Krug on the Bridge: Official Answer

[happyjosiah]

Just got this email:

Discussion Thread
Response (Chris) 08/08/2006 09:15 AM
Hi Josiah,

Thank you for contacting Hasbro previously with your question on Heroscape! I sincerely apologize for the delay in my response, but I now have an official answer to your question.

To refresh your memory, your pending question was in regards to Krug fitting on the bridge.

Per the design team, a figure must be able to fit on a space completely in order to move through/onto that space. Since Krug leans on the bridge and does not sit flat on it when the walls are in place, that would be an area that he cannot walk onto. Consider the bridge (with both walls attached) a Krug Safe Zone.

If there is anything else I can help you with, or if you have any further game play questions, please visit www.hasbro.com or respond to this e-mail.

[Aranas]

This confirms that the figures must be considered static. The shape of the figure IS important. Nylfheim's movement IS limited by its shape and so on...

Thanks for posting. Glad to see you are still around.

Note: It should be merged in the section called " Transcripts of email to Hasbro"

[Bannister]

HOLLY CRAP BATMAN!! Its HJ.

How the heck are you sir???

:D

Bannister

[LilNewbie]

Hiya HJ! Glad you are still around. Thanks for posting the answer. Glad they are starting to sift through the mail. Craig probably didn't want to be bombarded this week by all the "why aren't the questions being answered?" etc. etc. :D

I do like the ruling as it keeps the simplicity of the game intact...now if they would only change their mind about a figure blocking his own LOS. :D (Yeah, yeah....I know :deadhorse: )

Newb.

[ninthdoc]

Great to see you back, HJ. The answer is what we would have expected as this is spelled out in the master set rules.

Unfortunately, the issue at hand was that some Krugs fit and some don't. This causes a larger problem when playing the game. What if two opponents both field Krug and one fits, but the other does not? That was the root of the discussion when this first came up some months ago, IIRC.

Edit, I just saw this: newb, when did you become and "Oxymoron"?

[LilNewbie]

...

Edit, I just saw this: newb, when did you become and "Oxymoron"?

Bunjee slapped me with a new title after answering a question about shirt sizes...

I like it...it's so me. Especially the last part of the word. :D

Newb.

[hextr1p]

Unfortunately, the issue at hand was that some Krugs fit and some don't.
Exactly. There seem to be Krug variants out there; some that fit the bridge and some that don't.

However, because this is an 'official' ruling, I wonder if this means that Krug is not allowed on a one-hex wide bridge with walls, regardless of your fig fitting. Of course, this 'official' ruling would only stand in the area of official tournament play... because my Krug fits on the bridge, and he likes to be on the bridge!! He is a Troll, afterall.

I like it...it's so me. Especially the last part of the word.
"On"...?

;)

[ultradoug]

sure YOUR happy, but think about pour Krug...

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f348/coolmondoug/nokrug.jpg

[Aranas]

:rofl:

[ninthdoc]

Okay, fine. It can be another "official" ruling. I'd rate it right up there with the Q9 Quagmire they gave us. If my Krug can't get on a bridge, they need to come up with some official rule ot allow Krug to demolish said bridge.

My Krug will be on the bridge. I have 5 of them, so if one doen't fit, I'll switch to another one. I have some major Krug-Love going on. Well that one's gonna git folks talkin'...

[ultradoug]

ninthdoc and Krug sitting in a tree. K i s s i n g first comes love then comes marrage, but you can't cross the bridge so the realionship breaks up.

[LilNewbie]

Just yell "KRUG SMASH!!" and promptly remove the bridge from the game (especially if the opponent has figures on the bridge! That would be cool. :D

Newb.

[allskulls]

I have some major Krug-Love going on. Well that one's gonna git folks talkin'...
*Waits for UD epic. :popcorn:

[allskulls]

ATF = A Troll F...Friend :wink:

[ninthdoc]

ATF = A Troll F...Friend :wink:

:rofl:

http://www.lancasterbarkatthepark.org/images/blueribbonarial.gif

[allskulls]

OT

For some reason I am noticing post counts today...ninth, did you have a 1000th post party?

[ninthdoc]

No, I hit it this morning, but I didn't make a big deal out of it...

I'M GOING TO GENCON, BABY!!!

[GaryLASQ]

I have some major Krug-Love going on.
you know, if you spread those walls out nice and wide, Krug will fit afterall.

great image UD. :lol:

seriously though, i don't mind the static approach to figs. a fig that doesn't fly needs to fit each step of the way, not just on the ending space. for example, there are several figs that can't hug the ruins as they move around them.

[Annerios]

At least it looks like he'll fit through the castle door!

http://upload4.postimage.org/807148/krug_siege.jpg (http://upload4.postimage.org/807148/photo_hosting.html)

[pashadowops]

Unfortunately, the issue at hand was that some Krugs fit and some don't.
Exactly. There seem to be Krug variants out there; some that fit the bridge and some that don't.

However, because this is an 'official' ruling, I wonder if this means that Krug is not allowed on a one-hex wide bridge with walls, regardless of your fig fitting. Of course, this 'official' ruling would only stand in the area of official tournament play... because my Krug fits on the bridge, and he likes to be on the bridge!! He is a Troll, afterall.

I like it...it's so me. Especially the last part of the word.
"On"...?

;)

Don't Trolls prefer to be under the bridges? They lay in wait for and ambush. Hey that would be a cool special...If Krug is positioned under a bridge and another character is crossing it, Krug could roll a D20 and depending on the roll could get a free attack or at least an attack with a reduced defender roll.....hmmm...what do you think?

[ninthdoc]

Unfortunately, the issue at hand was that some Krugs fit and some don't.
Exactly. There seem to be Krug variants out there; some that fit the bridge and some that don't.

However, because this is an 'official' ruling, I wonder if this means that Krug is not allowed on a one-hex wide bridge with walls, regardless of your fig fitting. Of course, this 'official' ruling would only stand in the area of official tournament play... because my Krug fits on the bridge, and he likes to be on the bridge!! He is a Troll, afterall.

I like it...it's so me. Especially the last part of the word.
"On"...?

;)

Don't Trolls prefer to be under the bridges? They lay in wait for and ambush. Hey that would be a cool special...If Krug is positioned under a bridge and another character is crossing it, Krug could roll a D20 and depending on the roll could get a free attack or at least an attack with a reduced defender roll.....hmmm...what do you think?

I think you're racially profiling Trolls.

[ultradoug]

No, I hit it this morning, but I didn't make a big deal out of it...

I'M GOING TO GENCON, BABY!!!

I WARNED YOU!

...

[ultradoug]

Doc said "The longest post on this tread to date."
...
-Warning full screen comming up!! OH CRAP..-

"The End of the Circle"

Nindoc took out the old, rusty key one last time. As he locked the lock he sighed hevely. He turned to his old friend, "Well, thats it, its been fun."

UltraDoug sighed, "I know, he would have been proud to see this day." He bent down and put a black rose next to the plaque, he dusted it off.

"He deserves better then this small thing." UltraDoug muttered.

"Its all he asked for," Nindoc said.

"Sleep well Sev." UltraDoug said reading the simple phrase `In Remberance. Sev, freind, Clone.'

The two friends patted each other on the back as they walked off into the night.

An old woman shook her head. Looking at the deserted bar. She yelled out loudly into the night, in rage. No one heard her or cared.

RichVr steped off the train, walking to his next gig.
He couldn't shake the feeling he was being followed.
He turned a corrner and stoped, reaching for his lazer.

A man bumped into his back and RichVr turned fast, knocking him to the ground.

"OW! Darn it Vr! Argh. My butt!" The man stood and RichVr burst out laughing, "HappyJ! Man, I almost shot you."

"You might still shoot me Vr..." HappyJosh said, "I bring bad news," He shook his head, "They closed it."

RichVr's eyes widened, his mouth felt dryer then the dryest desert, "...no." He coughed out.

Minonchomp stood at the high cliff.
He looked down, and folded his wings up.
He jumped.
He could spread his wings.
He could fly.
But there was no point.
As he fell he wondered if there had ever been a point.

Screamingtruth blinked. It was 2am. He was still awake.
He had been awake for 3 weeks now. He was still working, he could not stop working. Nothing could stop him, he had to finnish his work, he had to finnish the machine. He had to. It was all he had left.

Cupidsart put the brush down, his arm was tired, his hand was tired, his nose no longer could smell anything, he had been around the paint too long. He wiped away the sweat and steped back, his masterpice was finnished, a life sized oil paint of Sev with full battle armor, standing in front of Nindoc's Tavern. He smiled, as he put the name of the master work on it, `Heros never die.'

UltraDoug got home, and tryed once again to contact his good friend, Screamingtruth, who was still online acording to Yehoo, but he was not saying anything, he had not said anything for weeks. "I'm worryed about him," He muttered, "I'm worryed about them all, nothings been the same since we closed the place." He looked at the picture hanging on his wall, "Why did you have to jump in front of that lazer you fool?" He muttered to the picture of Sev, "Baka. Baka. Baka. Iddot."

Funrun's rage was like no other, her sceem echoed in the night, she was so old now, but age had not dimmished her beatuy nor her intelagence, nor her anger. But the scream had dammmaged her vocal cords, and she had to rest. But not before she blew up the bloody place. To forget once and for all. She set the explosives. And waited. She would let the explosion take her too. As the bar flew to bits she did too, her rage finaly finnished in a blase of glory.

Screamingtruth fell down, passed out. His machine was done. He couldn't think anymore, but heard the beep of the Instant Message again, it was UltraDoug, he was trying to contact him, he had to tell him, had to..
faiding away... losing... consciousness...

"Have .. too... contact.." He muttered, pressing keys was like moving bolders. He slowly hit three keys... it would have to be enough for UltraDoug to understand, because he had collapsed on the floor.

Nindoc got home, he hung the keys up where he had so meny times, laughing to himself, why he bothered with them was beound him. But habbits die hard, "Ah well." He muttered as he went to his favorate chair to sit in, he sat and started to look at the fourm for the bar, he was going to shut that down too. There was no reasion to run it anymore was there?

UltraDoug scratched his head.

"What the bane?" He read it again and again, Screamingtruth had final said something, but he could not make any sence of it, he sent a message to his friend Cupidsart, "Does this make any sence to you?" He asked him.

Cupidsart looked at it with dissablife, "Your serous?" He asked.

"Yes. What is it?" UltraDoug asked.

"Its the way for us to get him back!" He exclamed, "I'm on my way!"

Soon Cupidsart was at UltaDougs house, and was inside.

"Show me." He said.

UltraDoug showed him the screen, "See. Thats it, just `TM' whatever that is."

"UltraDoug I thought you were into that... come on.... Time Machine!"

UltraDougs' eyes went wide and a smiled filld his face, "How fast can we get to Screamingtruths place?"

They were there faster then you would think, and had to break the door down.

"Screamingtruth!" Cupidart and UltaDoug yelled out seeing him passed out on the floor, a strange machine in front of him was glowing.

His eye opened and he smiled, "Zzzzz..." He said falling back to sleep.

"Figures." UltraDoug muttered, "Well lets see if we can figure this thing out."

The two spend the better part of the month to figure it out, in that time Screamingtruth had gotten up but only to goto the bathroom, they managed to get him into bed finaly and get some watter in him so he would'nt be dehydrated.

Cupidsart cursed again, "I hate this thing!" He yelled out.

UltraDoug rolled his eyes, "Come on, its not that bad, look we just nead to put that omeglon converter into that gegacomplex and I think that should do it."

"No, what about the - the.. the thing over there! GAH I hate these terms in his notes!!" He tossed down the notes Screamingtruth had writen.

"Temper my friend, we will get this." The two friends worked into that night and were finaly ready.

"Lets do it." UltraDoug said, as he steped inside.

"Uhh there isnt room for me," Cupidsart said.

"I know, your working the controls." UltraDoug said.

"What?!" Cupidsart consedered that for awhile, "O.k. you were there. You should go." He looked upset.

"I have to do this." UltraDoug, "It was my falt."

"Good luck." Cupidsart threw the swtiches, pluged in the plugs, and turned nobs.

UltraDoug dissapered into time.

....................................................

Years earlyer.


Sev was guarding the bar as he always did, Funrun had just sliped him a paper and made some moves that had UltraDoug's eyes pop out as he fainted.

Nindoc was just laughing and serving a brew to Minonchompy.

He saw UltraDoug, Minonchompy stood up and pulled his lazer, "Sorry my friend..." He muttered, UltraDoug was to busy drooling over Funrun to notice, "Its the only way I can get enough money for my family..." He cryed as he aimed.

Sev saw the lazer as Minonchompy aimed it at UltraDoug and jumped in the air...

UltraDoug's fucture self appered behind Minonchompy just then, and knocked the Lazer aside, the beem hit the wall leaving a mark, "YES!" He exclamed, "Wait, time paradox... oh crap.." UltraDoug's fucture self faided from view, "Must make it a nonparadox or it will destroy time line, TM!" He yelled out. In the back Screamingtruth heard that and his eyebrow went up, "Time Machine..humm... why not..." He started out the door to make plans for one. Meenwhile Sev had grabed Minonchompy and was leading him to jail.

"Wait Sev, he was just doing it for money, Minonchompy we are all family here- we will help you."

Minonchompy cryed, "I- I didn't think you guys cared about me like that."

"Of course, we all love each other here, some more then others," He smiled at Funrun who just sighed.

"Serously." UltaDoug said patting him on the back.

RichVr came out of the bacement just then, "Did I miss anything?"

Sev shook his head, "Nothing at all, we were just starting a collection for Minonchompy."

"Maybe Cupidsart can make some awsome painting of our hero here and sell it for money!" Minonchompy said.

"Good idea, I'll call him and tell him to make one called.. humm..." UltraDoug traled off.

Nindoc came forward with some drinks, "How about, heros never die?"

Everyone smiled. That was a great name for a painting.

Sev felt odd, felt somehow things had been rewriten for him, but he didn't care he was with great friends, in Nindocs bar.

"Oh, Minonchompy, how much is this going to cost?" Sev asked.

"180 thousand!!!!" He examed.

"Man." Sev said shaking his head, looking at UltraDoug, "Someone is willing to pay alot to have you killed man."

UltraDoug just smiled, "Weird, they should know better."

"Whys that?" Nindoc asked.

"I don't cost THAT much."

[happyjosiah]

Yes, I'm still around. Lurking mostly, but I will be back to posting soon. I am doing very well. I have an internship and some sidework designing websites. I am also finishing a flash animation and trying to get a card game published. While helping plan my wedding. School may actually give me enough of a reprieve to get back to my old posting habits. Thanx for the kind words. Cya round. Unless you lose weight.

[ultradoug]

Cool, injoy marrage!! WOOO wait to have kids @_@
!!!! AHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

[jcb231]

Unfortunately, the issue at hand was that some Krugs fit and some don't.
Exactly. There seem to be Krug variants out there; some that fit the bridge and some that don't.

However, because this is an 'official' ruling, I wonder if this means that Krug is not allowed on a one-hex wide bridge with walls, regardless of your fig fitting. Of course, this 'official' ruling would only stand in the area of official tournament play... because my Krug fits on the bridge, and he likes to be on the bridge!! He is a Troll, afterall.

I like it...it's so me. Especially the last part of the word.
"On"...?

;)

Don't Trolls prefer to be under the bridges? They lay in wait for and ambush. Hey that would be a cool special...If Krug is positioned under a bridge and another character is crossing it, Krug could roll a D20 and depending on the roll could get a free attack or at least an attack with a reduced defender roll.....hmmm...what do you think?

I think you're racially profiling Trolls.

Damn troll racists. The NAAHT will be all over this.

That's National Association for the Advancement of Huge Trolls, of course.

[K/H_Addict]

I like it...it's so me. Especially the last part of the word.
"On"...?

;)


Great minds think alike? i was in the process of posting that when i went down insead of up for some odd reason, and noticed your post.

[ultradoug]

What about NAMIT! The National Association of MinI Trolls.

[reapersaurus]

Well, it seems like the obvious solution for these simplistic figure-based decisions would be to simply bend your Krug a bit so that he can move places that other Krug figures can. :roll:

Wanna play Major Q9 without the terrible idea that his shoulders block his LOS?
Just cut off the game-restricting shoulder pads that render him too weak to warrant 180 points, and you're good to go!

The designers sole thought with all these rulings is SIMPLICITY, for a 8 year old, guys.
I wouldn;t base tournament rules on them - remember - they officially don't give a crap about competetive play, and their company does not support such an endeavor.

Why are we listening to rulings that are intended for 8 year old gameplay? :shrug:

[Kepler]

The designers sole thought with all these rulings is SIMPLICITY, for a 8 year old, guys.
I wouldn;t base tournament rules on them - remember - they officially don't give a crap about competetive play, and their company does not support such an endeavor.

Why are we listening to rulings that are intended for 8 year old gameplay? :shrug:

:rofl:

Well said.

[hextr1p]

Why are we listening to rulings that are intended for 8 year old gameplay?
True. However, these are the official rules according to the company. The questions asked are asked specifically with the intent to see how the game is supposed to be played according to the designers and Hasbro, as well as to alleviate some of the tensions that arise when such situations come up. While it's safe to say that not everyone will agree with these rulings, it's also pretty safe to say that you don't have to use these rulings when you do play among friends or others who agree with your personal take on the rules.

However, if you were to take your personal opinion on how certain rules should be played into an unofficial tournament outside of your gaming group, I would think these official rulings would hold rank over one's personal opinions, unless said opinions over-rule the official rulings from the start.

All obvious points, I know.

[ultradoug]

*pats reaper on the head*
Becuase we wannna be a toys r us kid.
more lava oh boy!
"mommy, why does my lava have this weird mans head saying HOT LAVA DEATH?"
"oh dear... why I NEVER! Timmy put that back!"
"I DONT WANNA I WANT IT NOW!"
"---fine! Just wait untill your father hears about this!"

[jcb231]

What about NAMIT! The National Association of MinI Trolls.

Or NAMBLA! What about them?

[ultradoug]

doesnt sound like a curse word.
:p
you lose -99 coolness.
better luck next time, thanks for playing.

[CornPuff]

Hmm. Do they allow Microwaves at Gencon?

If I just nuke Krug for 30 seconds before my move, he'll fit anywhere!

[jcb231]

doesnt sound like a curse word.
:p
you lose -99 coolness.
better luck next time, thanks for playing.

Obviously not a Daily Show fan....so sorry. :-P

[Revdyer]

Hmm. Do they allow Microwaves at Gencon?

If I just nuke Krug for 30 seconds before my move, he'll fit anywhere!

Uh, CornPuff, do you realize what an invitation "he'll fit anywhere" is for lewd suggestions of just where to fit Krug? :)

[GaryLASQ]

the dirty creature already entered my brain. (page 2 of this thread)
you know, if you spread those walls out nice and wide, Krug will fit afterall.