Marvel Heroscape Negativity. I really don't get it.

[Tiak]

Hello all :)

There was a negative thread regarding Marvel Heroscape out here and it got locked. I was very curious because there have been several negative comments about Marvel Heroscape and i really don't get it. It can be used with heroscape or as a seperate game.
it doesn't Interfear with the Heroscape story continuity. So why are so many so bothered by Marvel scape? Is it because it's Marvel comics? would people be happy if it had been DC Heroscape? I honestly don't get it.

[GreyOwl]

I think some people are always bothered when something they like and have grown attached to changes or evolves in any way. Witness the people that absolutely hate the new Star Wars movies, or the Transformers movie, etc. I'm not saying these are all necessarily great or that everyone should like them, but there are always some that hate them just because they aren't the original way they remember them.

Before anyone flames me, I'm not saying everyone that dislikes Marvelscape falls into this category. :)

[Rajaat the Warbringer]

I was initially against it for a very simple reason.

I didn't want a license coming in and taking their attention and time away from Heroscape to make a different game (even one 'scape related).

Now, I don't really care, and I intend to buy the Marvel stuff and mix it with 'scape occasionally.

[IAmBatman]

It seems like you've mostly covered this topic here: http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=13266 haven't you?

[aerofool]

The most recent negative post I believe the complaint was that all Marvel-scape is was just less terrain and characters with buffed up costs like they should be much better than standard characters in the game. In the poster's opinion, it seemed like they weren't. At least that was the impression I got seeing as there was no info to back up the claim. I got the thought that he was just trolling to get people wound up. Next time someone comes in saying something you don't agree with and cannot support the claim, it is best you just leave be!

[Eclipse]

he was just trolling to get people wound up

That's about as much as there is to it. ;)

[Jexik]

It reminds me of the Pistol v. Dual-Wielding arguments in the Halo 2 forums. Even if you had what you thought was a great insight and expressed your opinion clearly, mods would lock the threads simply because they were sick of seeing the same flame war every day. It's been done to death and some people simply don't want to change. I just like to play, and I'll do whatever I feel like either way. If a tournament has rules that I'm not interested in, I just won't play.

[hakysak]

I didn't like it when it first came out and I still have my reasons. I did one thread about it and then I tried to be positive. Just had to get all of my feelings out there.
Yes, I agree that there are too many negative threads about MS. What really gets on my nerves is that when a newb gets his tread locked, he immediately starts a new thread that is the exact same thing.
If people don't like the game so much then they need to quit going to the MS Discussion page. If they can't do that then at least post on the three billion "I Hate MS" threads already out there instead of starting a new one.

[Su_Nan]

I don't own marvel scape and I don't plan on it. What really bothers me is when I'm looking for strategy tips and help on army creation, and someone suggests using a marvel hero in the army, that is just absolutely useless to me. Another thing on the same topic is that people will suggest adding marvel heroes without even knowing whether or not that person has the set.

Who is a good counter to Krug? The Hulk.
Not everybody has marvel scape so the answer doesn't help those without it.

Now I'm not gonna say marvel shouldn't be mixed and flame it to death. But it will bother me a little, but not that much.

[Avenger]

I don't own marvel scape and I don't plan on it. What really bothers me is when I'm looking for strategy tips and help on army creation, and someone suggests using a marvel hero in the army, that is just absolutely useless to me. Another thing on the same topic is that people will suggest adding marvel heroes without even knowing whether or not that person has the set.

Who is a good counter to Krug? The Hulk.
Not everybody has marvel scape so the answer doesn't help those without it.

Now I'm not gonna say marvel shouldn't be mixed and flame it to death. But it will bother me a little, but not that much.

Ya, but... Alot of people who ask for help on army building do not have all of the units, so some say things like,"I don't have the Gorillanators." Does it make you mad when people don't have other packs?

[aerofool]

Wouldn't it be great if everyone who asks for army building advice would take the effort and list what they have to use. Only if we cannot find something useful in their collection should we suggest something else. Then again, this is getting way off the initial topic here!

[bad_calvin]

Wouldn't it be great if everyone who asks for army building advice would take the effort and list what they have to use. Only if we cannot find something useful in their collection should we suggest something else. Then again, this is getting way off the initial topic here!

I have no problem with it. It was a little light on the terrain for a Master Set, but it was cheaper then a Master set as well. I like the figs, I like the mechanics (obviously). I also like the fact that the figs are not on an ugly clicky base. Haters can hate, but I will be in line to pick up the expansions for sure.

[eric.dunfee]

the only real complaint I have with marvelscape is the number of figures you DON'T see on the board. When we play, it's usually 2-4 people, and depending on how much time we have, we'll play 400-500 pt armies.

I can't stand when I go through the trouble of setting up very large elaborate maps and my opponent uses like one figures. I like to see big epic battles with large amounts of figures. It's hard to get that when 95% of your army is in one figure.

That being said, I have played with the marvel sets, and do enjoy it, I just need to get my classic heroscape game in first.

[IAmBatman]

your battles aren't going to get very "epic" at 400-500 points regardless, IMO. I don't think "epic" really starts until you get up around 800 or more, no matter who you're drafting, unless they're all cannon fodder level (50 points or less).

[willwall54022]

I think some people are always bothered when something they like and have grown attached to changes or evolves in any way. Witness the people that absolutely hate the new Star Wars movies, or the Transformers movie, etc. I'm not saying these are all necessarily great or that everyone should like them, but there are always some that hate them just because they aren't the original way they remember them.

Before anyone flames me, I'm not saying everyone that dislikes Marvelscape falls into this category. :)

im an oldy star wars fan, but i loved phantom menace, but 2 and 3 just sucked i think they could've been better. of course for my expectations they would've gone into 3 hours but i woudlnt be bored, unlike peter jacksons king kong *yawn*

[IAmBatman]

Really? Not to completely derail this thread, but I thought Phantom Menace was terribly boring for large stretches. Episodes two and three were far superior, IMO. Although episode three was terribly anti climactic to anyone who'd seen episodes four-six. I envy the people who will be able to grow up watching them in order for that reason.

[HS Beast]

Really? Not to completely derail this thread, but I thought Phantom Menace was terribly boring for large stretches. Episodes two and three were far superior, IMO. Although episode three was terribly anti climactic to anyone who'd seen episodes four-six. I envy the people who will be able to grow up watching them in order for that reason.
To be fair, Phantom Menace was structured like that in order to set up the Universe. To establish the Trade Federation, The Senate, The Jedi Order. And everything else. It was done that way on purpose, so that AotC and RotS wouldn't need to deal with those things and could get to the story. A New Hope is structured in a similar fashion, but there's a great deal less stuff that need to be established. As for Episode 3 being Anti-Climactic, yes and no. But it does have a huge down ending. :)

[HeroscaperHuh]

Here is my issue with Marvelscape:
1. Marvel/Transformers/etc have been buying franchices in WAY to many games and toys ('Scape, Attacktix, little action figs, etc)
2. You get VERY little for the 25-30 bucks.
3. A few of the abilities are complicated (don't contridict me)
4. The Marvel figs are not fair on the classic game play (ex: SotM Drake's pistal special attack, you can't attack Jandar figs with it. Marvel figs don't have a general.)
5. You can't/shouldn't play Marvel figs and the negatation glyph.
6. I hate Marvel Scape.

Sorry, if I got lost in another Marvel rampage lol

[NecroBlade]

Here is my issue with Marvelscape:
1. Marvel/Transformers/etc have been buying franchices in WAY to many games and toys ('Scape, Attacktix, little action figs, etc)Welcome to capitalism.
2. You get VERY little for the 25-30 bucks.I'll concede this point, but say that it's not as "little" as you probably think.
3. A few of the abilities are complicated (don't contridict me)Which ones? No offense, but judging from some of your other posts this doesn't surprise me coming from you.
4. The Marvel figs are not fair on the classic game play (ex: SotM Drake's pistal special attack, you can't attack Jandar figs with it. Marvel figs don't have a general.)Oh no, not the dreaded 5 Range, 3 Attack!!! :roll:
5. You can't/shouldn't play Marvel figs and the negatation glyph.So don't?
6. I hate Marvel Scape....for no real good reasons.

[HS Beast]

Here is my issue with Marvelscape:
Also known as, here's more of my unfounded pointless complaints.
1. Marvel/Transformers/etc have been buying franchices in WAY to many games and toys ('Scape, Attacktix, little action figs, etc)
As Necroblade said, welcome to capitalism. Besides, they're not buying franchises. So what if they make games and toys featuring the characters. They're trying to market the games and toys to people who like the characters and universe. Marvelscape likely introduced a lot of people, like myself to Heroscape. Some of which who we'll try out the original version. Which only helps keep Heroscape alive. If you don't grow the fanbase, it becomes stagnet and dies.
2. You get VERY little for the 25-30 bucks.
Granted you don't get as much as in a $40.00 Heroscape Master Set. Let me stress that, $40.00. But it's suitable for the feel of Superheroes, which for the most part is down and dirty brawls in close quarters. It's not meant to feel like an army game. Not to mention with the power levels and the character costs, smaller sized game fields are much more reasonable. Since you'll likely only be fielding a couple characters unless you're playing with huge point limits.
3. A few of the abilities are complicated (don't contridict me)
Name some. Because otherwise, you're just blowing smoke.
4. The Marvel figs are not fair on the classic game play (ex: SotM Drake's pistal special attack, you can't attack Jandar figs with it. Marvel figs don't have a general.)
They're more than fair. As has been proven in multiple scenarious that people have played with them. As you yourself should know, not everyone's abilities are going to affect every character. Are Soulborgs unfair now because they can't be effected by some things? Are larger figures unfair now because they can't be Chomped? And so what if Marvel figures don't have a General. Consider them Wild Cards summoned into the battle if you use them with Heroscape. Unless they eventually introduce General Nick Fury. Then you can pretend he's the General of the Marvelscape guys. ;)
5. You can't/shouldn't play Marvel figs and the negatation glyph.
Since I haven't and don't intend to use Glyphs... no clue what that even does. I find the game works fine, and is more tactical, without the added often unfair advantage of glyphs. But like Necroblade said, so don't.
6. I hate Marvel Scape.
Again, for no good reason. There's one simple answer. DON'T BUY IT!

[Legion]

Well if a person has a problem with Marvel Heroscape, then they don't need to buy it. C'mon that's common sense. :duh:

[HeroscaperHuh]

Who said I bought it?

[HS Beast]

Well if a person has a problem with Marvel Heroscape, then they don't need to buy it. C'mon that's common sense. :duh:
Well, I don't know about that. After all, HeroscaperHuh bought it and he hates Marvel. ;)

Who said I bought it?
You did.
Marvel Heroscape is just normal Heroscape only you only use the expensive heros. Why did I pay 25$ for this I have no clue.
http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?p=417251&highlight=#447854

Topic. I sure don't! It was the most wasted 25 bucks of my life.

This is my opinion and I don't want anybody bashing it
I didn't like it cause you can't (in my opinion) use the Marvel figs with the normal heroscape figs. The Marvel figs cost WAY to much. And I don't like Marvel in general. I think I bought cause I had money burnin' a hole in my pocket.
http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?p=409282&highlight=#439783

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[hi1hi1hi1hi1]

Well if a person has a problem with Marvel Heroscape, then they don't need to buy it. C'mon that's common sense. :duh:
Well, I don't know about that. After all, HeroscaperHuh bought it and he hates Marvel. ;)

Who said I bought it?
You did.
Marvel Heroscape is just normal Heroscape only you only use the expensive heros. Why did I pay 25$ for this I have no clue.
http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?p=417251&highlight=#447854

Topic. I sure don't! It was the most wasted 25 bucks of my life.

This is my opinion and I don't want anybody bashing it
I didn't like it cause you can't (in my opinion) use the Marvel figs with the normal heroscape figs. The Marvel figs cost WAY to much. And I don't like Marvel in general. I think I bought cause I had money burnin' a hole in my pocket.
http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?p=409282&highlight=#439783

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[NecroBlade]

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