When Marvel:TRA comes out, Would you play Marvel-Only?

[The Silver Surfer]

Hey everyone,
Sorry if this is in the wrong section or if someone else did this already, but I couldn't find it anywhere else. But anyway, I'm just wondering how many people would be interested in playing Marvel-only games once The Renforcements Arrive set is released?
If not, why?

I know I would just because I'm a big...well, good-sized fan of Marvel (Go Spidey!!!! You da' man!), and I just think it would be really fun. In fact, MarvelScape got me into the addiction.

[spidysox]

I really enjoy mixing the marvel and classic stuff. With only 10 characters, if you play alot of marvel only games it could get old quick. However once the reinforcements come out it should make marvel only games alot better. Although the punisher and bullseye could be great for crossover.
And Spidey as definately the man, I can't tell you how many times I have irritated my opponents like crazy while spider sense constantly kept him out of harms way. So much fun :D

[The Silver Surfer]

I really enjoy mixing the marvel and classic stuff. With only 10 characters, if you play alot of marvel only games it could get old quick. However once the reinforcements come out it should make marvel only games alot better. Although the punisher and bullseye could be great for crossover.
And Spidey as definately the man, I can't tell you how many times I have irritated my opponents like crazy while spider sense constantly kept him out of harms way. So much fun :D

I also enjoy mixing Marvel and Classic, I'd just also enjoy Marvel only once TRE comes out.

Although, I was referring to spider-man being the man in general, not necissarily in HS, although, he's pretty awsome in that, too :D .

[NecroBlade]

I know I can't wait for RA. Playing with the same 10 Supers every time is very boring. As soon as RA...arrives, I'll be playing a lot more Marvel, and not just mixed.

[jcb231]

I think playing a Marvel-only game is barely possible now, and I don't think the game will have a really exciting variety until we've got at least 25-30 units out there. So maybe after Wave Two I'll play some more Marvel-only games. In order for that to be really viable though they need a nice variety of point ranges...perhaps some more units in the 100-200 range, and a few between Doom and Abomination.

[NecroBlade]

Not to mention at least one more 5!

[rdhight]

When the new guys get here, I expect to build a little urban map and play some Marvel-only, but my group will probably go back to all mixed games before very long. I'm really not satisfied any longer without having both to choose from. Marvel has the big honking ranged heroes that classic skimps on, and classic has the squads.

[jcb231]

Not to mention at least one more 5!

Very true...picking Doctor Doom right now is always going to leave you with an awkward point build in a Marvel-only game.

[robbdaman]

Last I heard on the ask WotC thread they were still questioning whether the Marvel expansion would even be released because it wasn't cost effective. If it does ever get to my hands I'll play with them but I'll still use normal 'scape stuff plenty.

R~

[Wytefang]

I think I'd be more inclined to play Marvel-Only if there were Squads included. As it is now, it's all Heroes which is fun but too simplistic for my tastes - the squads add a lot of depth. Hopefully they decide to release Wave 1 and it sells well enough to allow for future sets which include Squads.

[spidysox]

I really enjoy mixing the marvel and classic stuff. With only 10 characters, if you play alot of marvel only games it could get old quick. However once the reinforcements come out it should make marvel only games alot better. Although the punisher and bullseye could be great for crossover.
And Spidey as definately the man, I can't tell you how many times I have irritated my opponents like crazy while spider sense constantly kept him out of harms way. So much fun :D

I also enjoy mixing Marvel and Classic, I'd just also enjoy Marvel only once TRE comes out.

Although, I was referring to spider-man being the man in general, not necissarily in HS, although, he's pretty awsome in that, too :D .
As you can probably tell by my av and name I have a little affection for a certain wall crawler outside of the game as well :D :D

[Junge Roman]

I was/am one of the anti-Marvel people, but the more I hear about it (and as the days pass before wave 8), and the cheaper it gets, the more likely I am becoming to break down and buy it. I like the characters, and if I do buy it, I'll be likely to play it by itself and in certain mixed scenarios- only ones that have a "Marvel-ish" feel. I don't like the Marvel characters infringing on the Heroscape world, but I wouldn't mind some cowboys/military/robots/zombies coming over to the Marvel world.

[bad_calvin]

I think I'd be more inclined to play Marvel-Only if there were Squads included. As it is now, it's all Heroes which is fun but too simplistic for my tastes - the squads add a lot of depth. Hopefully they decide to release Wave 1 and it sells well enough to allow for future sets which include Squads.

I have to agree with this. I want squads as well. Shield/ Hydra/ Police/ skrull/ kree/, random goons, etc.

[The Silver Surfer]

I think I'd be more inclined to play Marvel-Only if there were Squads included. As it is now, it's all Heroes which is fun but too simplistic for my tastes - the squads add a lot of depth. Hopefully they decide to release Wave 1 and it sells well enough to allow for future sets which include Squads.

I have to agree with this. I want squads as well. Shield/ Hydra/ Police/ skrull/ kree/, random goons, etc.

I also agree that squads would make the game more enjoyable, so if I ever did a marvel tourney, I'd probably make a list of squad characters that "fit in" well with the Marvel universe. For example, most agents could be SHIELD, the AE, being normal military, fit well, and a decent amount of soulborgs wouldn't be too bad, and you might even be able to go as far to pretend that some of the marro could be something Mysterio built as skeletons for one of his random Build-Something-Weird-to-fight-Spider-man-with. But once they release squads (if they ever do), I wouldn't let people use Classic HS squads, even if they did fit in well.

[LilNewbie]

Moved topic to Marvel Discussion.

I would not be against playing a Marvel Only game but enjoy the game with more variety available for troop selection.

Thanks,
Newb.

[Granite-M]

I'd pretty much agree with The Silver Surfer, up there-- until they get some decent Marvel squads to fill in the ranks, I'd bring in theme-appropriate classic units to add some variety.

I made a fun army with Iron Man, the Nakitas, Microcorps, and Deathreavers, with the thought being that Tony Stark grabbed some company operatives and a robotic "pet project" and went to war.

Depending on what your scenario is, you could work in quite a lot of the classic units. If they ever release Thor, that basically opens up all the Vikings and Kyrie characters, right there. I'm sure there are other examples.

That said... if Marvel were ever expanded enough... sure why not.

[NecroBlade]

I guess I'm in the minority in thinking we don't need squads to play Marvel only. Yes, by now we're all used to playing with them, but Marvel plays differently and I like that. Marvel games are supposed to be about throwing around a handful of dice with only a handful of characters. I really hope squads, if we do see them, play a minor role and don't change that.

[rym]

I think just having the 10 characters from Marvelscape limits how much I actually play Marvelscape. I too, cannot wait for the Reinforcements, but I think it's more because my goal is to have everything Heroscape that I can.

That being said, I typically view Marvelscape as a "quickie" if you will. You can usually play a game in as little as 30 minutes. Strategy seems to be easier (maybe just imagined on my part), and play goes quicker (again, imagined).

My 6 year old got Marvelscape for Christmas and he loves it (We play the basic side of the cards), so I play quite a bit of Marvel with him. He is eagerly awaiting the Reinforcements and I think I'm awaiting it as much as him just for the diversity we'll then have. We don't mix the two genres simply because the Marvel Heroes are so overpowered (mostly) compared to the classic 'scape heroes.

[rym]

I guess I'm in the minority in thinking we don't need squads to play Marvel only. Yes, by now we're all used to playing with them, but Marvel plays differently and I like that. Marvel games are supposed to be about throwing around a handful of dice with only a handful of characters. I really hope squads, if we do see them, play a minor role and don't change that.

I concur most definitely.

[clonedpoop]

I would definitely play Marvel only games. I like the fact that I can pick up the Marvel Set, and finish a game in under an hour. The RA set will just add more depth and fun to the game.

For the people asking for squads, I'll say this:

I'd love for Scarlet Spider to be made, but I know characters like Wolverine, Jean Grey, Storm, Daredevil, Elektra, Thor are more accessible to the general public and therefore will generate more sales. In the same vein of thinking, SHIELD agents, HYDRA agents, Spider-Slayers would be cool, but won't be that great in terms of making the sale.

That being said, I hope
1) Reinforcements Arrive comes out soon
2) An X-men set is used to draw more people to the game
3) Finally, a Spider-man themed set is released with Scarlet Spider and Carnage.

Everyone get your friends to vote in the thread below (in my sig) and let Walmart and WOTC know we'll back the Marvel expansions.

[The Silver Surfer]

That being said, I hope
1) Reinforcements Arrive comes out soon
2) An X-men set is used to draw more people to the game
3) Finally, a Spider-man themed set is released with Scarlet Spider and Carnage.


Yes!!! A Spider-man themed set would be AWSOME!!!

[NecroBlade]

Too bad we already have Spidey and Venom and are getting Doc Ock and Sandman. :P

[rym]

Agreed. With the diversity that exists in the Marvel Universe, I personally would like to see Marvelscape encompass more than just the "movie blockbuster" genre of heroes.

Don't get me wrong, I don't mind seeing all the Spidey villians and all, I just want to see some other stuff in there as well. But the bottom line is I'll buy it anyway, whatever it is.

I mean, it's 'scape and you can't really go wrong, can you?!

As Stan Lee says, Excelsior! :)

[The Silver Surfer]

As Stan Lee says, Excelsior! :)

I thought he says "'Nuff said!" :P

[rym]

Razz taken, :oops:

ahem <clears throat>, 'Nuff Said!

[clonedpoop]

Too bad we already have Spidey and Venom and are getting Doc Ock and Sandman. :P
I agree with your point, there does need to be some diversity. I'm just lucky to be a big Spidey fan with TRA's possible release.
Unfortunately, "less hardcore" comic fans will mostly recognize the movie characters. My point was the continuation of the line depends on sales. Mainstream movie characters will help with that.
In any case, Scarlet Spider would be a good Spidey replacement in the Wave 2 expansion.

[DarkBladeCB]

As Stan Lee says, Excelsior! :)

I thought he says "'Nuff said!" :P

Nah, he said both.

[NecroBlade]

My point was the continuation of the line depends on sales....and more people (i.e. non-hardcore fans) know the movie characters than every Spidey version or villain ever. ;)

In that vein, I heard someone at the theatre today look at an Iron Man poster and go, "Isn't that like that one with the little kid and the robot (Iron Giant)?" @_@

[clonedpoop]

My point was the continuation of the line depends on sales....and more people (i.e. non-hardcore fans) know the movie characters than every Spidey version or villain ever. ;)

In that vein, I heard someone at the theatre today look at an Iron Man poster and go, "Isn't that like that one with the little kid and the robot (Iron Giant)?" @_@

on the point of people knowing movie charaters more than the Spidey characters, I know that's the case. I just feel the need to promote Spider-man and Scarlet Spider whenever I can.

While I want a Spidey expansion I know we NEED a Wolverine/Xmen/Iron Man/Hulk set(s).

[Penitus]

I would love squads too, pending that they are not released at the expense of other characters. For example, if I had the choice between the following waves:

Wolverine
Magneto
Daredevil
Elektra
Juggernaut
Green Goblin
Thor
Mysterio
Storm
Sauron

vs.

SHIELD Agents x5
Hydra Agents x5

C'mon, you don't seriously expect anyone to choose the latter, do you? Let's face it, 1 wave per year for Marvelscape just isn't cutting it.

[Granite-M]

Let's face it, 1 wave per year for Marvelscape just isn't cutting it.

Us: Please sir? Could I have some more expansions per year?
The World: MORE? YOU WANT MORE???

*Us gets chased out of the gaming geek orphanage, and eventually turns to the Artful Dodger with his m@d ski11z at making superhero customs. Musical hijinks ensue.*

[Penitus]

I want a bimonthly expansion until Marvelscape exceeds 70 characters.

[Sherman Davies]

I want a bimonthly expansion until Marvelscape exceeds 70 characters.

For playtesting purposes, I think that's a bit too fast. Assuming waves of 10 figures, I think two or three waves a year is fine.

Edit: To reply to the original thread question, yes. I usually mix my Marvel with my regular 'Scape and have only played one all-Marvel game since I bought it, precisely because I think it would be a bit dull being limited to 10 characters all the time. As soon as that number doubles or triples, I'm all for playing all-Marvel games.

[The Silver Surfer]

I want a bimonthly expansion until Marvelscape exceeds 70 characters.

For playtesting purposes, I think that's a bit too fast. Assuming waves of 10 figures, I think two or three waves a year is fine.

Aren't we only getting one wave a year?

I think we should get at least 2 waves and a Master set each year for the next 3 years. And then, we can go to just 2 waves a year, and a master set every 2 years.

[DarkBladeCB]

I want a bimonthly expansion until Marvelscape exceeds 70 characters.

For playtesting purposes, I think that's a bit too fast. Assuming waves of 10 figures, I think two or three waves a year is fine.

Aren't we only getting one wave a year?

I think we should get at least 2 waves and a Master set each year for the next 3 years. And then, we can go to just 2 waves a year, and a master set every 2 years.

Yes, but the same people also have to play test and give us REGULAR 'Scape figures. And if I have to pick between Regularscape and Marvelscape, it's not a hard choice. To me, whatever Marvelscape comes out is really just icing on the Regularscape cake.

And, honestly, I'd rather have really good, well play-tested, high quality figures as opposed to lots of not so great figures that don't play like the characters and are horribly unbalanced.

[Cleon]

Once the expansion comes out, I'll play some Marvel only games. I've been trying to do that since the CB came out, but there's just not enough figures with just that. Hopefully, I predict, the wave will supply us with an amount of figures where we can have a good amount of playable armies. I'm gonna have to wait till wave 2 comes out before I start doing tourneys with just Marvel, but until then, I will try to play many Marvel only matches with just using CB and RA, and just Marvel terrain.

I really hope Reinforcements Arrive will contain of 2 more glyphs, that are other than just artifacts. And will contain a few obsticles, a car or two and maybe street lights. That would make the game much more playable and interesting.

[Penitus]

I want a bimonthly expansion until Marvelscape exceeds 70 characters.

For playtesting purposes, I think that's a bit too fast. Assuming waves of 10 figures, I think two or three waves a year is fine.


I was being facetious, but heck I'd be thrilled with 3 waves per year...the problem is that we're not getting that. I really want to keep interest and spend money on this game.

[Granite-M]

I want a bimonthly expansion until Marvelscape exceeds 70 characters.

For playtesting purposes, I think that's a bit too fast. Assuming waves of 10 figures, I think two or three waves a year is fine.

Aren't we only getting one wave a year?

I think we should get at least 2 waves and a Master set each year for the next 3 years. And then, we can go to just 2 waves a year, and a master set every 2 years.

Yes, but the same people also have to play test and give us REGULAR 'Scape figures.


Then... then... then just hire more game makers / playtesters! More! Waaaugh! *bursts into tears*

Seriously, though: if the game is doing well and there's plenty of demand, why not hire more guys to make more game?

Call me crazy, but I thought that was sort of what business was all about: you make a thing, people want that thing, they give you money, you use that money to make more of the thing, and the next thing you know, we're all sleeping on HeroScape sheets, wearing HeroScape underoos, and Daniel Day Lewis has been cast as Taelord in the HeroScape movie.

I suppose it's possible that the WotC guys don't want to bloat up and sacrifice quality to quantity.

But I wants more!

[jcb231]

I would love squads too, pending that they are not released at the expense of other characters. For example, if I had the choice between the following waves:

Wolverine
Magneto
Daredevil
Elektra
Juggernaut
Green Goblin
Thor
Mysterio
Storm
Sauron

vs.

SHIELD Agents x5
Hydra Agents x5

C'mon, you don't seriously expect anyone to choose the latter, do you? Let's face it, 1 wave per year for Marvelscape just isn't cutting it.

I think if squads were handled as uniques only, it would preserve the small-sacle feel of the game, and allow them to be packed with a hero or two.

If Nick Fury came in a pack with say, Black Widow and a squad of 3 or 4 SHIELD Agents, that would rock...a nice littel espionage themed set. Or perhaps if Mister Fantastic came with a squad of 4 or 5 Skrull Warriors. Or if a large hero set had Galactus, Fin Fang Foom, and a couple of Sentinels.

[Griffin]

I never mix Marvel and Classic. I think that it was not a mistake to get the License, It was a mistake to not work the Marvel characters in to the HeroScape classic universe better. There should have been a great storyline of the generals finding these Heroes and others in alternate universes and employing them as they normally do anyone else. Shouldn't Ironman work for Vydar and Captain America for Jandar and so on. I think it would have brought more Heroclix fans in on an even deeper level.

[hextr1p]

I think it would have brought more Heroclix fans in on an even deeper level.
I think what would bring more HeroClix fans over to the game is not the story. Rather, what currently separates the two games are the MASSIVE number of heroes available in the Clix line. Marvel HS only has 10 characters, with the possibility (slim as it seems right now) of others to come. There are a slew of top-notch customs superheroes here on 'Scapers.com, the majority of which use Clix figures to represent the HS mini. But the fact that the actual Marvel HS game isn't getting any official support for expansion packs at the moment is, in my opinion, the real reason Clix fans haven't yet bought in to the Heroscape game system.

[clonedpoop]

I think it would have brought more Heroclix fans in on an even deeper level.I think what would bring more HeroClix fans over to the game is not the story. Rather, what currently separates the two games are the MASSIVE number of heroes available in the Clix line. Marvel HS only has 10 characters, with the possibility (slim as it seems right now) of others to come. There are a slew of top-notch customs superheroes here on 'Scapers.com, the majority of which use Clix figures to represent the HS mini. But the fact that the actual Marvel HS game isn't getting any official support for expansion packs at the moment is, in my opinion, the real reason Clix fans haven't yet bought in to the Heroscape game system.

I have to agree here. Personally, I don't care for the story at all (and neither do the people I play with). The success of a game is largely based on how much fun it is to play. Things like story are just a bonus.

Heroclix has the advantage of being comic-book based, so even if someone doesn't find the game fun they still may collect. Heroscape doesn't have that luxury, IMO.

[Granite-M]

The success of a game is largely based on how much fun it is to play. Things like story are just a bonus.

Heroclix has the advantage of being comic-book based, so even if someone doesn't find the game fun they still may collect. Heroscape doesn't have that luxury, IMO.

And while I don't much care for either the HeroClix game system OR its collectible nature, I freakin' love HeroScape.

The one thing that 'Clix has over 'Scape is breadth. I would love it if 'Scape survived long enough to have the massive numbers of units that are in 'Clix, and even started to develop along the lines of an open-source battle system. Until such time as that, though, I'm glad to pick up the 'Clix minis for a dollar or so a piece, pry them off their bases, and use them for 'Scape customs.

I envision a future where heartbroken 'Clix collectors come across their most prized rare units, mutilated so as to be used as 'Scape customs. That's what you get for thinking a piece of plastic an inch tall is worth $80, you suckers!

[TheBigVoiceInTheSky]

[quote=clonedpoop;599908]I envision a future where heartbroken 'Clix collectors come across their most prized rare units, mutilated so as to be used as 'Scape customs. That's what you get for thinking a piece of plastic an inch tall is worth $80, you suckers!

Hee Hee Hee!
:D

My gaming friends and I have it backwards. We love HeroScape, and when MarvelScape came out, we loved it even more. Last weekend, we played our first HeroScape only game in, oh, a year or more. For the most part, we build our armies around at least one Marvel character, then fill in with HeroScape favorites.

But to answer the question - No, we probably won't play with Marvel-only scenerios. It's too much fun to mix-and-match.

[Lord Pyre]

[quote=clonedpoop;599908]I envision a future where heartbroken 'Clix collectors come across their most prized rare units, mutilated so as to be used as 'Scape customs. That's what you get for thinking a piece of plastic an inch tall is worth $80, you suckers!

Ever hear of a guy called Sir Hawthorne? ;)

[Ugly-Caco]

Hey guys is there a Marvelscape army vs Original (I don't want to call it "regular" scape) Heroscape army thread somewhere? Search won't search for "vs" or "v.s."

[Lord Pyre]

Hey guys is there a Marvelscape army vs Original (I don't want to call it "regular" scape) Heroscape army thread somewhere? Search won't search for "vs" or "v.s."

I've seen some, but I don't know where. I think in the competitive armies section, but I could be wrong.

[iceman3317]

No. I do not like Marvelscape.

[Sherman Davies]

Way to contribute to the conversation.

I suppose I should just be glad punctuation and capital letters were used...

[clonedpoop]

Way to contribute to the conversation.

I suppose I should just be glad punctuation and capital letters were used...

Although I don't appreciate his response either, he did technically answer the question. Let's just hope Marvel TRA comes out.

[TheBigVoiceInTheSky]

Hey guys is there a Marvelscape army vs Original (I don't want to call it "regular" scape) Heroscape army thread somewhere? Search won't search for "vs" or "v.s."

There's a short one here which is kind of what you're looking for:

http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=11628

My nephew took the MarvelScape side and pretty well cleaned my clock.

But you got me to thinking about running a few Original HeroScape armies against an all-Marvel team, equal points and the like. A second thought occurs, which is one Marvel figure against an equal point total of Original figures. Dund may finally have a use.

(I kid. I love Dund. And the Gorillanators. But I also cheer for the Cubs, so you can probably see a theme here.)

[clancampbell]

When I first saw the marvelscape set, my first thought was oh whatever. Now that I think about it, I'm actually considering picking it up and trying it. I will say, that after looking at the cards for the army the hero's on the marvel side seem much more powerful than the hero's and squads on the non-marvel side. I'm still of the school of thought that the two should not mix. Not exactly sure why I feel this way, it just feels wrong.
For those of you who enjoy mixing, feel free, its just not for me. I probably will pick up marvelscape and its expansion(if its ever released), but will play it as a stand alone game.

[CHAZ!]

i can't wait for the next wave of marvel to come out. as far as marvel only games goes nope i like mixing things up.:evil:

[NecroBlade]

i can't wait for the next wave of marvel to come out. as far as marvel only games goes nope i like mixing things up.:evil:
Hence the signature? :lol:

Welcome to the site.

I, as I've said before, look forward to more Marvel figures. However, I think it'll take more than another 10 to make Marvel-only games a regular thing.

[Pumpkin_King]

I never mix Marvel and Classic. I think that it was not a mistake to get the License, It was a mistake to not work the Marvel characters in to the HeroScape classic universe better. There should have been a great storyline of the generals finding these Heroes and others in alternate universes and employing them as they normally do anyone else. Shouldn't Ironman work for Vydar and Captain America for Jandar and so on. I think it would have brought more Heroclix fans in on an even deeper level.

This is not a shameless plug. (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=19855)

Plugs of any kind aside, I agree. I like the stylized cards of Marvelscape, but seeing Cap as Jandar would have been all the more worthwhile.


Of course, then you start getting sticky situations like Ornak's Red Flag O' Fury. If we assume the villians are Utgar, and Ornak can move two Utgar heroes at once...ouch.