freaking vultures

[primal]

guys,
I wanted to expand on somethng that UltraDoug said in the other Sir Hawthorne thread. UD said "Ebay Sucks."
you know what? I don't really think that Ebay sucks, I think that sorry freaking vultures who get a handful of exclusive figures and then sell each one for as much as possible are the ones who really suck.
I don't have any argument with someone who gets an opportunity to buy some from someone and then turn around and sell them, I have a major problem with someone who gets thwem and then bends us all over and loads us up like a shotgun.
look over on EBay for Sir Hawthorne, and you will see several up for as much as possible. EACH AND EVERYONE ONE OF THEM IS SITTING ON THE SAME KEYBOARD. that means that someone got 4, yeah 4 of them and is selling all of them at 50-something bucks apiece. (I realize that it is the same photo 4 times)
come on.
on the forum, guys are willing to trade almost anything for just ONE of these figures and someone got 4, and that makes me sick.
now, where is my freaking air-sickness bag.
later

[K/H_Addict]

you go primal. i hate these damn scalpers. they are the reason i cant find wave 4 here, and the reason i probably wont see castles/wave 5 here until like feb. Thats where sandra comes in, or trading with others. I have already began considering a trade for a castle set today, but that all depends on how hard it will be to find wave 4.

[primal]

dude,
I hate that you can't complete your collection, thats sucks.
I have ordered things from Sandra and gotten excellent service, HouseMouse rocks no doubt.
my fight is with the guys who do what we are talking about.
I can get wave 4 from sandra, I can get wave 5 (I pre-ordered) but where in the heck are we going to get Hawthorne? I didn't get to go to Gencon. someone who wants to suck the freaking dollars out of my wallet like an Oreck xl vacuum did and I am going to have to take it like a prison-girl to get Hawthorne.
do I have a right to get angry? heck yes I do, and so do you.
if you can't find any wave 4, PM me, I will check around up here for you. that is what a community is, we help one another.

[chaddyboy_2000]

Of course, selling all these figures wouldn't be so attractive if people would stop paying so much for them. It's supply and demand. The buyers are just as at fault for this problem as the sellers.

[K/H_Addict]

i know if i had 4 i would keep one for my self, put two up for tarde here or use them as a prize for something and sell one on ebay, just for the money so i can go get a castle set. But hey, people will be people. Not everyone thinks of other people first. It's all about the money.

[primal]

you are absolutely right.
think about that. that guy is going to sit around with 4 Hawthornes until someone pays for him.
I guess being Obsessive-Compulsive makes me a bad consumer.
although you have a great point, 2 wrongs aren't going to make a right no matter how you spin it. 4 exclusives that the rest of us don't get equals big bucks.

[hex706f726368]

You shouldn't hate on the people who are selling their assets. The public/you is putting a higher value on the item than the seller. So why not sell in that position? Why take less $$, it's kinda un-American (capitalism...hello).

Who you should really be hating on here is Hasbro for creating the situation, imo.

[primal]

I will be completely and totally honest with you.
I would get as many of those as I could for my friends.
now, maybe that isn't "american" or whatever.
I would get one for whoever asked me to get one, and screw selling them, that just isn't right. if I went there and had to give 5 bucks for it, I would let my friend have it for 5 bucks so we all break even or whatever.
community.
I might seem like I am, but I am not an whining A-hole.
just doesn't seem right to me.

[reapersaurus]

Of course, selling all these figures wouldn't be so attractive if people would stop paying so much for them. It's supply and demand. The buyers are just as at fault for this problem as the sellers.quoted for truth.

It is the obsessive buyers that are causing this situation. Mark this down, because it means a LOT for me to defend scalpers, but people simply have NO self-control when it comes to games today. :headshake:

I'll tell you this, straight-up - if I was @ Gencon, and got a Sir Hawthorne, I'd put him up on EBay so fast to cash in on that REAL MONEY. That's ME saying this.
The amounts of money are just too absurd. I can pick up the figure later for cheaper, and if I can't, whoop-de-do. I'm not gonna be playing him competetively, so if it's playing for fun I can just use the knight fig and *gasp* imagine he's Hawthorne and use Hawthorne's card.

It is not a very good figure, IMO. I don;t get the love for it. It's much worse of sculpt than Nerak, flat out. It has much worse abilities than Nerak (HS effectiveness-wise), with a huge disadvantage that shouldn't even be there for its cost.
In other words, on his own, he's barely worth 90 points even without the disadvantage. With the disadvantage, he should be less than 90 to bother. I think the problem is - they compared Sir Hawthorne's point cost to an inherently badly-costed figure - Sir Denrick.

Bad bad move, Hasbro. I can see how they made that mistake (someone thinking Denrick is properly costed) but he isn't. Making 2nd generation point costs is a bad idea (denrick costed from MS units, something else costed from him).

[primal]

like I said,
it just pisses me off. maybe I am stupid, maybe I am missing the boat.
I guess I look at things the wrong way, I would like for everyone to get one. obviously we all can't. so I suppose that guys who want to have a complete official collection and are willing to pay are just out of thier minds.
no earthly way am I going to pay 50 bucks for a figure, no way, no shape, no form. I will do like you said, reaper. just wait for a while, and see what happens.
if you had asked me, I would have gotten you one too.
(not that I got one, I wasn't even there.)
community.

[primal]

I got my Nerak for free from InfinityMax when I had hardly been at the HQ very long at all. That's just the kind of amazing people we have in this community.
well said, HJ.

[jaques]

guys,
I wanted to expand on somethng that UltraDoug said in the other Sir Hawthorne thread. UD said "Ebay Sucks."
you know what? I don't really think that Ebay sucks, I think that sorry freaking vultures who get a handful of exclusive figures and then sell each one for as much as possible are the ones who really suck.
I don't have any argument with someone who gets an opportunity to buy some from someone and then turn around and sell them, I have a major problem with someone who gets thwem and then bends us all over and loads us up like a shotgun.
look over on EBay for Sir Hawthorne, and you will see several up for as much as possible. EACH AND EVERYONE ONE OF THEM IS SITTING ON THE SAME KEYBOARD. that means that someone got 4, yeah 4 of them and is selling all of them at 50-something bucks apiece. (I realize that it is the same photo 4 times)
come on.
on the forum, guys are willing to trade almost anything for just ONE of these figures and someone got 4, and that makes me sick.
now, where is my freaking air-sickness bag.
later

I'll be the first to admit that this guy is probably a greedy jerk -- but the fact of the matter is, he's offering you a great deal.

This is a Gencon exclusive figure. If you really want it, you should, like, go to Gencon. Getting it for $50 is a steal, compared to what the air fare, hotel, and entry fee would cost you, right?

Don't get me wrong -- I'm starving for a Sir Hawthorne. SH kicks ass. I'd probably pay $10 in a hearbeat for Sir Hawthorne, even though that's what a whole blister-pack of Wave 5 is going to cost me.

But if I snapped up a Sir Hawthorne for $10 bucks because this e-bay guy had a reasonable price, that means that somebody else who is desperate enough to pay $50 wouldn't get a figure.

If you want to be mad at somebody, be mad at Hasbro for making convention exclusives. After that, be mad at the economic law of supply and demand. After that, be mad at the guys who have the money and the gotta-have-it-fever to pay $50 for Sir Hawthorne. The e-bay guy ought to be last on the list, as far as I can see.

On the other hand, if you just like getting mad at people, I guess now you've got me to get mad at too.
:)
[And no, I'm not one of those e-bay sellers. I've got four kids, and if I had four Sir Hawthornes, they'd probably kill me if I didn't fork them over.]

[hex706f726368]

I will be completely and totally honest with you.
I would get as many of those as I could for my friends.
now, maybe that isn't "american" or whatever.
I would get one for whoever asked me to get one, and screw selling them, that just isn't right. if I went there and had to give 5 bucks for it, I would let my friend have it for 5 bucks so we all break even or whatever.
community.
I might seem like I am, but I am not an whining A-hole.
just doesn't seem right to me.

I didn't mean to suggest giving one to a friend or hooking them up on the cheap is un-american. Just looking at this from a buyer/seller scenario, it makes no sense to me for the seller to undercut the value the buyer puts on the product.

Reaper is dead on when he says he'd scalp now and re-buy later. Very good advice for anyone who picks one up.

And for the record, I don't think you're a whining a$$hole. I just think your anger is misdirected. Hasbro created this scenario.

[dra(gon)]

hasbro seems smart a black knight ..... a castle...so kids will buy a castel for their free knight.

in other way why should hasbro promote hs so, nerak ok he was a give away "for what game" "hs what is this show me"


but to day every one know hs and every fool who buy hs buy castel.

i hate this money making
on ebay, i like that send 6 stickes to get an exclusiv figure, that was for fans :!: not that crasy give away to everyone and most of them will make some extra money.

[0rbital]

Honestly if I was at Gencon and got one I would have painted a knight to match for myself and put it up on Ebay. 2 Castle sets at least in value for 1 repainted promo figure? It's not the seller's fault there's demand and people wanting to pay that much.

I recently did the same thing with EOV sets. Yeah I found 4 EOVs at a Walmart, I also had to pull them off the shelves, find an employee, get them to clearance them right then to $20 (instead of waiting a week) so I could buy them. I could have left some for people but why? I drove over there and found them. I sold two of them plus the two extra EOVs and made $130. I put them up for what I paid for them as a start. Fair in my book and I don't feel bad about it. I got 2 EOV Master sets for free and with the extra money I made I basically got RV for free and a TT for $13. [/list]

[K/H_Addict]

no, the first person you shoul dbe mad at is the guy on ebay. how did he manage to get 4 in the first place? Thats 3 people that missed it? IIRC someone said that you are only allowed 1 per badge/nametag thing. Does this guy have 4 aliases? I don't mind the fact that they are convention exclusives, but they should have a better process of handing them out.

[primal]

alright.
this is the last I have to say, and then I will just watch and see whomever else wants to tell me how wrong I am.
I am not mad.
I am not mad at that guy.
I am not mad at Hasbro.
I think it sucks that people would do that to others because they are willing to pay out of thier butt for that figure.
say whatever you want to, I don't care.
I would get it for whoever wanted one, and make sure I would get one for myself. thats all. I wouldn't get 48 of them so I could become the next freaking H. Ross Perot on Ebay.
I don't really give a crap about the money either. I want to play Heroscape and have fun. I want you all to get Hawthorne and have fun.
since when did that become so freaking bad?

[markwars]

Let's see....do I want the entire Wave 5 selection of boosters or do I want one repainted knight figure for my money?

It's an easy choice when the BIN prices for Hawthorne match Sandra's price for Wave 5.

I don't hate anyone for this.

Hasbro is throwing a bone to the folks at GenCon to promote their game. If we want HeroScape to grow and thrive getting the general GenCon crowd into the game can only help. Hasbro is in business to make money. Promoting their product helps them make money. How can anyone fault them for that?

[hex706f726368]

Hasbro is throwing a bone to the folks at GenCon to promote their game. If we want HeroScape to grow and thrive getting the general GenCon crowd into the game can only help.

I can think of a better way to do this:

Give away existing individual hero figures from Wave 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5. Non-players get a free figure still, and your existing fan base isn't getting riled up.

/slightly bitter at hasbro :x

[markwars]

Hasbro is throwing a bone to the folks at GenCon to promote their game. If we want HeroScape to grow and thrive getting the general GenCon crowd into the game can only help.

I can think of a better way to do this:

Give away existing individual hero figures from Wave 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5. Non-players get a free figure still, and your existing fan base isn't getting riled up.

/slightly bitter at hasbro :x

You're right. That would be a better way to keep fans happy, but I think the concert T-Shirt analogy that GB used is fair too.

[hex706f726368]

What thread is that in? I haven't read that.

[markwars]

I couldn't tell you. It was one of the numerous threads with disgruntled fans discussing con exclusives.

GB basically said that a con exclusive was like a concert T-Shirt. If you went to the gig you could get a shirt not sold in stores. He viewed the Nerak figure the same way.

What people do have to realize though is that there are two types of people here. Those that have played blind booster games and those that haven't. Those that have (like GB) have given up on having every figure long ago and could genuinely care less if they have the figure or not. Those that haven't really have to grapple with this.

In the DFW gaming group you have different types of gamers. You have the GB and IMax types that play 90% of their games with custom units and proxies. They don't give a flip about the figures...they basically think inside the cards and the figures are just gravy. You also have the folks like me that play only Heroscape (no other minis lines) and because of obsessive/compulsive behavior feel the need to get everything in the line and generally don't play with any customs or proxies.

I know that I will get this figure. How? I'm not sure yet, but eventually I will get one. Why? Because it will bug me if I don't. But I just don't expect Hasbro to worry about getting me one. If they did it would be nice, but if not then no big deal.

[hex706f726368]

Thanks for the summary, I think I remember that t-shirt argument now.

I'm more similar to your approach. I only play HS. My primary reason, it wasn't blind purchases and I am slightly OCD about getting all the figures. Like you, I'm pretty confident I'll end up with this figure. I've managed to get my grubby hands on everything else so I don't see why this'll be different. Still doesn't keep me from getting my feathers all ruffled up though.

[markwars]

It's understandable. I guess I've had to swallow it because most of the DFW guys would tell me to shut up if I complained about it too much. :P

[reapersaurus]

That's funny - I just saw a Aerosmith Tour t-shirt supposedly from 1978 on a girl that had a cut that wasn't around in 1978.

It means that people are making and selling (and morons are buying) concert t-shirts that are knockoffs of vintage tour t-shirts.

I always thought like GB's analogy : that tour t-shirts were only available during that tour.
Looks like the horrendous greed of entreprenours, coupled with the cluelessness of people willing to buy a bogus tour t-shirt (as if anyone would believe a 15 year old was at a 1978 Aerosmith concert), even makes GB's analogy outdated. :lol: :cry:

[Kobu]

You're right. That would be a better way to keep fans happy, but I think the concert T-Shirt analogy that GB used is fair too.

T-shirt is to music concert as game piece is to game.
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Definitely a flawed analogy.

More correct would be a concert where they gave away a CD with an exclusive song (not perfect either since songs are easier to duplicate and distribute...). You can bet fans who couldn't go would be a little ticked that they couldn't hear their favorite band's song because they couldn't attend one particular concert.

[Blue Dane]

I couldn't tell you. It was one of the numerous threads with disgruntled fans discussing con exclusives.

GB basically said that a con exclusive was like a concert T-Shirt. If you went to the gig you could get a shirt not sold in stores. He viewed the Nerak figure the same way.

What people do have to realize though is that there are two types of people here. Those that have played blind booster games and those that haven't. Those that have (like GB) have given up on having every figure long ago and could genuinely care less if they have the figure or not. Those that haven't really have to grapple with this.

In the DFW gaming group you have different types of gamers. You have the GB and IMax types that play 90% of their games with custom units and proxies. They don't give a flip about the figures...they basically think inside the cards and the figures are just gravy. You also have the folks like me that play only Heroscape (no other minis lines) and because of obsessive/compulsive behavior feel the need to get everything in the line and generally don't play with any customs or proxies.

I know that I will get this figure. How? I'm not sure yet, but eventually I will get one. Why? Because it will bug me if I don't. But I just don't expect Hasbro to worry about getting me one. If they did it would be nice, but if not then no big deal.

I guess I'm one of those obsessive-compulsive guys that has to have everything in the line because I just broke down and bought him on e-bay.

[brokeasajoke]

T-shirt is to music concert as game piece is to game.
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Definitely a flawed analogy.

More correct would be a concert where they gave away a CD with an exclusive song (not perfect either since songs are easier to duplicate and distribute...). You can bet fans who couldn't go would be a little ticked that they couldn't hear their favorite band's song because they couldn't attend one particular concert.

I don't see how this piece is difficult to copy. It is a pretty simple thing to print out the card & to repaint a Knight of Weston.

But yeah, these limited release minis are annoying. I also find the whole expansion hunt nonsense annoying as well. Learning how to not have everything is definitely the only way to go...

[thehandofzarquon]

T-shirt is to music concert as game piece is to game.
.
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Definitely a flawed analogy.

More correct would be a concert where they gave away a CD with an exclusive song (not perfect either since songs are easier to duplicate and distribute...). You can bet fans who couldn't go would be a little ticked that they couldn't hear their favorite band's song because they couldn't attend one particular concert.

I don't see how this piece is difficult to copy. It is a pretty simple thing to print out the card & to repaint a Knight of Weston.

But yeah, these limited release minis are annoying. I also find the whole expansion hunt nonsense annoying as well. Learning how to not have everything is definitely the only way to go...

The real problem with this exclusive is that he is a repaint of a single Knight of Weston. What are people going to do with the other three when they repaint one to look like him? More to point... what are people who don't use customs going to do with them :P

[jaques]

alright.
this is the last I have to say, and then I will just watch and see whomever else wants to tell me how wrong I am.
I am not mad.
I am not mad at that guy.
I am not mad at Hasbro.
I think it sucks that people would do that to others because they are willing to pay out of thier butt for that figure.
say whatever you want to, I don't care.
I would get it for whoever wanted one, and make sure I would get one for myself. thats all. I wouldn't get 48 of them so I could become the next freaking H. Ross Perot on Ebay.
I don't really give a crap about the money either. I want to play Heroscape and have fun. I want you all to get Hawthorne and have fun.
since when did that become so freaking bad?

Sorry if my post came across as ragging on you. :oops:

The last thing I intended was to make you feel like I was attacking your viewpoint. What I really wanted was just to show that it's not anything that's that big a deal, or that merits getting really upset about. But reading back on it, I can see how I came across more negatively than I meant to.

I have a lot of sympathy for your original post -- I should have made that more clear.

[jaques]

no, the first person you shoul dbe mad at is the guy on ebay. how did he manage to get 4 in the first place? Thats 3 people that missed it? IIRC someone said that you are only allowed 1 per badge/nametag thing. Does this guy have 4 aliases? I don't mind the fact that they are convention exclusives, but they should have a better process of handing them out.

But the fact of the matter is, we don't even know that. The e-bay listing could have been put there by some minimum-wage grunt who works in a a Hasbro warehouse, whose kid has a brain tumor and needs surgery, so his supervisor said, "Here, dude, take a big handful of these things -- you can sell them for a ton on e-bay. Maybe that will help."

Yeah, it's an implausible scenario for a number of reasons, but why do we always have to assume the worst in these cases?

[markwars]

I just assumed that it was Warhammer fan who needs help financing his addiction. Prove that I'm wrong. :P

[reapersaurus]

Yeah, it's an implausible scenario for a number of reasons, but why do we always have to assume the worst in these cases?Occam's Razor, man.

Occam's Razor. :lol:

In the abscene of any other information, the simplest explanation is the most likely.

BTW - Habro is already behind the 8 ball and failing HS fansd on this exclusive unit, since they don't have it published on the website, in high quality, like they had Nerak.

That makes it so that any HS fan could print out the exclusive and substitute any fig they want (even a Knight with a little Evil goatee painted in ;) ) and play with it in their game.

It seems like in many ways, Hasbro is stepping backwards in their approach and support of HS. :headshake:

[geddy lifeson]

I couldn't tell you. It was one of the numerous threads with disgruntled fans discussing con exclusives.

GB basically said that a con exclusive was like a concert T-Shirt. If you went to the gig you could get a shirt not sold in stores. He viewed the Nerak figure the same way.

What people do have to realize though is that there are two types of people here. Those that have played blind booster games and those that haven't. Those that have (like GB) have given up on having every figure long ago and could genuinely care less if they have the figure or not. Those that haven't really have to grapple with this.

In the DFW gaming group you have different types of gamers. You have the GB and IMax types that play 90% of their games with custom units and proxies. They don't give a flip about the figures...they basically think inside the cards and the figures are just gravy. You also have the folks like me that play only Heroscape (no other minis lines) and because of obsessive/compulsive behavior feel the need to get everything in the line and generally don't play with any customs or proxies.

I know that I will get this figure. How? I'm not sure yet, but eventually I will get one. Why? Because it will bug me if I don't. But I just don't expect Hasbro to worry about getting me one. If they did it would be nice, but if not then no big deal.

I also only play HS and have the same tendencies to want to have everything and yes I could paint a Knight and print a card but its not the same. I would not pay that kind of price ($50+) from EBay.

I see nothing wrong with those who have them and sell them for that price, because it is people like us who drive the price up. If some crazed fanatic wouldn't keep bidding it would go for less and in time when the hype is over it will go down.

What I disagree on is the concert shirt analogy. With the concert shirt, someone could buy many and simply give them to those unfortunate to attend, all for the simple price of said shirt. Exclusives are nothing like this. Funrun, nd, gbob or anyone else can't simply buy a Hawthorne or ask for an extra one for that unfortunate soul who could not attend.

And I'm sorry reaper, but if I could get my hands on some of the old Rush shirts (jerseys actually) from the old tours I would buy them and wear them proud. It doesn't matter that I didn't attend the show regardless if I was old enough to go or not. I wouldn't lie and say I was there.

I guess by your reasoning I shouldn't own the Bears Central Division Champ shirt I am wearing now since I didn't get to go to any of the games they won to achieve the Championship?

Like I said before for a game that isn't supposed to be collectible sure seems a lot like it from Hasbro...exclusives, lack of availability, etc... Why not just keep up the trend and never update the webpage and institute blind purchases. Make it even more of a surprise of what is available or not available.

All Heroscape figures should be available to everyone by purchase or mail-in offer not just attendence to an event a small portion of the fanbase can participate in.

[brokeasajoke]

The real problem with this exclusive is that he is a repaint of a single Knight of Weston. What are people going to do with the other three when they repaint one to look like him? More to point... what are people who don't use customs going to do with them :P

You could either use the 4 knights as a regular common squad (just one will be painted funny), or just use the black knight.

Personally, this wouldn't be a problem to me since I am a big fan of knights. I can never have too many minis of knights.

But yeah, as someone has said, it isn't the same as having the real thing. That is just a compulsion that I would recommend learning to overcome. That kind of thinking can end up costing you way too much.

And yeah, it is really regrettable that Hasbro would do something like this. Too bad I don't happen to live near Indianapolis. Oh well. :|

[markwars]

The glee you get from attending a con and getting an exclusive figure is really hard to explain to the non O/C crowd. It's also just as hard to describe the feeling you get when you know you don't have something. Believe me I know that feeling too. But brokeasajoke is right. It's something that you have to learn to overcome...if it's about something serious. Heroscape isn't serious and it really isn't even that expensive. I generally just give into that side of myself. 8)

[brokeasajoke]

The glee you get from attending a con and getting an exclusive figure is really hard to explain to the non O/C crowd. It's also just as hard to describe the feeling you get when you know you don't have something. Believe me I know that feeling too. But brokeasajoke is right. It's something that you have to learn to overcome...if it's about something serious. Heroscape isn't serious and it really isn't even that expensive. I generally just give into that side of myself. 8)

Ah, but once you start down the darkpath, forever it will dominate your destiny... or something like that. :wink:

[netherspirit]

I will be giving my 2 extras away. I have 2 extras because my girlfriend is at the con and we only need one. The other one came from a trade at the Con :)

[markwars]

:lol: Believe it or not I am a third generation miniatures/toy collector. My family lives on the dark path. :twisted:

[brokeasajoke]

Then the darkside... has... already won. :nkick:

[geddy lifeson]

I come from many generations of geeks period...my daughter is doomed, doomed I tell you.

BTW, her mother was a serious nerd growing up. Look out little girl, you will be addicted to gaming, computers, science, math and literature...not too bad IMO.

Nether, you are the man. It would be so easy to sell them on EBay, but that is very admirable of you.

I did the same thing with Nerak. I got 4 extra at the TRU event and gave one each to a couple newbs I got into HS and two to a hardcore friend, the same lucky bastard that landed a speaking role in Transformers.

[happyjosiah]

Yeah, it's an implausible scenario for a number of reasons, but why do we always have to assume the worst in these cases?Occam's Razor, man.

Occam's Razor. :lol:

In the abscene of any other information, the simplest explanation is the most likely.

BTW - Habro is already behind the 8 ball and failing HS fansd on this exclusive unit, since they don't have it published on the website, in high quality, like they had Nerak.

That makes it so that any HS fan could print out the exclusive and substitute any fig they want (even a Knight with a little Evil goatee painted in ;) ) and play with it in their game.

It seems like in many ways, Hasbro is stepping backwards in their approach and support of HS. :headshake:

True, but lets give em a week or so to get the picture up before we get upset.

[Filbey]

alright.
this is the last I have to say, and then I will just watch and see whomever else wants to tell me how wrong I am.
I am not mad.
I am not mad at that guy.
I am not mad at Hasbro.
I think it sucks that people would do that to others because they are willing to pay out of thier butt for that figure.
say whatever you want to, I don't care.
I would get it for whoever wanted one, and make sure I would get one for myself. thats all. I wouldn't get 48 of them so I could become the next freaking H. Ross Perot on Ebay.
I don't really give a crap about the money either. I want to play Heroscape and have fun. I want you all to get Hawthorne and have fun.
since when did that become so freaking bad?
Well said and I'm with you! I wish more people thought this way. "Never mind what they are selling.....it's what your buying!" Fugazi 8)

[Karkadinn]

I recently did the same thing with EOV sets. Yeah I found 4 EOVs at a Walmart, I also had to pull them off the shelves, find an employee, get them to clearance them right then to $20 (instead of waiting a week) so I could buy them. I could have left some for people but why? I drove over there and found them. I sold two of them plus the two extra EOVs and made $130. I put them up for what I paid for them as a start. Fair in my book and I don't feel bad about it. I got 2 EOV Master sets for free and with the extra money I made I basically got RV for free and a TT for $13.

Now THIS is a separate issue from selling free Gencon handouts, and is harmful to the community and the industry. I'm surprised no one else has told you off for it yet.
The fact of the thing is, if scalpers keep on snagging all the merchandise off the shelves for Ebay, then there's no products left for the Heroscape players who go to stores looking for expansions, or for potential new playesr looking for something different to play in the shelves.
And people, I will defend the basic concept of capitalism to the death, but we must also remember that leaving any system, no matter how sensibly, completely unchecked is ultimately self-destructive. Capitalism unchecked leads to monopolies and robber-barons, for instance.
Buy what you need from the shelves, what you intend for personal use or for gifts. But don't supplement your income by cleaning the shelves out of already hard to find products and sticking them on Ebay where you know only the hardcore completists with a ton of spare cash will get them. That huts the community and that hurts the game. There's a line between being thrifty and being selfishly greedy, and that's crossing it.

[dra(gon)]

just if anny one copy the exclusiv figure it is not the orginal(that is that the brain said) .
if you sell that on ebay some can thing you are a pirat, selling fake figures.
but an unpunckt pack tat must be the orginal.(so will fakke tattoo, card)

and in 100 year you must call experts that say that say no this is fake .

it is the same as nerak, print out card buy a second swogand you got one(but the color) i paint him but..... :x

collect exclusiv things sucks.



i thoght , hs is from hasbro(great company) so i have no problems to get the staff. but look europe, no nerak, no vw, and seems no flagbears :(

so i love ebay to gett the flag :wink: bears

[RichardD]

I would like to have a Sir H. Being from Europe, getting to Genon would be freaking expensive (I've already got an Essen trip booked, which is abnout £1,000 blown on a games weekend - going to the States as well is not an option).

I'd like to have one of everything, but I'm not paying $50 for it. $10 is a fair price.

I am a bit disgruntled at this chap - how did he get 4, when it's one per person? (Presumably off mates who are also there).

I am also a bit disgruntled at Hasbro - do they know (or care) that this is happening? (Yes, and no, would be my guess).

But I'll survive. Even without a Sir H.

Though maybe I'm just philosophical as I'm off to demo HS here in England for the rest of the day :)

[dra(gon)]

essen i hope there will some thing about ha i thing they will wave 3, exclusiv thing no.
but who knows, but hs will not be a big thing . essen shows more new things. maybe my brother goes thre. ad i if a got free.

i can live out sir.. too i hope but that flagbears i want tham , dam tru exclusives.

@RichardD 1000 pounds? wow for one trip?

20euro cost a fly to london. i f you arive london fly to dortmund than with the train station than to essen.

[chewbaccapits]

I will be giving my 2 extras away. I have 2 extras because my girlfriend is at the con and we only need one. The other one came from a trade at the Con :)Have you looked at the groveling thread and made a choice as to whom you'll give them to?

[Thor]

You know, last year when Nerak was announced as a GenCon exclusive I was mad as hell (as I am sure some older members can attest to :wink: ). I thought how could Hasbro go off and make an exclusive figure when this game was suppose to be non-collectable!? And further more why is this figure not being offered to the hardcore fans, some who have invested thousands in the game and are the biggest game supporters? Instead though you have many people getting the free figure at GenCon that have probably never even played the game and never will. They are making a nice $50+ profit on eBay off a figure that cost 5 cents to make. Some people rationalized the exclusive as a way to promote the game and get new people into it by offering them a special figure no one else had. I didn't buy that excuse then and still have my problems with it.

Anyhoo, fast forward to this year where I learn there is yet another GenCon exclusive. This time somethings different though. I find myself really not giving two ****s about the figure. Would I like one? Sure. Will I get one? Not if I have to pay 50 bucks. Hell, I think my limit would be about 5 bucks. I've come to the realization it really is just a crappy repaint with sub-standard abilties. You know that Nerak that got me so worked up last year? I eventually got one thanks to the help of other scapers (thanks!). It's a nice little figure but it doesn't see that much play in all honesty. I could definetly do without it, especially now with all the other incredible figures out. If I somehow manage get a Hawthorne that would be great. If not, all well. Keep in mind, this is all coming from someone that has EVERYTHING available to date.

If you want to be mad at anyone be mad at Hasbro as others have said. Ya it sucks this guy is selling 4 Hawthornes rather then them being in players' hands who would actually use the figure. You know what though? It's Hasbro's fault things are the way they are. Hasbro could easily make this figure available online later on, or through some other means where the masses could get one. Who knows, maybe they still will. If they make it available to us at a later date AWESOME! If not.. all well. The figure isn't that great in all honesty and I know I definetly could live without. I guess that is really my whole point of this long winded post. Now, if the promo were those bad ass looking flag bearers I might definetly be singing a different tune... :twisted:

[ultradoug]

this happens with most collectible-type games. The thing I say about ebay sucking - comes from when I was on ebay:

1- people price (or used to) things at super cheap, but the cost to ship is way high, they do this to get to the top of a list when you search.

2- once you get bad feedback there is almost no way to get rid of it. Positive feedback is not really trustable eather, its too easy to make mulit-acounts just to give yourself good feedback.

3- sell at (x) amount has not been reached. - this alows the seller not to sell there item for any less then they want to sell it for, this makes sence, sure, but in open auction, the item is apprased for its value, and starts at that price, and sells at the end, the person selling might get what they want or more/less.

4- stockpiling items. This is where the retalaers dont like us collectors - or worse yet someone that works at a retal place that can get a bunch of stuff cheep / free. Then sell on ebay.

etcetcetc.

I have no idea who is buying crazy priced stuff, its not anyone here. I just have a bad taste for ebay lately.

[markwars]

The only reason Thor isn't mad this year is because the exclusive isn't an orc. :P

[Thor]

Shh! Don't tell them my secret!