Can I get a ruling? DW8K vs. Stealth Armor

[shadowhacker]

Look i was playing a game last night with my mates and he was using the deathwalker 800 9the one with radip fire) anyways he had offed my entrie army (i use only squads and johhny english...oh wait shot gun sulliven yeah we call them alot of diffrent names) anyway he had moved them all down to the microcorp agents i had, he killed them but i rolled there armor thing but they ruled that due to its wordintg the wound was there and he got to attack the untis again...so whos right?

[netherspirit]

So let me see if I can decipher this...

He has DW8K shooting your Micorp Agents. He kills one but you rolled successfully with the armor?

The wound is ignored, its like it never happened, so that should have stopped DW8K. Anyone else got input?

[LilNewbie]

The agents ignore the wound if they make the roll so the wound did not happen. Since the wound did not count and DW8K stops rolling.

Newb.

[thehandofzarquon]

So let me see if I can decipher this...

He has DW8K shooting your Micorp Agents. He kills one but you rolled successfully with the armor?

The wound is ignored, its like it never happened, so that should have stopped DW8K. Anyone else got input?
Hmm... this is an interesting question. Technically, for the Stealth Armor ability to trigger, DW8k would have had to inflict a wound first... but the Stealth Armor would negate that wound. For now, I'd say that DW8k would have to stop.

If it was Brunak it would be a little clearer whether or not he could continue (since the Agent wouldn't have been destroyed).

[LilNewbie]

Here is the ability text:

STEALTH ARMOR 15

When a Microcorp Agent receives one or more wounds, before removing that agent, roll the 20-sided die. If you roll a 15 or higher, ignore any wounds.

(emphasis mine)

I don't think there is much room for interpretation on this point. The ability states "ignore any wounds". Since they are ignored they aren't inflicted. The wounds only affect (or inflicted on) the agent if the Stealth Armor roll is failed.

Newb.

[CornPuff]

Hmm... this is an interesting question. Technically, for the Stealth Armor ability to trigger, DW8k would have had to inflict a wound first... but the Stealth Armor would negate that wound. For now, I'd say that DW8k would have to stop.

If it was Brunak it would be a little clearer whether or not he could continue (since the Agent wouldn't have been destroyed).

Yup, that's the problem in a nutshell.

I swear we resolved this earlier, which irks me, but I can't find it right now. I'm 70% sure that the community resolved that the wound never happens, so 8k stops shooting.

Argh, unless we start getting boatloads of clarifications from Hasbro, I'd say we ought to throw up polls, and then list the result in the FAQ.

[CornPuff]

Newb, its about triggers. DW8k does inflict a wound, or else there would be nothing to ignore.

The real question, is whether stealth armor allows you ignore the infliction of those wounds. I guess with a literal reading, the agents could have wound markers placed on their card, but they won't die, because they ignore them.

In a more narrative sense, does Stealth Armor allow them to never get hit in the first place, or does it allow the agent to get wounded, but keeps them combat capable?

anyway, search and me aren't friends right now, but if somebody finds the collosal stealth armor thread, let me know

[LilNewbie]

From the Heroscape.com website FAQ:


If a Microcorp Agent uses their Stealth Armor 15 to ignore the wound(s) inflicted by Deathwalker 8000's Rapid Fire Special Attack, can he keep attacking?
No, if the Microcorp Agent ignores the wound it is the same as blocking it with a shield. The wound was never received, so Deathwalker 8000's Special Attack would stop there.

Newb.

[ninthdoc]

If Deathwalker's Rapid Fire Special Attack inflicts a wound, he may attack again with his Rapid Fire Special Attack. Deathwalker may continue attacking with his Rapid Fire Special Attack until he does not inflict a wound.

inflict -
1 : AFFLICT
2 a : to give by or as if by striking <inflict pain> b : to cause (something unpleasant) to be endured

afflict -
1 obsolete a : HUMBLE b : OVERTHROW
2 a : to distress so severely as to cause persistent suffering or anguish <afflicted with arthritis> b : TROUBLE, INJURE
synonyms AFFLICT, TRY, TORMENT, TORTURE, RACK mean to inflict on a person something that is hard to bear. AFFLICT is a general term and applies to the causing of pain or suffering or of acute annoyance, embarrassment, or any distress <ills that afflict the elderly>. TRY suggests imposing something that strains the powers of endurance or of self-control <children often try their parents' patience>. TORMENT suggests persecution or the repeated inflicting of suffering or annoyance <a horse tormented by flies>. TORTURE adds the implication of causing unbearable pain or suffering <tortured by a sense of guilt>. RACK stresses straining or wrenching <a body racked by pain>.

IMO, there was a wound scored, but not inflicted. Infliction inferes affliction. The unit stands unafflicted by DW8K, therefore no wound was inflicted.

I realize that the wording could be taken out of context, but let's face it: we don't put wound markers on units and say, "I'm ignoring that." The purpose of the Stealth Armor is to deflect blows that could potentially damage the unit. No damage = no blow = no wound = no continued attack.

shado whacker, your buddy's a rules lawyer and we all know what Shakespeare said about them, "Kill all the <rules> lawyers," (Henry VI, Part 2, William Shakespeare).

Edit (newb posted whilst I was writing and researching):

Oh, sure, newb, if you want to put something so simple an 8 year old would play this game just write that! :roll: :shock: :lol: 8)

[CornPuff]

awesome. I didn't know it was official.

Anyway, I finally found the thread:
http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=38&start=20&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=
I think our search function needs help, it was the last result of 8 pages, and it just happened to have my query term "stealth armor" in the title.

[netherspirit]

awesome. I didn't know it was official.

Anyway, I finally found the thread:
http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=38&start=20&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

I think our search function needs help, it was the last result of 8 pages, and it just happened to have my query term "stealth armor" in the title.

If you check the "Search for all terms" box it only returns one page. :P

I will have to rewrite my "How to use the search feature" post that was on the HQ.

Nice grab on the official ruling Newb. Stupid me for not checking there first.

[LilNewbie]

... (some nice research/documentation supporting the ruling)

Edit (newb posted whilst I was writing and researching):

Oh, sure, newb, if you want to put something so simple an 8 year old would play this game just write that! :roll: :shock: :lol: 8)

Hey, I'm a Newb....me likes it simple. :D

Newb.

[Command-and-Conquer]

I think that no wounds are delt. Plain and simple.

[jcb231]

On a side note, what is up with your post? Were you riding on a rickety bus and watching tv and talking on the phone and typing all at the same time and just putting things down as they popped into your brain? That is the most distracted and random pile of words I've seen in a while. You're lucky we were able to decipher it, or you'd have gotten no help.

I'm not intending to be insulting there, but for pete's sake man, think through what you want to say before you hit the keys.

[Roufus]

I concur.
People should realize the difficulty of reading a post (length, sensibility, etc) has an inverse relationship to the amount of people who are going to actually read it.
I read half of the thing and gave up. I read down to see someone who would be more patient than I would and be kind enough to restate it.

LIFE TOO SHORT TO READ GARBLED WORDS!

[jcb231]

It's the txt msg generation. Damn these kids today! :-P

[Revdyer]

<rocking away in his rickety old chair> eyah, you tell 'em, jcb231, why, when I was a young lad, if we had typed something like that, we would have been horse whipped both directions in the snow.

[Roufus]

"Fun Fact nothing typed by someones thumbs has ever been important."
-Gin Rummy

[pashadowops]

See, and my wife tells me I'm anal about making sure my spelling and grammar are as close to being correct as possible.

[Roufus]

Shoot, when I textmessage I'll even add apostraphes.
As much as a pain in the butt that is.
d00d!!!!!1!!!!1!11

[shadowhacker]

yor bitching avbout my grammer arent you....yeah its a few conditions i haved combined with the fact i type put my thought prosesses exactly. Wich leads to a lot of confusing times.

[jcb231]

Well, stop doing that then. :-P

[Revdyer]

Syntax, grammar, spelling, punctuation: these are the friends, not the enemies of the literate, thinking person. (And, yeah, I'm an old fart saying this.) Not to mention vocablulary. Oh, don't get me going on vocabulary! :lol:

[Roufus]

Youngsters...
Can memorise all sorts of intricate vernacular for games and such...
But can't be bothered to spell 'the' correctly.
Or expand their vocabulary beyond ebonics, vulgarity, and/or the third grade level.

I blame the parents.
Don't expect much out of your kids, watch them become substandard.

[Aranas]

I am amazed at how badly youngsters write. The exact same thing can be said in Quebec about French (my nephew is a perfect example of this :roll: ). English is my second language but, after months reading posts on HeroScapers, I can sadly say I write a better English then to many youngsters here... I think it is related to the new generation not wanting to put EFFORTS in things. And yes, parents have a part of the blame in this.

[markwars]

I blame Canada. :P

[Aranas]

I blame Canada. :P
Hehehe. :lol:

[Bannister]

I blame Canada. :P

Surrender pronto, or we'll level Toronto!

Bannister

[Aranas]

I blame Canada. :P

Surrender pronto, or we'll level Toronto!

Bannister
Toronto? No problem with me. 8)

[ninthdoc]

Youngsters...
Can memorise all sorts of intricate vernacular for games and such...
But can't be bothered to spell 'the' correctly.
Or expand their vocabulary beyond ebonics, vulgarity, and/or the third grade level.

I blame the parents.
Don't expect much out of your kids, watch them become substandard.

Wut teh h311 r u talking about?

[markwars]

Wut teh h311 r u talking about?

:lol:

I think that there are plenty of youngsters that take pride in their grammar. I also think that there are plenty of old bastards that don't.

[Startoker]

If DW-8000 inflicts a wound (and destroys the figure) may he fire at another figure that is within range using the rapid-fire special attack.

[Aranas]

Yes

[Roufus]

I concur.

[jcb231]

I also concur.