Sir Hawthorne or Nerak

[ugly1hornedmule]

So after seeing Sir Hawthorne how do you think he holds up against the last exclusive? I think Nerak is a lot more solid when selecting an army, even without snow.

[happyjosiah]

Yes but Hawthone LOOKS SOOOOOO COOOL!!!!

[allskulls]

Sir Hawhorne for the cool factor too. Plus backstab sounds fun and it is great that the designers honored GBob like that...hmmm...I wonder if Nerak is supposed to represent someone from here :ponder:

[vernz]

yea i agree Hawthone looks cooler but nerak can help out armies more

[feekonea]

I like nerak, hes my favorite.

[toddrew]

Granted, I haven't given a lot of thought to how to use Sir Hawthorne, but I think he pales in all facets to Nerak - cost/stats, usefulness, I even prefer the Nerak/Swog Rider sculpt :)

[happyjosiah]

Sir Hawthorne was really named in honor of GB?

[Finrod]

Sir Hawthorne was really named in honor of GB?

It's just a rumor until they explain it. :P

Personally, I like the black knight much more than the snowy tiger.

[spleek]

Sir Hawthorne IS missing the special ability......wait for it..........

"Only a Flesh Wound"

Thank you, Ill be here all week..........try the fish!

[ninthdoc]

The best part about Sir Hawthorne: you could win or lose if he's your last unit.

I played a pick up game against funrun last Sunday. Now, in all fairness, she chose an army that would have been good for the Ne-Gok-Sa tourney. I offered to let her switch, but she kept what she had for expediency.

So, it comes down to 2 units on the board, her Ne-Gok-Sa and my Sir Hawthorne. I didn't even use Blind Rage, figuring that I'd have better luck w/4 attack dice against NGS's 6 defense dice. So the 2 of them wailed on each other until finally SH was victorious. Then I had to roll the D20... But, he didn't Stab me In The Back, so it was all good!

The point is, would I have rolled a "1", the game would have gone to funrun. He's freakin' awesome, but be careful w/him.

[gamjuven]

Nerak is better, I'd use him in more games, but Sir Hawthorne looks better and is more fun. Nerak is just a swog rider repainted which really sucks in my opinion. I wish they would have made him look different in the mold. At least Sir Hawthorne is a new sculpt, and it looks cool. His ability is just plain fun but in terms of gameplay nerak is better

[happyjosiah]

Brad Brad Brad. Hawthorne is a repaint of one of the Knights of Weston. I am dissapointed in you.

[markwars]

Nerak is clearly the better figure in terms of abilities and cost.

Sir Hawthorne is clearly the better figure in terms of nostalgia.

I use Nerak regularly. I bet I will use Sir Hawthorne rarely.

[happyjosiah]

When my excitement of just getting Hawthorne wears off, I will agree completely with markwars... as usual.

[ugly1hornedmule]

Think of it this way, how many times have you picked an army just because they look cool and if you do how often do you win?

[ugly1hornedmule]

and besides Hawthorne does look cool, but I don't think Nerak is bad looking by any means.

[markwars]

When my excitement of just getting Hawthorne wears off, I will agree completely with markwars... as usual.

Do we share the same brainwave bandwidth? I hope so because I've always found you to be bright and articulate. :wink:

[gamjuven]

You two should get married. Dump Erin Joe. You can be the first heroscape couple.

PS: I hate you Joe, I don't play with the knights enough to notice their sculpts, you're lucky I know there is 4 of them in a squad and that they have a bonding ability. (mutter...mutter...)

[gamjuven]

Forget both Nerak and Sir Hawthorne. We all know that the best exclusive figure/squad title would belong to the EOV. They are amazing and can fit in any army

[ultradoug]

I like the custom that they only sent to me -Menrak!

[markwars]

Me Wantee Merak!

[gamjuven]

It's Menrak, and it would be nice to have even tho it looks horrible. It has this homoerotic look about it and bonds with any man-figure in the game.

[Jason]

Apparantly I am the only one who thinks Hawthorne is better than Nerak.

1- 4/4 with 6 life is quite good for 90 points.
2- Being a Human Champion he can bond with some figures
3- He is 1 of only a few melee Heroes with a special attack
4- His ability to keep attacking is independant of the defense rolls unlike with DW8k or Brunak

[reapersaurus]

Nerak is clearly the better figure in terms of abilities and cost.

Sir Hawthorne is clearly the better figure in terms of nostalgia.

I use Nerak regularly. I bet I will use Sir Hawthorne rarely.quoted for truth.

[Pilgrim]

It's tough to compare the two because of their different point values and different purposes in the game. Nerak is a vital part of any orc swarm, but his role is primarily to buff the others. Ideally he's in the back covering the grut legions.

Sir Hawthorne, however, can stand alone or be part of a knight/macdirk swarm. He is more offensive and his wild attack begs for him to be used in the front diving into a swarm of say, grut swordsman.

Perhaps better to compare him to Dendrick:

1. He's tougher than Dendrick (6 lives)
2. He's got a better special than Dendrick (coward's reward is pretty narrow weak in some ways)
3. He's got sweeter armor.

So I voted Sir Hawthorne.

[markwars]

It's Menrak, and it would be nice to have even tho it looks horrible. It has this homoerotic look about it and bonds with any man-figure in the game.

I thought that when UD originally threw that out his name was "Merak"....like "Nerak". Someone must have adding that homoerotic "N" later on. :lol:

[reapersaurus]

Pilgrim - you neglected to mention that he may cost you a 180 point swing (5% chance every single turn of his) and maybe some order markers.

:shock:

[Jason]

Any unit that can work some magic against a swarm army is OK in my book.

Kinda ironic that NGS's effect is all but ignored since the 1/20 people say happens too rarely yet Hawthrone's effect that works 1/20 are causing people to say Nerak is better

[markwars]

Jason said: Jason

Best post yet, dude.

[skyknight]

Any unit that can work some magic against a swarm army is OK in my book.

Kinda ironic that NGS's effect is all but ignored since the 1/20 people say happens too rarely yet Hawthrone's effect that works 1/20 are causing people to say Nerak is better

For you Mark :wink: Actually he kinda has a point on thios one.

[netherspirit]

Pilgrim - you neglected to mention that he may cost you a 180 point swing (5% chance every single turn of his) and maybe some order markers.

:shock:

Thats what Lodin is for. :P

[dickflea]

Don't know haven't seen Sir Hawthorne up close...will vote when i have him... :D

[Pilgrim]

Pilgrim - you neglected to mention that he may cost you a 180 point swing (5% chance every single turn of his) and maybe some order markers.

:shock:

Good point my friend. Dendrick is true blue as his shield while Sir Hawthorne is about as safe as owning a pitbull.

Do you think that 5% chance tips the scales in favor of Dendrick? Not sure how you'd quantify that. My gut says Hawthorne still edges Sir Blonde out by a hair.

[jcb231]

Sir Hawhorne for the cool factor too. Plus backstab sounds fun and it is great that the designers honored GBob like that...hmmm...I wonder if Nerak is supposed to represent someone from here :ponder:

Nerak is Karen, a woman I believe works for or did work for Hasbro. I think we had a little info on that last year.

[Grungebob]

I voted Hawthorne. :gb:

[feekonea]

I voted Hawthorne. :gb:


surprise, surprise. :D :wink:

[Rÿchean]

my dumbass clicked Nerak before I realized what I was doing....

honestly though...Nerak at 50 points is a pretty solid choice in an orc army....

Hawthorne is a good figure but his backstab would make you think twice before putting him in a truly competitive army...

[gamjuven]

I'm voting EOV, because no exclusive is gonna match what those little buggers can do.

[happyjosiah]

Brad's just mad that my EOV have been the stars of our last couple games.... :twisted:

[ninthdoc]

Jason said: Jason

Best post yet, dude.

:rofl:

Any unit that can work some magic against a swarm army is OK in my book.

Kinda ironic that NGS's effect is all but ignored since the 1/20 people say happens too rarely yet Hawthrone's effect that works 1/20 are causing people to say Nerak is better

For you Mark :wink: Actually he kinda has a point on thios one.

I didn't see anyone making that exact statement. I wouldn't say that Nerak is better because of this, but he is more versatile. I have a lot of battle-testing to do w/Sir Hawthorne.

BTW, I can't imagine why Grungebob would have picked Sir Hawthorne. :shrug: I told Rychean yesterday that it would be nice if they introduced pirates and had an exclusive that was Captain Cook, but I'm not holding my breath... http://www.cyantre.com/images/snapshots/breath_holding_contest.png

[Dragon4201976]

Just got my Sir Hawthorne in the mail the pics don't do it justice it puts Nerak to shame....

[skyknight]

I can't wait to try out Hawthorne, he is so gonna be used like a nasty little .....well never mind :wink:

[markwars]

ninthdoc, would you accept Captain Kook?

[gamjuven]

Brad's just mad that my EOV have been the stars of our last couple games.... :twisted:

Perhaps.... They do awesome. Although I can't seem to fit them in the viper/elf army of my dreams. Which is a shame.

[reapersaurus]

Jason simplistically compares a adjacent beneficial ability that is NGS's only ability, to an always-on negative side-effect of using Hawthorne, and then inexplicably thrusts that into a comparison between Nerak and Hawthorne. :headshake:

Man, his ability to simplify things so much that he misses the point entirely continues to amaze me.

"Hey! This Lamborghini takes gas to run - so does this Celica!
They are just alike!" :roll:

[markwars]

"Hey! This Lamborghini takes gas to run - so does this Celica!
They are just alike!" :roll:

When Jason's posts become this entertaining please let me know. I will push that button again at that time.

[Hendal]

I voted for the Nerak swog, love the 2 hex sculps, even if it is a repaint I still use it a lot. They both bond so it was a close call though

[DemoDougie]

So after seeing Sir Hawthorne how do you think he holds up against the last exclusive? I think Nerak is a lot more solid when selecting an army, even without snow.

OMG Sir HAwthorne rocks! I used him with the Knights and totally sliced through the competition like a hot knife through butter! :chainsaw:

[Tiberius]

I dont have either but I would love to try either. I think Hawthorne is the better bargain but the swog is just as good in its application.

[Slade]

ok, so I just started playing this highly addictive game. Then it hit me that there were these two damn exclusive figures from Gencon's past and I didnt have them. That of course pissed me off. So, I began to search and lo and behold my local gencon friends came through. Seems my friend Galen who plays vampire the eternal struggle and magic went to gencon and picked up both exlusives. Guess where this story goes. I got them both from him as a friend for free! Now I have play tested the buggers and Hawthorne rocks the socks off of alot of guys. He cuts through smaller guys and has the power to take down the bigger guys too. I keep waiting for the backstab to come through my chest like the the movie aliens, but not yet. I figure the first time I use him in tourney he will do it then every time and I will curse his back stabbing bastard name. Yet, how can I be mad at a fellow for doing what it is in his nature to do? so because Sir Hawthorne is evil and a backstabber and one day will stab me I vote for him!

[markwars]

I dont have either but I would love to try either. I think Hawthorne is the better bargain but the swog is just as good in its application.

You should just print out the pdf's of their cards and proxy them with the figures they are repaints of. I promise they won't play any differently. ;)

[Thor]

Sir Hawthorne was really named in honor of GB?

It's just a rumor until they explain it. :P

Personally, I like the black knight much more than the snowy tiger.
So it has never officially been announced Sir Hawthorne was named after GB? And how did this rumor come about anyhow? I would go bother to read the 40 page Hawthorne thread but it pains me too much. And GB, if it is true I dunno if you should feel honored or ashamed. I mean, considering the type of figure Hawthorne is :wink:

Oh, and regarding this thread, Nerak hands down. Nerak is an Orc. An orc riding a snow tiger. That's all I should have to say. Period. He wins, Hawthorne loses, game over man, it's done with!

[-Zim-]

I don't have either by Hawthorne is by far the coolest looking ^^

[markwars]

Thor there has been no official confirmation about Lil Jerry. It's not the kind of thing Hasbro would announce.

[reapersaurus]

So it has never officially been announced Sir Hawthorne was named after GB? And how did this rumor come about anyhow? It's not a tumor.

I mean - it's not a Rumor. :lol:

It's been as confirmed as it's gonna be.

[Thor]

What are the origins of the rumor then? Why do do we think Sir Hawthorne was named in GB's honor? I must be told these things without finding the answers myself!

[markwars]

Check your PM box. ;)

[Country_Dragon]

Ok Based on looking cool of naturally Hawthorne would get the vote but I had to go with playability so Neraks who I voted for I mean why would I want to Draft a figure that could kill me.

[Tiberius]

Despite backstab, this guy is a one man wrecking crew and I think he could take out more than his points of any army. Hawthorne.

[deadeyedan42]

I don't onw the OFFICAL Hawthorne but I use a ring wriath to sub for him. I LOVE him! He can realy pack a punch!

[ugly1hornedmule]

I must say this closer than I thought it would be after all this time. Also makes me think, now that we have had Hawthorne for a while and he has had playing time what do people think now.

[IcantBseriouS]

would any1 be interested in selling sir hawthorne?

[jbbnbsmith]

For those still dying to get their hands on Nerak, Hawthorne or even the EOV's, just buy some black and white paint and an extra set of Knights and Swog and Snipers and vipers. Even someone with absolutely no miniatures painting skills/experience can make an adequate version of these "exclusives".

http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/displayimage.php?pid=4349&fullsize=1
http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/displayimage.php?pid=4348&fullsize=1
http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/displayimage.php?pid=4350&fullsize=1

And you'll have left over figs to do some customs, too.

http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/displayimage.php?pid=4347&fullsize=1
http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/displayimage.php?pid=4346&fullsize=1

[markwars]

I am frankly surprised by this polls results. I play with Nerak regularly, but I've only played with Hawthorne once or twice.

[Bladethorne]

You just can't beat using Blind Rage to take out 3-4 4th Mass in a single turn. :p




~Bladethorne

[ProtoFury]

Or using magical thread Necros to reply to a thread tt's one day away from being three years old.

[Bladethorne]

Join Date: December 25, 2009

I COULDN'T comment before.

[MegaSilver]

Or using magical thread Necros to reply to a thread tt's one day away from being three years old.

Would have been far better for him to post in the Unit Debate with the same subject, hmm?:D

MegaSilver

[ProtoFury]

Join Date: December 25, 2009

I COULDN'T comment before.

Nah, but thr's two other options: a) don't reply, just vote or b) Mega's option.

Or using magical thread Necros to reply to a thread tt's one day away from being three years old.

Would have been far better for him to post in the Unit Debate with the same subject, hmm?:D

MegaSilver

Haha isn't that just like MegaSilver... Always wth the Unit Debates. ;)

[Bladethorne]

Hmm, forgot about the debates.

[Kroc]

So... People can't post in old threads but will get ripped apart for creating new threads.

What a great sight!

[ProtoFury]

So... People can't post in old threads but will get ripped apart for creating new threads.

What a great sight!

Just doin' mah duty. ;)


In reality, I don't mean to be harsh. There's just been a rather sharp increase in ancient thread necro-ing with no real constructive replies. When someone necro's a thread and actually asks something in it, or brings up new constructive points or something, I have no problem, and usually +rep them for it. Dragging up ancient threads for a small comment that could just as easily be posted on a current thread, if at all, irks me a bit.

But I could've been more polite, I suppose.

[airdroppers]

Nerak has more synergy then Sir Hawthorne. So, Nerak would be better played with the right unit. If it came down to 1 on 1, Nerak vs Sir Hawthorne. Well, it's safe to say that you would be saying your farewell's to Nerak.

Overall, I like Sir Hawthorne more.

So, it comes down to 2 units on the board, her Ne-Gok-Sa and my Sir Hawthorne. I didn't even use Blind Rage, figuring that I'd have better luck w/4 attack dice against NGS's 6 defense dice. So the 2 of them wailed on each other until finally SH was victorious. Then I had to roll the D20... But, he didn't Stab me In The Back, so it was all good!

Blood rage would of definitely been a better option. If you roll 2 skulls (throwing 3 dice) you get to attack again. The chance of rolling 2 skulls out of 3 dice, I think is almost 50%.

[Bladethorne]

Nerak has more synergy then Sir Hawthorne. So, Nerak would be better played with the right unit. If it came down to 1 on 1, Nerak vs Sir Hawthorne. Well, it's safe to say that you would be saying your farewell's to Nerak.

Overall, I like Sir Hawthorne more.

So, it comes down to 2 units on the board, her Ne-Gok-Sa and my Sir Hawthorne. I didn't even use Blind Rage, figuring that I'd have better luck w/4 attack dice against NGS's 6 defense dice. So the 2 of them wailed on each other until finally SH was victorious. Then I had to roll the D20... But, he didn't Stab me In The Back, so it was all good!

Blood rage would of definitely been a better option. If you roll 2 skulls (throwing 3 dice) you get to attack again. The chance of rolling 2 skulls out of 3 dice, I think is almost 50%.

Actually, it's pretty high. I don't know the exact percentage, but I know that just recently I got five 2 skull rolls in a row. I think it's something like 75%.

[ProtoFury]

Nerak has more synergy then Sir Hawthorne. So, Nerak would be better played with the right unit. If it came down to 1 on 1, Nerak vs Sir Hawthorne. Well, it's safe to say that you would be saying your farewell's to Nerak.

Overall, I like Sir Hawthorne more.

So, it comes down to 2 units on the board, her Ne-Gok-Sa and my Sir Hawthorne. I didn't even use Blind Rage, figuring that I'd have better luck w/4 attack dice against NGS's 6 defense dice. So the 2 of them wailed on each other until finally SH was victorious. Then I had to roll the D20... But, he didn't Stab me In The Back, so it was all good!

Blood rage would of definitely been a better option. If you roll 2 skulls (throwing 3 dice) you get to attack again. The chance of rolling 2 skulls out of 3 dice, I think is almost 50%.

Actually, it's pretty high. I don't know the exact percentage, but I know that just recently I got five 2 skull rolls in a row. I think it's something like 75%.

Now someone can correct me on this, because there's a good chance my morning-math (i'm still not fully awake) is wrong here, but I don't believe it's that high. One attack die has a 50% chance of rolling a skull, 3/6 (skulls to sides). With two dice, each having a 50% chance of rolling a skull, the chance at rolling two skulls together drops to 25%--the product of multiplying the two 50% chances.

To figure out the chances of rolling 2 skulls or higher out of three dice, you have to do a little more work. Not much, but still. You take your 25% chance of rolling two skulls on two dice, and multiply it by 50% again, for the chances of rolling skulls on all three dice. The chances for rolling all three skulls would be 12.5%. Now the extra work comes in. To figureout the chances of rolling 2/3 skulls (without using more complicated math or an engine that will produce results out of a certain number of trials), an easy way to go about it would be by assuming you want to find outthe probability of having two skulls on tw spcific dice, and a blank on a specific third die. The first two have 50% chances again, and the third one also has a 50% chance--of being a blank. That gives us another 12.5% to work with. but that 12.5% is only when getting a blank on one specific die. In reality, you could get a blank on any die but still reach the 2 die needed to continue, so there woud be a 12.5% chance of rolling two skulls for each die that comes up blank, 12.5% multiplied by the three dice gives you 37.5%. Now 37.5% is the odds of rolling 2/3 skulls, and you can add that to your previous 12.5% for rolling 3 skulls, and the probability of rolling 2 or more skulls when throwing three dice is exactly 50%.

You can look at this for the probabilities, based of the kinda math I used already:

3/3 Skulls---12.5%
2/3 Skulls---37.5%
1/3 Skulls---37.5%
0/3 Skulls---12.5%

And with that, I'm pretty sure my math is sound here. Which is good, because it means my brain still works when I'm barely awake.

So, airdroppers would be close on ths one--the chances of rolling at least two skulls from three dice is exactly 50%.

[Bladethorne]

:ponder: I swear I saw an Admin say it was 75% somewhere. It definitely works out to around 75% for me, with 3 skulls being kinda common, and 1 skull being uncommon.

[jschild]

It looks right because my math gets me a 87.5% chance to get at least one skull, so seems right.

[Scapemage]

ooohhhhh...this is a really tough one. I'd have to say Sir Hawthrone, he's quite fun to play.