Heath Ledger as the Joker: PIC / TEASER 1st post!

[hextr1p]

A report from SuperHeroHype.com states that Heath Ledger is going to play the Joker in the next Batman movie.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/batmannews.php?id=4518

I think he can pull it off. But what does everyone else think of this? Or do you really care?

[Grungebob]

You know sometimes I think they will cast anybody in these roles!! Thye don't care if the actor fits the part. I remember when Tom Cruise was to play the Vampire Lestat!! I was like :wtf!: :screwy:

[netherspirit]

I will trust in Christopher Nolan's choice. He hasn't let me down yet. If he thinks Ledger makes the best Joker then so be it. I will wait and see before geting all huffy about it.

[hextr1p]

You know sometimes I think they will cast anybody in these roles!! Thye don't care if the actor fits the part. I remember when Tom Cruise was to play the Vampire Lestat!! I was like :wtf!: :screwy:
I thought the same when I heard of Cruise being cast as Lestat. However, he did a decent job with the role. He wasn't amazing, but he did a LOT better than I thought he would.

[netherspirit]

Also, no matter who he would have cast in the role he would have gotten flack for it. Everyone is going to be comparing this Joker to Jack's portrayl of the joker. So no matter what there would have been moaning and groaning about that part...

[jcb231]

This isn't 100% yet, so things could change.

I for one, think he could do it, depending where Nolan goes with the character. I'd love to see a truly insane, frightening Joker, not the clown prince of the silver age and cartoons, and not the Jack Nicholson version, which was great to watch but way too over the top to be really cool.

I want a joker that chills me the way Hannibal Lecter did the first time I saw Silence of the Lambs.

I think Heath could do that, but I'd also trust Sean Penn or Johnny Depp. Heath is just a bit young....which worries me that they may be going for someone who's younger and buffer and presumably better able to fight. The joker shouldn't be about hand-to-hand violence.

[Havokscry]

I didn't like Jack's Joker. I think the problem with movies that come out of DC Comics is that the directors can take whatever liberties they want to with the comics. Having the Joker killing Bruce Wayne's parents was about the dumbest thing Tim Burton ever did in movies. That being said, I'm fine with Heath Ledger, although he really doesn't have the look. I would prefer Adrien Brody.

[Drumline3469]

I think Heath kind of has the look. Johnny Depp could do the character better than anyone in the business but he definately doesn't have the look. Depp would be an interesting choice. He's good at the character type roles like Sparrow and Wonka. Heath will do great IMO. Welp that's my 2 cents.

[Grungebob]

I think they should get Will Smith to play the Joker.

[ninthdoc]

I think they should get Will Smith to play the Joker.

Yeah, it's not like Will Smith has ever played James West or something... :screwy:

[Grungebob]

I think they should get Will Smith to play the Joker.

Yeah, it's not like Will Smith has ever played James West or something... :screwy:Hahah!! Exactly my point!!!

[countblah]

The best joker ever = Mark Hamill. I'm not even kidding. I think that the animated Joker from "Mask of the Phantasm" was the best of them all. They totally nailed it with that portrayal. I compare every other Joker to that one, and they all come up lacking. I doubt Heath can equal that performance.

[Joah]

I was pulling for Crispen Glover. I disliked Both the Burton Batman films.

Don't try to re-invent the wheel.

Heath could work, way too early to tell.

I have to see the "smile".

[Agent Minivann]

It would be funny to see Keanu Reeves as the Joker purely based on the very early speculation of Reeves playing Batman when Batman Begins was first announced/rumored.

I haven't seen a lot of Ledger's stuff, but I'll give it a shot. Bruce Willis did a good job on Sixth Sense, so anything is possible.

[Tiberius]

I think they should get Mark Hamill to play him, he was the best voice on the animated series for the joker. He has years of experience with teh character already.

[Fallen Templar]

He hasn't let me down yet. yet :D

[yagyuninja]

I think they should get Mark Hamill to play him, he was the best voice on the animated series for the joker. He has years of experience with teh character already.

Yeah. I love Mark Hamil's joker.

[Grungebob]

I think they should get Will Smith to play the Joker.

Yeah, it's not like Will Smith has ever played James West or something... :screwy:Hahah!! Exactly my point!!!The cool thing about casting Will Smith as the joker is that he could do another one of those oh so catchy pop/rap songs to tie into the movie!! That would be sooo cool!!! :puke:

[ninthdoc]

I think they should get Will Smith to play the Joker.

Yeah, it's not like Will Smith has ever played James West or something... :screwy:Hahah!! Exactly my point!!!The cool thing about casting Will Smith as the joker is that he could do another one of those oh so catchy pop/rap songs to tie into the movie!! That would be sooo cool!!! :puke: :rofl:

[ultradoug]

Now this is a story all about how, Batman got turned upside down, I'd like to take a moment, just sit right there, I'll tell you how I became the Joker of Gotham.

(hip music plays)

In west side Gothem I spent most of my days, dressing up in costums and doing silly plays, chillin out maxin and cool, when then Batman came and made me look like a fool, stoped my evil plan cold, now its no joke, I don't understand why he's not broke.

(hip music plays)

So now I'm in Arcame where they treat the insain, and off goes Bats in that Batplane, sitting her pouting I've come up with a plan, this girl named Haylie she thinks I'm the man, together we bust out of here, get a bunch of cluelss henchmen and an extra or two, go out and comit anther crime, and I think I've run out of ryhimes, oh crap I can't belive this just now, this new kid in tights just said Holy Cow. I think I'm gonna have to get more help, one bats bad enough now Robins in the hood. But its ok, I've got a new plan, this cat girl here can help me out, maybe that guy with two face can scream and shout, oh but before I go, just one last thing, that batgirls a ho.

[hextr1p]

I think they should get Will Smith to play the Joker.
Never doubt the Smith!

http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/albums/userpics/10027/JokerSmith.jpg

;)

[ninthdoc]

It's frightening how good that actually looks. :bang:

[jcb231]

I didn't like Jack's Joker. I think the problem with movies that come out of DC Comics is that the directors can take whatever liberties they want to with the comics. Having the Joker killing Bruce Wayne's parents was about the dumbest thing Tim Burton ever did in movies. That being said, I'm fine with Heath Ledger, although he really doesn't have the look. I would prefer Adrien Brody.

Eh...I enjoyed Burton's take on it. Joker killing Bruce's parents didn't bother me in the least. It gave them a better connection for the movie.

[CupidsArt]

I guess I could see him pulling it off.

http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/albums/userpics/10077/normal_Jokeledger.jpg

[hextr1p]

I guess I could see him pulling it off.
You beat me to it. And that looks really good, by the way. Did you modify his eyebrows or smile at all? Though what about the clown paint lips? His smile is perfect for it. :D

http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/albums/userpics/10027/normal_Jokeledger_lips.jpg

[ultradoug]

I think they should get Will Smith to play the Joker.
Never doubt the Smith!

http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/albums/userpics/10027/JokerSmith.jpg

;)

LMAO! LOOLZZZZZ OH MY WORD!

dude, I should play the joker. (now get a pic of me and make me look joker)

[Malechi]

Being a fan of Batman: the Animated Series (I own about 10 original cells from the series, was 20 before the divorce ... lessons kids never get your spouse too involved with your hobbies!) and have to go with Mark Hamill on this one. For those not familliar with B:TAS, Hamill (yes, we are talking Luke Skywalker here) has the definitive voice for the Deranged Clown of Arkham. I kept thinking it must be another actor named Mark Hamill listed in the credits because there is no hint of Luke in the voice of the Joker. It is too perfect!

[boom]

I guess I could see him pulling it off.

http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/albums/userpics/10077/normal_Jokeledger.jpg

Hilarious, and he doesn't look half bad.

[Joah]

Being a fan of Batman: the Animated Series (I own about 10 original cells from the series, was 20 before the divorce ... lessons kids never get your spouse too involved with your hobbies!) and have to go with Mark Hamill on this one. For those not familliar with B:TAS, Hamill (yes, we are talking Luke Skywalker here) has the definitive voice for the Deranged Clown of Arkham. I kept thinking it must be another actor named Mark Hamill listed in the credits because there is no hint of Luke in the voice of the Joker. It is too perfect!

I LOVED the Animated series. Hamill was brillant as THE VOICE of the JOKER.

But, sadly, I don't think the actor Mark Hamill could anywhere near portray the Joker's facial expressions.

IMHO, that is a huge part of the character.


If Jack couldn't do it...

Luke Skywalker won't be able too either.

[jcb231]

Being a fan of Batman: the Animated Series (I own about 10 original cells from the series, was 20 before the divorce ... lessons kids never get your spouse too involved with your hobbies!) and have to go with Mark Hamill on this one. For those not familliar with B:TAS, Hamill (yes, we are talking Luke Skywalker here) has the definitive voice for the Deranged Clown of Arkham. I kept thinking it must be another actor named Mark Hamill listed in the credits because there is no hint of Luke in the voice of the Joker. It is too perfect!

It is the perfect voice, but I just can't see him actually on screen while doing it....I think it would look really odd, as his body doesn't fit the voice and he just doesn't look the part at all. It's perfect for a cartoon only I think.

I'm really hoping they go balls-to-the-wall full out, hard PG-13, maybe R with the next flick....I want Joker to be E-V-I-L and just a real sadistic nightmare of a guy. That's a side of Joker we haven't seen in any filmed medium I know of, but it's the basis for some of the best Joker stories, like The Killing Joke. Chaining a naked Gordon up and having midgets shock him with sticks while forcing him to watch footage of his daughter bleeding to death (for all he knows) from a paralyzing gunshot wound to the spine? There's even a slight implication that the Joker molests or rapes her while she's lying on the ground. That's sick. That's twisted. That's what the Joker should be. The stuff of nightmares.

Filling balloons with gas? Poisoning the water supply? Putting smiles on fish? Hijaking the warehouse where thye store all the giant props? Eh. Not so much. Nasty sure, entertaining yeah sometimes, but too cartoonishly super-villainish. I want a more personal, smaller scale story next time. Filmed Batman adventures are always so HUGE in threat and scope, whereas the comic tales are often very low key. Let's have Batman save just one life....Gordon. Or his own. Or just one child. Remember that episode of ER where Clooney tries to save that kid for most of the episode? That was my favorite ep in that whole series....if only Clooney's Batman had been that cool. People may say that kind of thing is not spectacular enough for a superhero movie, but it's worked in the comics for over 60 years. If its truly good, people will respond.

I want the Killing Joke, basically, if they are going to adapt a comic story.

[Agent Minivann]

Ledger looks pretty good as the Joker for just a simple photochop. Actual makeup...(shudders)

There's always the option of the Mark Hamill voice to a different actor's body (or even, dare I say, some CGI guy). Basically the same idea as the Joker from the cartoon, but adapted to a big screen live action movie.

Which Batman is Mark Hamill in? It's not the one that is out now, is it?

[Malechi]

I'm do not wish to respond to jcb231's post attacking Mark Hamill as jcb231's wanton desire to see molestation and rape by the Joker just down right freaked me out.


Which Batman is Mark Hamill in? It's not the one that is out now, is it?

No, Hamill does not voice the Joker in the series currenrtly out, titled simply "The Batman". Hamill originated the epitome of Joker voices for Batman: the Animated Series from the early 90's. I checked IMDB, Hamill has played the Joker in the following:

Batman: Mask of the Phantasm (1993) (Movie)
Batman: The Animated Series (1994) (TV Series)
Superman: The Animated Series (1997) (TV Series)
The Batman/Superman Movie (1998) (Movie)
"The New Batman Adventures" (1999) (TV Series)
Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker (2000) (Movie)
Batman: Vengeance (2001) (Video Game)
Static Shock (2002) (TV Series)
Birds of Prey (2002) (TV Series - Live Action)
Justice League (2003) (TV Series)
Batman: New Times (2005) (Movie)

[CupidsArt]

I guess I could see him pulling it off.
You beat me to it. And that looks really good, by the way. Did you modify his eyebrows or smile at all? Though what about the clown paint lips? His smile is perfect for it. :D

http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/albums/userpics/10027/normal_Jokeledger_lips.jpg

Nice work, :) Yeah I messed with his eyebrows a little but the contrast brought out that Smile all on it's own.

I didn't have enough time to do a great deal more, I was just going for basics so no real make-up, but you got it, ;)

[jcb231]

I didn't attack Mark Hamill as Joker....I think he has the perfect Joker voice for cartoons, and said so. I just don't think he looks the part or that his voice fits his body for a live-action movie. Just because someone's a great voice actor doesn't mean they should pull on a costume and play the part.

I don't want to see rape and molestation....I'm not a pervert. But if you read the killing joke it is sort of hinted that maybe he does....I'm not the first to think that looking at those panels. I just want the Joker to be truly evil. Not saturday morning cartoon evil. Not PG evil. I want him to be EVIL. I want him to be SCARY....not just to kids. People loved Hannibal Lecter in Silence of the Lambs because he was one of the most twisted bastards to come along in years, and because he was like a boogeyman for grown-ups....does that make them sick? Does that mean you should be freaked out by folks that liked that movie? No. It means people like to root for their screen heroes when they fight something truly big and bad. The threats need to scare us....they can't just be wacky cartoony mayhem, or we don't care if Batman wins, we're just strapped in for the roller coaster ride. I think the movies should emphasize the "Dark" part of the Dark Knight. All the most acclaimed Batman stories are DARK....go through the library: Year One, Killing Joke, Dark Knight Returns, etc...not the kind of stuff you'd make into Saturday morning cartoons or the Adam West show.

As much as I liked Batman Begins, I couldn't help but think the whole thing could have been animated, almost without edits, and made into a series of afternoon cartoons. It felt safe, in many ways.

I'm do not wish to respond to jcb231's post attacking Mark Hamill as jcb231's wanton desire to see molestation and rape by the Joker just down right freaked me out.


Which Batman is Mark Hamill in? It's not the one that is out now, is it?

No, Hamill does not voice the Joker in the series currenrtly out, titled simply "The Batman". Hamill originated the epitome of Joker voices for Batman: the Animated Series from the early 90's. I checked IMDB, Hamill has played the Joker in the following:

Batman: Mask of the Phantasm (1993) (Movie)
Batman: The Animated Series (1994) (TV Series)
Superman: The Animated Series (1997) (TV Series)
The Batman/Superman Movie (1998) (Movie)
"The New Batman Adventures" (1999) (TV Series)
Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker (2000) (Movie)
Batman: Vengeance (2001) (Video Game)
Static Shock (2002) (TV Series)
Birds of Prey (2002) (TV Series - Live Action)
Justice League (2003) (TV Series)
Batman: New Times (2005) (Movie)

[robaula]

Why have another Batman film with the Joker anyway? I am more than happy with the original Batman film with Jack Nicholson's portrayal of Joker, which I thought was top notch and excellent. Do we need another? Why not use a different villain that hasnt been in any of the Batman movies yet, like Scarface, or Z'ZaZZ (spelling, sorry..) for example?

[robaula]

Agree with Jcb231 about The Killing Joke making a great film idea - also agree about what he said about the "suggested" rape. When I first read it, that thought went through my mind and sent a shiver down my spine. The Joker has always been demented and bad (to put it lightly) but having it suggested that he was also a rapist as well as a killer psychopath somehow made him seem more sinister to me.

[jcb231]

Yeah, it does make him all of a sudden cross the line from "Haha that ol' comic book villain and his wacky doomed to fail hijinks with smiling fish and giant wacky props, what a naughty rascal he is." to "OMG you sick MotherF'ing bastard! Batman's gonna get yoooooouuuuu and it's not gonna be preeetttyyyy....." doesn't it?

I don't want to see Scarface at all in a movie....I think he's a lame villain. Zsaz was already in Batman Begins, and I think a cameo like that is all he's worth. He's just too minor.

I want to see Penguin in the next one, as has been suggested by some websites and mags. I'd like to see the sophisticated information broker, arms dealer side of Penguin...not the umbrella gimmick villain from the cartoons and silver age comics, nor the sewer freak from Burton's film. I wanna see the Penguin that's willing to sell anything to anyone, and even work with Batman if it makes him money in the end or knocks out a rival. I like the Penguin as like Batman's lapdog, the way he appears in some of the Batman stories post No-Man's Land.

I'd also like to see the Mad Hatter. I think he is one of the creepiest villains in the whole lineup. Read "Arkham Asylum" by Grant Morrison, or the recent Secret Six series to see the twistier sides of him. The mind control hats thing is kinda lame, but could also be really really freaky if done well.....surgical implants in the brain or something.

I think Two-Face is also a must-include....but they gotta set it up with Harvey Dent first, for at least one full movie, THEN go down the Two-Face road.

I don't want to see Killer Croc, Man-bat, or Mister Freeze....I've always found them a bit too campy.

Catwoman should make an appearance in a later film I think, once the taste of that Haley Berry disaster is gone. I want to see the sexy, tough Selina Kyle from Year One and the Long Halloween. Doing some adaptation of her exploits with the mob could be cool.

And above all....NO ROBIN. HE DOESN'T WORK IN LIVE ACTION. HE JUST DOESN'T!

[robaula]

Two Face...Penguin... cant get their previous film exploits out of my min. Penguin in Batman Returns was just boring and tedious, nothing like what he was in the comics. Two Face in Batman Forever (is that the right one?) just didnt strike right with me - too colourful and not menacing at all, but I reckon that was down to the fact that Jim Carey was playing next to him as The Riddler (spit spit)

[Tiberius]

I agree, batman should never be neon and that was what happened to him starting with the Tim Burton penguin/catwoman movie and that was oscar material compared to the twoface/riddler and poison ivey/Mr. Freeze fiascos that the final two movies from the 90's were. I really liked the Jack Nicholson film and really really liked the latest Batman Begins. I agree, the killing joke would be a great story but I dont know if it would be a good sell to hollywood execs because of its darkness. They target batman to kids and having that dark a version of the joker just isnt going to happen, in my opinion. Unfortunately.

[robaula]

Totally! Definately shouldnt be neon. I have seen Batman, Batman Returns, Batman Forever and Batman and Robin (but not Batman Begins - worth watching, is it?) and personally think that the first one is the only one that is any good and portrayed the sort of Batman that I wanted - and expected - to see in a movie. To make my biggest dream come true, though, would be if they either made a movie of The Dark Knight Returns or a string of movies of KnightFall... they would be tremendous to behold if done correctly, and would fit my vision of Batman completely.

[Tiberius]

Knightfall would be really good if done right. Get a little Azareal action. On the same lines I would like to seem them do Kraven's last hunt in a spiderman movie.

[CupidsArt]

Totally! Definately shouldnt be neon. I have seen Batman, Batman Returns, Batman Forever and Batman and Robin (but not Batman Begins - worth watching, is it?) and personally think that the first one is the only one that is any good and portrayed the sort of Batman that I wanted - and expected - to see in a movie. To make my biggest dream come true, though, would be if they either made a movie of The Dark Knight Returns or a string of movies of KnightFall... they would be tremendous to behold if done correctly, and would fit my vision of Batman completely.

I'd say it easily rivals the very first Batman movie, and I believe it follows the aura of Batman much closer.

[jcb231]

Totally! Definately shouldnt be neon. I have seen Batman, Batman Returns, Batman Forever and Batman and Robin (but not Batman Begins - worth watching, is it?) and personally think that the first one is the only one that is any good and portrayed the sort of Batman that I wanted - and expected - to see in a movie. To make my biggest dream come true, though, would be if they either made a movie of The Dark Knight Returns or a string of movies of KnightFall... they would be tremendous to behold if done correctly, and would fit my vision of Batman completely.

You haven't seen Batman Begins? Wow...get thee to a DVDtorium, son.

It's not perfect, but it basically redeems the whole franchise. It's a reboot, a totally new Batman series, not tied to the stuff from the 80s/90s.

[jcb231]

I don't think Knightfall would make a good movie at all.....it has sooooo many characters in it. They'd have to make after like 12 or more Batman movies, just to introduce everyone or else they'd just be pointless cameos.

Besides, I don't think Bane can work on screen without just seeming like a mean Nacho Libre.

[ninthdoc]

I disagree.

Get Benicio Del Toro to play Bane and CGI the "big" parts.

[jcb231]

I can't imagine that would look good...it hasn't so far.....Juggernaut looked like ass in X3, Mr. Hyde looked like ass in LOEG, Hulk looked like ass in Hulk. But whatever....to each his own.

Even without Bane, there's way too much going on in that to be a movie, I think.

[robaula]

You haven't seen Batman Begins? Wow...get thee to a DVDtorium, son.

It's not perfect, but it basically redeems the whole franchise. It's a reboot, a totally new Batman series, not tied to the stuff from the 80s/90s.

I will get it from work... can rent DVDs for free from work, but I've never got round to getting that one yet. Notice no-one mentioned the Batman from the 70s with Adam West... suppose it doesnt bear mentioning though!

[hextr1p]

... Hulk looked like ass in Hulk...
Seriously? I thought the CGI Hulk looked amazing. Some of the best CGI work I've seen in a movie. Unless you were talking about the Hulk movie with Lou Ferrigno... which in that case, yeah, he did look awful.

[robaula]

I must say also that I kinda liked the look of Hyde in LOEG.

[LilNewbie]

... Hulk looked like ass in Hulk...
Seriously? I thought the CGI Hulk looked amazing. Some of the best CGI work I've seen in a movie. Unless you were talking about the Hulk movie with Lou Ferrigno... which in that case, yeah, he did look awful.

I agree about the CGI Hulk, hextr1p! It looked awesome and I loved how they did the comic book frames for the cut scenes too. The story stank unfortunately. Even Jennifer Connelly couldn't help it. :D

Newb.

[ultradoug]

where is me as the Joker pic?!

bah.

also you know who would be cool in this movie?

Adam West.

[robaula]

where is me as the Joker pic?!

bah.

also you know who would be cool in this movie?

Adam West.

less said of Adam West's time as Batman the better, imo. :evil:

[jcb231]

Wow....I don't think I've ever heard someone say they liked the CGI Hulk. I walked out of that movie, and all around me folks were comparing him to a muscular gumby. Previews got the same reaction. Message board and comic shop discussions all went along the same craptacular lines too.

I can't believe someone thinks that was some of the best CGI work done in a movie....did you see Lord of the Rings? Pirates II? The recent Star Wars flicks? Sin City? King Kong?

[hextr1p]

Wow....I don't think I've ever heard someone say they liked the CGI Hulk. I walked out of that movie, and all around me folks were comparing him to a muscular gumby. Previews got the same reaction. Message board and comic shop discussions all went along the same craptacular lines too.

I can't believe someone thinks that was some of the best CGI work done in a movie....did you see Lord of the Rings? Pirates II? The recent Star Wars flicks? Sin City? King Kong?
Actually, the CGI Hulk was really all that people I talked to liked about the film. Personally, and I'm sure I'm the only one here, I liked the film over all. I liked how it was edited (with the comic frames, as Newb mentioned), the film was cast really well and the actors played their roles better than I anticipated, and the effects (yes, the effects) were well done, too. But again, that's just me.

Regarding the other films you mentioned, all except Pirates were done in a full CGI environment, where as the Hulk was often placed into true environments previously filmed. I'm not saying the CGI work was at all bad in the other films (all are amazing and all in my favs list), but the technique in which the Hulk movie was produced is different. So when discussing a CGI character placed into a non-rendered environment, yes, I believe that was some of the best work ever done. Even better than some of the shots in Pirates II.

[Joah]

Even without Bane, there's way too much going on in that to be a movie, I think. What they should do is cut it into three or four parts.
Release them as animated DVD's like Ultimate Avengers.
I think that would be huge succe$$.

I wasn't much of a Batman reader when they did that story.
But, like a lot of people, I read that one. It's good, but around the middle it starts to feel a little rushed. The DVD series could tell that story, while filling it out.

I know it probably won't happen, but I think it would be a good idea.

[ultradoug]

Adam West is batman forever!

[jcb231]

Wow....I don't think I've ever heard someone say they liked the CGI Hulk. I walked out of that movie, and all around me folks were comparing him to a muscular gumby. Previews got the same reaction. Message board and comic shop discussions all went along the same craptacular lines too.

I can't believe someone thinks that was some of the best CGI work done in a movie....did you see Lord of the Rings? Pirates II? The recent Star Wars flicks? Sin City? King Kong?
Actually, the CGI Hulk was really all that people I talked to liked about the film. Personally, and I'm sure I'm the only one here, I liked the film over all. I liked how it was edited (with the comic frames, as Newb mentioned), the film was cast really well and the actors played their roles better than I anticipated, and the effects (yes, the effects) were well done, too. But again, that's just me.

Regarding the other films you mentioned, all except Pirates were done in a full CGI environment, where as the Hulk was often placed into true environments previously filmed. I'm not saying the CGI work was at all bad in the other films (all are amazing and all in my favs list), but the technique in which the Hulk movie was produced is different. So when discussing a CGI character placed into a non-rendered environment, yes, I believe that was some of the best work ever done. Even better than some of the shots in Pirates II.

Always interesting to hear how varied folks reactions to movies and other media can be. Most folks I know couldn't stop ripping on that movie for months. Personally, I hated the comic panels. The only thing I like about that movie was Jennifer Connely being hot. And even that couldn't save it for me....and you know a movie's bad when Jennifer Connely's hotness can't save it.

I agree that Star Wars used a different technique in that it mostly CGI. Sin City used green screen to create fully CG environments with live actors, so it was fairly similar, just a step further. LOTR, on the other hand, used mostly location shots and miniatures. Gollum was a full CG creation that was integrated into location shots in all sorts of light and weather conditions....ditto for Davey Jones in Pirates. I thought both of those showed the way it should be done. Hulk, for me, always looked like a walking special effect. He never blended properly, for me. Whereas Gollum....Gollum I stopped thinking about him being a special effect, and just enjoyed his performance, as if he were a real creature. That, to me, was the real stamp of quality. I never felt anything for Hulk except "Wow, that's some crappy CG."

So what did you think of other big recent blockbusters? How'd you like Superman Returns?

[Malechi]

I find the rant on the CGI Hulk to be humorous. People were bitching about the extremely bad script/direction of the film, you would be hard pressed to find a dozen people who didn't like the CGI Hulk. It was the one and only redeeming feature of the movie!

Besides, I don't think Bane can work on screen without just seeming like a mean Nacho Libre.

Um, Bane was in the last 90's movie Batman and Robin.

http://members.aol.com/MPreston88/freeze1.jpg
Bane was played by the late Jeep Swenson and, yes, he did resemble Nacho Libre (that's "Free Chips" for those not fluent in California-speak)! It was very strange having Mr. Freeze the same size as Bane ...



One last note for jcb231: I just realized most (if not all) of my posts in this thread seemed argumentative towards you - I am not targeting you purposely, your posts just keep hitting the opposite to my own opinion ...

[robaula]

Hey... didnt remember that Bane was in Batman and Robin... I might have to (shudder) re watch it to see..

[ultradoug]

Bane!

[Agent Minivann]

Actually, the CGI Hulk was really all that people I talked to liked about the film. Personally, and I'm sure I'm the only one here, I liked the film over all. I liked how it was edited (with the comic frames, as Newb mentioned), the film was cast really well and the actors played their roles better than I anticipated, and the effects (yes, the effects) were well done, too. But again, that's just me.

I liked the Hulk as well; you're not alone. I loved the way it was put together. It was a whole package thing. I think a lot of people just didn't get it. I'm not saying that it was above the common folk, or something like that. Just that it struck a chord with some people, and it didn't with a much larger group. I ate it up.

Gollum was a full CG creation that was integrated into location shots in all sorts of light and weather conditions....ditto for Davey Jones in Pirates. I thought both of those showed the way it should be done. Hulk, for me, always looked like a walking special effect. He never blended properly, for me. Whereas Gollum....Gollum I stopped thinking about him being a special effect, and just enjoyed his performance, as if he were a real creature. That, to me, was the real stamp of quality. I never felt anything for Hulk except "Wow, that's some crappy CG."

I think that there was a large part of that that was intentional. If you think about the Hulk, he is a monstrosity that just shouldn't be real. If he blends in and fits, he kind of stops being the Hulk. I think that is something that really resonated with me in the movie. I thought that the CG was great, but he was intentionally made to look unnatural. From what I have seen of Ang Lee's work, that makes sense to me.

[Tiberius]

I liked the hulk as well, I actually own the movie and video game (which is a lot of fun by the way). I liked alot of the things they did with the movie like the screens and the CGI. Could it have been better? Sure, but it was good for what was out there. I enjoyed it even if I was the one of my friends that did. My wife hated it but she was only a fan of the Lou Ferigno one.

As far as Adam West goes, he rules. I loved that movie and the series, it was alot of fun to watch and it isnt afraid to make fun of itself. It was exactly what it was meant to be, fun and campy. Watch the commentary on the DVD for a good time.

[ultradoug]

Adam West as the Joker, come on I want to see more photoshop pics!

[Tiberius]

No Ceasar Romero!

[Agent Minivann]

Adam West is best in Family Guy as Mayor Adam West.

Mayor Adam West watches as the water drains: "WHO ARE YOU?!"

Mayor Adam West as he is getting in bed with Jason Priestly: "If I do this, you'll stop taking my water?"

I'm sure I got the lines wrong, so sue me.

[yagyuninja]

I really liked the Hulk movie. Its one of those movies that I can't understand why other people don't like it, like Unbreakable. I like how the Hulk moved and interacted with stuff. Also, Jennifer Connelly definately = hot.

And like Tiberius said, Hulk: Ultimate Destruction is one of the most fun games I have ever played. Even if you don't care about the story, the very experience of playing the game is so visceral and exciting. Kind of like the Spiderman 2 game, but better.

[jcb231]

I find the rant on the CGI Hulk to be humorous. People were bitching about the extremely bad script/direction of the film, you would be hard pressed to find a dozen people who didn't like the CGI Hulk. It was the one and only redeeming feature of the movie!


Wow...you and I really talk to different people. From folks I've spoken to and reviews I've read, the Hulk sucked. I can't believe folks can look at that effect, and then look at like, King Kong, and think the Hulk looks good.


Um, Bane was in the last 90's movie Batman and Robin.

http://members.aol.com/MPreston88/freeze1.jpg


Yeah he was in that of course, and he didn't work. Of course, nothing in that movie worked, so it's not his fault. Don't think he'd work even in a good Batman movie. They'd have to reimagine the character so much that he wouldn't even be the same. Mexican wrestling gear always looks humorous in live action. There's really no way it can not. He could be soaked in blood, raging dramtically while fighting an epic battle, and he'd still be a funny looking bodybuilder guy in a Mexican wrestling mask and slightly fey outfit with tubes sticking out of his head.


One last note for jcb231: I just realized most (if not all) of my posts in this thread seemed argumentative towards you - I am not targeting you purposely, your posts just keep hitting the opposite to my own opinion ...

Unlike some touchy forumers (doesn't name names) I rarely if ever take true offense at anything on these boards. We're all here shooting the **** and talking about a freaking board game and superhero movies and other dorky crap. How could I take anything any of us say here seriously enough to be offended? It's all good man. Unless you start like ripping on my mom or driving over and throwing rocks at my house or something, we're cool.

[jcb231]

I got bored with the lack of realism in the Hulk video game. Yeah I know, that sounds weird, but I thought the game just wasn't destructible enough. I think you should have been able to level complete city blocks, like in Mercenaries. I'm the freakin' Hulk! I should be able to walk through a building if I want....none of this wussy "Going around it." crap!

Also, I know they were going for a certain rating, and I'm not a fan of blood and gore either, but when I, as the Hulk, throw a person into a firey explosion of death, I want them to die. Blood isn't important, but dammit if I'm going berserk as a monster, and you get in my way, you squish. Hulk could beat a puny human against the side of a concrete wall, and they'd just get up, scream,and run away. I discovered that accidentally and it just took me right out of the world of the game.

I read the Ultimates comic series....in that Hulk freaks out in the middle of Times Square, and in a matter of minutes the place looks like a small nuke went off. That's the kind of destructive power he should wield. He just felt too neutered. I think with today's game tech a fun game could be built around huge power.

Puny humans! You no match for Hulk! Squish! Smash! ARRRRRRR!!!!!

[hextr1p]

So what did you think of other big recent blockbusters? How'd you like Superman Returns?
As much as I want to see the film, I haven't had a chance yet. So I can't comment on the film. I did see Pirates II twice, and I liked the film. In some instances, Davy Jones' cronies didn't work too well for me. But overall, everything else was really well done. The Kraken was awesome, as was Davy Jones. There were moments that just came across as lame and forced, inlcuding some of Depp's performance as Capt. Jack Sparrow. I like his performance much better in the first movie than in this film. That said, I am really looking forward to the third film with the return of Barbosa!

[allskulls]

Put me on the list of those who liked the Hulk. CGI, direction, acting, and changes from comic to film were all great.

As for Joker, the best live action version so far has been the guy in that Alien vs Predator short. The Batman actor was good too.

[robaula]

Put me on the list of those who liked the Hulk. CGI, direction, acting, and changes from comic to film were all great.

As for Joker, the best live action version so far has been the guy in that Alien vs Predator short. The Batman actor was good too.

Whats that short you are refering to?

[Rhydderch]

Put me on the list of those who liked the Hulk. CGI, direction, acting, and changes from comic to film were all great.

As for Joker, the best live action version so far has been the guy in that Alien vs Predator short. The Batman actor was good too.

Whats that short you are refering to?

The short is called Batman: Dead End. You can find it here:

http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2474406

I thought Dead End was all right. It felt more like a demonstration of what the director could do than a real movie clip. Some of the other videos are interesting as well. World's Finest (trailer only) was made by the same guy. Grayson (also a trailer) has an interesting story. I should mention the trailers are not meant to be made into any real movie or series since these are just meant as fan shorts.

[allskulls]

Rhydderch- Even though it was a portfolio piece, that was the best Joker don't you agree?

[Rhydderch]

Rhydderch- Even though it was a portfolio piece, that was the best Joker don't you agree?

The Joker was done well. The inclusion of a strait jacket really captured the "Asylum" aspect of Arkham. I'm not sure which version of the Joker I like the best though: I was a fan of the Tim Burton Joker and the character in the animated series.

The rest of it felt too much like Corolla just wanted to throw as much as he could into the movie. That said there were scenes I absolutely loved in that short. I really like the scene where Batman lands on the ground with his cape splayed out then stands up with his trailing behind him phantomlike. Really really cool scene.

As for the source material for the movies, I expect Nolan will at least reference The Killing Joke. It seems like his modus operandi: the tower scene along with the hundreds of bats was definitely a direct lift from the Batman Year One comic. Basically I felt Begins had a good mix of original story and references from the comics. So that is definitely a good sign for the next movie =)

Knightfall... That would be interesting in a movie. Bane would need to be re-imagined: better costume and all that. Otherwise if they focus more on his intelligence and less on his brawn he could be a good villain - especially if he blows up Arkham like he did in the comics =P Azrael would be cool if done right.

Of course a lot of the comic would have to be cut out. No interaction with Nightwing or Robin for instance. So that would save a lot of room. Basically a Knightfall movie(s) would probably need to focus on how Bane breaks Batman down, followed by the rise of Azrael/Batman's journey back to Batman, and the confrontation between Azrael and Batman.

Overall though I do not expect the Batman movies to go in that direction. Right now they seem to be more about realism and adding Azrael and Bane into the mix would be weird especially if Azrael sticks around like in the comics. Also they would need to better establish Batman: Bruce only just finished training in the last movie so I think it would bore the audiences if he went through all that again in like the 3rd movie =P

[robaula]

Thanks Rhydderch!

[ultradoug]

dude that movie was messed up good. I was like "oh crap"
Batman + AVP (too bad no T2s lol) geez.
that was dang well done, director wise. Alot of "picture" type shots, but none of that "flash/move" crap that batman begins had- you couldnt even SEE him fight in that one -(!!) Yeah, Bane should be back, just so I can say Bane. Bane. Also Hally neads to be in there at some point. I like how in the short -before it got crazy- the Joker's speach.. that was good. Something like that MORE TALKING between Bat and Badguys, I meen, do we get insant smash in the comics? No, we get alot of talking, then smash. Not even in the animated adventrues (that I also think are pretty darn good, ehh not so much the Batman forever deal thats in the fucture.. but that had its moments) What I did like about the batman begins, is that the main badguy did not die... (or well... he could have survived) in the first run of Batmovies, they made it harder and harder on themselfs by killing off the main badguys.. (exepct for Ice/Posion/Cat) but still.. come on! Also Bane! Bane! did not get anything to "do" he was basicly a henchman and got knocked out fast. Meh. Bane! Bane is his own badguy. He be like breaking stuff and people would be like "Oh bane." and he would be like "STOP SAYING MY NAME!" And smash something. I should be the voice for bane.

also this movie would be cool: http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2645491

man. look ok do I have to say it?

...

Justice League.. the movie.
Come on. Where is my Green Lantern movie?!
Bring back The Flash. How about Wonder Woman?
Etc etc.

[Tiberius]

Well for your justice league fix, they just released that season 2 of the animated series, which I really loved. At least until it became justice league unlimited. So what ever happened to the aquaman series?

[Venom]

what about the joker in this one?

btw, its a great short film

http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2645516?loomia_si=1

[jcb231]

There is talk of a JL animated movie (not in the style of the series, but something new) possibly based on Identity Crisis. Read the Miami Vice-covered edition of Entertainment Weekly.

[Joah]

Last night I was checking out a George Perez fan-site that had an interview with him. It seems DC is definately taking the Marvel direct to DVD route.

The first two CONFIRMED movies are the Superman v. Doomsday, and the 2nd (this one got me a little excited) was the Teen Titans'"Judas Contract".

This is WITH Wolfman & Perez being involved. Not in the anime( sorry, Doug) style of the t.v. series either. Not really aimed at the kiddies.

This is one of my top ten all time comic book stories.
The "Dark Knight Returns" was mentioned as a possibbility.

Depending on the success of these, maybe "KnightFall" isn't that far off.

[jcb231]

I sure as hell hope they get better animators and a bigger production budget than that embarrasing Ultimate Avengers thing. That looked worse than Saturday morning cartoons. What happened to audiences appreciating and demanding good animation? Nowadays it's mostly crappy looking....I blame Hanna Barbara and the popularity of Anime.

[Joah]

I sure as hell hope they get better animators and a bigger production budget than that embarrasing Ultimate Avengers thing. That looked worse than Saturday morning cartoons. What happened to audiences appreciating and demanding good animation? Nowadays it's mostly crappy looking....I blame Hanna Barbara and the popularity of Anime.I too, was pretty harsh on the animation team behind Ultimate Avengers. I'm gonna pull back a little though. On a second, then just recent viewing, I've decided it wasn't as bad as I thought.

I understand that they have a budget to come in under, in order to make these things proffitible. I'm hoping, the budget has gone up a little with the success of the first one.

And to be honest, I'm not sure how I feel about the "Ultimate" universe to begin with. I have read only a little of the Spider-Man, X-men, stuff and it seems a little forced. I really can't comment on the books I guess.

[Agent Minivann]

Last night I was checking out a George Perez fan-site that had an interview with him. It seems DC is definately taking the Marvel direct to DVD route.

This is probably a moot point, but didn't DC beat Marvel to the punch with the direct to DVD Batman Beyond movie? I think it was called Return of the Joker.

As far as the Ultimate Avenger's movie, how was the story? I can put up with really mediocre animation if the story is good. From the bits I saw on commercials it didn't seem all that bad, but it was just the commercials.

[Joah]

As far as the Ultimate Avenger's movie, how was the story? I can put up with really mediocre animation if the story is good. From the bits I saw on commercials it didn't seem all that bad, but it was just the commercials. Depends, how do you like the "Ultimate" revamp Marvel has done? If you like that, your probably good to go.

[jcb231]

And to be honest, I'm not sure how I feel about the "Ultimate" universe to begin with. I have read only a little of the Spider-Man, X-men, stuff and it seems a little forced. I really can't comment on the books I guess.

"The Ultimates" is by far the best thing about the Ultimate universe. I suggest you pick up the trades of that, starting with volume one. So long as you are open-minded enough to accept some tweaking of the classic characters, you'll love it. Captain America, Iron Man, Wasp, Giant Man, Nick Fury, Betty Ross, Bruce Banner, and a ton of support staff from SHIELD and other agencies form the initial team...America's ultimate line of defense, hence the nickname "The Ultimates." In the comic, the team is essentially formed in response to Magneto's attack on Washington DC in the first "Ultimate X-men" arc....BUT you don't need to have read any other comics to follow Ultimates...it's all self-contained, right there, with nothing left truly dangling despite there being hints of a large super-world.

New characters are added and removed from the team later on...it's worth the ride.

There are a few spin-offs if you really like it, in which the Ulitmates cross over with Spider-Man to battle an interesting take on the Sinister Six(Ultimate Six) or the X-men to fight the return of Magneto (Ultimate War) or many characters from the Ultimateverse to fight Galactus (Ultimate Nightmare, Ultimate Secret, Ultimate Extinction).

They are winding down volume two now, and three is on the horizon, but with a new creative team.


In summary, the Ultimate Marvel U is made up of the following books....

-Ultimate Spider-Man (ongoing...Spider-Man the way he should be, in my opinion..recent storylines have slipped a bit or been too short, but it looks like they are turning it around again)
-Ultimate X-men (ongoing....if you hate epic continuity but like mutants, this is for you)
-Ultimate Fantastic Four (my least favorite of the major Ultimate books, but still pretty kick-ass...awesome art recently, and fun, if too short, storylines)

-The Ultimates (currently in volume 2...in theory an ongoing, but in reality more like a pair of maxi-series, given the down time between installments.....this series really takes its time)
-Ultimate Iron Man (an awesome series about Tony Stark's origins...soon volume two will begin...great great stuff)
-Ultimate Marvel Team-Up (one of the worst ideas in the Ultimate Marvel U...stories were different artists every arc, and are really hit and miss...some are good, and tease concepts that would emerge in The Ultiamtes and other books...others are essentially totally out of continuity....it's best to just think of the whole thing as not being in continuity, and just read it for the cool parts, like the Black Widow recruitment story or the interesting Daredevil/Punished arc)
-Ultimate Spider-Man Special (a direct tie-in and series cap to the Team-Up series....it summed everything up and is collected in the HC with them)

-Ultimate Daredevil/Elektra (2 different mini-series so far, neither was all that great I think)
-Ultimate Wolverine/Hulk (mini-series....a fun smack-down between the two)
-Ultimate Six (mini-series....Spider-Man and Ultimates team up to battle the Sinister Six...essential if you like the Spider-Man series)
-Ultimate War (mini-series....Ultimates are tasked with stopping the X-Men, suspected of working with Magneto and his Brotherhood....fight scenes and chaos ensue...a great tie-in to X-men)
-Ultimate Nightmare, Ultimate Secret, Ultimate Extinction (also called "The Ulitmate Galactus Trilogy" by some...most of the Ultimate Marvel Universe (except Spider-Man) team up to stop a really fun take on Galactus)
-Ultimate Vision (a tie-in to the Ultimate Galactus story...it was included as a follow-up tale in various other comics)
-Ultimate Adventures (suckiness, that has nothing to do with the Ultimate Universe other than the name....bad bad bad, don't read it.)
-Ultimate X-Men/Fantastic Four (a brief crossover mini-series stunt...not that good, not important to either book)

[Joah]

http://www.aint-it-cool-news.com/display.cgi?id=24016

Sounds good to me.

[jcb231]

Hopefully they will get some good animators.

[Agent Minivann]

As far as the Ultimate Avenger's movie, how was the story? I can put up with really mediocre animation if the story is good. From the bits I saw on commercials it didn't seem all that bad, but it was just the commercials. Depends, how do you like the "Ultimate" revamp Marvel has done? If you like that, your probably good to go.

These threads are the first I've heard of the Ultimate stuff. Am I reading your post correctly in thinking the stuff is good as long as I don't get all pissed off because they changed my beloved Marvel characters?

I loved reading the stuff growing up, but I've never been one to get upset because of how a movie, TV series, or other media chose to present the characters. If that were the case, I wouldn't have liked anything in the Xmen movies or TV shows. If the first movie were to be truly great in that regard it should have had Beast, Iceman, and Angel as X-veterans.

[Venom]

check this out.

http://www.weakgame.com/?show=11615

"Oscar-winner Robin Williams was reportedly desperate to land the role"

i can't picture that. :lol:

[Havokscry]

HEATH OUT OF BATS

Heath Ledger seemed signed, sealed and delivered after word that he was offered the role of The Joker in the BATMAN BEGINS sequel. But now we get word from Batman-on-Film, courtesy of their "best source," that Ledger has not in fact signed a deal and instead has become reluctant to sign the contract. "Ledger is not a lock," their source says. The same report also confirms that The Penguin will be the second villain in the filmPhilip Seymour Hoffman. Hoffman however is even less of a lock than Ledger though as he's sending out signals that he may pass on the offer. So if you had your druthers, who would YOU cast as Joker and Penguin? After all, Christopher Nolan could be reading this right now and absorbing all these great ideas...
and director Christopher Nolan has also offered that part to an actor. That actor just so happens to be the one who beat Heath Ledger in the Best Actor Oscar race last year -

--JOBLO.COM

[robaula]

That actor just so happens to be the one who beat Heath Ledger in the Best Actor Oscar race last year -

--JOBLO.COM

who was that then?

[Rhydderch]

dude that movie was messed up good. I was like "oh crap" Batman + AVP (too bad no T2s lol) geez. that was dang well done, director wise. Alot of "picture" type shots, but none of that "flash/move" crap that batman begins had- you couldnt even SEE him fight in that one -(!!)

The close-in shots of the action scenes in Batman Begins were intentional to capture how Batman fights: once he gets in close its a brutal barrage which leaves little openings for anyone with a gun to get a clean shot off. It was more about how a realistic martial artist might put down the baddies and less about showing off to the audience with fancy moves. IMO, as the smaller opponent in the fight between Batman and the Predator in Dead End, Batman would have been better off had he closed with the Predator and stayed there. Instead he stayed at range although the Predator has the longer arms and therefore the range advantage.

The same report also confirms that The Penguin will be the second villain in the film.

Penguin again? Bleh. They should include a new villain since we already have the Joker. Or better yet just leave the movie with one villain. I've never understood why WB feels a need to include two or more villains per Batman movie: other than the original we've had...

Catwoman/Penguin, Riddler/Two-Face, Mr Freeze/Poison Ivy/Bane, Scarecrow/Ra's al Ghul

None of the other hero movies seem to have that requirement and with a villain like the Joker, I really would prefer if they just focused on his story rather than diluting it down with the Penguin.

[jcb231]

Supposedly they are approaching the Penguin in the same manner as the recent comics....more of a supporting, behind the scenes player. Not the big bad. I think using the Penguin merely as an information broker and such is a smart move.

[Rhydderch]

Supposedly they are approaching the Penguin in the same manner as the recent comics....more of a supporting, behind the scenes player. Not the big bad. I think using the Penguin merely as an information broker and such is a smart move.

So he will be more of a shady background character. I can see how that would work better especially since it would leave the Joker as the main villain and place the Penguin in a secondary role. Maybe the Penguin will somehow play into the creation of the Joker. At the very least I hope there is more to the Joker's backstory than the simple exposure to the gas released in the last movie.

[Agent Minivann]

That actor just so happens to be the one who beat Heath Ledger in the Best Actor Oscar race last year -

--JOBLO.COM

who was that then?

That was Philip Seymore Hoffman for Capote. That gets really muddy with the talk of him as Penguin.

Of, nice avatar. Schfifty five!

[Bannister]

Did you guys see that they have made this official?

Ledger has signed on to play the Joker.

Bannister

[jcb231]

Link?

[hextr1p]

Link?
LINK (http://superherohype.com/news/batmannews.php?id=4601).

[netherspirit]

Link?
Hmmmm ummmm :google:

edit: dang you hex, encouraging the laziness!!!

[Miniature Geek]

I was pulling for Crispen Glover. I disliked Both the Burton Batman films.

Don't try to re-invent the wheel.

Heath could work, way too early to tell.

I have to see the "smile".

I just don't see how you can complain about burtons Batman movies, I mean give him a little credit, they weren't the total suck fest that the other two where, Batman Forever/Batman and Robin?

:puke:

[Joah]

I was pulling for Crispen Glover. I disliked Both the Burton Batman films.

Don't try to re-invent the wheel.

Heath could work, way too early to tell.

I have to see the "smile".

I just don't see how you can complain about burtons Batman movies, I mean give him a little credit, they weren't the total suck fest that the other two where, Batman Forever/Batman and Robin?

:puke:
First off, Keaton was a great casting choice in the film, but maybe the wrong part. Batman? BULL****. Joker? getting warmer...

Second, don't really have a 2nd here, just don't wanna come off like *%$.

I've really liked all of Tim Burton's movies, EXCEPT his Batman films.

Warner Bros. came close to handing him the first of the new Superman movies, then he said,"I don't ever want to show him flying.."
True story. Look it up.
Warner Bros. said "Get Lost".

[jcb231]

Link?
Hmmmm ummmm :google:

edit: dang you hex, encouraging the laziness!!!

Google THIS! (pokes Nether in the eye...right in the eye)

Ha! A taste of your own medicine! :-P

[jcb231]

I liked Burton's Batman movies for what they were. I think Nolan's Batman movie was much more in keeping with the feel of the comics, and a better film overall, but that doesn't take away from my enjoyment of Burton's take on it. It was different but enjoyable, kind of like a trippy Elseworlds story.

[Venom]

another villian revealed, well sort of.

http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/news/va/20070216/117163429500.html

[netherspirit]

Oh I like Aaron Eckart! He will make a Harvey Dent.

I love that the next one is called "The Dark Knight"

[mrbistro]

I like Eckart as well. He'll make a fine Dent, though I hope they hold off on his transformation in this movie. One transformational disfigurement per movie please.

[deadeyedan42]

I think they should get Will Smith to play the Joker.

Yeah, it's not like Will Smith has ever played James West or something... :screwy:

:lol: That was a good movie!

[jcb231]

Oh I like Aaron Eckart! He will make a Harvey Dent.

I love that the next one is called "The Dark Knight"

I like that they are casting actual (gasp) good film actors in these movies, often real actors' actors with nice stage pedigrees, rather than just movie star flavor-of-the-weeks or (God help us) comedians. I'm looking at you, Jim Carrey, with your Riddler-ruining ways, and you, Arnold, and your generally unspeakable portrayal of Mister Freeze, and you, Uma Thurman, for being "too campy" in a movie that should have been called "Campy McCampy and his Campy Campatron Campventures in Campland." The Tim Burton movies had their moments as a slightly different but interesting take on the mythos, but there weren't a lot of "wow" casting moments. I liked Michelle Pfeiffer as Catwoman, but still not to the extent that I'm liking the casting of this new series.

Eckhart as Dent. That rocks. I hope they go a whole movie without him as Two Face and then I hope he's signed on to become the classic villain in the inevitable third movie. I don't want them to pull another Dent-swap like they did when they replaced Billy Dee Williams with Tommy Lee Jones....not that either one of those was the right choice.

I also want to see a truly evil Joker in this film....non of the kiddy hijinks crap with giant props and stuff. I want the Joker from "The Killing Joke" "The Dark Knight Returns" or other moments of shiver-down-the-spine Joker evil.

[Venom]

and heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere's JOKER!!

http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/news/cool-poster-of-the-joker-revealed.php

[hextr1p]

and heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere's JOKER!!

http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/news/cool-poster-of-the-joker-revealed.php

Not quite official... but a cool image none the less. :D

I really can't wait to see this incarnation of the Joker. As twisted as the Scarecrow was in the previous film, I can only hope the same gritty darkness is impressed upon the art direction of the most pivotal character in the Batman story.

[MKSentinel]

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0468569/

Status is filming...Looks like Heath is it! And I'm not sure what the big nose in the air is about Heath Ledger. He's a hell of an actor!

They didn't just cast ANYONE in the role. It's Heath fricking Ledger.

Notice Harvey Dent cast for this one as well...

Aaron Eckhart Lands Two-Faced Role
21 February 2007 (WENN)
Thank You For Smoking star Aaron Eckhart will play Harvey Dent/Two-Face in The Dark Knight, a sequel to Batman Begins. Dent is Gotham City's district attorney and a Batman ally who goes insane after half of his face is disfigured by acid. Known as Two-Face, he chooses to do good or evil by flipping a coin. Tommy Lee Jones played the character in 1995's Batman Forever. Ray Oscar winner Jamie Foxx recently rubbished reports he would play Dent alongside Christian Bale's Batman. The sequel, directed by Christopher Nolan, is set to be released next summer. The actor is next set to be seen in drama No Reservations opposite Catherine Zeta-Jones and recent Oscar nominee Abigail Breslin.

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[Venom]

ok, so i think this is the official picture of the joker

http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=5716[/img]

[Malechi]

ok, so i think this is the official picture of the joker

http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=5716

Edit by Malechi: Corrected link to page.

To show an image you must link only the image. You have the whole page linked erroneously without full tags ...

Here is the image you wanted ...

http://www.superherohype.com/nextraimages/jokerrevealed.jpg

[Venom]

is it just me or did the image not go thru? :?

[Malechi]

is it just me or did the image not go thru? :?

Look up dude, read my post ...

You incorrectly linked the entire page, not the image ...

[Hahma]

ok, so i think this is the official picture of the joker

http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=5716

Edit by Malechi: Corrected link to page.

To show an image you must link only the image. You have the whole page linked erroneously without full tags ...

Here is the image you wanted ...

http://www.superherohype.com/nextraimages/jokerrevealed.jpg




Now that's one fugly mofo, no wonder he's a bad guy :)

[Venom]

i know, but it's still not working for me. maybe it's just my computer