Martial Artists

[Sydcomebak]

I know that there are guys and gals out there that are into self-improvement and the Martial Arts.

Who are you, and what do you do?

I currently teach Western Martial arts for the Chicago Swordplay Guild. I teach Italian Medieval longsword, dagger, and wrestling. As for the "style" of these arts, we use Fiore Dei Liberi's book "Il Fior di Battaglia" written in 1409. I personally also research and teach outside of this curriculum into the German tradition of longsword and dagger work from Johannes Lichtenauer and Sigmund Ringeck in the 14th and 15th centuries.

I'm also a certified instructor in modern knife combatives for the Scientific Fighting Congress. (Knife v Knife, Knife v unarmed, etc)

I've had a few years of Asian traditions under my belt as well, but I never reached a level where I felt comfortable with the techniques enough that I saw them as effective for me as reflex. (my fault, not bashing Asian martial traditions)

Post pics of yourself in uniform if you can!

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Here I am being thrown by one of our other longsword instructors. If you are wondering why I'm holding my sword so strangely, I have just attempted a mordschlag or "murder stroke" by trying to use my sword like a polehammer.
http://www.sydcomebak.com\misc\armoured_demo/armoured_01.jpg

Here Jesse takes advantage of my visor not being locked....
http://www.sydcomebak.com\misc\armoured_demo/armoured_02.jpg

And now Jesse gets to go for a ride after I put him in a shoulder lock with my sword.
http://www.sydcomebak.com\misc\armoured_demo/armoured_03.jpg

[django]

im a 10th degree black master of wang chung!?!?ton-gaaah!!! just kidding that looks pretty sweet i was wondering how you feel about fencing. me i hate the **** its like the guy who brings the gun to a knife fight but i was also wondering if your club has some sort of big hammer or other weapons that you have classes for.

[Sydcomebak]

i was wondering how you feel about fencing. me i hate the **** its like the guy who brings the gun to a knife fight

Um, I'm not exactly sure what you mean... You hate fencing because it gives you too much of an advantage over your opponent for some reason...

but i was also wondering if your club has some sort of big hammer or other weapons that you have classes for.

We don't teach it, but we do research it.

Here's a pic of Jesse and Nicole going at it with the polehammers at the same demonstration:
http://www.sydcomebak.com/misc/armoured_demo/armoured_04.jpg

[Agent Minivann]

I like martial arts, but I haven't really been able to truly study any. I'm starting to get into Tai Chi (learning by DVD isn't ideal, but it's something), but it isn't as easy to see the self defense applications.

[Rodriquez]

what ye mean ye havent taken up Krav yet?

[K/H_Addict]

i know you know, SYD, but for the rest of you that dont know me, i am a black belt (testing for first degree late summer hopefully :pray: ). My class isnt that intense, just 45 minutes a week, unless i go in early to help teach, which i need to do more often. I also need to learn the form Koryo before i can test. One of the kids in my class is a first degree, and know all of teh stuff he needs to up to his rank, working on second degree stuff, as well as practicing Bo Staff. I have pics of me at my black belt testing, but they really sick, and i dotn have access to them right now...

[django]

i was wondering how you feel about fencing. me i hate the **** its like the guy who brings the gun to a knife fight

Um, I'm not exactly sure what you mean... You hate fencing because it gives you too much of an advantage over your opponent for some reason...

but i was also wondering if your club has some sort of big hammer or other weapons that you have classes for.

We don't teach it, but we do research it.

Here's a pic of Jesse and Nicole going at it with the polehammers at the same demonstration:
http://www.sydcomebak.com/misc/armoured_demo/armoured_04.jpg

i mean thers is no clashing of the swords, full body contact, shields. its like sucker punching no respect im gonna kill you as far away as possible i just hate it.

thats what im talking about with the poll hammers large weapons other than swords thats cool blunt trauma anyway do you have to make your armor and costume or can i just pick up the stuff from a costume shop.

[Sydcomebak]

I also need to learn the form Koryo before i can test.

Koryo can be difficult, not because it's all that tough, but because it's LONG. Just be happy you don't have to do Taebaek yet...


i mean thers is no clashing of the swords, full body contact, shields. its like sucker punching no respect im gonna kill you as far away as possible i just hate it. thats what im talking about with the poll hammers large weapons other than swords thats cool blunt trauma

No offense, but you've never seen a knife fight before have you? It's all about circling and slashing at range until someone closes in and someone gets stabbed. You cut at their knife hand and face repeatedly and try to stay at maximum range.

anyway do you have to make your armor and costume or can i just pick up the stuff from a costume shop.

I had it made for me. Some I made myself.

[bushi96]

I have been out of active martial arts for a few years now. Have studied an "eclectic" style before, along with some Hapkido and Karate. Back in the day we were some of the original shoot fighters. Our stand up fighting consisted of boxing and Muay Thai with more grappling. Our ground fighting consisted of mainly Brazilian Jujitsu with the assumption that a knife was involved. Our weapons training focused mainly on Philipino stick fighting. It was an awesome system that took the best of all of these and applied it to your situation at the time. I was a bouncer in a biker bar at the time. Needless to say, the skills learned were used and effective in real life.

Most importantly we took the lessons and applied them to non-fighting situations and taught life skills. Unfortunately, I moved away and have not found a school to call home since. I continue to bounce around and train from place to place when I get the chance.

[bushi96]

And for anybody who keeps up on this- How about the Royce Gracie/Matt Hughes fight coming up. Oh man, I giggle like a little school girl just thinking about it. Gracie has GOT to send Matt Hughes packing.

[Sydcomebak]

HKD was one of my Eastern arts I studied for a while. BJJ is in my future for sure. FMA (stick) is always applicable to other arts.

I wasn't so much a bouncer but a "doorman" at the local bar for a time. There were times where I performed the duties of the former though.

With a handle like "Bushi" I thought you might post here. =)

And for anybody who keeps up on this- How about the Royce Gracie/Matt Hughes fight coming up. Oh man, I giggle like a little school girl just thinking about it. Gracie has GOT to send Matt Hughes packing.

I'll ask Carlson Jr. =)

Seriously? Hughes in the 2nd round.

[django]

I also need to learn the form Koryo before i can test.

Koryo can be difficult, not because it's all that tough, but because it's LONG. Just be happy you don't have to do Taebaek yet...


i mean thers is no clashing of the swords, full body contact, shields. its like sucker punching no respect im gonna kill you as far away as possible i just hate it. thats what im talking about with the poll hammers large weapons other than swords thats cool blunt trauma

No offense, but you've never seen a knife fight before have you? It's all about circling and slashing at range until someone closes in and someone gets stabbed. You cut at their knife hand and face repeatedly and try to stay at maximum range.

anyway do you have to make your armor and costume or can i just pick up the stuff from a costume shop.

I had it made for me. Some I made myself.

i know people do not run right up to one another and take turns stabbing each other but a knife fight is not fencing there is a respectable distance.

[Satyr]

Ok I’ll bite.

Épée is akin to physical chess. Hit without getting hit. Watching your oppent, testing his defenses, allways watching, reading his moves, understanding his motives, getting into his head, and then when he opens his defesnes when and where you know he will, thrust and hit! And don’t forget to defend yourself in the process.

Yeah, now if I were only that skilled.

Bushi96 you might be interested in this factoid … Bruce Lee borrowed extensively from Spanish and French fencing masters for his own martial arts style (along with boxing and philosophy) … and I wouldn’t be surprised if he had some Miyamoto Musashi in the mix. He transposed the science of blade work for his arm. Stop-hits, ripostes, and counterstrikes.

[Sydcomebak]

Ok I’ll bite.

Épée is akin to physical chess. Hit without getting hit. Watching your oppent, testing his defenses, allways watching, reading his moves, understanding his motives, getting into his head, and then when he opens his defesnes when and where you know he will, thrust and hit! And don’t forget to defend yourself in the process.

Yeah, now if I were only that skilled.

It's supposed to be! =P

Now-a-days epee matches look like jousting. 2 people lunging at each other and hitting, then both look at the scoring lights to see who hit the other person a 1/100th of a second earlier. That's not physical chess, it's dueling flamethrowers.

[Satyr]

The instructor I’m learning from is very old school. The roots of fencing is dueling, and he often reminds us of the point of our blade. I’m working up to rapier and dagger / cloak … not sure I’m fit enough to don a hauberk and have at it with long swords.

Those hammers look fun, but I think I’d want plate armor against one.

[SyvarrisX]

MY brother is a 2nd degree blue belt or something like that in Tae Kwon Do. He will probably posts pictures if he ever finds this thread.

[stay_golden_PONYBOY]

Not into martial arts but...
"I shot a man in Reno just to watch him die"
-Johnny Cash-

[bushi96]

Hughes in the 2nd....mmmmm. I just cant see it. Something that people often forget is that Royce can take a beating. He can stand toe to toe with an aggressive fighter and not be knocked out. Matt Hughes likes to ground fight and I dont think he has enough time to beat Royce into giving up. That would take 2+ hours and the UFC isnt that long (Pride fighting is). I cant vouch for this recently, but I am sure that the Gracies have adjusted to match the new breed of ground and pounders. I'll have to say Gracie by submission.

Man, I hate to take about martial arts- its just like religion and politics. But I'll comment on Bruce Lee and fencing anyway <grin>. IMHO I think Jeet June Do would have eventually evolved into the first shoot fighting system, had Bruce Lee survived. He had always been interested in Greco-Roman wrestling and boxing. And lets not kid ourselves, he had a rough upbringing and knew the importance of using practical attacks.

Fencing is what made the Filipino arts so deadly. Being colonized by Spain, they learned Spanish fencing and adapted that to their stick fighting. With the lateral footwork of fencing combined with the attack angles of their stick fighting- WOW. And what better weapon than a stick! I mean, you can find them everywhere- just laying around! LOL- Ever seen someone left bruised, bloodied, and confused from getting beat up with a rolled-up magazine. Awesome stuff.

[Agent Minivann]

Ok I’ll bite.

Épée is akin to physical chess. Hit without getting hit. Watching your oppent, testing his defenses, allways watching, reading his moves, understanding his motives, getting into his head, and then when he opens his defesnes when and where you know he will, thrust and hit! And don’t forget to defend yourself in the process.

Yeah, now if I were only that skilled.

It's supposed to be! =P

Now-a-days epee matches look like jousting. 2 people lunging at each other and hitting, then both look at the scoring lights to see who hit the other person a 1/100th of a second earlier. That's not physical chess, it's dueling flamethrowers.

That description makes me think of two drag racers lined up for a head on collision and awarding the win to the guy with the fastest reaction time hitting the gas. Kind of pointless.

[gibberish_47]

I'm a Brown belt in ATA Taedwondo. Testing is in about a week, so if I pass I'll move onto Red belt.

Syv, what's your brother's name on here?

[x523]

I'm SyvarrisXs brother and I'm in teakwondo and a 2nd degree blue belt. I find it quite interesting. I've been in it for about 2 and a half years now. It's really fun.

[SyvarrisX]

X523 as you can see. I have no clue why but that's how it goes. :?: :?: :?: :?

[gibberish_47]

I'm SyvarrisXs brother and I'm in teakwondo and a 2nd degree blue belt. I find it quite interesting. I've been in it for about 2 and a half years now. It's really fun.

So what do you mean by second degree, you have two stripes on your belt?

[K/H_Addict]

I'm SyvarrisXs brother and I'm in teakwondo and a 2nd degree blue belt. I find it quite interesting. I've been in it for about 2 and a half years now. It's really fun.


how many degrees must you earn before advancing to the next level (red, if im not mistaken)?

[SyvarrisX]

Well, a normal blue belt is completley blue and a 2nd degree blue belt has a red stripe goind all around the belt. Like this
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e179/Syvarris8/Untitled-1.jpg
On the black belt... I don't know how different degrees are signified. A 2nd degree yellow or green, is yellow or green except with a stripe like the one shown above except black. I got to a high yellow, but I was getting bored with it.

[gibberish_47]

Well, a normal blue belt is completley blue and a 2nd degree blue belt has a red stripe goind all around the belt. Like this
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e179/Syvarris8/Untitled-1.jpg
On the black belt... I don't know how different degrees are signified. A 2nd degree yellow or green, is yellow or green except with a stripe like the one shown above except black. I got to a high yellow, but I was getting bored with it.

Hmm, what form of Taekwondo is he in? We don't do that in my Taekwondo club.

[SyvarrisX]

I really have no clue. He mightknow but I doubt it.

[x523]

Westsound Teakwondo.

[CupidsArt]

I would love to be able to get into Swordplay but there aren't anyplaces around here like that. I started off a few years ago in jujistu and made it no farther than Nidan, 2nd Degree. I quit because it felt a bit off for me, the atemi was kinda cool but I really didn't like not having something to swing around. Besides, if I was ever to have seen combat where jujistu was neseccary, I would have just been fodder for the battle field anyway, :)

[x523]

yah. I really want to do sword play to.

[SyvarrisX]

I think he means the type of Tae kwon do, not the place.

[x523]

Oh.

[Sydcomebak]

I would love to be able to get into Swordplay but there aren't anyplaces around here like that. I started off a few years ago in jujistu and made it no farther than Nidan, 2nd Degree. I quit because it felt a bit off for me, the atemi was kinda cool but I really didn't like not having something to swing around. Besides, if I was ever to have seen combat where jujistu was neseccary, I would have just been fodder for the battle field anyway, :)

Where is "around here"? I know ppl all over.

I just got something exciting yesterday. My Expert Knife Test was video taped and put on DVD. I got a copy yesterday. I'll see if I can make & post clips.

[django]

Sonny Chiba is my hero.

[CupidsArt]

I would love to be able to get into Swordplay but there aren't anyplaces around here like that. I started off a few years ago in jujistu and made it no farther than Nidan, 2nd Degree. I quit because it felt a bit off for me, the atemi was kinda cool but I really didn't like not having something to swing around. Besides, if I was ever to have seen combat where jujistu was neseccary, I would have just been fodder for the battle field anyway, :)

Where is "around here"? I know ppl all over.

I just got something exciting yesterday. My Expert Knife Test was video taped and put on DVD. I got a copy yesterday. I'll see if I can make & post clips.

Southwest Ohio about an hour away from Columbus, Cinci and Dayton. If you have a contact that would be great I'd love to learn more.

[Sydcomebak]

Where is "around here"? I know ppl all over.
Southwest Ohio about an hour away from Columbus, Cinci and Dayton. If you have a contact that would be great I'd love to learn more.

Here's a link (http://forums.swordforum.com/search.php?s=&action=showresults&searchid=1165554&sortby=lastpost&sortorder=descending) to a bunch of threads on the Sword Forum International. I don't know if you will have to join to read them, but It doesn't cost anything, and people would be able to contact you if you see any groups you like.

If that link expires, click on http://forums.swordforum.com/search.php?s= and put in "ohio" as your keyword. The forum you want to search (in the drop-down menu) is called "Practice Partner Finder." It's near the bottom of the list.

[ultradoug]

I can totaly do this pointless spin kick:

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f348/coolmondoug/spinkick.jpg

Looks cool when I'm in the air huh?

[Sydcomebak]

That kick can totally be described as "Epic."

[SyvarrisX]

This might be the start of a new epic...

[ultradoug]

not really but I'm injoying how meny times we are saying epic now.

[Nooblar]

Hmm, what form of Taekwondo is he in? We don't do that in my Taekwondo club.

Gib and I are in ATA Taekwondo. I see he beat me to the topic :D but yeah, it's tons'o'fun. I just wish rural MN had someplace to take Brazillian Jujitsu :?

Anyway, brown belt (red as of next week--very confident). Been in the program since Fall 04, and I'm excited about reaching blackbelt level and the weapons forms. I'm planning to take the staff as my testing form and the commas and "nunchucks" for fun :)

[Sydcomebak]

Going back to what knife fighting looks like...

http://www.sydcomebak.com/misc/sfc_test/knife_test.swf

This is a clip from my expert knife exam. I'm facing Jim, who is one of the best knife guys I've ever faced. Notice how there's a lot going on but at a wide distance before I get in the fatal stab.

((Sorry about the cameraman sneezing in the background))

[django]

I can totaly do this pointless spin kick:

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f348/coolmondoug/spinkick.jpg

Looks cool when I'm in the air huh?


that spin kick is the AWSOME !!!! i dam near $hit my pants laughing so hard .but what would make it even more awesome is if you took the picture yourself. i could see you setting up the tripod set the timer and running into the field all the dirt flying around the sound of gravel flying very napoleon dynamite ill name my 4th son after you.ultra doug.:)

[x523]

I think I've been in teakwondo for about 2 and a half years.

[Nooblar]

I think I've been in teakwondo for about 2 and a half years.

Oh, THAT's why the belts are different ;)

hehe j/k

[Buddy Lee]

Martial arts are fine.

But firearms are much more effective.

I like guns.

(I'm still advocating for the "Official HS Gun Nut" title. Hey, any excuse to promote it.)

Buddy Lee

:johnwoo::screwy:

[Sydcomebak]

Martial arts are fine.

But firearms are much more effective.

When I get out to PA, I plan to get my concealed carry permit for my 9mm. Doesn't mean I'll be doing any less MA.

[gibberish_47]

Martial arts are fine.

But firearms are much more effective.

I like guns.

(I'm still advocating for the "Official HS Gun Nut" title. Hey, any excuse to promote it.)

Buddy Lee

:johnwoo::screwy:

Guns are much more effictive on animals, too. Blasted 15 in the last two days. :johnwoo2:

[Buddy Lee]

Guns are much more effictive on animals, too. Blasted 15 in the last two days. :johnwoo2:

I agree.

Given what's going on down in Florida I don't think I want to try to get an alligator in a Shime Waza.

Buddy Lee

:johnwoo::screwy:

[gibberish_47]

18 animals in 2 days. Good shootin'.

:johnwoo2: :johnwoo2: :johnwoo2: :johnwoo2: :johnwoo2: :johnwoo2:

:johnwoo2: :johnwoo2: :johnwoo2: :johnwoo2: :johnwoo2: :johnwoo2:

:johnwoo2: :johnwoo2: :johnwoo2: :johnwoo2: :johnwoo2: :johnwoo2:

[ultradoug]

I can totaly do this pointless spin kick:

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f348/coolmondoug/spinkick.jpg

Looks cool when I'm in the air huh?


that spin kick is the AWSOME !!!! i dam near $hit my pants laughing so hard .but what would make it even more awesome is if you took the picture yourself. i could see you setting up the tripod set the timer and running into the field all the dirt flying around the sound of gravel flying very napoleon dynamite ill name my 4th son after you.ultra doug.:)

lol thanks...

epic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2f78IGz5ibI

[Mr. Underhill]

Tomiki style aikido and Shinto Seishin Ryu kenjutsu (Japanese samurai sword fighting).

I own a 400+ year old katana (samurai sword) hand forged and folded by Kanetsugu.

It was (presumably) used in WW2 and lost to allied hands.

Has blood stains and slight bone chipping on the blade. Still razor sharp though (have spilled my own precious blood cleaning the thing :oops: )

That's me.


Mr. Underhill

[Mr. Underhill]

... all the dirt flying around the sound of gravel flying very napoleon dynamite...)

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

OMG! I nearly died laughing when I read the Napoleon Dynamite thing. I so love that movie!


Greetings from down under!

Mr. Underhill

[Agent Minivann]

Martial arts are fine.

But firearms are much more effective.

I like guns.

(I'm still advocating for the "Official HS Gun Nut" title. Hey, any excuse to promote it.)

Buddy Lee

:johnwoo::screwy:

Is combining guns and martial arts what they mean when they say gunkata?

[Sydcomebak]

And for anybody who keeps up on this- How about the Royce Gracie/Matt Hughes fight coming up. Oh man, I giggle like a little school girl just thinking about it. Gracie has GOT to send Matt Hughes packing.


I'll ask Carlson Jr. =)

Seriously? Hughes in the 2nd round.

1st round, my bad =)

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

I can totaly do this pointless spin kick:

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f348/coolmondoug/spinkick.jpg

Looks cool when I'm in the air huh?


that spin kick is the AWSOME !!!! i dam near $hit my pants laughing so hard .but what would make it even more awesome is if you took the picture yourself. i could see you setting up the tripod set the timer and running into the field all the dirt flying around the sound of gravel flying very napoleon dynamite ill name my 4th son after you.ultra doug.:)

lol thanks...

epic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2f78IGz5ibI


HELLA FUNNY!

[shakey_snake]

And for anybody who keeps up on this- How about the Royce Gracie/Matt Hughes fight coming up. Oh man, I giggle like a little school girl just thinking about it. Gracie has GOT to send Matt Hughes packing.HaHa.

Martial arts are fine.

But firearms are much more effective.

I like guns.

(I'm still advocating for the "Official HS Gun Nut" title. Hey, any excuse to promote it.)

Buddy Lee

:johnwoo::screwy:Gun Kata (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_Kata)

[gibberish_47]

UD, do you have and EPIC video of your spin kick? I'd love to see that! :lol:

[capfan]

I just went to a tournament in March. I got a second place trophy in fighting and a fourth place trophy in forms.

[ultradoug]

I want to put my son into karati school is 5 too young? O_O
no idea, not like i can afford it now anyway... sooo whenever I can afford it I'll make him take it i meen have him take it.
maybe take a few classes myself.

[Mr. Underhill]

UD, do you have and EPIC video of your spin kick? I'd love to see that! :lol:

OMFG! :shock:

Watched it. Nearly died laughing. I laughed so hard, tears were running down my legs.

Checked out UD's music-videos (?) and practically choked on a lung :D

My only complaint is this:

Don't fall for UD's feeble attempts to trick you into believing that he's having a conversation with Taelord. It just isn't true. If you look carefully you can see UD's hand moving the figure. The figure isn't moving by itself, and I have strong suscpicions that UD is engaging in some ventriloquism. I know for a fact that Tae's voice is somewhat higher pitched than Mr. Doug would have you believe.

Don't fall for UD's shenanigans!

Everybody knows - your HS figures only move when you're not watching them ... duh! :o

None-the-less, I take my hat off to you Ultra Doug. Top show, old chap.



Still giggling in Oz.


Mr. Underhill

[Mr. Underhill]

I want to put my son into karati school is 5 too young?

Answer: just watch The Karate Kid for some pointers, then have your son do all the house work ... for FREE!

Vacuum on, vacuum off.

Dishes wash, dishes dry.

Weed da garden, prant da seed.

Okay Daniel-san, show me weed da garden... show me prant da seed. Hai!

Seriously though, I don't know how it is in Texas, but here in Oz there are far too many commercial schools around.

Personally, I studied under a Japanese bonsai gardener (hard to believe, I know). We never had a class of more than 10 at a time (sometimes there were only 2 students). Money was never the motivation.

My sensei made a rule of interviewing students for suitability, and was known to turn some away.



Mr. Underhill

[ultradoug]

UD, do you have and EPIC video of your spin kick? I'd love to see that! :lol:

OMFG! :shock:

Watched it. Nearly died laughing. I laughed so hard, tears were running down my legs.

Checked out UD's music-videos (?) and practically choked on a lung :D

My only complaint is this:

Don't fall for UD's feeble attempts to trick you into believing that he's having a conversation with Taelord. It just isn't true. If you look carefully you can see UD's hand moving the figure. The figure isn't moving by itself, and I have strong suscpicions that UD is engaging in some ventriloquism. I know for a fact that Tae's voice is somewhat higher pitched than Mr. Doug would have you believe.

Don't fall for UD's shenanigans!

Everybody knows - your HS figures only move when you're not watching them ... duh! :o

None-the-less, I take my hat off to you Ultra Doug. Top show, old chap.



Still giggling in Oz.


Mr. Underhill

I don't think I'm in Kanasas anymore Tae-to.

"Woof?"

Ah yes, you only talk in the books, not the movie.

"I don't woof that much?"

Nevermind.

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

I want to put my son into karati school is 5 too young? O_O
no idea, not like i can afford it now anyway... sooo whenever I can afford it I'll make him take it i meen have him take it.
maybe take a few classes myself.

I found it a complete waste of time for my son - now 6. He was very into the class, but I think he enjoyed it because of the 'chain tag' game the class was allowed to play at the end of the session.

The sessions were 1 hour and I think it was too long for that age group to sit and be obedient. Not as much exercise as say, soccer either.

Maybe a different instructor could have made it more relevant to his age group.

[Mr. Underhill]

I want to put my son into karati school is 5 too young?

I suppose the pertinent question(s) might be:

Why?
Why karate?
What does your boy wanna do?
How does your wife/significant-other feel about it?

My kids know I've studied several disciplines, so they naturally want to take up some form, but then they forget about it after a day or so, until the next time they find my stash of weapons :)


Mr. Underhill

[ultradoug]

i nead to give him something to DO , soccor might be good- but that is like typicaly in school or something...
wheres my how to parent handbook.. oh yeah... bane @_@;

[Mr. Underhill]

i nead to give him something to DO , soccor might be good.

Disclaimer: Not professing to be an expert here.

Soccer, baseball, cricket, football, etc are all seasonal. And, they're all sports. Martial arts - IMHO - can end up being a lifestyle, a belief system, a culture. And it lasts all year through.

If you want sports, then go for soccer or some of the main-stream martial arts (karate-do, tae-kwon-do, kendo). This may be the best option for a young child. And, depending on the school/instructor, this may help instil a sense of discipline and social responsibility in young people.

Ask other people and you'll get a multitude of other points of view; my view is but one.

Like I said, I'm not claiming any expertise, but I kinda see where you're coming from: I've got 4 kids and I've dabbled in the martial arts and also considered introducing my kids to the same.


Mr. Underhill

[ultradoug]

yeah he just has alot of engery it neads to be focused, i want him to do some sport and learn self defence.

[Mr. Underhill]

yeah he just has alot of engery it neads to be focused

Hmmmmmm, I wonder where he gets all that energy from :wink:


Mr. Underhill

[skyknight]

Here is something I find a little funny, I used to have friends who were into ishin ryu sp? anyways I use to go to class with them and there sensei would give me free lessons if I sparred with his guys. I know very little martial arts, but what I do know is I am pretty good in a street fight. I used to beat his brown belts almost everytime in points, just because they would do some funny kick thing and I would clock em for it. I even used to win against the black belts at times. My opinion of martial arts is that most people know just enough to get their asses kicked. I believe that here are those people who do know how to use it reflexively and they are dangerous. I would have to say that that is a small percentage. I know as many throws as half those guys from just having agressive friends all through life who love to just wrestle. In the army we used to have platoon wrestling champs. I actually became our unofficial company champ, we would go over to other peoples companies (250 people or so) and my platoon leader would put me up against there best brawlers. Again I have had no wrestling experience and I almost pinned a state champion. Almost is the key word. I guess my point is that sometimes I wonder if just natural skill and good balance will overcome moderate discipline. It seems to go this way for me.

[Mr. Underhill]

I'm inclined to agree with Skyknight here.

One of the major pitfalls of structured martial arts training is the false sense of security or confidence that it creates.

When you pull back the veils of the dojo, and get beyond the punching, kicking, yelling, blood, sweat and tears... it's a fairly nurturing environment. It's very much a safe place.

At the end of the day, everybody is friends and - for the most part - nobody is out to hurt anyone else.

It doesn't matter what belt you have, or what kyu/dan you're at, when someone gets there first and kicks you in the nads - you're going down - whether you've trained 1 month or 10 years. A seasoned streetfighter will prove a tough opponent, because a person who fights for fighting isn't out to score more points than you. They simply want to kick your backside.

I'm no fighter, so I'm just speculating here... and it's late... so I'm dribbling crap right now.

Back to the people who know more...



Mr. Underhill
(Pacifist)

[ultradoug]

I'm agenst unstructured events. I oppose boxing on princible, I dont see the "sport" in knocking someone out, however I do see a nead to defend a blow or two, I dont belive any class can teach how to do this all the way, but its a good start.

[Buddy Lee]

I'm inclined to agree with Skyknight here.

One of the major pitfalls of structured martial arts training is the false sense of security or confidence that it creates.

When you pull back the veils of the dojo, and get beyond the punching, kicking, yelling, blood, sweat and tears... it's a fairly nurturing environment. It's very much a safe place.

At the end of the day, everybody is friends and - for the most part - nobody is out to hurt anyone else.

It doesn't matter what belt you have, or what kyu/dan you're at, when someone gets there first and kicks you in the nads - you're going down - whether you've trained 1 month or 10 years. A seasoned streetfighter will prove a tough opponent, because a person who fights for fighting isn't out to score more points than you. They simply want to kick your backside.

I'm no fighter, so I'm just speculating here... and it's late... so I'm dribbling crap right now.

Back to the people who know more...



Mr. Underhill
(Pacifist)

Hence my comments. :D

Buddy Lee

P.S. Just so ya'll don't think I don't know of which I speak I have studied: Karate, Aikido, and self defense in college. I currently study Judo, Ju-jitsu, and even some Krav Maga. I know my skills, and I know how quickly things can turn. I will always avoid the fight if possible (Judo is very good for this philosophy).

But if I have to engage in a confrontation that requires the use of deadly I prefer to just shoot them. Much less risk (for me) and a lot easier on the old body (mine). :wink:

[ultradoug]

Buddy Lee defends agenst ranged attacks on a roll of one defence shild.

[gibberish_47]

Buddy Lee, we know you want the "Gun Nut" title. :wink:

[Mr. Underhill]

... I have studied: Karate, Aikido, and self defense in college ... I will always avoid the fight if possible (Judo is very good for this philosophy).

IMHO aikido is a pretty good form for self defence.

With no offensive maneuvres it's very much the embodiment of self defence. However, I'd not recommend it for children on the basis that the joint techniques - if misused by an immature person - can cause extreme pain and possible damage.

Furthermore, Buddy Lee commented (in jest) earlier on the efficacy of guns in a fight. But a gun without a bullet is almost useless, and a bullet without a gun is almost useless. When your body is a potential weapon you take it everywhere you go. :)

Besides, here in Australia we just don't have the gun culture that is pervasive in the U.S. I suppose we're very similar to Canadians in many ways - just warmer .... and we don't end every sentence with "eh". :P


Ciao!

Mr. Underhill

[player_of_volleyball]

i master in the arts of football. I am a 10th degree WR :thumbsup:

[Venom]

here's UD's martial arts caught on tape fighting a bear

http://www.killsometime.com/Video/video.asp?ID=32

[AbducteeLeader]

Well, for 3 or so years in elementary I used to take Tei Kwon Do, the style I believe was Mu Duk Kwan? But I'm not sure.. I made it all the way up to brown belt, with ideas of continuing but unfortunately I became very ill for a while and had to stop, never got to take it back up.

Now a days I mostly spar with my friends using wiffle ball bats, so much fun. I consider me and my best friend to be fairly decent, though we never took any lessons, we've used what we've seen in games and such to an extent. I remember when facing some of my friends 3 on 1 in a wiffle spar and they were like AHHHH wtf how are you so gosu? So yeah, I guess wiffle sparing is a martial art >.>.

[Mr. Underhill]

Yeah, in China there is Wiffle-shu; Korea it's called Wiffle Kwon Do, and in a remote area of western Okinawa, Japan there are still some die-hard practitioners of Wiffle-jitsu.

Please post some pics or vids of your sparring action. Please!!!! :D



Mr. Underhill

P.S. What sort of uniform do Wiffle practitioners wear? Do have to wear safety gear?

[Venom]

martial arts rule!!!!...unless you're being trained by this guy

http://www.dumpalink.com/media/1111507929/Kung_Fu_Teacher_Beats_Up_Students

[Venom]

found this. Steven Seigel doing some Aikido moves. the music is sweet.

[HyperactiveSloth]

Man, why wasn't I around for this discussion?!? :x :lol:

I trained to be a bodyguard for a couple of years, then decided not to pursue the career (got married), but have still kept the mindset and love for martial arts as well as firearms.
Arts I have tried:

S.C.A.R.S. (some really good techniques involved, but their philosophy sucks, they actually teach that NOTHING can defeat their techniques...which is of course, bull crap!)

Brazilian Ju-Jitsu (what can I say about this that hasn't been said already? it's every bit as devastating as anyone has ever claimed...just not my style, unfortunately. would like to learn a little more some day)

Aikido (i always liked the basis, and the techniques LOOKED promising, but quit after the "free trial" lessons. i was a little put off by the fact that the sensei couldn't even demonstrate the techniques on me. I basically had to pretend i was blind, ignorant, and slow for him to be able to make the moves work on me. it's kind of hard to learn from someone when you feel like you could beat them at their own game. :( maybe I just had a poor sensei...)

Sytema aka Russian Martial Arts (see below for full description)

Krav Maga (these were the best classes i EVER took. awesome philosophy of training and very practical. if i had the time and money again, i'd sign up in a heart beat, the physical fitness gained is worth it alone! and the weapons disarmament techniques are top-notch, too)

I've also "dabbled" in various eastern arts (even ninjitsu), but nothing formally. I enjoy them very much, but they either don't fit me or don't seem real-life-effective. If given the chance I would most like to take RMA (russian martial arts). From all that I've learned so far, I can find no flaw in it, and the "style" suits me perfectly and I could see myself reaching reflex-level proficiency with it. Also, one very appealing thing about it is that it is the only christian based martial art in existence. I actually didn't know that until AFTER I had studied it for a while and decided it was the best for me. Another thing I like about it is the limitlessness of it. At it's base it is an extremely effective practical combat art. At it's highest level, it's akin to Kung-Fu or other "spiritual" arts where you can learn to actually control all aspects of your own body and do things that seem impossible. Any of you that don't know much (or anything) about it, i highly recommend checking it out. As far as purely prectical, street-fighting type arts, my friend (who took all the same arts I did in the past with me, and was my training partner) now practices Senshido. I can say without any hesitation that Senshido is the most powerful street art i've ever seen. I chose not to take it purely because I'm not aggressive enough to fully utilize it instinctually...and the style just doesn't fit me well. Anyone who wants to learn pure devastating power in a fight, Senshido is IT!

Aside from RMA, I would also love to learn Western Swords. I know a little about sword wielding, and have had a few practices with friends I used to know, but other than that have no experience in it. What I do know, and have done, I totally loved! If I could find a Western Swords school in my area i would join in a heartbeat (as soon as I get a job, of course :( )

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

martial arts rule!!!!...unless you're being trained by this guy

http://www.dumpalink.com/media/1111507929/Kung_Fu_Teacher_Beats_Up_Students

Jeez whatta b@st@rd!

[-Zim-]

martial arts rule!!!!...unless you're being trained by this guy

http://www.dumpalink.com/media/1111507929/Kung_Fu_Teacher_Beats_Up_Students

Omg, that guy reminds me of my football coach when I was in 1st grade. Except he didn't kick and make us bleed but he would smack out helmet and punch our pads.

[Venom]

wow!! :shock:

http://www.yikers.com/video_guy_breaks_3_boards_with_a_450_spin_kick.html

[Venom]

this kid can kick your butt

http://www.yikers.com/video_young_kid_is_a_vicious_ufc_style_fighter.html

[django]

martial arts rule!!!!...unless you're being trained by this guy

http://www.dumpalink.com/media/1111507929/Kung_Fu_Teacher_Beats_Up_Students

thats how i taught my little nephew how to play heroscape he loves it now.
oh yeah this my kobudo teacher. quazitoto! http://www.sargeworld.com/kangskorner.html

[Venom]

:shock: .... i'm so proud of you :twisted:

[Venom]

Real Ryu?

http://www.yikers.com/video_the_real_life_ryu.html

i don't know about you guys, but Jet Li kicks major ass

http://www.yikers.com/video_jet_li_at_his_finest.html

[skyknight]

Speakin of all this anybody heard from Syd lately or is he moving?

[Buddy Lee]

Speakin of all this anybody heard from Syd lately or is he moving?

Yes, Syd Come Back.

:wink: :)

Buddy Lee

[skyknight]

ha ha oh frickin ha ha :?


:lol: that was funny actually :lol:

[Buddy Lee]

'Course it was. :D

Where the F*(k have you been? :P :neener:

D@mn flyboys. Never did trust-em. :roll:

Much. :wink:

Buddy Lee :johnwoo:

[K/H_Addict]

so i was coming home from class last night had had som sweet ideas for a martial artist (Grandmaster) custom. see my customs thread (comment too please): http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=1176

[Jormi_Boced]

I wrestled most of my life, but have had the past few years off. I have been thinking of getting into MMA now though. TUF4 starts tonight. I can't wait.

[bushi96]

There is money in MMA now that it has gone public. And wrestlers fare well with minimal training. I would give it some serious thought if you have access to a decent coach...

[K/H_Addict]

Okay. I am about ready to test for first degree black belt, but need to know some stuff:

Koryo. I need to learn the form. It has to look like i'm actually fighting, rather than like i just memorized it, so i need a good description of it. My instructor had this really helpful stick figure illustration he gave us for Il Jang, but i cant find anything like that for koryo.




I need a fancy break. Pretty much anything with 2 or more breaks shoudl work, but i'm not creative enough to come up with my own.


Any help is greatly appreciated!

[HyperactiveSloth]

Define "break"
:?:

[K/H_Addict]

as in someone holds a board up in front of me and i break it with any strike. This break should have 2 or more in it

[HyperactiveSloth]

...as in 2 stacked, 2 in different places at the same time, or 2 in different places one after the other?

(pardon my ignorance) :)

[K/H_Addict]

2 in different places at the same time, and 2 in different places one after the other would suit me. I think 2 in different places one after the other would be easier though...

[HyperactiveSloth]

How about have the boards one in front at shoulder height and one behind you at waist height (approximately)? Break the first one with a right-hand striaght punch (heal palm would probably be easiest), then turn 90* to the left and plant the left foot into a horse stance while bringing your left fist down and across your body breaking the board with the outside of your left fist. They're both pretty simple strikes and breaks, but I've seldom ever seen the outward strike from a horse stance used for a break.

If done well, this combo would demonstrate both fluidity and power. It shows the ability to maintain balance and control without needing to "return" to a starting stance. If you're really good and practice it well both breaks could be done in very quick succession.

Anyway, just an idea. Good luck.

[wisinger]

How about have the boards one in front at shoulder height and one behind you at waist height (approximately)? Break the first one with a right-hand striaght punch (heal palm would probably be easiest), then turn 90* to the left and plant the left foot into a horse stance while bringing your left fist down and across your body breaking the board with the outside of your left fist. They're both pretty simple strikes and breaks, but I've seldom ever seen the outward strike from a horse stance used for a break.

If done well, this combo would demonstrate both fluidity and power. It shows the ability to maintain balance and control without needing to "return" to a starting stance. If you're really good and practice it well both breaks could be done in very quick succession.

Anyway, just an idea. Good luck.

or you could take the palm heal straight ahead, followed with a reverse side kick, to demonstrate agility, as well as fluidity? both are fairly powerful strikes, so you could focus on your stances as well as your transistion and not have to worry to much about putting enough power into the strikes. good luck with your board breaks.

[K/H_Addict]

i was thinkin last night, that if i practiced enough, i could probably get one where i toss the board straight up and nail it with a turning back hook kick or a high roundhouse. I'm thinkin more about the roundhouse, since i would need immense speed for the hook kick cuz no one would be holding it. I also like your idea of the palm heel (love that strike personally) followed by what would be a low-block if i'm picturing it correctly...

[Taelord]

I am a 1st degree black belt in Tae-Kwon-Do and have started to help teach.

[Venom]

ok, i'm barely hearing of this guy, but damn he can kick some serious butt. i wanna learn whatever he is fighting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiANsBkgqjU

[K/H_Addict]

taelord, do you know the form Koryo? Do you know of anywhere i can find nifty illustrations of it so i can learn it for my testing?

[Venom]

old footage of bruce lee. man was he fast

http://www.compfused.com/directlink/979/

[Rhydderch]

taelord, do you know the form Koryo? Do you know of anywhere i can find nifty illustrations of it so i can learn it for my testing?

Well its probably best if you learn Koryo from your instructors. I expect that is what they are there for. Otherwise just do a generic Google search for Tae Kwon Do and Koryo or maybe forms. I've seen text descriptions and videos online before. You can even find the higher forms :P

Oh and like Taelord I'm a 1st Degree Black Belt in TkD :)