HS Codex Site Down?

[Dragonranger]

Anyone else having problems getting to the main HS Codex site?

[Eckels]

No. Just loaded fine for me.

[KevinWC]

I was just there. I am dissapointed though that after a month and a week we still don't have the codex. I am sure it will be well worth the wait though.

[ninthdoc]

I was just there. I am dissapointed though that after a month and a week we still don't have the codex. I am sure it will be well worth the wait though.

You do realize that zine is produced completely by volunteers?

[Creationist]

not to rag on them or you, ninthdoc, but if someone makes a promise they should keep it. Someone else made a very good point about this in another thread.

"It's like if you invite someone over for dinner. They don't show. The next day you confront them and they say, 'You didn't pay me, so why should you be upset?'"

[Shades fan]

not to rag on them or you, ninthdoc, but if someone makes a promise they should keep it. Someone else made a very good point about this in another thread.

"It's like if you invite someone over for dinner. They don't show. The next day you confront them and they say, 'You didn't pay me, so why should you be upset?'"

They are doing it to benefit the community you shouldn't be upset that something went wrong or if something got delayed. That was rude being that they don't get paid. They didn't promise you anything,they just set a deadline they couldn't reach. Just think of them making it that much better!

[Onacara]

not to rag on them or you, ninthdoc, but if someone makes a promise they should keep it. Someone else made a very good point about this in another thread.

"It's like if you invite someone over for dinner. They don't show. The next day you confront them and they say, 'You didn't pay me, so why should you be upset?'"


Didn't you promise that the Patriots would win the Super Bowl? :wink:

[ninthdoc]

not to rag on them or you, ninthdoc, but if someone makes a promise they should keep it. Someone else made a very good point about this in another thread.

"It's like if you invite someone over for dinner. They don't show. The next day you confront them and they say, 'You didn't pay me, so why should you be upset?'"

You're not ragging on me. However, you are doing an excellent job of showing your posterior in public.

[Will T]

If you really want to see the HS Codex come out in a more timely manner, volunteer to help produce it. Many hands makes light work...

[Ormus]

I myself am quite happy to wait...never rush a good thing....soon come...

[gatewaysysop]

not to rag on them or you, ninthdoc, but if someone makes a promise they should keep it. Someone else made a very good point about this in another thread.

"It's like if you invite someone over for dinner. They don't show. The next day you confront them and they say, 'You didn't pay me, so why should you be upset?'"

You're not ragging on me. However, you are doing an excellent job of showing your posterior in public.

I disagree. He's stating his opinion and giving an example to support it. If you disagree, which you have every right to do, why not at least counter the example with one of your own that you think supports your argument, rather than going the ad hominem route?

On another note, I whole heartedly agree with a previous poster on the other Codex thread who mentioned that this is about communication, not about squabbling over a deadline. If there's a delay, just say so. Leaving everyone wondering without even so much as an update to the website or a quick forum post is in poor taste and shows a lack of respect for one's readership.

If they need additional help with this month's issue, I'd be happy to pitch in if someone would only ask (as I'm sure many others would as well). That's the problem though, there is no communication, just a missed deadline and a bunch of people scratching their heads because nobody knows what's going on. It's not about how soon they get it out, that's completely besides the point.

Nature abhors a vacuum, and I'm fairly certain that Codex readers do as well. If anyone involved is reading this, please throw us a bone with some form of an update. It's not asking much.

[Onacara]

not to rag on them or you, ninthdoc, but if someone makes a promise they should keep it. Someone else made a very good point about this in another thread.

"It's like if you invite someone over for dinner. They don't show. The next day you confront them and they say, 'You didn't pay me, so why should you be upset?'"

You're not ragging on me. However, you are doing an excellent job of showing your posterior in public.

I disagree. He's stating his opinion and giving an example to support it. If you disagree, which you have every right to do, why not at least counter the example with one of your own that you think supports your argument, rather than going the ad hominem route?

Oh Crap....



RUN!!!!!!!

[MinhBinh]

If you really want to see the HS Codex come out in a more timely manner, volunteer to help produce it. Many hands makes light work...

Actually, if I wanted to volunteer to help produce it, who would I contact? I'm very inexperienced in Heroscape, so I wouldn't be able to produce much of anything in the way of content, but I'd be more than willing to help in whatever ways I could.

[ninthdoc]

There are way too many self-entitled folks posting here.

[gatewaysysop]

There are way too many self-entitled folks posting here.

Based on what, exactly? Is it the fact that at least two people in this thread have said they'd be willing to help with the Codex (myself included)? Or is it because we said that we would appreciate an update on the status?

It's not unfair to ask for a status update once a second deadline has been passed, is it? I don't personally believe so. In my opinion, nobody is being rude and nobody is demanding anything, so I don't see any evidence of self-entitlement.

If you're going to call people self-entitled, I think you should at least qualify the accusation.

[ninthdoc]

It's not unfair to ask for a status update once a second deadline has been passed, is it?

That's it right there. How can you have a deadline, per se, if there is no consequence for not having it released at some arbitrary date that the authors have set for themselves?

It is not only unfair, but unreasonable. This publication is strictly volunteer. There is no profit to be made.

Why is this so difficult for you to comprehend, unless you're just trolling?

[Eckels]

It's not unfair to ask for a status update once a second deadline has been passed, is it?

That's it right there. How can you have a deadline, per se, if there is no consequence for not having it released at some arbitrary date that the authors have set for themselves?

It is not only unfair, but unreasonable. This publication is strictly volunteer. There is no profit to be made.

Why is this so difficult for you to comprehend, unless you're just trolling?

I don't think it's difficult for anyone to comprehend, but I also think you folks are being overprotective of the HSCodex authors.

Take this for example:

I've worked on the Riverhead Country Fair Committee for over ten years now. We hold a one-day fair in downtown Riverhead, on the east end of Long Island, NY. It happens to be the largest one-day fair in New York State. Personally, I'm in charge of the morning setup crew. There are approximately 20 volunteers in total, that organize the fair, including myself. On a good year, we see 50,000-60,000 people descend on our town, and on a bad year (When the weather is poorer) it's closer to 10,000-20,000.

We are all unpaid volunteers, yet we still organize the fair to go off without a hitch on the Sunday before Columbus Day, which is the second sunday in October.

Now, if after advertising for the fair one year, If we didn't do our jobs, and there wasn't a fair, and several thousand people showed up anyway, wouldn't there be a reaction on the part of the people expecting to go, to ask "Hey, where's the fair?"

The argument of "The organizers are all volunteers, so they didn't really have to do it, anyway." just doesn't fly.

It's the identical situation with the codex. No one is DEMANDING that it be put out right away (at least not that I've seen). Frankly, If it doesn't come out at all, it makes no difference to me at all. It's a nice little publication, but I don't think anyone lives their life by it. There's a very natural reaction on the part of the readers who were looking forward to it, to say "Hey, where'd it go?", or at least ask "When is it coming out?".

I think some of you are being a little overprotective of the authors and editors. No one is demanding, or forcing or screaming about the fact that they don't have the Codex. But they've also missed TWO deadlines that they've set for themselves. It should be expected that someone's going to say "Hey, what's going on? Is this thing still happening?"

NO ONE should gang up on the authors, but at the same time, no one should demonize the curious one, either. It doesn't affect my life either way, I just hate to see people who ask innocent questions being ridiculed, on either side of the fence.

[bad_calvin]

I can wait man. The codex is worth waiting for. These guys don't just slap some crap together they make a solid mag for free! Take your time regardless what some of the others are saying. I personally don't have the time to help, but if there is something that the publishers need help with then post it here and see if anyone has the qualifications to help.

[tyguy94920]

Says the lucky buggers who can accually download it

[jsilvrs]

I can wait man. The codex is worth waiting for. These guys don't just slap some crap together they make a solid mag for free! Take your time regardless what some of the others are saying.

I don't think anyone is questioning the quality of the mag or the worthiness of the wait. I think they are questioning the lack of information. It would just be nice to hear "we need x days/weeks to finish this issue", that way I could stop checking their site 3 times a day for x days/weeks.

[Grungebob]

The Codex deadlines should be looked at as a goal only. The real release is "when it's done it's done". Like the video game industry.

Any issue of whether the codex team should keep fans posted of their delays and progress, is not cause for argument. Show them your appreciation with a little patience and understanding. Don't have expectations about the communication flow.

If you have a negative opinion about the Codex's release info, whether valid or not, please just keep it to yourself. Last thing volunteers need is for folks to make them feel like crap while trying to do something cool for them.

[CupidsArt]

What he said /\ :)

[Bixby]

Thanks GB. I am not involved in the Codex, but I have a TON of respect and admiration for those who are. I consider each issue to be a blessing and a gift to the HS community when it comes out.

This bitching about missed deadlines is something that really gets my goat. I tend to volunteer for many activities and nothing irriates me more than armchair quaterbacks. Now, as a person, I like criticism. It is feedback, it is information, it is knowledge. That is a good thing. The rub for me comes when people offer criticism on what or how someone is doing, but they are content to sit on the sidelines and do nothing.

People who do nothing often find fault with people who do something.

This is similar to the armchair quarterback who has never thrown a football, let alone played in a high pressure situation of an actual game where there are a bunch of 300 pound monsters bearing down on you trying to prevent the play. I feel one has to earn the right to offer criticism.

For those who have said they would offer help if asked...

...read the frickin' Codex, there are many avenues to get involved. There is an open invitation to get involved. Contact someone. Don't sit idle and wait for your personal invitation, it likely isn't in the mail.
...show some initiative.

[InfinityMax]

Every Codex contains information that will allow you to help, so stow that crap about how you don't know what you can do. The call for volunteers is there, so quit your whining and do something useful.

Nothing burns me up like people complaining about stuff they get for free. Eckels, this isn't an identical situation. It's nothing like a fair. For a fair to come off, you need both the fair and the participants. If no participants arrive, there's still no fair. If nobody reads the Codex, you still have a Codex. You can wait for a magazine, because it will still be just as useful in a month.

And having been the top cheese on that mag for the first year, I can tell you that it's a hell of a lot of work. And every issue, we had to put up with the same crybaby, do-nothing, armchair quarterbacks. 'Oh, there are typos!' 'You're a day late!' 'This article wasn't very good!' 'My bum-bum hurts! Can you rub it?'

I don't want to hear a single word on this from any one of you crap apples unless you've personally written to Atmospro to see what you can do to help. If your name isn't in the credits, then all you're entitled to do is thank the guys who put it together. Anything more is ungrateful whining, and I'm good and sick of it. And if you are in the credits, and you want to complain, don't do it in public, you simpering turds. Write the editor and find out what you can do to help. Your complaining is worthless, ungrateful, oral diarrhea.

I know I offended someone with this, and my response would be 'Good. You had it coming.' I don't care if I hurt your little glass feelings. If you're a whiney little girl, I'm calling you out and I'll do it again.

[LilNewbie]

IMax is my hero!!

;)

Newb.

[truth]

Having worked on the codex in the past. This gets a big fat: :withimax:

[ej]

When some wild-eyed, eight foot tall maniac grabs your neck, taps the back of your favorite head against a bar room wall, and looks you crooked in the eye, and he asks you if you're with IMax, well, you just stare that big sucker right back in the eye, and you remember what old ej always says at a time like that, 'Are you with IMax, ej? Yes sir, the post is in the queue.'

[LilNewbie]

When some wild-eyed, eight foot tall maniac grabs your neck, taps the back of your favorite head against a bar room wall, and looks you crooked in the eye, and he asks you if you're with IMax, well, you just stare that big sucker right back in the eye, and you remember what old ej always says at a time like that, 'Are you with IMax, ej? Yes sir, the post is in the queue.'

LOL!

Genius...pure genius!!

Newb.

[Grungebob]

When some wild-eyed, eight foot tall maniac grabs your neck, taps the back of your favorite head against a bar room wall, and looks you crooked in the eye, and he asks you if you're with IMax, well, you just stare that big sucker right back in the eye, and you remember what old ej always says at a time like that, 'Are you with IMax, ej? Yes sir, the post is in the queue.'That's funny, because if you were in a bar and Imax saw that happening, he'd probably bloody his knuckles on the guy.

[ej]

When some wild-eyed, eight foot tall maniac grabs your neck, taps the back of your favorite head against a bar room wall, and looks you crooked in the eye, and he asks you if you're with IMax, well, you just stare that big sucker right back in the eye, and you remember what old ej always says at a time like that, 'Are you with IMax, ej? Yes sir, the post is in the queue.'That's funny, because if you were in a bar and Imax saw that happening, he'd probably bloody his knuckles on the guy.

Of all the people I've never met in person, Chuck Norris is the one I'd want to have watch my back in a bar fight. Since he's most likely unavailable, IMax is my Number 2 pick. I wanted to post something a little more substantial than I'm with IMax. I could've gone with "I'm so with Imax that Fred Phelps has made special signs for us." but I'm sworn to secrecy in that regard.

[Eckels]

Nothing burns me up like people complaining about stuff they get for free. Eckels, this isn't an identical situation. It's nothing like a fair. For a fair to come off, you need both the fair and the participants. If no participants arrive, there's still no fair. If nobody reads the Codex, you still have a Codex. You can wait for a magazine, because it will still be just as useful in a month.

I agree.

(Well I mostly agree.. the Readers are the codex's "particpants". If there werent readers to look forward to the codex, then why bother posting a release date at all? But I digress, this isn't my point at all.)

I can wait, because frankly, I really don't care either way. I get my hersocape news from these forums. If you've read my posts, you'll see that I've not once asked "Where is it?"

I'm just making the point that it should be expected that someone's inevitably going to wonder what's going on, and ask about it. It seems that just for asking that simple question, those folks are geting berated and abused. While demanding that the codex be finished is certainly unreasonable, questions shouldnt be.

Heck, the issue could be entirely behind us if it someone on the Codex site would simply say that "Issue 9 is cancelled", or "Postponed indefinately" or "It's coming next week" or whatever the actual case may be. The lack of an actual answer will continue to spur questions by people who notice it's not there. If there's at least some sort of answer, no one would wonder.

But don't confuse me with the people who are actually questioning where it is. I'm just trying to explain the questions, and why you'll continue to get them.

[Jexik]

Um. (http://heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=16818)

[Eckels]

Oh, good. :) (Didn't see it yet, as I just logged on, and hadn't browsed the forums yet. I was only replying to posts directed to me.)

That's exactly what there needed to be.

My point is still valid. It's too bad it came after a month and ten days of questions. All of the arguments over this could have been silenced, before they started. Now maybe all this crap can end.

[Grungebob]

My point is still valid. It's too bad it came after a month and ten days of questions. All of the arguments over this could have been silenced, before they started. Now maybe all this crap can end.

Valid or not, there's no reason to be rude and impatient with the volunteers. We'll be lucky if anybody volunteers to put this thing together if folks can't simply practise a little patience. Now maybe all this crap can end.

[Eckels]

My point is still valid. It's too bad it came after a month and ten days of questions. All of the arguments over this could have been silenced, before they started. Now maybe all this crap can end.

Valid or not, there's no reason to be rude and impatient with the volunteers. We'll be lucky if anybody volunteers to put this thing together if folks can't simply practise a little patience. Now maybe all this crap can end.

?!

I wasn't being rude at all, and I certainly haven't shown any hint of impatience, especially not to the volunteers! I've done my best to be as polite as possible, and I've not once said anything with the slightest bit of malice intended.

My only goal in this entire conversation has been to get everyone to relax a bit. It seems like every time the codex is simply mentioned, everyone suddenly puts their mean faces on.

I never intended any rudeness whatsoever. I'm truly sorry if anyone intpreted that way.

I guess I shouldn't have stuck my nose into this debacle. I just wanted everyone to settle down. I had no intention of making it worse.

[Grungebob]

My point is still valid. It's too bad it came after a month and ten days of questions. All of the arguments over this could have been silenced, before they started. Now maybe all this crap can end.

Valid or not, there's no reason to be rude and impatient with the volunteers. We'll be lucky if anybody volunteers to put this thing together if folks can't simply practise a little patience. Now maybe all this crap can end.

?!

I wasn't being rude at all, and I certainly haven't shown any hint of impatience, especially not to the volunteers! I've done my best to be as polite as possible, and I've not once said anything with the slightest bit of malice intended.

My only goal in this entire conversation has been to get everyone to relax a bit. It seems like every time the codex is simply mentioned, everyone suddenly puts their mean faces on.

I never intended any rudeness whatsoever. I'm truly sorry if anyone intpreted that way.

I guess I shouldn't have stuck my nose into this debacle. I just wanted everyone to settle down. I had no intention of making it worse.I don't want anybody to be rude to the volunteers by criticising them for being late with the Codex. I also don't want folks attempting to support that rudeness through debate. As long as that is clear we will have no problems here.

[Onacara]

I love the Codex...but I tell you right now that if I was in Atmospros shoes I would say "screw you and not put out another issue"...


Aren't you happy i am not him? :wink:

[KevinWC]

Well, I read alot and post a little, but this thread proves yet again that you must have at least 1,000 posts and a cute little avatar for anyone to listen to you.

There are too many posts here, that I disagree with, to single out one, but they all said basically the same thing. So if everyone with 1,000 or more posts would please listen to a newb for one time:

Just because someone with a few posts asks if anyone knows when the codex is coming out doesn't mean they are complaining, whining, being an armchair quarterback or any of the other plethora of negative adjectives that were thrown at them. It means either, they did not know that the codex usually runs a couple days late (and that is okay) or they didn't know there was a problem with finding time and helpers and so didn't know to offer their help.

This thread was originally about someone having a problem loading the codex site. I think the topic diverged when I posted that I was a tad dissapointed that the codex issue had not been released yet, but that I am waiting patiently for it to arrive. I love the codex and I think I am one of the few members here that has known the release dates of the last 3 or so issues and has waited patiently for each one of them. I enjoy reading all the articles, strategies, and stories. Please don't mistake simple questions/comments as attacks on the codex staff. If it wasn't for Atmosphro and his group I would have to spend hours scrounging around this place (more time than I have) to find the stuff I was looking for.

Atmosphro, I appreciate all your hours of hard work in bringing us this great magazine. Thank you and keep up the good work. If I ever find some time I will start puting all my ideas down on paper and come up with some of my own submissions.

If anyone has read this who post thank you for listening.

[gatewaysysop]

It's not unfair to ask for a status update once a second deadline has been passed, is it?

That's it right there. How can you have a deadline, per se, if there is no consequence for not having it released at some arbitrary date that the authors have set for themselves?

It is not only unfair, but unreasonable. This publication is strictly volunteer. There is no profit to be made.

Why is this so difficult for you to comprehend, unless you're just trolling?

Are you really suggesting that just because there's no profit in it, people lose their right to ask for an update once the publishing date/target/goal/deadline/whatever has passed? Even if those requests for an update are accompanied by offers to help if needed? You can't possibly be serious.

If you honestly think that's unreasonable, then I believe your perception of 'reasonable' must be a far cry from most people's and certainly from mine. Since the Codex staff has indeed provided an update following the passage of the latest deadline, it appears that asking for an update wasn't that unreasonable after all (they certainly haven't suggested as such).

You can call me a troll if you want, but I'm not the one being negative. I asked for an update and like others I offered to help twice now. How many times have you offered to help in this thread? I see none. How many times have you engaged in name-calling and ad hominem? Several.

Tell you what, can we just behave like adults and agree to disagree here, for the sake of ending the discussion on good terms? It's not my goal to change your mind or anyone else's and since the Codex staff has posted an update, I don't see the point in continuing this discussion anyway.

[mrbistro]

Just because someone with a few posts asks if anyone knows when the codex is coming out doesn't mean they are complaining, whining, being an armchair quarterback or any of the other plethora of negative adjectives that were thrown at them.

not to rag on them or you, ninthdoc, but if someone makes a promise they should keep it. Someone else made a very good point about this in another thread.

Leaving everyone wondering without even so much as an update to the website or a quick forum post is in poor taste and shows a lack of respect for one's readership.

I appreciate your feelings Kevin, but some people feel that if you get sick you're being dishonest and showing disrespect to them. This isn't a true staff working out of an office, it's a few dedicated volunteers. One person getting sick can shut down the whole production, and frankly, if someone is seriously ill I hope they would take care of themselves before worrying about consumers stamping their feet.

Time for this to get locked.

EDIT: Whoops, someone beat me to it.