did not get EOV. I did not think that it was wrong of Hasbro to only sell EOV in Walmart.. They gotta do what's necessary in their eyes to make the game a success, and from all acounts it is just that!!

[noodles]

It just goes to show that for many people Heroscape has turned into an addiction. Personally, I can't even keep up with the new stuff. I'm moving in a month or so, so I've been seeing stuff I don't have on the shelves, hanging my head, and walking away. For many people though, patience is not a virtue. They have to have everything and they have to have it now. Why not wait a few months and see what Hasbro does, if anything? Complaining to them less than a week after Gencon isn't going to solve anything. Wave 4.5, wave 5, and the castles just hit. Why not enjoy those for the time being? Maybe a few months from now, Hasbro will be kind enough to release Sir Hawthorne by some other means. Worst case scenario is that prices on eBay will come down in that time frame.

That post should be placed as a banner on every page you visit on this site.

I agree with this. It seems to be that most of the negativity on this issue is just pure jealousy that person A has a SH and person B doesn't. I don't like that they get put on ebay and people get ripped off either but the truth of the matter is that if it wasn't for ebay, I probably wouldn't be able to get one. That doesn't mean I'm going to buy one the week after Gencon when prices will be at their highest. I'll just write down the stats, use a replacement figure/proxy and grab it off ebay in a month or so when it's $15 dollars.

I wish everybody would just calm down.

[geddy lifeson]

It is definately time for this to end. I wish I could've gone to GC, but other things prevented it...one must have priorities. I don't like the idea of exclusives for a "non-collectable" game, but oh well. Its not like one can't get or more easily make one.

GB, I totally disagree with you on the point of saying the figs aren't collectibles. Once a non-retail item is released to a select group of people and becomes "exclusive" they automatically become collectible simply by definition of what collectible is. Granted, the hardcore fans, of which I am one do help make it that way, but it is still collectible no matter how you look at it.

I have no animosity or jealosy for anyone who was lucky enough to get a "free" one, I have nothing against the lucky SOB that made a mint off the sale of the one I bought. My apologies for any previous posts that may have rubbed anyone the wrong way. I have one now as I knew I would, my biggest regret... not being at GC for all the fun.

[thehandofzarquon]

ummm... maybe this is too common sense-ish, but i think the main problem some people (not me) have with an exclusive figure is that Heroscape's biggest unique refreshing advantages is that it doesn;t use blind-purchase, common-uncommmon-rare structure.

It's fascinating to me to hear people on one hand claim that they would be out of HS in a heartbeat if they went to a blind purchase format, then when they get a very limited-availability HS item, they make out like everyone else should be hunky-dory with a concept that is in complete opposition to one of the main reasons why most people have stated that they like about the game - that they can go to the store and pick up what they want, not have to deal with rares and such.

:shrug:

Thank you Reaper for your insightfulness here. Well stated!

-SkiI absolutely do not agree with this. Exclusives are outside of the normal distribution structure of Heroscape and have absolutely no effect on Heroscape's status as a no blind purchase game. The exclusives do not have a rarity so Hasbro can totaly do what they want with them even release them in the future as a retail item. The exclusives (Nerak and Hawthorne)are not collectibles. They are items that commemorate a special event. The only people who are considering these as collectibles are the completisits who cannot bear the thought of something that MAY be unobtainable. Hell I got EOV's just about a month ago!! That's right!! I do not shop at Walmart out of choice, so I did not get EOV. I did not think that it was wrong of Hasbro to only sell EOV in Walmart.. They gotta do what's necessary in their eyes to make the game a success, and from all acounts it is just that!!Quite frankly... having to shop at Walmart (likely one is within 10 miles of you) for an exclusive set of figures that anyone can actually buy (even multiple copies to supply others with them)... and a once a year, 4-day event that's pay to enter and is only in one, specific location to recieve a figure that is only available there, during that time and only one-per-person are completely different things in my eyes... :roll:

Also... whether a figure is only in one of every 20-30 or so packs you buy or given away only at a Convention... those are still both considered rare, collectable items in my eyes. Heck, the latter one could be seen as worse, since you can at least buy the first one, even if you do have to buy a crapload of packs to get it. :wink:

Regardless, I'm okay with these exclusives as long as they remain repaints of figures... but I do have to say that I would definetly prefer them to be repaints of heroes, not single squad members. :x

[Agent Minivann]

A. Gencon is over. Even if one was willing and able they could not acquire one by this method.

B. Scalpers rates will plumet if Hasbro releases the figures for sale (see M.P. example above)

C. We will 'get over it' when the figures are released.

First off, everyone should have known since GenCon '05, when they released Nerak as an exclusive, that an exclusive would also be released this year. So one could have made plans to go to GenCon or have asked someone before the convention to try to get them one. Or, when people came home and reported having recieved multiples, one could have PM'd said individuals and asked for one or offered a trade. One could also be participating in Nether's contest where he is giving away this year's exclusive to the winner.

Second, releasing the figures for sale isn't going to stop scalpers on ebay because we all know how long it takes for products to get to every retailer. The only thing that will stop scalpers is for no one to buy from them. It's jsut supply and demand: you wnat it, they have it, you are willing to pay a lot for it so they charge a lot. If no one paid these ridiculous prices, the would-be scalpers would have to reduce their asking price or they wouldn't be able to sell their figure and make any money.

I, personally, don't see the point of releasing these figures for general sale. It's one figure! By itself! The whole point of having the figure in the first place is to get people excited about HS because excited consumers buy more product. Maybe Hasbro will decide to do a TRU exclusive with SH like they did with Nerak, who knows? So just relax, and wait to see what happens!

I more or less agree with you, but I think that you are oversimplifying things a bit. If you started playing after Nerak was out, then there is no guarantee that you would know there was an exclusive. I got my first MS Christmas 2005, and I hoped the lack of an announcement of an exclusive was indication that there would not be one. I didn't have the resources to either attend or trade for Sir Hawthorne, and I can't say I'm in good enough with anyone here to have them pick up a gratis exclusive for me.

I also think the not buying exclusives on ebay is a little idealistic. Good luck getting a boycott on EOV, Nerak, or Sir Hawthorne bidding, especially if auctions go to the last day with no bids and a starting bid of a penny. I don't see the point of Hasbro selling these guys down the road unless there are enough exclusives in circulation to justify making an all exclusives booster. Even then I wouldn't imagine it happening.

[LoneDragon]

I think if you're going to count the Elite Onyx Vipers as an exclusive, you have to count the Volcaran Wasteland and the standard bearers as exclusives too.

[Venom]

isn't there another tru exclusive coming out?

[mechastar]

If anyone remembers TRU and Hasbro did the HS "game day" thing where they gave out a Nerak to those who came to play. My TRU never put it on but I asked about it when I got there that day. They had the materials for it and I got two Neraks handed to me. I should have asked for the rest. :twisted:

Gen Con wasn't the sole place to get a Nerak so maybe we can hope for another TRU promo or the like for Sir Hawthorne. You never know.

[Venom]

:pray: oh please oh please

[philowar]

meh, I'm not going to go into the rant about dont repersent yourself as if you speek for everyone, I'm sure someone else will.
Look you want the figure, paint a knight and print out the card.
Go get a toy knight at Toys R Us, Print/Draw the stats out. Done.
Easy. Done. Cheep.
Get over it its just plastic.

Hear, hear. We're all such rabid consumers in one way or the other. It's kind of sad. Not saying that I wouldn't want to have gotten my hands on a Sir Hawthorne, but, like Nerak, there is no way I was going to pay even $25 + shipping for one -- that is, for a little piece of plastic.
I don't understand how anyone would. Jeez -- the guy is just a crappy Knight of Weston repaint. Just make your own for goodness sake and save your money. And here would be the perfect opportunity to give myself a plug:
http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=1945
See? Now I have a Sir Hawthorne too! :D

[Venom]

doesn't Sir Hawthorne remind you alot of Sir Lancelot? both back-stabbers and great with the sword

[Logrey]

Wow - gotta go with Reaper on this one. I'm my opinion the exclusive system is bad for this game. Period. I think everyone should have any piece they want. Otherwise, play a collectables miniatures game.

We can argue this for ever. The simple matter of this thread was that someone wanted to write a letter about making the figure more widely available. I'm all for it. Or make a petition and I'll sign it. I don't think either will do much good. But more power to anyone who wants to try and change this.

This GenCon left a *real* bad taste in my mouth, between Hawthorne and Hasbro's shameless grab for cash that are $10 single-figure flag-bearers. It's just not a direction I'd like to see the game go in. Rant over.

[Grungebob]

Wow - gotta go with Reaper on this one. I'm my opinion the exclusive system is bad for this game. Period. I think everyone should have any piece they want. Otherwise, play a collectables miniatures game.

We can argue this for ever. The simple matter of this thread was that someone wanted to write a letter about making the figure more widely available. I'm all for it. Or make a petition and I'll sign it. I don't think either will do much good. But more power to anyone who wants to try and change this.

This GenCon left a *real* bad taste in my mouth, between Hawthorne and Hasbro's shameless grab for cash that are $10 single-figure flag-bearers. It's just not a direction I'd like to see the game go in. Rant over.Well, I have also not received a PM from you about your Sir Hawthorne. Does this mean that you do not want one? Please PM me and let me know because others are waiting on you Logrey.

[ninthdoc]

isn't there another tru exclusive coming out?

The 5 Standard Bearers are TRU exclusives.

[Logrey]

I just wanted to clairify my ranting a little - I think I was tired this morning.

I still love this game. I still love the community. I just wish everyone could have every piece they want. As fans, we're already dealing with distribution problems (tundra, castles, etc) and price issues ($10 for flag-bearers) - having exclusives is just one more way that less-fortunate people won't get something they love. That just bothers me and I think I get a bit red in the face when I see someone who has Hawthorne write: "Tough. Go to Gencon or buy it on eBay"

So, anyway, I'm not slamming the game. Just supporting the original poster.

[Jandars_Hope]

I just wanted to clairify my ranting a little - I think I was tired this morning.

I still love this game. I still love the community. I just wish everyone could have every piece they want. As fans, we're already dealing with distribution problems (tundra, castles, etc) and price issues ($10 for flag-bearers) - having exclusives is just one more way that less-fortunate people won't get something they love. That just bothers me and I think I get a bit red in the face when I see someone who has Hawthorne write: "Tough. Go to Gencon or buy it on eBay"

So, anyway, I'm not slamming the game. Just supporting the original poster.

I hear ya and don't worry i have those sort of days aswell!

[Bannister]

BTW, the first one of you to make a quarter-related reference will be the next target of my sig line, once I'm done w/Big J!

:quarter:

Hit me with your best shot!

:D

Bannister

[ninthdoc]

Logrey, I totally agree w/your comment about wanting everyone to have every figure they want. I think it's important to remember that the flag bearers also come w/a set of Heroscape dice and a dice bag. So for $10, that's not that bad of a deal, if you price dice and dice bags at game stores.


Bannister, I might have known. My sig space is busy right now, but as soon as J loses in the tourney, I'll get to you.

*ninthdoc's making a list and checking it twice
gonna find out whose naughty, how nice!
ninthdoc's gonna git ya, you're goin' down!*

Heh. :lol:

[ultradoug]

BTW, the first one of you to make a quarter-related reference will be the next target of my sig line, once I'm done w/Big J!

:quarter:

Hit me with your best shot!

:D

Bannister

Rember who the bleep is on here!
weee.

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http://www.warwickcrystal.co.uk/images10/w028new.jpg
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best hit
shot
you.

[Bannister]

GAME ON!!

:D
Bannister

[reapersaurus]

Wow - gotta go with Reaper on this one. I'm my opinion the exclusive system is bad for this game. Period. I think everyone should have any piece they want. Otherwise, play a collectables miniatures game.

We can argue this for ever. The simple matter of this thread was that someone wanted to write a letter about making the figure more widely available. I'm all for it. Or make a petition and I'll sign it. I don't think either will do much good. But more power to anyone who wants to try and change this.

This GenCon left a *real* bad taste in my mouth, between Hawthorne and Hasbro's shameless grab for cash that are $10 single-figure flag-bearers. It's just not a direction I'd like to see the game go in. Rant over.Well, I have also not received a PM from you about your Sir Hawthorne. Does this mean that you do not want one? Please PM me and let me know because others are waiting on you Logrey.GB - I think you posted this simply to clarify whether he wanted the figure.

However, you need to realize that this sounds like a threat.

"You don't like the concept of exclusives, and expressed it respectfully?
We'll see of we ever hook you up for anything, despite your contributions..."

To be clear - I am NOT saying you intended that, GB - I'm trying to make you aware that this is what it can look like, easily, on the surface.

I think I know you enough that you have the best intents of HS at heart, so I don't think you are threatening anyone to be silent about what you don;t like to hear.

Just like I hope you'd know enough about Logrey, or me, or any longterm member, and not think that they are "whining" or "throwing anyone's gracious efforts in your face" - some of the members don't think the concept of an unattainable item, for a game who's primary strength is that people can buy whatever they want, is a good thing.

That does not mean they would not want to have one - they simply don't think it's a good thing for the game as a whole.

That was me trying to paraphrase other members, above ^^^
For my part, I don't feel that exclusives are necessarily bad for the game, despite what you may have perceived. I recently posted well (people said) about what the prime issue is (and Buddy Lee said it on previous threads, IIRC).

Personally, I question whether Hasbro's choice of distributing limited figures at Gencon is the best way to accomplish their intentions with Sir Hawthorne.
I made this point pretty clear in the other thread, and would still welcome a smart discussion about it, but this keeps going round and round about personal feelings and whether there should be an exclusive.
I'm more interested in Hasbro's use of a GAME CONVENTION (which they have publically stated they're not interested in that niche) to get people interested in the game (when it's questionable that a limited figure does this, since if they sell it they'll make much more money than if they keep it and play the game - in fact, it gives them a financial incentive to NOT play the game!).
Heck, my stated position is that I like more and more and more HS product to be released, as long as they are quality releases. I love seeing different official mechanics for the units. As long as they make the card available for everyone, and hopefully have an easily-substituted figure so that all can play with their creation, I think it's all good, in theory.

I simply question whether their current Gencon limited figure approach satisifes the goals that they want to achieve with this promotion. :shrug:

[Grungebob]

GB - I think you posted this simply to clarify whether he wanted the figure.

However, you need to realize that this sounds like a threat.

"You don't like the concept of exclusives, and expressed it respectfully?
We'll see of we ever hook you up for anything, despite your contributions..."

To be clear - I am NOT saying you intended that, GB - I'm trying to make you aware that this is what it can look like, easily, on the surface.

I think I know you enough that you have the best intents of HS at heart, so I don't think you are threatening anyone to be silent about what you don;t like to hear. No it was not a threat at all. I just saw that he was mentioning his sentiments and had not even given me his address yet... I think he did not even know he was on the list. He PM'd his address to me and we are all ready to go. I bought packing material today and am going to start sending these guys out!! I think you might be reading something into this Reaper...

[Messenger]

I received a reply today (wow, that was fast!):


Response (Chris) 08/21/2006 10:34 AM

Thank you for contacting Hasbro with your comments on Heroscape and Sir Hawthorne! Perhaps I can bring you a little clarification.

First off, while I personally do not have any control in regards to future figure giveaways, I will certainly pass your comments on. I understand your frustration, and I do apologize for any inconvenience this giveaway has caused. We do our best to make sure that players only get 1 figure at the convention. I will certainly pass it on that people have acquired multiples and are selling them on E-bay for a profit.

As of right now, Sir Hawthorne was a free figure give away (1 per person) at Gen-Con. We will certainly pass your comments that you would like him available in a separate pack at retailers. Keep checking www.heroscape.com for any future info on Sir Hawthorne.

While we do not have the figure or the card available through us at this time, we do have a color photocopy of the card. We’ve attached the PDF file to this e-mail. If you would like a color printout, please update this contact with your complete address and we’ll be happy to send it out!

Thanks again for contacting Hasbro. If there is anything else I can help you with, please visit www.hasbro.com or e-mail me again.

[Zincdust]

Well, that's better than "Too bad", I reckon. :wink:

[aielman]

dang...


I want a color printout!

lol at least they are giving you that, and hopefully he does mention that we want to buy it

[ultradoug]

I have no problems with exclusive figures, but, as I've said before, this one is a repaint of a single figure from a 4-figure squad... hopefully the next exclusive will be a repaint of the other three :P

Maybe that will be the next Walmart Exclusive edition Master Set... Elite Onyx Knights :wink:

:rofl:

Comming soon...

[ultradoug]

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f348/coolmondoug/b.jpg

[thehandofzarquon]

I received a reply today (wow, that was fast!):


Response (Chris) 08/21/2006 10:34 AM

Thank you for contacting Hasbro with your comments on Heroscape and Sir Hawthorne! Perhaps I can bring you a little clarification.

First off, while I personally do not have any control in regards to future figure giveaways, I will certainly pass your comments on. I understand your frustration, and I do apologize for any inconvenience this giveaway has caused. We do our best to make sure that players only get 1 figure at the convention. I will certainly pass it on that people have acquired multiples and are selling them on E-bay for a profit.

As of right now, Sir Hawthorne was a free figure give away (1 per person) at Gen-Con. We will certainly pass your comments that you would like him available in a separate pack at retailers. Keep checking www.heroscape.com for any future info on Sir Hawthorne.

While we do not have the figure or the card available through us at this time, we do have a color photocopy of the card. We’ve attached the PDF file to this e-mail. If you would like a color printout, please update this contact with your complete address and we’ll be happy to send it out!

Thanks again for contacting Hasbro. If there is anything else I can help you with, please visit www.hasbro.com or e-mail me again.Is that card scan PDF any better than the small, crappy one that have posted on the censored news blurb? If so, uploaded it, please! :)

[teekay]

Is that card scan PDF any better than the small, crappy one that have posted on the censored news blurb? If so, uploaded it, please! :)
I second that. If you have a link, please let us know.

[brokeasajoke]

I used to have a job which included answering e-mails from consumers. Allow me to give a probable translation in red:

Thank you for contacting Hasbro with your comments on Heroscape and Sir Hawthorne! Perhaps I can bring you a little clarification. Cut N' Paste greeting.

First off, while I personally do not have any control in regards to future figure giveaways, I will certainly pass your comments on. I have no power; nothing will be done. You are wasting your time. I understand your frustration, and I do apologize for any inconvenience this giveaway has caused. I am tired of getting all of these angry e-mails. We do our best to make sure that players only get 1 figure at the convention. I will certainly pass it on that people have acquired multiples and are selling them on E-bay for a profit. Feigned surprise & concern, like we didn't already know...

As of right now, Sir Hawthorne was a free figure give away (1 per person) at Gen-Con. We will certainly pass your comments that you would like him available in a separate pack at retailers. Haha, good luck with that one, buddy. Your feedback is important to us, please stay on the line while we continue to ignore you. Keep checking www.heroscape.com for any future info on Sir Hawthorne. Mwuahaha!

While we do not have the figure or the card available through us at this time, we do have a color photocopy of the card. I sold all of the extras on Ebay & will be taking a vacation to Hawaii, Wheeeee! We’ve attached the PDF file to this e-mail. If you would like a color printout, please update this contact with your complete address and we’ll be happy to send it out!

Thanks again for contacting Hasbro. If there is anything else I can help you with, please visit www.hasbro.com or e-mail me again. Cut N' Paste good-bye.

[Messenger]

Is that card scan PDF any better than the small, crappy one that have posted on the censored news blurb? If so, uploaded it, please! :)

er...upload...umm

[Messenger]

I second that. If you have a link, please let us know.

yeah, a link...*searches computer illiterate brain*...how do I do that? (UD, stop laughing :wink: )

I saved the pdf to my hard drive, how do I get it onto Heroscapers?

[teekay]

I saved the pdf to my hard drive, how do I get it onto Heroscapers?The PDF was a file attachement to their email which you downloaded onto your computer. Is that right?

I would imagine you could go to either the Downloads or Gallery thread and upload it there. Maybe the Gallery thread allows you to upload your file directly to their servers? Most users use somekind of photo-hosting web site to upload their pictures to (in this case a PDF file) which will then give you a link which other users can click to retieve your file.

I don't recall the names of any at the moment, but I'm sure someone can recommend a few. If you want, email me the PDF and I'll host it for you.

[bunjee]

Gallery doesn't take pdf's but the Downloads section does. You can put it there, if you have any problems, pm me and I'll help you out.

Uploaded files need approval, so please, pm me when you do the upload so I can approve it.

[bushi96]

I used to have a job which included answering e-mails from consumers. Allow me to give a probable translation in red:

Thank you for contacting Hasbro with your comments on Heroscape and Sir Hawthorne! Perhaps I can bring you a little clarification. Cut N' Paste greeting.

First off, while I personally do not have any control in regards to future figure giveaways, I will certainly pass your comments on. I have no power; nothing will be done. You are wasting your time. I understand your frustration, and I do apologize for any inconvenience this giveaway has caused. I am tired of getting all of these angry e-mails. We do our best to make sure that players only get 1 figure at the convention. I will certainly pass it on that people have acquired multiples and are selling them on E-bay for a profit. Feigned surprise & concern, like we didn't already know...

As of right now, Sir Hawthorne was a free figure give away (1 per person) at Gen-Con. We will certainly pass your comments that you would like him available in a separate pack at retailers. Haha, good luck with that one, buddy. Your feedback is important to us, please stay on the line while we continue to ignore you. Keep checking www.heroscape.com for any future info on Sir Hawthorne. Mwuahaha!

While we do not have the figure or the card available through us at this time, we do have a color photocopy of the card. I sold all of the extras on Ebay & will be taking a vacation to Hawaii, Wheeeee! We’ve attached the PDF file to this e-mail. If you would like a color printout, please update this contact with your complete address and we’ll be happy to send it out!

Thanks again for contacting Hasbro. If there is anything else I can help you with, please visit www.hasbro.com or e-mail me again. Cut N' Paste good-bye.

I also have answered support emails for years. And I have also had some personal experience with Chris and Heroscape support. I will say that you are wrong with your interpretation. Chris Dupois is one of the rare breed of support personel who actually give a rip.

[Augray]

I also have answered support emails for years. And I have also had some personal experience with Chris and Heroscape support. I will say that you are wrong with your interpretation. Chris Dupois is one of the rare breed of support personel who actually give a rip.

I agree. I met Chris a couple of times at some Heroscape tournaments run by Jim. He is a good guy that cares about this game.

[happyjosiah]

I used to have a job which included answering e-mails from consumers. Allow me to give a probable translation in red:

Thank you for contacting Hasbro with your comments on Heroscape and Sir Hawthorne! Perhaps I can bring you a little clarification. Cut N' Paste greeting.

First off, while I personally do not have any control in regards to future figure giveaways, I will certainly pass your comments on. I have no power; nothing will be done. You are wasting your time. I understand your frustration, and I do apologize for any inconvenience this giveaway has caused. I am tired of getting all of these angry e-mails. We do our best to make sure that players only get 1 figure at the convention. I will certainly pass it on that people have acquired multiples and are selling them on E-bay for a profit. Feigned surprise & concern, like we didn't already know...

As of right now, Sir Hawthorne was a free figure give away (1 per person) at Gen-Con. We will certainly pass your comments that you would like him available in a separate pack at retailers. Haha, good luck with that one, buddy. Your feedback is important to us, please stay on the line while we continue to ignore you. Keep checking www.heroscape.com for any future info on Sir Hawthorne. Mwuahaha!

While we do not have the figure or the card available through us at this time, we do have a color photocopy of the card. I sold all of the extras on Ebay & will be taking a vacation to Hawaii, Wheeeee! We’ve attached the PDF file to this e-mail. If you would like a color printout, please update this contact with your complete address and we’ll be happy to send it out!

Thanks again for contacting Hasbro. If there is anything else I can help you with, please visit www.hasbro.com or e-mail me again. Cut N' Paste good-bye.

This is entirely unfair to Chris! :evil:

[Grungebob]

I used to have a job which included answering e-mails from consumers. Allow me to give a probable translation in red:

Thank you for contacting Hasbro with your comments on Heroscape and Sir Hawthorne! Perhaps I can bring you a little clarification. Cut N' Paste greeting.

First off, while I personally do not have any control in regards to future figure giveaways, I will certainly pass your comments on. I have no power; nothing will be done. You are wasting your time. I understand your frustration, and I do apologize for any inconvenience this giveaway has caused. I am tired of getting all of these angry e-mails. We do our best to make sure that players only get 1 figure at the convention. I will certainly pass it on that people have acquired multiples and are selling them on E-bay for a profit. Feigned surprise & concern, like we didn't already know...

As of right now, Sir Hawthorne was a free figure give away (1 per person) at Gen-Con. We will certainly pass your comments that you would like him available in a separate pack at retailers. Haha, good luck with that one, buddy. Your feedback is important to us, please stay on the line while we continue to ignore you. Keep checking www.heroscape.com for any future info on Sir Hawthorne. Mwuahaha!

While we do not have the figure or the card available through us at this time, we do have a color photocopy of the card. I sold all of the extras on Ebay & will be taking a vacation to Hawaii, Wheeeee! We’ve attached the PDF file to this e-mail. If you would like a color printout, please update this contact with your complete address and we’ll be happy to send it out!

Thanks again for contacting Hasbro. If there is anything else I can help you with, please visit www.hasbro.com or e-mail me again. Cut N' Paste good-bye.

This is entirely unfair to Chris! :evil:I agree it is in poor taste. Chris deserves better.

[Hahnarama]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Chris is a righteous, stand up DUDE! Time and gain he has gone above and beyond and sometimes without even being asked to!

DON'T SHOOT the messenger. He's doing his job, and he's doing it WELL!

[brokeasajoke]

I also have answered support emails for years. And I have also had some personal experience with Chris and Heroscape support. I will say that you are wrong with your interpretation. Chris Dupois is one of the rare breed of support personel who actually give a rip.

This is entirely unfair to Chris! :evil:

I agree it is in poor taste. Chris deserves better.

Is it not obvious that my post was a joke playing off of the corporate indifference stereotype? Things like the "Mwuahaha" & vacation to Hawaii were dead giveaways, or so I thought.

Maybe it was funny, maybe it wasn't, but to get indignant over it? With all of the truly personal attacks routinely made on this site, the blasphemy, & the crude humor, people are really this bent out of shape over a clean joke made in good fun?

[ninthdoc]

*Adding fuel to the fire about knocking Chris*

Didn't someone post that Chris took personal care to insure that a users Thaelenk Tundra was delivered even when HasbroToyShop.com's site claimed they didn't have any? I've not dealt w/Chris directly, but I've read many posts here lauding praise upon him. I know from experience that there are times when professionalism prevents us from saying what we want.

Here is my interpretation of what Chris wanted to say:

I received a reply today (wow, that was fast!):


Response (Chris) 08/21/2006 10:34 AM

Thank you for contacting Hasbro with your comments on Heroscape and Sir Hawthorne! Perhaps I can bring you a little clarification.

It's great to hear from you! Dam, I wish I could play Heroscape right now! I'd totally pwn you!

First off, while I personally do not have any control in regards to future figure giveaways, I will certainly pass your comments on. I understand your frustration, and I do apologize for any inconvenience this giveaway has caused. We do our best to make sure that players only get 1 figure at the convention. I will certainly pass it on that people have acquired multiples and are selling them on E-bay for a profit.

This absolutely sucks! It is not right and I'm as incensed as you are. As a stand up guy here at Hasbro, slugging it out for the fans, I'm going to suggest, again, that they come up with a fair alternate method of distibuting special figures. We could learn a thing or two from other game companies, both good and bad. :D

As of right now, Sir Hawthorne was a free figure give away (1 per person) at Gen-Con. We will certainly pass your comments that you would like him available in a separate pack at retailers. Keep checking www.heroscape.com for any future info on Sir Hawthorne.

I had to plug our site, it's in the script, but the real truth is that you should look to the real truth. You know, on truth's site. Psst... www.heroscapers.com/community

While we do not have the figure or the card available through us at this time, we do have a color photocopy of the card. We’ve attached the PDF file to this e-mail. If you would like a color printout, please update this contact with your complete address and we’ll be happy to send it out!

Man, I feel your pain, but this is the best hook up I can spot at the moment... :(

Thanks again for contacting Hasbro. If there is anything else I can help you with, please visit www.hasbro.com or e-mail me again.

I'm here for ya, dude. I'll do the best I can. BTW, when I run this joint, there'll be cool free stuff all the time and no bureaucratic nonsense! Peace out!

[markwars]

:rofl:

[aielman]

lol


I hope chris sees this lol

[vernz]

yea i was missing cards from my wave 5 ninjas and sami and chris emailed me that they were out of cards but he was going to send me copies until he gets some in. and it also said that the stats would be up shortly on heroscape.com. i think hes a great and hes helping me out for the time being

[bushi96]

brokeasajoke, we are not knocking you so much as defending Chris. If you ever had any dealings with him you would know that he really goes the extra mile to keep Hasbro customers happy. And I doubt he gets enough praise or compensation for his great work.

At least thats my take, maybe one of the others really was knocking ya... :P

[ninthdoc]

bushi, was it you that he got the TT for?

[bushi96]

Yeah, it was. I screwed up my address and everything went downhill from there. Their call center, while polite, were your typical call center- no help at all. Chris jumped in and stuck with it for a few weeks until everything was sorted out. Again, way beyond the call of duty.

Here is a funny story. I displaced a number on my phone number making the area code New Orleans instead of Oregon. Well, Chris called New Orleans to no avail. He then backtracked to my order. He found that the shipping was supposed to be Oregon so began searching area codes that might be close. He eventually figured out my correct number and called me up. He spent more time tracking me down then I would have ever expected.

[ninthdoc]

...And that's why he deserves a Wellspring Award!

[geddy lifeson]

I complained after not being able to buy TT on their site after it sold completely and aksed why they couldn't keep their own store stocked and jokingly asked if they really wanted my money or not. I received a couple e-mails updating me on the status of stock and just got an e-mail letting me know they are taking orders for the castle. I wouldn't figure he would remember that guy who was upset he couldn't spend his money, but he did.

He also sent me some coupons before when I wrote another e-mail with a couple questions and some praise for the game. Chris is definately a class act.

[aielman]

I think we should send Chris a fruitbasket for christmas for helping us out so much.


and ask him why the ragnar's vision cards are all screwed up.

[geddy lifeson]

Just not a fruitcake.

[LoneDragon]

How about an Apple Cake? I make the best Apple Cake there is. I perfected the recipe making them en masse for the holidays for the last few years.

Serious.

[bushi96]

Good idea...new thread.

[teekay]

Thanks to Messenger, I have the Sir Hawthorn PDF available, along with Nerak's PDF from last year and my scan of the Onyx Vipers (If anyone needs the Basic Game side of the card of the Vipers, let me know and I'll post that too.)

http://homepage.mac.com/vigprints/FileSharing6.html

I'll see about moving these all to the Downloads section where they belong.

Nice things about the PDF files is that they contain "bleed." This means that the artwork extends passed where the card gets cut. The reason for this is, lets say, you print out the front and back on a sheet of adhesive paper and attach the Basic game-side of the card to the back of the Advanced-rules side of the card, the bleed allows room for error and you can then cut the card down to actual size with no white space appearing along the edge.

Also a note to Messenger; I applaud your effort to get a letter-writing campaign started to affect the promo giveaways, but as you can see your idea quickly fell wayside to the debate over whether Hasbro should or should not handle promos differently. Both sides feel very strong over this debate and the discussion has been belabored over and over on many, many posts.

I don't know if next years GenCon will be any different. Maybe there won't be a giveaway due to the yearly troubles they cause. Maybe it will be an exclusive new sculpt instead of a repaint (and you thought there were problems now). What I do know is that the Nerak I painted myself and the card I printed from my computer plays just as well as my official Sir Hawthorn (that a buddy picked up for me--thanks, Vlad.) I have a fake Nerak and a "real" Sir Hawthorn and they both look great on the game board.

If you'd like an unoffical Nerak (I've gotten good at painting them) I'd be willing to paint you one and send it to you along with an equally official-looking 2-sided card. At the end of the day, it's just a game. Have fun. :)

[ninthdoc]

teekay, thanks for the great .pdf of the SH card. I've been wanting one to print.

I'm going to be a complete and total jerk and tell you all that I needed one because I'll never use mine in game play. My Sir Hawthorne card is signed by Craig VanNess, "To ninthdoc."

GenCon was freaking great! I can't wait until next year!

[teekay]

teekay, thanks for the great .pdf of the SH card. I've been wanting one to print.

You're welcome, but it was Messenger who got us the PDF. I was going to upload it to the Downloads area, but there's no section for "Official Product" downloads.

[ninthdoc]

teekay, thanks for the great .pdf of the SH card. I've been wanting one to print.

You're welcome, but it was Messenger who got us the PDF. I was going to upload it to the Downloads area, but there's no section for "Official Product" downloads.

Well, then "Thanks" to both of you, you're both gamers and I won't insult you by calling you gentlemen, but whatever, I need a beer.

[bunjee]

I put it up in the downloads section after you posted it. Tossed it in the Bin o' Goodies.

[Lilian]

Nice things about the PDF files is that they contain "bleed." This means that the artwork extends passed where the card gets cut. The reason for this is, lets say, you print out the front and back on a sheet of adhesive paper and attach the Basic game-side of the card to the back of the Advanced-rules side of the card, the bleed allows room for error and you can then cut the card down to actual size with no white space appearing along the edge.
Thanks for the PDF.
Nice things about PDF is that I can translate the cards into my language. So I'm sad to not find the Elite Onyx Viper in PDF. For exemple, you can see Nerak in french here (http://lilian.ludo.free.fr/Heroscape/nerak.pdf).
I'm sad too, when I see on the official web site that the cards Raknar's Vision have problem, because I can't translate it.

[bunjee]

It would be nice if they would do pdf's for all the cards so that people could print replacements easily. I can understand why they wouldn't. Your translation argument is a good one though, try sending it in through the customer service channel on the hasbro website.

[TweetyBird]

It would be nice if they would do pdf's for all the cards so that people could print replacements easily.

I second that. It's surprising how much damage kids can do even to laminated cards. :?

[jcb231]

I hope they give away an exclusive next year too, as I'm already planning on going, if I can spare the time. And if I can't go, Markwars is picking one up for me, because he and I have a pact like that. :-P

[ninthdoc]

I hope they give away an exclusive next year too, as I'm already planning on going, if I can spare the time. And if I can't go, Markwars is picking one up for me, because he and I have a pact like that. :-P

I soooo don't want to know what "glue" was used to seal that "bond". :quarter:

[markwars]

Hush you! :johnwoo:

[teekay]

Thanks for the PDF.
Nice things about PDF is that I can translate the cards into my language. So I'm sad to not find the Elite Onyx Viper in PDF. For exemple, you can see Nerak in french here (http://lilian.ludo.free.fr/Heroscape/nerak.pdf).
I'm sad too, when I see on the official web site that the cards Raknar's Vision have problem, because I can't translate it.
Because I hate to see a HeroScape player sad, here's your Elite Onyx Vipers in PDF format with actual type.

http://homepage.mac.com/vigprints/FileSharing6.html

It's the same scan I had on earlier, but now with type deconstructed from the official PDF files. I'd post the file to the download section, but at over 4 MB, the file is a little large for posting. Enjoy. :)

Again, if anyone is looking for the Basic Game version of the card, let me know and I'll go ahead and redo that one too.

[Lilian]

Many many thanks from the french fans of Heroscape.

Now I hope that the cards on the web site will be updated and the Thora's Vengeance will be uploaded.