Marvel Heroscape

[Roweiser]

...all but confirmed. Shame on this guy for posting to BGG before here 8)

I'm at San Diego ComciCon and the Hasbro booth has a display of a set labeled "Marvel Heroscape". The characters I rememebr are:
Hulk, Abomination, Captain America, Iron Man, Spiderman, Venom, Silver Surfer, Thantos. The terrain looked standard but there were ruins of modern buildings in the display. I think it will be a new base set. I was told by one of the booth bunnies that it is suppost to come out in Spring 2007. I'll report back more when I have a chance to see the display again tomorrow.


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[Runehardt]

...all but confirmed. Shame on this guy for posting to BGG before here 8)

I'm at San Diego ComciCon and the Hasbro booth has a display of a set labeled "Marvel Heroscape". The characters I rememebr are:
Hulk, Abomination, Captain America, Iron Man, Spiderman, Venom, Silver Surfer, Thantos. The terrain looked standard but there were ruins of modern buildings in the display. I think it will be a new base set. I was told by one of the booth bunnies that it is suppost to come out in Spring 2007. I'll report back more when I have a chance to see the display again tomorrow.


Last edited by mark_biggar on Today 05:41 pm (Total Number of Edits: 1)

Very Cool! At least it shows that Heroscape is still "growing". I wonder if this is the "big Heroscape news" I was hearing about being released at Comic Con????

[Hahnarama]

All I can say is "Damn you!! Damn you all to hell!"

why bring in well known comic figures? They will never be able to make everyone happy. The units will either be TOO STRONG or too weak.

[truth]

All I can say is "Damn you!! Damn you all to hell!"

why bring in well known comic figures? They will never be able to make everyone happy. The units will either be TOO STRONG or too weak.

Bah! It says he thinks they are doing a seperate Master Set. So long as they aren't mixing them in with regular units you can just avoid that side of the game. I for one would be down with playing a game of super hero battle without it being the lame clix system.

[allskulls]

True, Hahn, not everyone will be pleased with all the characters...but this should be great!

Sounds like a separate game system too, with the modern city ruins. I just hope it stays simple. This will be on my list of must haves...now I need to keep my clix for customs.

Just think how far ahead of expansions we will be with good custom stats using Heroclix figures. And as soon as rules are posted we can play test on our Valhalla scape boards!

Would be great to see Hulk from Planet Hulk!

[CornPuff]

If Captain America can beat the great Sgt. Drake one on one: I quit
If the heroes are all about 200 points: I quit
If Ironman is a soulborg: I quit
And if they abandon 'classic' heroscape for rebranded crap: I cry

[reapersaurus]

So long as they aren't mixing them in with regular units you can just avoid that side of the game. I for one would be down with playing a game of super hero battle without it being the lame clix system.That is the absolute key here - can you imagine the absurdity of the Hulk going up against Mimring, or Marcus?

As longtime HS fans know, there's little chance of them being costed properly to coincide with official units unless they completely nerf their powers, but a stand-alone supers-only expansion (or Master Set) may work.

I don't think of that as Heroscape, being on a different power-scale, but if it's by the original designers, it probably would be fun.

But guys - :unsure:

What if it isn't made by Craig and Rob? (Monty Python-esque sound effect **DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH!** )

[spiderM9]

I think my kids will be more excited about this than I'm going to be.

This has the smell of one of those decisions made by some marketing guy who's maybe not all that in touch with his customers (assuming that the folks here at 'Scapers really represent their customer base). If it helps them somehow solve all of their HS distribution issues it'll be good, if it pushes Wave 6 or 7 or other expansions off the shelf at Target it'll be bad.

[allskulls]

Reap- I'll call Oog and make sure he asks if Craig and Rob will be doing it. And tell him to get shots of any prototypes.

[CornPuff]

The sad part is that I think HSers.com isnt their customer base (even though we love it most) and even if we are, Hasbro is likely right that Marvelscape will make them more $$$

[allskulls]

I think my kids will be more excited about this than I'm going to be.

This has the smell of one of those decisions made by some marketing guy who's maybe not all that in touch with his customers (assuming that the folks here at 'Scapers really represent their customer base).
Spiderman's not excited?

Actually I think this will increase their customer base. I know guys who only play comic style games.

[Hahnarama]

All I can say is "Damn you!! Damn you all to hell!"

why bring in well known comic figures? They will never be able to make everyone happy. The units will either be TOO STRONG or too weak.

Bah! It says he thinks they are doing a seperate Master Set. So long as they aren't mixing them in with regular units you can just avoid that side of the game.

But it doesn't say "not compatible with Rise of the Valkerie Universe?" Or maybe it does and we just don't know yet. Marvel units in the current game would be a buzz kill. Just imagiine a Hulk with comic book stats.

You finally really did it.....You Maniacs! You blew it up!

-Hahn so very very tired form the turn and burn.

[reapersaurus]

Reap- I'll call Oog and make sure he asks if Craig and Rob will be doing it. And tell him to get shots of any prototypes.Great call, allskulls. :thumbsup:

Close-up pictures of the foigs would be great - that guy said there was the Hulk, and even Thantos? Does he mean THANOS? (it'd make sense if there's a Silver Surfer)

I'm torn, if so - part of me goes OHMYF-INGGOSH! They're gonna have Thanos, my favorite character in Heroscape!

And the other part goes :roll: WTF?!? What completely-ignorant-of-HS marketing dweeb thought to include COSMIC POWER LEVEL supers in HS?

If Thanso is supposed to be played alongside normal mooks like the Roman Legionnaires, it will be the stupidest thing to happen to this game yet.

I'd have to point out the absurdity be making an Equipment Card for Thanos, called the Infinity Gauntlet : During any point in the round, at any time, Thanos can roll any number of dice he wants and he can choose which face lands face-up. Thanos may teleport anywhere at any time. Thanos can change the stats of any unit to anything he wants. Mark the modified card with a Reality Marker. :roll:

:roll:


:roll:

[skyknight]

If they release this set I hope the terrain is usable with Heroscape, after that I will throw the rest of the crap out. If anyone was wondering how to get me disinterested in my favorite hobby, you found it. What a friggin crock, :evil: Don't get me wrong I love Superheroes, but not here , not now, not ever. If the new superhero heroscape becomes the main focus of these boards, well I will pretty much bail I imagine. I am not bein ***** about it, but it just leaves a real bad taste in my mouth and I am not in the least bit interested in it. Sorry guys, don't mean to *****, but it just sucks that this is the bold new direction HS has decided on. What about a friggin dungeon, Dark age cottages and castles, pirates, oceans, swamps, jungles, desserts, and we get @#^%* superheroes :grumble: :wtf!:

[skyknight]

i'm still pissed off so I am going to vent again :wink: If Hasbro goes this direction I bet it would mean even less support for the game we all know and love, they are not going to keep pumpin things out as fast if the set splits in two. It will be a slow year next year for those who do not want Frickin Wonder woman flying her ^$%&^ invisible jet over our castle walls. About the only one of those boys who deserves space on the HS board is Thor. Gosh I sure hope they don't forget the Wonder twins... what would my HS experience be without the wonder twins :x

[CupidsArt]

Hey Marvel HS, that's fine with me. I won't mix the two together I don't think unless of course the terrain matches up. If the terrain for Marvelscape matches up to HS then by all means, pump out some Marvelscape stuff. Hell I can't be certain, yeah this kinda' pisses me off but hey, who knows, maybe I'll like it.

Really we shouldn't see this as a downfall of our game. We should see this as a gateway. Let's bring in those guys that think our game is stupid but are willing to play marvel monopoly. Let this set show others how much fun this game is!!!!

Actaully after a few sentances I"M EXCITED, YAY! :)

[allskulls]

Sky- From all that has been revealed it seems that the superheroes will have their own game system. Take a look at Mage Knight and Heroclix...same concept and basic rules but the nitty gritty is/was worlds apart (well maybe not worlds).

Reap- Talked with Oogie and he will be asking all the right questions and taking all the right pictures. As for the cosmic heroes (my favorite too...SS is the best), they will most likely be watered way down as they were in Heroclix. I actually had separate rules for each character to amp them up...the infinity guantlet too!

[Augray]

I don't think of that as Heroscape, being on a different power-scale, but if it's by the original designers, it probably would be fun.
We know Craig is at ComicCon. See http://heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=777&start=50.

This fact coupled with the Marvel Heroscape annoucement seems to point strongly to Craig's involvement in the development of this branch of the game.

[feekonea]

All I can say is "Damn you!! Damn you all to hell!"

why bring in well known comic figures? They will never be able to make everyone happy. The units will either be TOO STRONG or too weak.

Bah! It says he thinks they are doing a seperate Master Set. So long as they aren't mixing them in with regular units you can just avoid that side of the game.

But it doesn't say "not compatible with Rise of the Valkerie Universe?" Or maybe it does and we just don't know yet. Marvel units in the current game would be a buzz kill. Just imagiine a Hulk with comic book stats.

You finally really did it.....You Maniacs! You blew it up!

-Hahn so very very tired form the turn and burn.

I completely and utterly agree, I do not want superheros in heroscape, they never even existed! theyre just made up fantasy figures! CMON!!! Although I would not mind if it is a different heroscape like game thats seperate from this heroscape.

[hextr1p]

...all but confirmed. Shame on this guy for posting to BGG before here 8)

I'm at San Diego ComciCon and the Hasbro booth has a display of a set labeled "Marvel Heroscape". The characters I rememebr are:
Hulk, Abomination, Captain America, Iron Man, Spiderman, Venom, Silver Surfer, Thantos. The terrain looked standard but there were ruins of modern buildings in the display. I think it will be a new base set. I was told by one of the booth bunnies that it is suppost to come out in Spring 2007. I'll report back more when I have a chance to see the display again tomorrow.


Last edited by mark_biggar on Today 05:41 pm (Total Number of Edits: 1)
So this is what happens in my commute back home from work.

That said, now I am FIENDING for Oog to report back from Comic-Con this weekend!

Regarding the 'standard' terrain, I can't say I'm too excited if the set comes with grass, rock, and sand. Though I am anxious to see the ruins.

Good find, 'Ro!

[allskulls]

I completely and utterly agree, I do not want superheros in heroscape, they never even existed! theyre just made up fantasy figures! CMON!!! Although I would not mind if it is a different heroscape like game thats seperate from this heroscape.
Made up fantasy? Marro...Orcs...Dragons (well that's debatable)...Soulborgs...Vipers...Gorilinators...etc...

I'm willing to bet all my extra master set figures :wink: that Marvel Heroscape will be totally separate from Valhalla Heroscape.

[Grungebob]

I think it is time to create a seperate forum area for Marvel Heroscape.

[skyknight]

And does that mean a slow down in Vahalla for us? You bet it does.

[kookalives]

In case anyone is interested, I found a pic of the set on rebelscum.com, just go to the page listed below

http://www.rebelscum.com/sdcc06/sdcc06-hasbroGIJOE/image51.asp

I have no idea why the pic ended up grouped with their G.I.Joe pics.

[skyknight]

I think it is time to create a seperate site for Marvel Heroscape :?

[CornPuff]

Holy crap yeah we are interested.
Wow. Game changing. photographic proof of the great .... change
Thanks for the pic

[CornPuff]

http://www.rebelscum.com/sdcc06/sdcc06-hasbroGIJOE/IMG_0392.JPG

[Grungebob]

New terrain tiles there!! New colored order markers.

[CornPuff]

Pointing out obvious:
Marvel Legends Heroscape is the title
There are order markers, combat dice and wound markers.
The hexes look very compatible
even the figure bases look the same

[kookalives]

Terran tiles are most likely road and sidewalk would be my guess.
It looks like the building breaks apart.
And you have yellow glyphs.

[Grungebob]

Are there four or three order markers?

[CornPuff]

Maybe its just for this display, but did you notice there are no stacked tiles? IMHO height advantage defines heroscape. Will Marvel Legends Heroscape have hills and mountians (in the rules)? or just ruined buildings?

[feekonea]

I completely and utterly agree, I do not want superheros in heroscape, they never even existed! theyre just made up fantasy figures! CMON!!! Although I would not mind if it is a different heroscape like game thats seperate from this heroscape.
Made up fantasy? Marro...Orcs...Dragons (well that's debatable)...Soulborgs...Vipers...Gorilinators...etc...

I'm willing to bet all my extra master set figures :wink: that Marvel Heroscape will be totally separate from Valhalla Heroscape.

yes but those are all possible one day. Who knows they mighrt be happening right now? there might be a planet resembling marr with advanced gorrilas, evolved snakes and marros. Its possible that somewhere i time and space that could happen, but we do know that all this super hero stuff is made up. Wich Is why I hope they keep the game seperate.

[GaryLASQ]

cross merchandising. it's what conglomorates like Hasborg do best :roll:

at least this means they see value in the best part of HS, the 3D modular game "board".

get ready for StarWars Heroscape...any guess as to when? Spring 2008? *sigh*

looks like a separate master set as well. more store shelf competition for the original game.

i'm definitely a "glass is half empty" person on this one...

[GaryLASQ]

Maybe its just for this display, but did you notice there are no stacked tiles? IMHO height advantage defines heroscape. Will Marvel Legends Heroscape have hills and mountians (in the rules)? or just ruined buildings?

looks like the exact same tiles to me. no reason why you couldn't stack 'em. no doubt the rule book will be nearly identical.

[Joah]

Really we shouldn't see this as a downfall of our game. We should see this as a gateway. Let's bring in those guys that think our game is stupid but are willing to play marvel monopoly. Let this set show others how much fun this game is!!!!

This is the approach I am going to take with this.

Listen, when Marvel signed with Hasbro this was written on the wall.
And I think I'm fine with it. I've been a regular member of all three HS fan sites.
I first registered at the .net in early October '04.
I state this only because ever since the beginnig of this game, people have been making customs for this game.
Many of them Super-Heroes.
I've only recently( the last 2-3 months) really warmed up to making customs myself. My thought was, Rob & Craig have created a perfect game universe. Why would I need to go outside of it?
The anwser is just for fun.
As long as the HS we all know and love keeps chugging along as normal,(albeit, with MUCH better distribution/packaging), knock your socks off.

Is this why Hasbro has been hiring a new developement person? Probably.

There is one thing I know for certain, this will bring more people to the game.
My hope is it is completely seperate/completely compatible.

[GaryLASQ]

Terran tiles are most likely road and sidewalk would be my guess.
hmm. if they are meant to be road and sidewalk then the tiles should have a flatter smoother surface. my guess is they just painted some HS grass tiles for this display as a prototype. the surface and markings of the actual tiles will probably be different, like the surface of road tiles in HS are different.

[Joah]

Terran tiles are most likely road and sidewalk would be my guess.
It looks like the building breaks apart.
And you have yellow glyphs. I'll tell you right now, I'd take a few sets of that terrain.

What would I do with the extra super-hero figs?

Try to make some DC customs. :wink:

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

New terrain tiles there!! New colored order markers.

Forgit that! there's the Freakin' Silver Surfer! Oh man, this is big news. thanks for sharing with the community ( whoever it was at the beginnning of this thread).

Being a big comics fan, I'm not too thrilled at the Marvel Heroscape idea. But you can be sure I'm going to give it a try.


And Joah, you're right - DC and Dark Horse will need to come next!

And the Spirit too!

[hextr1p]

It looks like the building breaks apart.
Good observation!

The wall on the ground has grooves similiar to those of the terrain tiles, but it looks like you can bust down walls. Seeing this, I'm even MORE interested to see if such rules are included with the castle set rules. I may be reaching here, but it is a possibility.

That said, Spiderman is included in the set, so I'm sold. ;) Though I don't see Wolverine. Perhaps he is out of frame...?

EDIT: Okay... even for me, this is a little much: Spiderman Operation (http://www.rebelscum.com/sdcc06/sdcc06-hasbroMARVEL/image36.asp)...? Ridiculous.

[Grungebob]

I completely and utterly agree, I do not want superheros in heroscape, they never even existed! theyre just made up fantasy figures! CMON!!! Although I would not mind if it is a different heroscape like game thats seperate from this heroscape.
Made up fantasy? Marro...Orcs...Dragons (well that's debatable)...Soulborgs...Vipers...Gorilinators...etc...

I'm willing to bet all my extra master set figures :wink: that Marvel Heroscape will be totally separate from Valhalla Heroscape.

yes but those are all possible one day. Who knows they mighrt be happening right now? there might be a planet resembling marr with advanced gorrilas, evolved snakes and marros. Its possible that somewhere i time and space that could happen, but we do know that all this super hero stuff is made up. Wich Is why I hope they keep the game seperate. :screwy:

[ninthdoc]

In case anyone is interested, I found a pic of the set on rebelscum.com, just go to the page listed below

http://www.rebelscum.com/sdcc06/sdcc06-hasbroGIJOE/image51.asp

I have no idea why the pic ended up grouped with their G.I.Joe pics.

OMFG!!!!!!! LOOK AT THAT BEAUTIFUL TERRAIN!!!!! DADDY WANTS... DADDY WANTS...

http://www.uclan.de/pics/smilie/blowup.gif

[hextr1p]

In case anyone is interested, I found a pic of the set on rebelscum.com, just go to the page listed below

http://www.rebelscum.com/sdcc06/sdcc06-hasbroGIJOE/image51.asp

I have no idea why the pic ended up grouped with their G.I.Joe pics.

OMFG!!!!!!! LOOK AT THAT BEAUTIFUL TERRAIN!!!!! DADDY WANTS... DADDY WANTS...

http://www.uclan.de/pics/smilie/blowup.gif
Seriously, Ninth? I mean, I'm diggin' the building, but the terrain looks a bit on the drab side to me. Personal opinion, though. But I'm curious, what catches your eye about it?

[feekonea]

I completely and utterly agree, I do not want superheros in heroscape, they never even existed! theyre just made up fantasy figures! CMON!!! Although I would not mind if it is a different heroscape like game thats seperate from this heroscape.
Made up fantasy? Marro...Orcs...Dragons (well that's debatable)...Soulborgs...Vipers...Gorilinators...etc...

I'm willing to bet all my extra master set figures :wink: that Marvel Heroscape will be totally separate from Valhalla Heroscape.

yes but those are all possible one day. Who knows they mighrt be happening right now? there might be a planet resembling marr with advanced gorrilas, evolved snakes and marros. Its possible that somewhere i time and space that could happen, but we do know that all this super hero stuff is made up. Wich Is why I hope they keep the game seperate. :screwy:


:rofl:
..I like you grungebob, I like you.

whhaaa? WAIT! NO! not tha- awwwww maannnnn. :D

[Grungebob]

I wonder if that is indicative of how much terrain you get with the set.

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

EDIT: Okay... even for me, this is a little much: Spiderman Operation (http://www.rebelscum.com/sdcc06/sdcc06-hasbroMARVEL/image36.asp)...? Ridiculous.

"Spidey funny bone tingling!"

[hextr1p]

I wonder if that is indicative of how much terrain you get with the set.
I'm curious about that, too. I'm also curious as to whether or not those are finished tiles, or just unpainted prototypes. The monotones color just don't pop like the the other Heroscape tiles, you know?

"Spidey funny bone tingling!"
Yeah... I can see this game as one my wife will buy just because it has Spiderman. I've really got to warn her to stay away from it...

[Custom_Creator]

If that is all the terrain you get then this it is more of an add-on than a second master set.
How may superheros do you think they will add? If this is it then I doubt it will be seperate from Valhalla Heroscape.
Will they start making superhero waves? If they do it would probably take precedence over normal Valhalla waves, which would suck.

[Grungebob]

I'm looking forward to this. It is new stuff and that is always good. There's bound to be some new twists on the rules as well. The new terrain will be awesome as we can have big regular heroscape battles in these cool multi tiered ruins.

[Custom_Creator]

Is it just me or does the building not connect inbetween the hex tiles like the ruins do? It looks like its just set on top.

[Grungebob]

It looks to be made as part of the hexes it is on. It is probably attached. See the line in the doorway?

[Custom_Creator]

Hmmm.. didn't see that. It will probably be kinda like the glaciers then. Looks like you will be able to attack the wall like the castle door, do enough damage and you take the piece out.

[Joah]

I posted in the wrong area probably,(merge away), but check out what I posted in the ComiCon event thread. I just received an e-mail from a friend who is there. He has played HS once or twice, so he isn't all that informed. But he knew I'd be interested.

[Grungebob]

See that groov is where the missing piece fits, so the actual building is attached to the hexes it is sitting on,

[Runehardt]

I'm sure the terrain is supposed to be plain. It's supposed to be asphalt and sidewalk like cement. I like the blue order markers. It looks like they have the same dice.
Bright yellow glyphs?

[Su-Bak-Na]

As long as it doesn't effect the current game I'm OK with it.

[Runehardt]

Maybe they'll come out with "Old TV sitcom Heroscape? I'll take a Chrissy Snow figure please. Or maybe a Marsha Brady.
We could have Hogan's Heroes up against the Partridge Family. The Munsters take on a hero figure Samantha Stevens or Jeannie (I Dream Of).

[ninthdoc]

In case anyone is interested, I found a pic of the set on rebelscum.com, just go to the page listed below

http://www.rebelscum.com/sdcc06/sdcc06-hasbroGIJOE/image51.asp

I have no idea why the pic ended up grouped with their G.I.Joe pics.

OMFG!!!!!!! LOOK AT THAT BEAUTIFUL TERRAIN!!!!! DADDY WANTS... DADDY WANTS...

http://www.uclan.de/pics/smilie/blowup.gif
Seriously, Ninth? I mean, I'm diggin' the building, but the terrain looks a bit on the drab side to me. Personal opinion, though. But I'm curious, what catches your eye about it?

In all honesty, it's mostly the ruined buildings. Those would be great in standard Heroscape. I agree the other terrain could use some work.

Where's Grishnakh?

[Agent Minivann]

I'd have to agree with the line of thought that the tiles are prototypes, but I'm really digging the ruins. I'm sure I'll be getting a set for the variety of terrain (hopefully it looks more polished by then) and the ruins. I'll give the game a try before I pass judgement on it, but I'll be optomistic on that one. At worst, I'll have a few superhero figs that I can put on my desk or something. A hulk hood ornament would be pretty cool on the green 'vann!

[Agent Minivann]

I think someone mentioned it looked like there were no stacked tiles, but if you look at Cap, he's got height advantage.

[Joah]

This is one thing I won't waiver on...No Blind Purchase!

[-Zim-]

I got to say I am not really disappointed like some are, I think this new set would be nice. I will be getting one as A.S.A.P :D

[-Zim-]

Also I don't know if anyone has zoomed in on the little white peice of paper in the bottom left corner as far as I can read it says "Marvel Legends Heroscape" then the next few words I cant make out and the last it says July '07.

[bushi96]

I think this will be awesome! Just playing a standalone superhero version will be a blast :mrgreen: ! I dont see superheroes as being totally unbalanced. I mean, you are going to tell me that Mimring shooting lines of fire are less powerful then a getting a spiderweb thrown at ya :?: And good ol' Jotun wouldnt stand a chance arm wrestling the Hulk? I dunno...Maybe they will have to be high costed, but I dont see them as being impossibly over balanced.

The tiles have got to be a prototype. I cant see them sending out mono-tone tiles. And why bother making the hexes stackable if you cant stack them? The tear-down building just makes me giddy like a little school girl. Didnt anyone notice the Silver Surfer base? Ummmm, REAL flying rules at last- no more hopping rules!

And for those naysayers bitching that Heroscape is on its last leg (god how I would like to name names...)- will you zip it now? :P

[-Zim-]

Maybe its just for this display, but did you notice there are no stacked tiles? IMHO height advantage defines heroscape. Will Marvel Legends Heroscape have hills and mountians (in the rules)? or just ruined buildings?


Look very closely at Captain America, there are stacked tiles ^^

[cylence]

Also I don't know if anyone has zoomed in on the little white peice of paper in the bottom left corner as far as I can read it says "Marvel Legends Heroscape" then the next few words I cant make out and the last it says July '07.

It looks like the left column has a product number(?), center column says "$24.99" (may be $29.99, but it looks too sharp to be a 9), right column says "Avail JAN '07".

Date makes sense since their contract with Marvel lets them start selling games as of 2007. Why wait until june when you can sell it 6 months earlier. And it looks too polished to take another year to release that.

Price makes sense for the smaller amount of terrain. Lower point of entry would help sales. I'd expect the game to be much more close quarters based anyway.

I like it - the black tiles would look really good mixed in with the lava tiles, and the white tiles would make some good desert. And purely hypothesizing, the game may make a better "quick play" game vs. "classic" heroscape.

I fully expect this to be a seperate line, hence all the "starter items": dice, counters, etc. Only problem I see is that if they have problems getting retailers to properly stock the current game products, will Hasbro have any better luck adding in a second product line? Optimistically, the new line may help convince retailers they need to treat the game more as an action figure line than a board game, stocking wise. Pessimistically, retail just doesn't care about toys & games - shelfwarmers and poor restocking is common place in every toy product line.

[GaryLASQ]

here's a question for the Marvel experts. just how many different "Marvel Legends" characters are there? i'm wondering how many expansions they could come up with assuming fig counts per package are similar to *yuck, i can't believe i have to say this next word* Classic Heroscape. and what kind of squads could be made?

[-Zim-]

It looks like the left column has a product number(?), center column says "$24.99" (may be $29.99, but it looks too sharp to be a 9), right column says "Avail JAN '07".



Thanks, I was trying my best to read it but all I could make out was the 2.

[GaryLASQ]

It looks like the left column has a product number(?), center column says "$24.99" (may be $29.99, but it looks too sharp to be a 9), right column says "Avail JAN '07".
hmm, that's intersting. right around $30 or less. this could be just a flash in the pan so to speak. just another quicky application of the Marvel name to an existing product line. fewer figs, less terrain and a much shorter run of expansions. even simpler rules if that's possible. maybe this is an attempt to really go after that target market of 8 - 12 year old boys :)

[ultradoug]

they have sold out.

[Agent Minivann]

here's a question for the Marvel experts. just how many different "Marvel Legends" characters are there? i'm wondering how many expansions they could come up with assuming fig counts per package are similar to *yuck, i can't believe i have to say this next word* Classic Heroscape. and what kind of squads could be made?

It depends how obscure they will go. If it is a blind purchase thing, then they could go pretty deep. If it isn't blind purchase they'll have to go with the popular ones. At about 5-8 figs per booster times 4 per wave, I'm betting they run about 3 waves plus the Marvel MS (MMS?) at about 15-20 figs. As for squads, I'm not sure what could be done their. Teams are not a group of the same type of individual, so they'd each have to have powers unique to them if they are combined into a squad. Maybe a point of departure for this HS variant would be you can define your own squads of individual heroes and one order marker activates all of them. Maybe there could be a Basic game style side that would be used for them as a squad, and the other side for use as a hero.

[bushi96]

here's a question for the Marvel experts. just how many different "Marvel Legends" characters are there? i'm wondering how many expansions they could come up with assuming fig counts per package are similar to *yuck, i can't believe i have to say this next word* Classic Heroscape. and what kind of squads could be made?

From their January press release-
"...Through the agreement, Hasbro has obtained the rights to develop products based on Marvel’s globally-known universe of over 5,000 characters..."

[CornPuff]

Huh I guess my eyes are weak, but now that you mention it, Captain america is standing on raised terrain, and it does seem to say 24.99 Jan 07

I used windows magnifier, but i think thats the wrong approach. You just gotta squint until the letters fall into place.

Either way, with the reduced landscape set, it would make sense to switch from a terrain based game to a super power based game. Anyone with just one MS knows how hard it is to make rolling hills. It count just over 100 hexes, which is far fewer than a master set.

Did anyone else mention that the wall segment laying near the board looks like it was part of the building to the left?

[ultradoug]

http://www.rebelscum.com/sdcc06/sdcc06-hasbroGIJOE/IMG_0392.JPG

....
lameness factor X 99999
sorry. I will pass on this.

[GaryLASQ]

over 5,000 characters. wow.

[-Zim-]

I think when you looking at something for 15 minutes straight you bound to notice something that doesn't catch your eye the first time.

[Venom]

who's the character behind capt. america? holding up 2 guns i think?

[spacemonkeymafia]

uh yeah, pass. hey I think this definitely deserves a poll

[reapersaurus]

Something to keep in mind is that a STAPLE of superhero games is Knockback. :D

And it would make sense to have destructable walls when figures are punching other figures so hard that they fly into them (and possibly through them).

I'd love to see the designers get creative with terrain and pull something like that off.

[cylence]

Well, with the movies due next summer, I'd expect to see a Fantastic Four pack, and some type of Spiderman 3 tie-in. And you know they can do several packs of X-men vs. (enter continuity based villain team here). Looks like they have several of the key "independent" heroes in the starter, though I have to admit I can't make out the villain figures.

It fully depends on how they work the rules, but since each hero has multiple foes (continuity wise), They could release common henchmen and unique villains/heroes. Play a small team of unique heroes vs. a nemesis or two and a bunch of evil punching bags. Otherwise I think it'd be all uniques (maybe that helps the consumer pricing point and distribution, since there isn't any reason to buy X packs of common figs.)

And yes, I see this targeting the younger market, but also the adult comic & miniatures fans who didn't buy in to the mixed fantasy/sci-fi theme of the original. Just like heroclix targeted a somewhat different audience than mechwarrior and mage knight did for wizkids.

And Hasbro would be foolish to change what works and make it a blind pull game. But then again, they did repeat the 2 hero - 1 terrain packing problem , so I don't give their marketing department much credit..

It's still a wait and see item for me, depending on how they implement it. If it portrays some of the comic book feel, I'd be interested. If it's just a bash 'em up translation of heroscape with comic book figures, i'd only be interested in the terrain.

[Rhydderch]

Sky- From all that has been revealed it seems that the superheroes will have their own game system. Take a look at Mage Knight and Heroclix...same concept and basic rules but the nitty gritty is/was worlds apart (well maybe not worlds).

Yeah and Mage Knight is now defunct.

Sorry to be another pessimist but I think I have to agree with Sky here. I just feel MarvelScape has a good chance of edging out our favorite game. Hasbro has never really paid attention to the HSer community given its kiddy polls and I expect Marvel Heroes will more popular than obscure characters created by Hasbro. If that is the case then our own version of Heroscape may go the way of Mage Knight and the dinosaurs =(

Even if Hasbro does continue the Heroscape line we may see other issues arise. The wave 5 update has taken far too long and I just cannot help but wonder if maybe it is because attention was shifted towards the new Marvel game.

I may still give the game a try but I definitely hope it does not edge our game out of the market. I would almost (but not quite) prefer if they made the Marvel pack a regular HS expansion simply because it would mean less competition for what GaryLASQ called Heroscape Classic.

As for squads, I'm not sure what could be done there.

I think squads fit naturally into MarvelScape. I could see them composed of swat teams and police officers for the good guys and gangsters and thugs for the bad guys. Unique squads could include any of the elite forces in the Marvel comics such as members of S.H.I.E.L.D. or maybe those Ninjas who serve the Mandarin.

And I know regular thugs may seem weak compared to some of the heroes in the game but then most of the Superheroes would also seem pretty darned weak compared to the likes of Silver Surfer or Thanos.

[Karkadinn]

My two cents:
I don't mind this, so long as it doesn't screw up the regular game with compatible figure power bloat, or completely edge out the normal game via the hook on the current big Hollywood movie trend. Which I hope won't happen, but we'll just have to wait and see. :) I'll even buy it if it's good enough, and compatible (probably not if it's not compatible, though... I've invested too much energy into the normal game!).
I think this means we'll be seeing less power-bloated, too complex superhero customs, at least, and that's nothing but good IMHO. ;D
If they use the blind purchase format I'll personally drive to Hasbro headquarters and kick their asses. The popularity of Heroscape is in large part due to it filling a large niche of people who're sick and tired of blind purchases.
I think assuming that the hexes won't stack because the display doesn't have any stacked is jumping to conclusions way too early.
Heroes I personally want to see: Feral, Domino, Moon Knight, Mr. Sinister, Venom, and Deadpool. I base this purely on the fact that those characters look really cool and not because I care about their powers, personalities, or histories in any way, shape, form, or fashion. Magneto may have that whole 'I just want to defend mutantity from evul prejudiced normies' thing goin' on, but he's also equipped with the dorkiest helmet known to man, and don't even get me STARTED on Apocalypse or the Juggernaut. Feh. Also, Deadpool has the coolest name of any fictional character written, drawn, or otherwise displayed. Ever. I had an action figure of him when I was a kid. He had a retractable stabbity knife.

[Jandars_Hope]

NO thank you! i think i'll pass on this!

[skyknight]

You knop maybe if we are real lucky, Hasbro will introduce the Pokemon line as well. Wouldn't that be ducky. Or how about my Little pony Battle of all time. Yeah I want the pretty blue one with stars tattooed on its ass. Holy Mouthful of fangs Batman, that sure is a big T-rex. Yes Robin, oral hygiene is always important, hand me the bat dino reppellant. Oh thank you thank you thank you Hasbro. I was wishin......wishin upon a star.

[Jandars_Hope]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! :D

[ultradoug]

You knop maybe if we are real lucky, Hasbro will introduce the Pokemon line as well. Wouldn't that be ducky. Or how about my Little pony Battle of all time. Yeah I want the pretty blue one with stars tattooed on its ass. Holy Mouthful of fangs Batman, that sure is a big T-rex. Yes Robin, oral hygiene is always important, hand me the bat dino reppellant. Oh thank you thank you thank you Hasbro. I was wishin......wishin upon a star.

Hey, if it was Pokemon I would not be grumbling right now - that was like, my first ever custom:

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f348/coolmondoug/baf30698.jpg

Or Sailor Moon, that too would rock. (someone did customs of those awhile back, wayy back when)

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f348/coolmondoug/normal_sailor_moon.jpg

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f348/coolmondoug/normal_inner_senshi.jpg

(I'd make each Sailor Senshi / Scout a Unique hero)

My Little Pony - didn't you know Mimring IS based on one?

See:

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f348/coolmondoug/pring.gif

Yeah anyway... I will not buy any of this when it comes out, and belive me, when they do market it, they better be faster on the updates if you think this community is bad about it - get those heroclick people (whom are the ones they are trying to lure over I guess) on the game, and belive me, there will be large complaning, grumbling etc... Also, since we are on that note, recall alot ALOT of people have made marvel customs on this page, - PROTECT YOUR WORK - I'd not be suprised to see alot of those ideas on these cards... not saying that they can't come up with them themselfs.. oh since we are on this subject, so yeah- why would I buy this figure if I can get it in a Heroclick booster... (on ebay etc) and stick it on a base? .... No reasion? Thats what I thought.

Also, all of them will have to be heros , that meens even LESS money for Hasbro. Great idea guys.

Oh yeah, "comming soon"

At least with Pokemon, theres 350+ of them, and alot "could" be common.
Zzzzzzzz

[Karkadinn]

Or Sailor Moon, that too would rock. (someone did customs of those awhile back, wayy back when)

That was me! :D
Nice to know at least one person liked them enough to save them... ;)

oh since we are on this subject, so yeah- why would I buy this figure if I can get it in a Heroclick booster... (on ebay etc) and stick it on a base? .... No reasion? Thats what I thought.

You'd be surprised what people will pay just to have the 'official' version of something instead of a fan-made piece.


Also, all of them will have to be heros , that meens even LESS money for Hasbro. Great idea guys.

Most of them, maybe, but not all. There's some common critters in the Marvelverse too. Sentinels, for instance. Not too sure how well they'd sell though, I admit.


At least with Pokemon, theres 350+ of them, and alot "could" be common.
Zzzzzzzz

I would totally use Pikachu in HeroScape. He's a cute little bastard, better aesthetics than most of the critters. And in the beginning of the show he had a lil attitude, too. Too bad they dropped that, it gave him personality.

[skyknight]

:shock: Pokemon..... you think that would be a good idea :shock: excuse me for one second please uuuuuuuuuuuugggggggggggghhhhhhhh.. hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu uuuuuuuuuuuuggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh nnnnnnnnnnooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

:brickwall:

[ultradoug]

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f348/coolmondoug/taesm.gif
(super rant)

what its aimed at kids right?
Aiming for the marval people, would drag in more adults, and also drag in (oh my word) comic guys.

I meen, sure its a way to make money, I'm not saying its not, the fans of the orginal thing (us) will get it for the terane maybe... I'm not sure, I'm on the side of I'm not getting it.

Its just, this is not marking towards there target audence, (baffling) this seems to in fact going the other way going, "well adults like it they also like marval, lets put it in)

I recall alot of talk on HQ etc about "what if such and such" teamed up with scape, and what would happen. Now all we have to have happen is WOTC take over... and that would be them taking it with the Marvel (So that WOTC / Hasbro can BEAT HEROCLICKS) and thats what this is about, face it, Hasbro cant beat wizkids at there own game, and WOTC has been matching them slowly, but this would drag Marvel fans away from click (maybe) and give them something NEW to play. And trust me, WOTC is classic for not alowing other expantions into there tourment orginised play.

So if you wanted to compeat in there stuff, it would be with Marvel stuff only. It could happen, belive me. Now, on the good side, this meens that Heroscape will never die - once WOTC has this tourment orginised and pulls the fans from Marvel over, they will swarm on this game, learn how to play (with only those figures mind you) and our "version" will be (mocked/laughed at) this page will be an after thought (because WOTC pages will be loaded with people) and our game will be gone...

It could happen. Yes, I'm being a neh sayer here, we will see a few things more for "our" version, and thats a good hope.

This MIGHT be a protype, might be a "hey lets see if people like this" - since it was a comic con, the reacion (or lack thereof) might convince hasbro not to do it, after all licencing these guys is gonna be uber expencive, and I'm sure a royality must be payed.

Anywoo, time will tell.

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f348/coolmondoug/taesm.gif

End rant.

[Venom]

:shock: Pokemon..... you think that would be a good idea :shock: excuse me for one second please uuuuuuuuuuuugggggggggggghhhhhhhh.. hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu uuuuuuuuuuuuggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh nnnnnnnnnnooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

:brickwall:

i'll join u sky.

:reaper: :explode:

[skyknight]

You know what, maybe I was not thinking clearly on this whole crossover thing. Lets see here... well the possibilities are endless, why here comes one now

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h287/Skyknightsalbum/HCC%20cards/DoraTheExplorerCard.jpg

Just think of the numbers of sets we could sell to the four year old catagory. Oh happy days are here :roll:

[Grungebob]

I'm copying this from the ComicCon thread because I think it is an excellent point:

Here's the thing, I don't want HS to change either, but you're worried about the lore and the story behind the game, which has very little to do w/the game itself.

IMO, HS has one of the coolest engines in gaming today. It's simple, fast, and easy to learn and teach. Its simplicity is one of its strongest points. I've wondered why we haven't seen any other companies produce something similar to HS to try to cash in on its popularity.

So the point that I'm trying to make is that there is absolutely no reason why the two HS universes (Classic HS and Marvel Legends HS) can't co-exist in a separate but equal relationship. I'd like to see the HS engine applied to other games. For example, I love the figures in WotC Star Wars Minis. I hate the gameplay. Regarding the other blind purchase hogs, I'd like to see Marvel Legends HS become popular enough to rattle what's left of WizKids's cage.

I too look at Marvel Heroscape as an awesome thing. What I don't understand is all this negativity about it. WTF? How in the heck can any of this be a bad thing. They are obviously putting money and effort into expanding the line. We will now have more choices. More players will be joining our ranks and will undoubtedly get turned on to Heroscape Classic. Where's the problem?

[Revdyer]

And you have yellow glyphs.
If those aren't glyphs, but yellow "liquid" hexs (like water and lava and ice), maybe they are wino urine in the urban setting. :D

[skyknight]

Do you see how much support we get from Hasbro now. We cannot even get the sets we want as we speak. Yet introducing a brand new line into the game is going to speed up our side of things? What is wrong with the system as is. Hasbro cannot even get us the stuff we want now! Or god forbid, what if Marvel takes off? Does our version of Hs become the next D&d basic set? Played only by those few loyal people. I'm just saying pretty much that Hasbro cannot get its crap straight with our version, and now they want to release a new version. WTF is correct. The only hope I see is that if Hasbro markets this as its own game, completely seperate from ours. Like Monopoly and Life. And I am just not excited about the blend, I think it is a pure and simple sell out. I am assuming those who want this are also ok with a Star Wars version? Transformers? I am not at all ok with these lines either.
I am really dissapointed, I thought the Hasbro guys were a little more creative than this. I mean honestly is this the best move you can think of. I remember in the whats in the future thread.... I do not recall anyone mentioning an idea like this at all. There were a thousand possibilities, dungeons, water worlds, Vahalla itself....and what do we get. HEROCLIX.

[Grungebob]

There are a few statements that drive me nuts!!

1) Hasbro doesn't support Heroscape.

We all have huge collections of enough Heroscape toyage to last anybody a lifetime!! This statement is trumped by all those people complaining about product being released too frequently

2) Hasbro is messing up Heroscape marketing

Is there any evidence of this? I'd say there is evidence that just the opposite is true. I think Hasbro sees Heroscape as a limited cash cow that has done well for the amount of effort that they have put to it.

There are so many of you complaining about nonsense here. Hasbro introduces a new way to play Heroscape possibly adding more players to our ranks and you are crying that the sky is fallin!!

[Finrod]

Hasbro introduces a new way to play Heroscape possibly adding more players to our ranks and you are crying that the sky is fallin!!

Actually, I'm crying that once again, Hasbro sets up a HUGE Heroscape display at a convention, and once again... no one's taking pictures of it!!

Is it too much to ask that while you're rushing to take pictures of the latest variant action figure hiding at the bottom of a glass case underneath dozens of other action figures that you take some pictures of the massive modular gameboard setup with a huge castle and dragons and everything?!?!

/end rant

[Hahnarama]

....Actually, I'm crying that once again, Hasbro sets up a HUGE Heroscape display at a convention, and once again... no one's taking pictures of it!!

Hey now.........yesterday was the first day. Oogie will be there today with bells on and his camera.

Paitence Grasshopper.

[Finrod]

....Actually, I'm crying that once again, Hasbro sets up a HUGE Heroscape display at a convention, and once again... no one's taking pictures of it!!

Hey now.........yesterday was the first day. Oogie will be there today with bells on and his camera.

Paitence Grasshopper.

Yes, I'm very happy that one of our own will actually be there. Can't wait to see what the Oogster gets for us.

My rant was directed at all the major toy news sites - the ones that have HUNDREDS of photos on their sites right now from SDCC, and out of those hundreds of photos, we have a grand total of TWO photos of Heroscape... no, wait... I forgot the one of the dorky guy pointing at the dice and ignoring the board and the figures. That makes three.

[skyknight]

Ok, would you be alright with a pokemon expansion GB? some have already said they would. There really is no difference in the two.

[UranusPChicago]

My only question so far is why there are no Unit Cards included in that one picture. Hopefully we will get that information soon enough.

I am withholding my rant because I just don't have the energy. So let me sum up...

Relax. It's not like its a "hoax" or anything....

[Kepler]

get ready for StarWars Heroscape...any guess as to when? Spring 2008?

Now that would be awesome!!!

[ninthdoc]

here's a question for the Marvel experts. just how many different "Marvel Legends" characters are there?

Thousands.

Classic Heroscape.

I believe I coined that term! :D

and what kind of squads could be made?

SHIELD, Hydra, Kree, Skrull, Shi'ar (sp?), etc...

who's the character behind capt. america? holding up 2 guns i think?

That looks like Nick Fury. Yes!

Oh, wait, his head is red... The Red Skull?

Okay, I see. Here are the match ups:

Thanos vs. The Silver Surfer
Captain America vs. The Red Skull
Spidey vs. Venom
The Hulk vs. The Abomination

The only weird one is Doctor Doom and Iron Man (not usually known to fight with each other).

I'm still desperately in love w/the ruins. To be honest I'd welcome a set w/less terrain and a lower price point. If the price and amount of terrain were the same as Classic HS, I don't know where I'd put it. I want 20 of these, too. :screwy:

[noodles]

Sky and GBob - I think you both make good points. I'm very torn on this. On one hand I agree with Gbob, I think it will bring more fans to the game so that's a good thing. However there is a big part of me that sees this as the beginning of the end for HS as we know it. I'm really against the idea of bringing brands into our figures even more than I am with the repaints.

I'm going to reserve my judgement on this for now but I just can't help but think that this will somehow start to "take over" and like Sky said, we'll have a Star Wars heroscape come out, then a Transformers heroscape. Where will that end? I'm just not comfortable with unoriginal figures being introduced into the game. I think it shows a huge lack of creativity and just reeks of greed.

But if marvelscape takes off and that gives classicscape more shelflife then as much as I dislike the idea, it could be beneficial.

Like I said, I just don't know what to fully think of this right now. But I do know I have a bad taste in my mouth at the moment.

[Hahnarama]

My only question so far is why there are no Unit Cards included in that one picture. Hopefully we will get that information soon enough.

I am withholding my rant because I just don't have the energy. So let me sum up...

Relax. It's not like its a "hoax" or anything....

I think we are not seeing cards because I am getting the vibe that the units are under glass on display @ another part of the Con and not at the Scape booth. They are big on secutiry there. In years past folks have tried to walk out with new protos.

Hoax???? :P

[JerBear]

As a brand new player (bougth the MS abotu 2 weeks ago) - I think this is a good thing.

-It will bring new people to HS. That's just a plain fact.

-There is a TON of stuff out there already for "clasic" HS. Really. For new players it is intimidating how much stuff is out there for a game that is only 2-3 years old (???). Hasbro's releases are/were going to slow down at some point. If anything, a new wave of players could give htem incentive to straighten out their distribution problems.

-I think it would be possible to incorporate superheroes into the curent HS rules. They would almost all be unique heroes (w/ expensive point costs). Heroes like SS coudl easily be broken, but it wouldn't be that hard to incorporate Hulk, Wolverine, or Spidey. SH also fit the mythos pretty well. Seriously, if you were Jandar and you were going to pick earthlings to fight for you- woudln't you look for a SH?


Just thoughts form a noob.

[netherspirit]

I haven't posted my thoughts yet, because I am undecied about what to think. On the one hand I am not a big fan of licensed characters but on the other hand those ruins look freaking cool...

I dunno, I just feel that if they are going to make it there is no sense in wasting time and energy bitching about something that I have no control over.

When it comes out you can either embrace it or ignore it.

[truth]

When it comes out you can either embrace it or ignore it.

Exactlly! No one is forcing your hand here. No one is telling you there is a new product and you must buy it. Now if Classic HS suffers as a result then whine and complain about it.

And as far as the earlier comment about pokemon being the same as superheroes... :shock: I find that insulting. I'm a fan of comic book superheroes. To put me on the same page as drooling 10 year olds with rotten brains yelling out goofy names of wierd jappanese cartoons... insulting. To further prove the point they are not the same. There are billions of dollars being made off of tickets from adults going to see super hero movies as of late. There are millions of dollars being made off of toys and games and cartoons from SMALL CHILDREN on pokemon. The super heroes are not inviting children to the game. They are simply doing the same thing fantasy does for the game. Pull in all age ranges, because that's what superheroes do. Maybe they arent' your cup of tea. So don't friggin' buy them!

[Finrod]

I found one more photo of the ComicCon display (incorrectly labeled as Heroclix :roll: ).

http://www.infuzemag.com/gallery/Comic-Con-2006/PICT2378

Important thing to notice: cards!!! Lying around all over the place! Dare we hope Oogie gets us the stats for Wave 5?!?! Or even the rules for castles?

EDIT: If you look here:
http://www.infuzemag.com/gallery/Comic-Con-2006/PICT2376

You can see the dominance that the Heroscape section has for the Hasbro booth!

[Kepler]

Good post truth.

Also, I don't care if they do a Pokeman or My Little Pony HS set. I just wouldn't buy it. And if they cancelled the regular line to produce these, then I would be disappointed that the classic HS line was done but it has to end some time.

As others have said, there is plenty of HS product to keep us busy for years to come. But I doubt that classic HS is done yet.

My son will love the Marvel Legends HS, so yes I will get it.

[Finrod]

...but it has to end some time.

Says who???

I'm sure someone said that about Monopoly once, too... :D

[Kepler]

...but it has to end some time.

Says who???

I'm sure someone said that about Monopoly once, too... :D

But how often do we get new classic Monopoly products. :D

Even if they stop producing additional classic HS (okay I am now using CHS fopr this -- I am already tired of the tyoing classic) product, CHS could still be sold. Heck, it will be 10 years before castles and wave 5 actually hit the stores.

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

I found one more photo of the ComicCon display (incorrectly labeled as Heroclix :roll: ).

http://www.infuzemag.com/gallery/Comic-Con-2006/PICT2378

Important thing to notice: cards!!! Lying around all over the place! Dare we hope Oogie gets us the stats for Wave 5?!?! Or even the rules for castles?



Thanks for finding the additional photos! I don't see any possible Wave 5 figures or cards on that big table. I was thinking the white-clad women agents would be an immediate identification.
But that doesn't mean there aren't any Wave 5 on the smaller table. 8)

[spiderM9]

If they make hexes that fit together and other stuff that takes paint, in the end it's all raw material for me. And just think of how many spare bases we'll be able to pick up at garage sales about 2 months after it hits the shelves at Target.

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

If they make hexes that fit together and other stuff that takes paint, in the end it's all raw material for me. And just think of how many spare bases we'll be able to pick up at garage sales about 2 months after it hits the shelves at Target.

Yes! I still fantasize about the garage sale goldmine of Heroscape stuff I'll find some day. I remember someone writing a post about finding MBS and card for $0.25 at a garage sale.

My find will come someday.

:pray:

[Doc_Savage]

I will also be at Comic-Con this weekend for work and play. As soon as I saw the other thread with the picture of Rob (who was not there last year to support the game when it was newer....) I thought back to the Marvelscape threads of old.... This comes as no surprise to me and I will be sure to take pics as well.

I'm surprised that no one has yet to notice that the bases are different. They are grey, not brown. This to me says more to support the parallel systems.........

Must get in the car and drive to San Diego - NOW!

[ninthdoc]

My son will love the Marvel Legends HS, so yes I will get it.

This is also a big draw for me. My son is 6. He loves the figs and playing on my maps. But he just "plays". He gets bored w/HS. I've tried to get him to play the basic game, but he wants the special powers.

I see Marvel HS as a way to get him more interested in the game; and that's what Hasbro is betting on, I'm sure.

[Marsman]

Let the votes pour in!

[JerBear]

Concept- Yes

Execution - very important and we have NO info as of yet.

Catiously optomistic

[ReverendBayes]

Yes for now. But I may change my vote as we get more info.

And they'd better not make the Marvelscape figs common. :roll:

[hero]

Did I get your attention?

I don't chime in on the game much anymore, but let me just toss this grenade into the mix.

Licensing is the single best thing that could EVER happen to the game.

There are really only two options for Heroscape going forward:

1: Continue to publish expansions and "new" master sets every once in a while.
2: Take the game system and tie it to licenses

If HAS just pursued option 1, they would fairly quickly run into a marketing wall. In fact, I'd be stunned if they hadn't already. There are only so many hardcore fans out there who will buy EVERYTHING, so demand WILL peak. When demand peaks, the company (any company) will try to extract more from the existing sales volume to keep earnings growing. This means you'll see less and less come out, lower quality, and fewer people working on the game (which leads to all sorts of bad things).

By pursuing number 2 (and let's be clear: they're not closing down the original game and saying "its done") they get the best of all worlds. The good designers get to keep working on the game, marketing gets something new and fresh to sell to walmart, and more money flows into the big Heroscape line on the P&L. This keeps the game alive. There is, simply put, no alternative. None. Zip. And you're a total ****ing moron if you don't believe it.

You should be cheering this with heart and soul. Don't like 'em? Don't play with them. Simple enough. ALL you should be concerned about is "will HAS continue to make the game, and print product we actually like." But you should be PRAYING for Marvel, Star Wars, and whatever cheesy branding franchise you can think come up with. By having a license strategy, HS goes from being a game that lasted more than one year (a HUGE rarity for a mass market game) to a SYSTEM (think D20, monopoly and trivial pursuit). A SYSTEM can last FOREVER. A mass market game has a very limited life.

Pray for "mylittleponyscape" with every ounce of your being. It will mean we have achieved world domination.

That is all.[/code]

[feekonea]

I do not back it, but as long as it stays away from classic heroscape, I will not mind it.

[ninthdoc]

Yes! But I demand the Nick Fury and a squad of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents arrive in the first expansion wave!

[CupidsArt]

Yup.

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

My son is 6. He loves the figs and playing on my maps. But he just "plays". He gets bored w/HS.

I can get my son to play the master way w/o order markers, but about halfway through, he gets a bit bored too. In 2 years our sons should show more interest? :shrug:



Anyway, I still can't believe Heroscape is going in this direction. It says so much of the success of the game. Like the Monopoly reference, I can see it staying around for a good long while. And it could initiate a move away from the blind purchase miniature game systems.

And someone (Ninthdoc?) mentioned why we've seen no Heroscape copycat games yet - I think the product has to be spectacular for a company to greenlight such an endeavor. Especially if it's going to have waves of expansions.

I suppose a cheap knockoff could be produced. It's going to be difficult to match the custom terraining feature HS has to offer.

[ninthdoc]

Excellent post hero! I still wanna meet you at GenCon, smelly yellow shirt and everything! :gencon:

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

Yes! But I demand the Nick Fury and a squad of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents arrive in the first expansion wave!

Can I get Reaper to shout out with me?


"Taskmaster!"

[feekonea]

1) first of all buddy, watch your language, there are kids on this site.

2) I see your point with #1 but I still want heroscape to keep occuring, there are so many fans out there, that its only 2 years old and already this popular, I dont think that we will need to worry about that for at least 2 more years.

3) Yes, I will support marvelscape if it stays completely away from heroscape, it will get more people into the game, bring hasbro more profits, and make hasbro realize even more how popular heroscape is. I just dont like the idea of superheros beeing broughrt to classic heroscape, but I wouldnt mind if they made a different game, or even the same game, as long as it doesnt not cross the classic heroscape path.

o ya...and another thing, I AM praying for mylittleponyscape. :D

[ninthdoc]

Yes! But I demand the Nick Fury and a squad of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents arrive in the first expansion wave!

Can I get Reaper to shout out with me?


"Taskmaster!"

That's fine, but Fury still rocks the world, baby. 8)

[CupidsArt]

Yes! But I demand the Nick Fury and a squad of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents arrive in the first expansion wave!

Can I get Reaper to shout out with me?


"Taskmaster!"

I could see him having something like this.

Morph Weapon
Special Attack

After moving and before attacking, choose a figure within 4 clear sight spaces of Tweak. Roll the 20-sided die. If you roll a 12 or higher, Tweak may attack with the chosen figure's Special Attack this turn.

[hex706f726368]

I don't mind if if the classic game comes to an end, although I don't think marvelscapel means doom for the classic version. It might slow down, but I don't see it ending yet.

I'll definitely be buying marvelscape product as long as there is one and only one of each hero. I don't want multiple versions of each hero.

I'd love to see them incorporate knockback rules somehow.

[yagyuninja]

Yeah. I think the engine and terrain are the things that I really love about heroscape. Applying new licenses is fine by me. Heck, if I ever have a daughter that would only be willing to play MyLittlePonyScape, I say bring on the PonyScape!

[Hahnarama]

1) first of all buddy, watch your language, there are kids on this site.

Watch out here it comes...............Flying F'Tards to follow!

[allskulls]

Wow! 12 pages! Nice pic!

I wanted to respond to many posts here, but I won't go into the quoting so..

I actually like the terrain as is. Why should the street have different colors in it anyway? That does look like a break-away piece!

As for the character selection, ninthdoc caught all the matchups well and to add to that...notice they represent cosmic (SS vs Thanos), monstrous brutes (Hulk vs Abomination), patriotic supersoldiers (Cap vs Redskull), urban superhumans (Spidey vs Venom), and hi-tech blasters (Ironman vs Dr. Doom). I remember that Doom actually stole technology from Stark. I'm sure the FF will show up in the Clobberin' Time expansion :wink: .

I am pretty sure expansions won't be blind buys. It just not Hasbro's way.

I agree with the squads' possibility of being SHEILD, Brood, Hydra, Skrull and the like. But like someone posted here they could allow multiple activations for a team. That would be better IMO. Spidey could be a wildcard being activated with any team but he will probably be Avengers.

As for DC, has anyone taken into account that the Heroscape comics are published by DC? I remember Heroclix starting with Marvel and DC jumping on board after the waters were tested. It is a fact that DC is more cautious about their product than Marvel is. Just take a look at the movies. DC is strictly WB while Marvel is all over the place. And then there's that Spider-man Operation game :roll: .

All Marvel Heroscape haters and complaniers... :boring:

[hero]

there are so many fans out there, that its only 2 years old and already this popular, I dont think that we will need to worry about that for at least 2 more years.

Oh, the innocence, the quiet naivete. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

(Oh and about number 1: bite me)

[markwars]

I have no real interest in playing MarvelScape but I will buy it. Why? Because of the new terrain and the fact that I'm a Scape junkie. Though I am a long time fan of Marvel I just don't get interested in playing Super Heroes. Perhaps it was the prolonged exposure to AD&D as a kid...but I like my games and comics seperate.

I used to be with the group that said "as soon as there are licensed products included in HS it's over", but now I can see how that was wrong. This is a VERY good thing for Heroscape in general. It says that Hasbro is interested in not only keeping HS going, but also adding new twists to an awesome game engine. Seeing this terrain makes me want to play alot of existing units on it. It also makes me hope that there is a Star Wars subset just so I can get some cool terrain to play on. Wouldn't all that Imperial Gray make a great Soulborg stronghold? Perhaps a LotR add on could finally include some Dwarves? 8)

This isn't the end in my mind. It's chapter two.

[CupidsArt]

there are so many fans out there, that its only 2 years old and already this popular, I dont think that we will need to worry about that for at least 2 more years.

Oh, the innocence, the quiet naivete. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

(Oh and about number 1: bite me)

Wow, I feel like I'm back on .net, oh the joy :banana:

[yagyuninja]

Hero (to feekonea): "What have I ever done to make you treat me so disrespectfully? If you'd come to me in friendship, then this scum that ruined your [favorite game] would be suffering this very day. And if by chance an honest man like yourself should make enemies, then they would become my enemies. And then they would fear you."

[ninthdoc]

feekonea, I usually rail against foul language being posted here, but hero is just one of those guys that gets to say what he wants and nobody will say anything to him ever. If you don't know, hero started the first ever Heroscape fansite, heroscape.net, which we affectionately refer to as ".net". I agree that language needs to be kept in check here, but if you'll http://wildmary.net-sauvage.com/weblog/themes/dotparking/smilies/mdrtfm.gif, you'll see that:

As with anything relating to tone, this is obviously a subjective and lame standard. It will be applied inconsistently: you may see someone get away with something one day and the next week someone’s gone for the same thing. It’s going to happen.

This post was intended to be flippant, but accurate. I'm not trying to stir anything up, I jus like using smileys. :P

[feekonea]

there are so many fans out there, that its only 2 years old and already this popular, I dont think that we will need to worry about that for at least 2 more years.

Oh, the innocence, the quiet naivete. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

(Oh and about number 1: bite me)

Ok I guess we will have to see, then. Do you know how much profit heroscape makes? There are hundreds of thousands of people out there that buy this, maybe not in your area, but in mine nothing ever goes on sale, ever. At my TRU and target the mastersets have always been $40, all the expansions have always been $12.99, and the VW and RTTFF have always been $19.99, I asked the guy how come nothing ever goes on sale here, he said they sell out way to fast to ever be put on sale. I heroscape will have a few more years left in it to still be in the running.

O ya, and im not going to bite you, but the site admins might do something to you, if you keep this up.


edit: type-o

[RichardD]

I agree with hero's sentiments, but not his language (nor his bluntness).

Where he says that moving from being a game to becoming a system is the key, he's absolutely on the money - not for us, the HS fans, but for the corporate buyers; and it's those orporate buyers that decide if a product is going to be stocked (and in what quantities) which make the difference between a limited shelf life and a living franchise.

[yagyuninja]

At first I thought "eeeugh...how did this marvel get in my valhalla?"

Then I saw the picture.

Schoolgirl giddyness ensued.

I'm excited.

[Hahnarama]

O ya, and im not going to bute you, but the site admins might do something to you, if you keep this up.

Not sure what buting is and I don't want to know.

2nd my Man is bulletproof dude. You need to brush up on your HS history.

[markwars]

Bravo hero! I couldn't agree with you more. And believe me...I'm not only praying for PonyScape, I'm praying for PunkyBrewsterScape - whatever it takes.

feekonea give up. You can't win this one.

[markwars]

Yes and I want every member of The Great Lakes Avengers.

[feekonea]

feekonea, I usually rail against foul language being posted here, but hero is just one of those guys that gets to say what he wants and nobody will say anything to him ever. If you don't know, hero started the first ever Heroscape fansite, heroscape.net, which we affectionately refer to as ".net". I agree that language needs to be kept in check here, but if you'll http://wildmary.net-sauvage.com/weblog/themes/dotparking/smilies/mdrtfm.gif, you'll see that:

As with anything relating to tone, this is obviously a subjective and lame standard. It will be applied inconsistently: you may see someone get away with something one day and the next week someone’s gone for the same thing. It’s going to happen.

This post was intended to be flippant, but accurate. I'm not trying to stir anything up, I jus like using smileys. :P


O crud...your right, oops. haha yes ninthdoc, I was there, I had a couple hundred posts there. Wow I guess its been so long ago that I cant seem to remember. I was just telling him to be quiet. I guess hes got more power than anybody here, so I guess Ill have to back down, My apologies, hero, long time no see, and I can admit when Im wrong. (wich I dont especially like, but hey, Its what every man needs to do.) But please watch your mouth, considering there are a lot more kids now that enjoy the game and come here, and I dont think there parents would appreciate it if they knew that this was going on.

[markwars]

OK, either give up or don't. Quit telling hero to "watch his mouth". Afterall he didn't say anything. Should he watch his typing? :P

[feekonea]

Bravo hero! I couldn't agree with you more. And believe me...I'm not only praying for PonyScape, I'm praying for PunkyBrewsterScape - whatever it takes.

feekonea give up. You can't win this one.


I guess I cant win them all huh markwars? :D

[InfinityMax]

There's a reason his name is Hero.

I know this can't continue for long, but MAN it feels good to read this. Gloves off, honesty, no dancing on eggshells, just the damned truth as we see it.

I think Hero is right. Plus I wish this was .net, so we could just bust loose and jibba jabba. Plus Hero rules, buddy.

[Hahnarama]

There's a reason his name is Hero.

I know this can't continue for long, but MAN it feels good to read this. Gloves off, honesty, no dancing on eggshells, just the damned truth as we see it.

I think Hero is right. Plus I wish this was .net, so we could just bust loose and jibba jabba. Plus Hero rules, buddy.


Right on less fanboy and PG editing!

Viva .NET!!!

[Fallen Templar]

PonyScape! My kinda game. Can anyone say apocalyspe ponies :excited: :headbang: :drunk: :rofl: :rofl:

[feekonea]

PonyScape! My kinda game. Can anyone say apocalyspe ponies :roll: :D :lol:

watch some dude from hasbro is going to read this, and then eventually make a ponyscape thinkig we'd all love the idea. :lol:

[allskulls]

Yes!!!

Whether we back or not, it is coming, folks! Anyone quitting Scape because of this? Didn't think so.

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

O crud...your right, oops. haha yes ninthdoc, I was there, I had a couple hundred posts there. Wow I guess its been so long ago that I cant seem to remember. I was just telling him to be quiet. I guess hes got more power than anybody here, so I guess Ill have to back down, My apologies, hero, long time no see, and I can admit when Im wrong.


:buttkick:

:rofl:





Pray for "mylittleponyscape" with every ounce of your being. It will mean we have achieved world domination.

That is all.[/code]

Good god, man! Do you know if it comes to My Little Pony, Captain Feathersword may just well be next?!?

Careful what you pray for Hero!!!

[truth]

I have never known Hero to ever speak unless he knew what he was talking about. The man is no fool, I'd take everything he just said as fact.

[Kepler]

My hope is that MLHS will be a separate master set that is fully compatible with CHS. That way those that want to incorporate can and those that don't won't have to.

And Sandra, how did you not get wind of this? You need to get closer with your Hasbro contacts. :D

[Kepler]

Since when did this Hero guy become a God? You guys have some serious man-love for him. Are you sure you know which team you play for? :)

[skyknight]

You are right it is ultimately my choice on whether or not to purchase. And I will for the terrain. And if you are insulted for me saying Pokemon and superheroes are the same.... well.....oh well :shrug: Its an opinion, I know some people do not like others to share theirs here. But I am going to. It is a cornball idea that lacks even the smallest creativity on the designers part. If this opinion bothers you sorry, I will make it up to you though, you can have my crappy Superhero figs for free.

edit, by the way what is more insulting, comparing pokemon to superheroes, or calling people who have already posted that they like pokemon here 10 year old snot drooling brats? Or whatever it was.

[Logan_Xavier]

All I can say is Friggin' Awesome!!!!! :banana:

There are so many concepts to try out, even without mixing HeroScape & MarvelScape.

Figures look sweet, and the terrain is nice as well.

Just because they are planning on producing two lines of product does not mean either will suffer from it. Many companies have done this with no ill effect.

I can see them running both successfully, and making a lot of people happy. In fact, I know more people who would be interested in playing MarvelScape than HeroScape (sad but true). There are more Comic Book fans out there who will eat this up like cherry pie! :koolaid:

To all the nay-sayers who are threatening to quit b/c of this...

Don't let the door hit you on the way out!!!!

It's just showing how close-minded you are. The game isn't even out and people are saying it's horrible. Give it a chance. If you can't do that, then just ignore it. The only way this will be the end of HeroScape is if everyone stops buying HS in protest of MS.

[jdtenor]

Hey Hero :D

Good to see you here, I agree with you, but I'm out at Barbiescape :lol:

[hextr1p]

I'm not going to say anything that hasn't been said before, but I also do agree with what hero is saying.

I think the game will be more accepted if the Marvel set is a stand alone game, and not a crossover expansion. Being that most folks here are both completists and purists, a stand alone game will not require them to purchase a set to complete their collection, and thus taint the original HS universe already established. Though it will be interesting to see if, as a separate set, the Marvel units are able blend in with the Valhalla units.

And while this site is all about the freedom to voice one's opinions about Heroscape, I can't help but be amused by the 'doomsday' voices that ring out everytime something is released which doesn't sit well with them. Personally, I don't see Heroscape going anywhere. I only see the game gaining momentum as the HS system (as hero pointed out) is now creeping into another license. And bring on HS: Star Wars, or HS: GI Joe (which would work better than HS: Transformers, IMO). The fanbase built upon said franchises would eat up such games, and carry the HS system even further.

Regarding HS: My Little Pony... I say, "Why not?" There have been complaints about the game HS not catering to the female demographic, so why not just create a set specifically for girls? ;)

And what about DoraScape for the young'ins? Heh heh...

VIVA LA .NET!

[markwars]

Kepler wrote:
Since when did this Hero guy become a God? You guys have some serious man-love for him. Are you sure you know which team you play for?


:lol: No doubt. Everyone wonders why he's not around....take one look at Hahnarama's avatar, read the gushing man love, and tell me you don't blame him. :wink:

[markwars]

skyknight are you upset with Hasbro or yourself? If you're buying it then you can really only be mad at yourself.

[feekonea]

Since when did this Hero guy become a God? You guys have some serious man-love for him. Are you sure you know which team you play for? :)

This guy basically is a god, and for sometime I guess I forgot that.. there have been three websites like this..
heroscape.net
heroscapehq.com
heroscapers.com

..he started heroscape.net, the first place of all of this. This became basically a chain to start those other two websites. To my understanding something was wrong about heroscape.net and somehow I guess a lawyer shut down the site (to my understanding.). Heroscapehq was getting old, and started having trouble in wich the site moderator could not keep up. Then we started this site. Basically if not for him, Heroscape wouldnt be as popular as it is, and this or any other heroscape website would not exist.

[ninthdoc]

If I'm not mistaken, Kepler, was with us through all of this. :wink:

[jdtenor]

I'm in next has to be Star Wars :D

[markwars]

And then LotR.

[Buddy Lee]

Debating. Internal Conflict. Thinking. Considering.

Should I?

Buddy Lee

[hextr1p]

Basically if not for him, Heroscape wouldnt be as popular as it is, and this or any other heroscape website would not exist.
:hijacked:
Well, that closing statement is a bit strong. But he did start up the site which created the community base we have today.

[feekonea]

If I'm not mistaken, Kepler, was with us through all of this. :wink:
O your kidding me right? God he was to? Okay maybe I do need to brush up on all of my Heroscape history. Well it sure didnt seem like it, speaking of people that has been through all ofthis, does anyone know what happenned to kennak (sp?)? wasnt he like the leader in hq by a few thousand post? did he go somewhere or is he still here? have I just not seem him?

[truth]

Basically if not for him, Heroscape wouldnt be as popular as it is...

This right here hits the nail on the head for why we love Hero so much. He nurtured the game's fanbase. Usually this is done in new games by the company, but Hasbro is ill-equiped to do this. I'm of the belief that the game wouldn't have excelled like it did without Hero's involvment in creating a fanbase around the game, who in turn spread word through out the land that HEROSCAPE ROCKS YOUR FACE OFF!

So, yes, hero get's plenty of love around here! NOW BOW DOWN AND WORSHIP HIM!!

[feekonea]

Basically if not for him, Heroscape wouldnt be as popular as it is, and this or any other heroscape website would not exist.
:hijacked:
Well, that closing statement is a bit strong. But he did start up the site which created the community base we have today.

Well there maybe a few, but Im sure they would be as popular as this one, no way, no how.

[Logan_Xavier]

...next has to be Star Wars :D


That would be sweet.

Imagine Stormtroopers teamed up with orcs fighting against the X-Men who are teamed up with the 4th Mass.
:headbang:
(A little extreme, but intersting.)

[K/H_Addict]

until i get more information about it, my vote will be no. What kind of figures are we looking at to see from Marvel? Are we talking about figs like Spiderman and Batman and Superman? If those are the figs we'll be seeing i am strongly opposed. I like the new figs that we have now. I like seeing Orcs and Dragons and whatnot. I dont wan't to play with "super heroes." They would be too freakin strong and too costed.














It would be fun to have a Spiderman VS SuperMan showdown...

[jdtenor]

markwars wrote
And then LotR.


Oh yeah I forgot about LOTR that would be so sweet 8)

& yall know what. I saw Warhammer do LOTR

[Fallen Templar]

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h37/Fallen_Templar7/ApocalypesPony.gif
OMFG their already marketing Ponyscape :D

[hextr1p]

Well there maybe a few, but Im sure they would be as popular as this one, no way, no how.
I'm not trying to start an argument, but that statement can't be deemed true because we really can't say what would have happened if not for .NET. I adnit that hero's excitement about the game and his connections did help to encourage the growth of the game's popularity, as well as the growth of the community. But if it were not for the members who came aboard to add flame to the fire, 'Scapers.com nor HQ.com would have ever existed.

I'm saying that there were and are others out there with just as much excitement and, dare I say, passion for Heroscape. And being that the game is as good as it is on many levels, it is pretty safe to say that some sort of community would have sprung up to carry the game further.

That said, I do TRULY appreciate what hero has done for the game and community. But I think someone else would have stepped up to fill his role had he not been around.

[jdtenor]

K/H_Addict wrote
until i get more information about it, my vote will be no. What kind of figures are we looking at to see from Marvel? Are we talking about figs like Spiderman and Batman and Superman? If those are the figs we'll be seeing i am strongly opposed. I like the new figs that we have now. I like seeing Orcs and Dragons and whatnot. I dont wan't to play with "super heroes." They would be too freakin strong and too costed.

I don't think they'll step away from the classic & new character, it will probably to expensive to license to many, by the way are we ready for $30-40 small expansions sets?

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

Yes and I want every member of The Great Lakes Avengers.

If you're headed this direction, let's take it one more and say we need Byrne's original Alpha Flight.

Gimme gimme gimme Nemesis. I soooo want a Nemesis.

http://www.marvel.com/universe3zx/images/2/22/Nemesis.jpg

[markwars]

BTW, Kenntak is still around. ;)

[Finrod]

Yes and I want every member of The Great Lakes Avengers.

Per this week's appearance in Cable & Deadpool...

They're now the Great Lakes Champions.

And before that they were the Great Lakes X-Men.

But I liked it best when they were the Lightning Rods. :)

[markwars]

HEH said:
If you're headed this direction, let's take it one more and say we need Byrne's original Alpha Flight.

Now you're talkin'! :D

Finrod, as long as we get Mr. Immortal, Dinah-Soar, Big Bertha, Flatman, Doorman, Leather Boy, Squirrel Girl, Monkey Joe, and Grasshopper I'll be happy.

[Fallen Templar]

Pirates and Dwarves to things on my wants list

[Su-Bak-Na]

BTW, Kenntak is still around. ;)

He just hasn't been as active, he had over 5000 posts on the HQ.

[feekonea]

Well there maybe a few, but Im sure they would be as popular as this one, no way, no how.
I'm not trying to start an argument, but that statement can't be deemed true because we really can't say what would have happened if not for .NET. I adnit that hero's excitement about the game and his connections did help to encourage the growth of the game's popularity, as well as the growth of the community. But if it were not for the members who came aboard to add flame to the fire, 'Scapers.com nor HQ.com would have ever existed.

I'm saying that there were and are others out there with just as much excitement and, dare I say, passion for Heroscape. And being that the game is as good as it is on many levels, it is pretty safe to say that some sort of community would have sprung up to carry the game further.

That said, I do TRULY appreciate what hero has done for the game and community. But I think someone else would have stepped up to fill his role had he not been around.

O sorry I was not trying to start an arguement, sometimes it seems so when your on the computer as opposed to real life, believe me, Im embarrassed enough, but I still think its safe to say that it wouldnt have been as popular, even if someone else had stepped up, even though we really dont know.

[allskulls]

I just realized, the release date is just in time for my birthday (hint hint). It' January 22nd if anyone wants to send a card with my Marvelscape :D

[Kepler]

If I'm not mistaken, Kepler, was with us through all of this. :wink:

Actually I came into the picture shortly after the downfall of .net. But the .net site did get to the HQ site. I google "Heroscape discussion" after I saw it in the store and wanted to learn more. Google pointed me to .net and there was a link there that sent me to HQ.

[feekonea]

BTW, Kenntak is still around. ;)

...I kneew there was a "t" in his name, just couldnt remember where. ya he sure was a chatter bug on the HQ. Its sad to see him not as around as he used to be. I think Ive changed this into more of a "remember who's been around since the start of this" instead of a disscussion that hero brought up.

[skyknight]

Why is it that when someone has a different opinion on something you guys leap on em. I just think this is a horrible idea. Like I said it is the same for me as blending yugioh or something like that in. And yes Mark I will buy the set FOR THE TERRAIN, after that I will paint and alter the figures to at least fit into the whole scheme of things. I just think of the thousand directions heroscape could have gone.... this isreally the best they could do. I really am excited, maybe I can throw wonder womans lasso of truth around Grims neck and get him to spill the beans. These two sets do not belong together. Do you think TSR should bring Superman in as well? you know my answer.

[Rodriquez]

...but it has to end some time.

Says who???

I'm sure someone said that about Monopoly once, too... :D

But how often do we get new classic Monopoly products. :D

Even if they stop producing additional classic HS (okay I am now using CHS fopr this -- I am already tired of the tyoing classic) product, CHS could still be sold. Heck, it will be 10 years before castles and wave 5 actually hit the stores.

for all those old nes fans...monopoly is coming out with a Nes version of the classic boardgame..due out sometime late fall or early next year...

[Fallen Templar]

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h37/Fallen_Templar7/ApocalypesPony.gif
PONYSCAPE

[bluekitsune13]

Eh... man. At first to say I thought it was a joke. But I'm a little... dissappointed I guess. Now, I would hope that the systems would be interchangable, but separate. Meaning that there are separate packs for the "Classic" figures, and for the Marvel figures, but the terrain, rules, and everything else are just the same as its always been. The thing I liked about heroscape is that there are no real "superheroes." Even powerful humans like Drake can be felled. Plus I can't imagine what squads Marvel could make, as most superheroes are pretty much stand alone, right? The one thing I dread the most, is that already made superheroes will dominate my playing field, as any of them could just stomp Mimring's butt.

I'd hope that the figures would either be 1 of 2 options:

1) They would be toned down, so they would fit with the current figures in the classic Heroscape universe (i.e. no 300 pt value)

2) The Marvel figures would only be able to be used when played with the Marvel Heroscape rules, and mix matching the classic and Marvel games wouldn't work by normal rules (so you'd have to make your own house rules)

For now my only thought on it is that the terrain looks cool, and it would be neat to bring the battle of all time to Earth. Other then that I'm not too excited... Then again, I've been wrong before about some of the stuff Heroscape has done... so maybe I'll eat my words.

[ultradoug]

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[markwars]

skyknight said:
Why is it that when someone has a different opinion on something you guys leap on em. I just think this is a horrible idea. Like I said it is the same for me as blending yugioh or something like that in. And yes Mark I will buy the set FOR THE TERRAIN, after that I will paint and alter the figures to at least fit into the whole scheme of things. I just think of the thousand directions heroscape could have gone.... this isreally the best they could do. I really am excited, maybe I can throw wonder womans lasso of truth around Grims neck and get him to spill the beans. These two sets do not belong together. Do you think TSR should bring Superman in as well? you know my answer.

I'm not looking to pile on or take a shot at you. After reading through 12 pages of this thread and seeing your dislike for this set clearly stated I was simply surprised that you were buying it. I have no desire to play HS with Marvel characters and I will be buying the terrain just like you. BUT - here's where we differ - I think this is a great move for HeroScapes overall health.

[bluekitsune13]

I'm not too hot about the idea of Marvelscape, so I voted no. However my opinions will most likely change as we get more info. As of now I really just think the new terrain would be awesome to have. I'm just worried that I'd have superheroes dominating my game of Heroscape.

[-Zim-]

I kinda thought of thise moment when I first started playing heroscape. I really like the idea. So my vote if for Yes :D

[ultradoug]

LOL @ Fallen Templar
And rember, only http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f348/coolmondoug/6028f395.gif
can cuss people out and stuff.

[Pilgrim]

I voted no. Just seems like a cheezy, uncreative, McSellout. I'll be happy to eat crow if it turns out to be awesome. I am hpoeful that there will be interesting new terrain developed for the MHS that we can use in classic HS.

[Finrod]

Finrod, as long as we get Mr. Immortal, Dinah-Soar, Big Bertha, Flatman, Doorman, Leather Boy, Squirrel Girl, Monkey Joe, and Grasshopper I'll be happy.

Mr. Immortal would be hilarious under Heroscape rules. Can you imagine? A character with very minor attack/defense/life ratings, but would keep coming back every time he's killed?!?

I may just have to make a custom of a character like that, just for the sheer fun of it all...

[markwars]

Considering the fact that every player gets to draft their own army for each game I can't imagine why these characters would bother anyone. I mean the Gorillinators didn't ruin the game for me....I just don't draft them.

[feekonea]

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h37/Fallen_Templar7/ApocalypesPony.gif
PONYSCAPE

Look at the marro horse on the right! whoa that looks sweet. I wonder if they're gunna come out with any horse bonding for that!

[skyknight]

You see I just do not see it, maybe it might be good for Marvelscape,but I cannot see Hasbro concentrating on our stuff if the Marvel sides takes off,there is only so much room on a stoe shelf. If Marvelscape becomes the big hit....well maybe Hasbro will throw us a bone now and then. I agree it may be good for bringing new folks in, but that does not mean our side of HS needs to thrive. Maybe I should just have faith tht hasbro won't forget us HS fans, you know the fans they will not even acknowledge are here. If it becomes a money thing for Hasbro, we will lose. All I can hope for is that Marvelscape is not a big success.
And for the person who told me I not to let the door hit me on the way out, nice what....35th post. i did not say I was leaving, I said if this site became a dedicated marvel site I would probably move on. It just does not interest me. This would not happen anyways for at least a year.

[Pilgrim]

Hero - thank you for your post. I generally think licensed expansions are lame and have never heard a good reason for having them. When I first saw all these threads about Marvelscape I was groaning audibly.

But now thanks to your post, it is obvious. This is what MUST happen for HS to continue and become a dynasty in the gaming world.

Great to see you post again. Hadn't heard anything from you since .net!

[skyknight]

No way, never.

[markwars]

I think that what we have to realize is that Heroscape is going from the designation as a game to a system. That is good. A game can only last so long. A system can last forever. Sure we might not get as much Classic HS stuff, but if it means that we get some for years to come then I am very happy.

[markwars]

How can you say that you don't back it if you plan on buying it skyknight? I don't want to spar with you, but it just doesn't seem that you can have it both ways to me.

[Kepler]

I very much agree with Hero's first post. Turning HS into a system is a great thing for the game. The possibilities are endless. Now any genre that doesn't quite fit with CHS now can get it's own Master set (and possibly expensions).

And turning it into a system will not necessarily end the original game. Look at Risk, Monopoly, etc. Those games have many versions, but the originals won't go away.

[skyknight]

If it was Strawberry shortcake and the terrain was nice I would buy 1 set for the template then make it myself. Maybe I will be that guy at walmart who buys it keeps a few pieces and take it back. lord I can't believe I just said that :?

[feekonea]

You see I just do not see it, maybe it might be good for Marvelscape,but I cannot see Hasbro concentrating on our stuff if the Marvel sides takes off,there is only so much room on a stoe shelf. If Marvelscape becomes the big hit....well maybe Hasbro will throw us a bone now and then. I agree it may be good for bringing new folks in, but that does not mean our side of HS needs to thrive. Maybe I should just have faith tht hasbro won't forget us HS fans, you know the fans they will not even acknowledge are here. If it becomes a money thing for Hasbro, we will lose. All I can hope for is that Marvelscape is not a big success.
And for the person who told me I not to let the door hit me on the way out, nice what....35th post. i did not say I was leaving, I said if this site became a dedicated marvel site I would probably move on. It just does not interest me. This would not happen anyways for at least a year.

I think its just because hero said ts a great move, everyoe started to realize that it was..except me. I agree with you skynight, people do jump on you for getting something wrong. And if this site turns Into a marvel site, ill be happy to leave this site alongside you, hey maybe we could start our own site if it gets out of hand.

[Pilgrim]

Skynight - I assume you read Hero's thread. I'm generally anti-licensed stuff (guess I'm a purist and turned off by franchising something amazing like HS). But I think Hero is spot-on: this game has to go this direction in order to live. It's either license or die.

And yeah, I'll be bummed if they slow down production of HS expansions. I LOVE new expansions. But honestly at this point there is SO much stuff available to us that even if castles and thora's was the last HS expansion we saw for a year, it would be an incredible game.

[feekonea]

I very much agree with Hero's first post. Turning HS into a system is a great thing for the game. The possibilities are endless. Now any genre that doesn't quite fit with CHS now can get it's own Master set (and possibly expensions).

And turning it into a system will not necessarily end the original game. Look at Risk, Monopoly, etc. Those games have many versions, but the originals won't go away.

Thats a good point right there... I just hope CHS expansions keep coming.

[markwars]

And to add to what Kepler said...

It opens up a wealth of terrain possibilities! That's always a good thing.

[markwars]

OK, fair enough.

[fantasizes about pink icing terrain]

[Kepler]

And to add to what Kepler said...

It opens up a wealth of terrain possibilities! That's always a good thing.

And to those that want pirates, maybe we can eventually get an entire pirate set with ships, cannons, etc.

Or even a vehicle combat game (obviously on a different scale than CHS), much like SW Minis is doing with Starship Battles (or what ever it is called).

[vernz]

i hope they make ghost rider then and mabye some of the heralds of galactcus

[Kepler]

Can one of you Comic book guys take a guess at who each fig is in the picture with a brief description of that character (with their trademade powers)? Thanks.

[bunjee]

So, I had to work last night until very very late and got next to now heroscape time at all.

And then this explosion of threads, posts, and information.

From the first time I saw the box with "Part of the Build and Battle Game System" I assumed that Hasbro intended to expand into other product lines with this.

How many customs have we seen people create based on figures from other media? Hmm? So why do we think that Hasbro can't do this and make it work? And it may well be slightly different rules and games, but you could always use the terrain, and maybe the units, but with your own custom cards for your in house stuff.

Hey, look at the monopoly line: http://www.hasbro.com/monopoly/pl/page.browse/dn/default.cfm
I would love to see 11 different variations on Heroscape, if it could get even 1/10th the popularity of Monopoly. Hell, Heroscape is a lot more fun to play, and still involves math!

Besides, I already have stupid games like "spongebob's bikini beach party" just so I could turn the units into customs for the humor aspect. In fact, my favorite photo ever was someone (I don't remember who) using figures of the puppies from 101 dalmations as stand ins for the marro Drones before they could get some.

I'm an optimist, I also have a strong grasp on reality and will tell you my opinion on a regular basis. :soapbox:

And on this thread, I will not tell hero to back off (not above doing it if I have to) because his tone was well grounded in personal opinion, and globally applied. So everyone currently upset with him can go shove it up their proverbial holes. :buttkick:

Besides, he's right. And he knows plenty about the inner workings. As do other members of this site. Believe me that saying "I won't play if they do this" makes anyone at Hasbro worried, not a chance. :deadhorse:

Besides, I want some blasted out buildings, asphalt, and sidewalk terrain. How else are my airborne elite supposed to feel at home? :excited:

I can't wait to see what the new guy comes up with. We know what a great job :craig: and :rob: and (no avie) Stephen did, and we know that Craig is still strongly involved if they shuttled him to comic-con.

[K/H_Addict]

hey. if they have X-men, my g/f would consider playing, and i would love to have he play this with me. When X-men come out, i'll buy in to it, but not until then.

[cbs42]

I'm in with the "wait and see" crowd. But I would like to play devil's advocate with a few sentiments I keep seeing repeated on this thread:

This is great for HeroScape! It will bring more players to the game!Meh, possibly. More likely it will bring people to the Marvel version of the game, which doesn't help Classic HS at all. Let me explain:

Let's say that the Marvel game is a HUGE success, and brings in 5 times the revenue that Classic HS does. Is that a good thing? How do you think Hasbro will interpret it? Will they say, "WOW, this huge influx of money will allow us to invest more into Classic HS!" or is it more likely that they will say, "WOW, co-branding is the way to rake it in! Let's keep our development dollars focused on more co-brands!"

Follow the dollar. If co-branding rakes it in for them, it will only encourage more co-branding, rather than a re-investment in Classic HS expansions. Not to say they'll abandon the classic game entirely, but it certainly won't be their focus anymore.


If you don't like it, don't buy it.This certainly has merit. The biggest impact will be felt by people who like to play at game conventions / tournaments. They'll be facing off against superhero armies whether they like it or not. Unless of course convention games start listing the specific master sets and expansions that are allowed at the tournament. But this starts to reek of the CCG tournaments where only certain new expansions are allowed. Yuck.


Hasbro should keep the co-branded sets compatible with, but separate from the classic setsYeah, this tactic would resolve some issues that some people have with this marketing move, but I'm predicting it won't happen. If anything, we'll see explicit statements in the new rulebook that encourage players to mix sets together.

Why?

Again, follow the money. If the sets are openly inter-compatible -- and if the rulebooks encourage mixing and matching -- it's likely to generate more sales than if they state "not compatible with any other HeroScape set." Of course, people are perfectly able to set their own house rules, which is why this doesn't bother me too much. But seriously, for those of you expecting a "separate but equal" push from Hasbro: you're likely to get the exact opposite.

[vernz]

man that looks sweet i cant wait and also it would mean more tiles for heroscape use

[Logan_Xavier]

And for the person who told me I not to let the door hit me on the way out, nice what....35th post. i did not say I was leaving, I said if this site became a dedicated marvel site I would probably move on.

Boy someone has their undies in a bunch. If you thought my comment was aimed directly at you, then you are taking this way too personally. This was a general statement, to all those who are whining like little brats. :excited:

Oohh and a shot at me that I only have 35 posts. Man I'm hurt. I guess I need to stop having a life, and start posting here to compete. PLEASE!!! I've been around since the .net and the hq days, but I, unlike a few on this board, do not post just to watch my number climb. I only post when I have something to say, that contributes to the discussion, or in response to someone trying to bash me. :x

Take a chill pill, and relax. :|

I have to agree with you though, that if this became a MarvelScape only site, I would leave. I left HCRealms b/c there were too many comic book geeks. I'm a Marvel fan, but I know the difference between being a "fan" and being a "fanatic", between being a player, and a overly obsessed geek.

And if DC saw that Marvel was banking on this, they would jump in with both feet. Just look at Hero Clix. I will not be surprised when they debut DCScape.

[Finrod]

I think that what we have to realize is that Heroscape is going from the designation as a game to a system. That is good. A game can only last so long. A system can last forever. Sure we might not get as much Classic HS stuff, but if it means that we get some for years to come then I am very happy.

While I think it's great that it's a system, I gotta disagree with "A game can only last so long." (and ONLY that statement) The oft-cited Monopoly disproves that statement flat out. Not to mention chess, checkers, Risk, Stratego, Life, Scrabble, Yahtzee, etc., ad infinitum. Heck, Axis & Allies has now been around for around 20 years.

How many versions of the above have there been? Does that make them a system? No. They're still just a game. Games CAN last forever, just like systems. There's a lot of factors involved, of course, but it's still true.

[feekonea]

This thread had got me thinking, whatif they had a Kingdom hearts HS? That would be awesome!I know there are a lot of kingodm hearts fans on here (me, k/h, UD etc.) they could have three "generals" nobodies, heartless, and kingdom heart maybe? that would be cool, with figs like Auron, Riku, Sora, Mickey, Leon, Cloud, and Sephorith (sp?).

[kookalives]

Yes, they are going to follow the money, but if you have a few sets that have the basic heroes and not much in the way of interesting terrain, then those who start playing with the Marvel set are going to have to go after the classic sets in order to be able to get a good variety of terrain. Basically if done right it will somewhat force the players who get interested because of the Marvel characters going after the other higher priced sets to get the differing terrain.

I personally think this will be a good move for the game system and most likely we will see Transformers and Star Wars get into the action before too long.

Each set will most likely use the same basic rules, but be in their own universes, but with the basic plan that you can intermix them.

I do not see how this can hurt anything. it can only help to get Hasbro doing more with Heroscape.

[kookalives]

While I think it's great that it's a system, I gotta disagree with "A game can only last so long." (and ONLY that statement) The oft-cited Monopoly disproves that statement flat out. Not to mention chess, checkers, Risk, Stratego, Life, Scrabble, Yahtzee, etc., ad infinitum. Heck, Axis & Allies has now been around for around 20 years.

How many versions of the above have there been? Does that make them a system? No. They're still just a game. Games CAN last forever, just like systems. There's a lot of factors involved, of course, but it's still true.

How many of those need expansion sets to have kept them going that long?

Your point goes against you here. If you wish to group Heroscape with those other games, then Hasbro need not worry about making any more sets for the game and can just put out the same Master Set for years and all will be well.

No, Heroscape needs expansions to keep it going due to the nature of the game system. It has to be a game that grows.

[truth]

If you don't like it, don't buy it.This certainly has merit. The biggest impact will be felt by people who like to play at game conventions / tournaments. They'll be facing off against superhero armies whether they like it or not. Unless of course convention games start listing the specific master sets and expansions that are allowed at the tournament. But this starts to reek of the CCG tournaments where only certain new expansions are allowed. Yuck.



I can feel you on this one. But if they keep the games identfiably seperate, even if compatiable, I don't see that being the same as say: MtG where there are all kinds of varients of limitations and all kinds of broken crap out there. I think if its identfiably seperate (i.e. marvel has a diffrent look, diffrent packaging, and supers are never sold with non-supers) then I don't see why a tournament couldn't just say Classic HS only. The definition of Classic HS being readily identifiable by all.

[jakethesnake]

I'm not convinced that Marvelscape will be a huge success. Since Heroclix has been around for a few years I would guess a lot of Comic/Miniature gamers are already invested in that system. Sure, some of them may buy it for the terrain, but to go out and purchase miniatures they probably already have would be a little silly. I would buy the sets for the terrain and buildings and my kids would probably enjoy the figures but I don't think I would ever merge the 2 worlds.

[cbs42]

Basically if done right it will somewhat force the players who get interested because of the Marvel characters going after the other higher priced sets to get the differing terrain.
Quite possibly true, but what you're describing would only encourage the purchase of the Classic old HS Master set for the purpose of getting more terrain, rather than encourage the development of more expansion sets based on the Classic HS theme. I think that's the main fear that some folks are expressing -- the production slowdown for existing theme.


I do not see how this can hurt anything. it can only help to get Hasbro doing more with Heroscape. Yes, it will likely expand the HeroScape project within Hasbro. But as I stated in an earlier post, the wild success of a co-branded version is only likely to encourage more co-branding, rather than the expansion of the original. I think that's the primary objection being voiced.

I'm not too concerned. In fact, I think a Tolkein-based HS Master Set would kick major ass.
:D

[feekonea]

Basically if done right it will somewhat force the players who get interested because of the Marvel characters going after the other higher priced sets to get the differing terrain.
Quite possibly true, but what you're describing would only encourage the purchase of the Classic old HS Master set for the purpose of getting more terrain, rather than encourage the development of more expansion sets based on the Classic HS theme. I think that's the main fear that some folks are expressing -- the production slowdown for existing theme.


I do not see how this can hurt anything. it can only help to get Hasbro doing more with Heroscape. Yes, it will likely expand the HeroScape project within Hasbro. But as I stated in an earlier post, the wild success of a co-branded version is only likely to encourage more co-branding, rather than the expansion of the original. I think that's the primary objection being voiced.

I'm not too concerned. In fact, I think a Tolkein-based HS Master Set would kick major ass.
:D

b-i-n-g-o
b-i-n-g-o
b-i-n-g-o
bingo was his name-o
a LOTR heroscape would be awesome.

[ninthdoc]

Can one of you Comic book guys take a guess at who each fig is in the picture with a brief description of that character (with their trademade powers)? Thanks.

Captain America
Silver Surfer
Thanos
Doctor Doom
Red Skull
Iron Man
Hulk
Abomination
Spider-Man
Venom

[Malechi]

Okay, first licensing; I agree completely with Hero. It simply and most directly adds new buyers to the HeroScape market. How many of us initially bought this game for some other reason than was intended? I know I did, it was supposed to be an outdoor version of HeroQuest for me ...

Now on to Hero. Why is he respected (some odd thinking individuals may see this as man-love or just want to argue with Hero simply to get noticed) and allowed more leeway than most? He is respected for his creation of .net before the game even was released! He allowed the community to grow and evolve into what it is and shall become. The nay-sayers as to Hero's direct influence of the popularity of HeroScape must consider the fact that Hero allowed us a space for the creative in this community to add to game in such a way as would have been simply impossible on only BGG or Yahoo. He gave us the standard to which the following websites had to live up to and/or exceed. notheroscape.net, heroscapehq.com, Hot Lava Death! and now heroscapers.com. Am I really ***** when it comes to .net and the loss of thousands upon thousands of posts which were a big loss to the to the idea base of the community? Damn straight I am, but that does not take away from the community what Hero gave us in the cold vaccuum of cyberspace!

As to his posting habits and why he can get away with more than most, think of him as your nutty grandfather. He wisdom about the gaming community is based on years working within the system. Just be glad he's the nutty grandfather stuck in his ways rather than the drunk uncle who is simply out to argue with everyone just to feel better about himself ...

[Kepler]

Can one of you Comic book guys take a guess at who each fig is in the picture with a brief description of that character (with their trademade powers)? Thanks.

Captain America
Silver Surfer
Thanos
Doctor Doom
Red Skull
Iron Man
Hulk
Abomination
Spider-Man
Venom

Thanks. I guess I need to get up-to-speed on the Marvel guys. I know the famous one (Spiderman, Hulk, etc.) but not much else.

[allskulls]

Can one of you Comic book guys take a guess at who each fig is in the picture with a brief description of that character (with their trademade powers)? Thanks.
Hulk- Gamma radiated human changes into a alter ego monster when he is angry. Grows stronger as he gets angrier.

Abomination- Gamma radiated human changed into a monster. On par with Hulk at normal stregnth and maintains normal mind.

Spider-man- Human bitten by a radioactive spider. Does whatever a spider does :wink:

Venom- Ex-reporter Eddie Brock bonded with a symbiot alien suit that shares his hatred for Peter Parker/Spider-man. On par with Spidey but with additional powers...the alien suit is a sort of shape shifter.

Captain America- Patriotic hero, injected with the super soldier serum that gives him peak human stregnth and performance. Wields a virtually indistructable shield that he uses as a projectile weapon with great accuracy (he can ricochet it off of multiple opponents and make it come back to him). Martial arts expert and natural leader (maybe the most respected hero among Earth's superheroes).

Red Skull- Captain America's German counterpart also injected with super soldier serum. Nazi type leader.

Ironman- Millionaire genious that wears a high tech armor suit that he designed. The suit grants flight, superstregnth, and an array of weaponary such as repulsar rays and electromagnetic fields.

Dr. Doom- Once king of his own nation and arch nemesis of Reed Richards of the Fantastic Four. Great strategic mastermind whose schemes are always grandious. High tech battle suit much like Ironman's. Also is known to dable in magic (tried to save his dead wife from hell).

Silver Surfer- From the world of Zen-La, he was given the power cosmic by a being known as Galactus. His power is off the scale...flight, travels at warp speeds, can rematerialize destroyed objects, plasma bolts, force fields, telekinesis, superstregnth, etc.

Thanos- Mutant and genetiacally enhanced being from the world of Titan. Once in love with Death his main desire was to destroy all creation and actually succeeded once (had a Bruce Almighty moment) only to realize he was wrong so he brought everything back. His power rivals the power cosmic IMO (I remember him taking Silver Surfer out really easy). Also a great strategist and manipulator.

[Pilgrim]

Here's the thing - As we all know, HS has tkaen mini-game to an amazing new level by developing an easy to use terrain system (among other great features, like the cards, order markers, cheap pre-painted quality figs, etc). But terrain was the missing piece, IMO. Previous mini games either use boring flat maps with grids on them, or worse, you have to measure things with a tape measure. :bang: If other games did have 3-D terrain, it still wasn't as elegant, integrated or SIMPLE as the HS approach.

I think this is what separates HS from other minis, and it's what has allowed HS it incredible success.

This positions HS as the gateway for mini-gaming to go big. SW and LOTR minis are out there, and yeah there are little cirlces of geeks like us who might play them, but they're unknown to normal humans. HS has the chance of taking those kinds of lines and bringing them into the larger market. And it's a symbiotic relationship. By briniging in the known franchises, it draws new people into the HS system.

IF HS is able to become the new standard and increasingly bring minis to the mainstream, then it will become an empire. And yeah, you may not buy a marvel character or whatever, but there will inevitably be characters or franchises or TERRAIN!!!! that you will like. We can't lose on this. So yeah, I've basically done a complete 180 in my opinion on Marvelscape.

[Finrod]

Your point goes against you here. If you wish to group Heroscape with those other games, then Hasbro need not worry about making any more sets for the game and can just put out the same Master Set for years and all will be well.

No, Heroscape needs expansions to keep it going due to the nature of the game system. It has to be a game that grows.

I agree with you, and you haven't disproved anything I said. Again, I was JUST arguing the one, single point that "a game cannot last forever." Games CAN last forever. Walk into a TRU and you have an entire section that proves that point. So my point does not go against me. In arguing that one little point, I'm still correct.

I wasn't even trying to group Heroscape with those other games. I was just arguing that one point.

[Malechi]

I want it to come out simply for the new terrain! Anyone want to buy some superhero figures?

[Hahnarama]

Sky- From all that has been revealed it seems that the superheroes will have their own game system. Take a look at Mage Knight and Heroclix...same concept and basic rules but the nitty gritty is/was worlds apart (well maybe not worlds).

OK so this post got me thinking. I emailed my nephew, former heroclix, current real game player. He offered the following thoughts. If HAS is going after the Clix market they might have some issues. They like having the bad ass chase figure. Say the super ultra rare Spidey. It helps them in there game play. He said your avg Clix-er might not like the idea of everyone having access to the same units.

And they might need to educate the parents who pay for most of the purchases. Not having seen how they look compared to Cix the parental units might think their kids already have this new Scape.

[markwars]

So Malechi, who's the drunk uncle? :wink:

[feekonea]

So Malechi, who's the drunk uncle? :wink:

UD. haha just kiddin. Now is it just me, or does it seem like UD has more posts about nonsense than heroscape? haha I guess thats why we all like him so much. :D

[allskulls]

i hope they make ghost rider then and mabye some of the heralds of galactcus
There is already Silver Surfer...

[ninthdoc]

Basically if not for him, Heroscape wouldnt be as popular as it is...

This right here hits the nail on the head for why we love Hero so much. He nurtured the game's fanbase. Usually this is done in new games by the company, but Hasbro is ill-equiped to do this. I'm of the belief that the game wouldn't have excelled like it did without Hero's involvment in creating a fanbase around the game, who in turn spread word through out the land that HEROSCAPE ROCKS YOUR FACE OFF!

So, yes, hero get's plenty of love around here! NOW BOW DOWN AND WORSHIP HIM!!

'truth, I gotta give props to both hero and you. I was very interested in Heroscape early on, but would not commit to buy it. It was hero's hs.net and your xanga site that finally sold me on buying the game. You guys are both awesome.

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h37/Fallen_Templar7/ApocalypesPony.gif
PONYSCAPE

Freaking awesome! The 4 My Little Ponies of the Apocalypse!

[jcb231]

Did I get your attention?

I don't chime in on the game much anymore, but let me just toss this grenade into the mix.

Licensing is the single best thing that could EVER happen to the game.

There are really only two options for Heroscape going forward:

1: Continue to publish expansions and "new" master sets every once in a while.
2: Take the game system and tie it to licenses

If HAS just pursued option 1, they would fairly quickly run into a marketing wall. In fact, I'd be stunned if they hadn't already. There are only so many hardcore fans out there who will buy EVERYTHING, so demand WILL peak. When demand peaks, the company (any company) will try to extract more from the existing sales volume to keep earnings growing. This means you'll see less and less come out, lower quality, and fewer people working on the game (which leads to all sorts of bad things).

By pursuing number 2 (and let's be clear: they're not closing down the original game and saying "its done") they get the best of all worlds. The good designers get to keep working on the game, marketing gets something new and fresh to sell to walmart, and more money flows into the big Heroscape line on the P&L. This keeps the game alive. There is, simply put, no alternative. None. Zip. And you're a total ****ing moron if you don't believe it.

You should be cheering this with heart and soul. Don't like 'em? Don't play with them. Simple enough. ALL you should be concerned about is "will HAS continue to make the game, and print product we actually like." But you should be PRAYING for Marvel, Star Wars, and whatever cheesy branding franchise you can think come up with. By having a license strategy, HS goes from being a game that lasted more than one year (a HUGE rarity for a mass market game) to a SYSTEM (think D20, monopoly and trivial pursuit). A SYSTEM can last FOREVER. A mass market game has a very limited life.

Pray for "mylittleponyscape" with every ounce of your being. It will mean we have achieved world domination.

That is all.[/code]

Hero, I was just an infrequent lurker on the old .net site, but it's good to see you still got your edge man. Nice post. I totally agree.

My buddies call Theracus "My Little Pony" already, so we're partway there. Bring on Rainbow Brite, Strawberry Shortcake, and the Care Bears, so long as it means the line continues.

[truth]

Sky- From all that has been revealed it seems that the superheroes will have their own game system. Take a look at Mage Knight and Heroclix...same concept and basic rules but the nitty gritty is/was worlds apart (well maybe not worlds).

OK so this post got me thinking. I emailed my nephew, former heroclix, current real game player. He offered the following thoughts. If HAS is going after the Clix market they might have some issues. They like having the bad ass chase figure. Say the super ultra rare Spidey. It helps them in there game play. He said your avg Clix-er might not like the idea of everyone having access to the same units.

And they might need to educate the parents who pay for most of the purchases. Not having seen how they look compared to Cix the parental units might think their kids already have this new Scape.

This same insanity effects many MtG players as well. MtG isn't a bad game... until you go to a Friday night magic and players start playing these old, rare, broken as all get out cards on you.

[markwars]

Finrod, I guess I should have more clearly said "a miniatures game hasn't lasted forever yet". :wink:

[jcb231]

...all but confirmed. Shame on this guy for posting to BGG before here 8)

I'm at San Diego ComciCon and the Hasbro booth has a display of a set labeled "Marvel Heroscape". The characters I rememebr are:
Hulk, Abomination, Captain America, Iron Man, Spiderman, Venom, Silver Surfer, Thantos. The terrain looked standard but there were ruins of modern buildings in the display. I think it will be a new base set. I was told by one of the booth bunnies that it is suppost to come out in Spring 2007. I'll report back more when I have a chance to see the display again tomorrow.


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Surely we'll get some pics from someone?

[jcb231]

All I can say is "Damn you!! Damn you all to hell!"

why bring in well known comic figures? They will never be able to make everyone happy. The units will either be TOO STRONG or too weak.

Bah! It says he thinks they are doing a seperate Master Set. So long as they aren't mixing them in with regular units you can just avoid that side of the game. I for one would be down with playing a game of super hero battle without it being the lame clix system.

That clix system is pretty damned lame. Glad I'm not the only one that thinks that.

[markwars]

Look on page 3 of this thread.

[noodles]

Did I get your attention?

I don't chime in on the game much anymore, but let me just toss this grenade into the mix.

Licensing is the single best thing that could EVER happen to the game.

There are really only two options for Heroscape going forward:

1: Continue to publish expansions and "new" master sets every once in a while.
2: Take the game system and tie it to licenses

If HAS just pursued option 1, they would fairly quickly run into a marketing wall. In fact, I'd be stunned if they hadn't already. There are only so many hardcore fans out there who will buy EVERYTHING, so demand WILL peak. When demand peaks, the company (any company) will try to extract more from the existing sales volume to keep earnings growing. This means you'll see less and less come out, lower quality, and fewer people working on the game (which leads to all sorts of bad things).

By pursuing number 2 (and let's be clear: they're not closing down the original game and saying "its done") they get the best of all worlds. The good designers get to keep working on the game, marketing gets something new and fresh to sell to walmart, and more money flows into the big Heroscape line on the P&L. This keeps the game alive. There is, simply put, no alternative. None. Zip. And you're a total ****ing moron if you don't believe it.

You should be cheering this with heart and soul. Don't like 'em? Don't play with them. Simple enough. ALL you should be concerned about is "will HAS continue to make the game, and print product we actually like." But you should be PRAYING for Marvel, Star Wars, and whatever cheesy branding franchise you can think come up with. By having a license strategy, HS goes from being a game that lasted more than one year (a HUGE rarity for a mass market game) to a SYSTEM (think D20, monopoly and trivial pursuit). A SYSTEM can last FOREVER. A mass market game has a very limited life.

Pray for "mylittleponyscape" with every ounce of your being. It will mean we have achieved world domination.

That is all.[/code]

Ok, I'm sold. I no longer have a sick feeling in my stomach. Thanks Hero for putting it into perspective for me.

[CornPuff]

HERO
And don't apologize. Every time I try to talk to someone it's
'watch your language' this and 'you started .net' and I'm not worthy and ... What are you doing now?

ARTHUR
I'm averting my eyes, Lord.

HERO
Well, don't.
| I really don't know where all this got started.
It's like those miserable psalms. they're so depressing. Now knock it off.

ARTHUR
Yes, Lord.

HERO
Right. Arthur, King of the Scapers, you're Heroscape Community shall respect Marvelscape as a necessary step in Heroscape's path to domination....

ARTHUR
Good idea, O Lord!

HERO
Course it's a good idea.

[jcb231]

So long as they aren't mixing them in with regular units you can just avoid that side of the game. I for one would be down with playing a game of super hero battle without it being the lame clix system.That is the absolute key here - can you imagine the absurdity of the Hulk going up against Mimring, or Marcus?

As longtime HS fans know, there's little chance of them being costed properly to coincide with official units unless they completely nerf their powers, but a stand-alone supers-only expansion (or Master Set) may work.

I don't think of that as Heroscape, being on a different power-scale, but if it's by the original designers, it probably would be fun.

But guys - :unsure:

What if it isn't made by Craig and Rob? (Monty Python-esque sound effect **DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH!** )

I think that if it was done carefully, the Marvel characters could be priced and powered in a way that captures the FEEL of their abilities, while still balancing them against vanilla scape. I want them to be marketed as a separate entity, but compatibility is key for me.

I think if Hulk had the FEEL of the Hulk, he could come in as a 200-225 point Charos/Jotun level unit, with other major heroes clocking in the 100-200 point range based on power levels (Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, etc), and minor or unpowered characters (Black Widow, Punisher, Hawkeye, Iron Fist, etc) coming in around 80-100 points. Shield Agents, Skrulls, Doombots, Spider-slayers, etc could fill out the under 100 point units and give us some squads. Large commons like Sentinels could be 75-80 point common heroes. Galactus could be the end-all unit, coming in at a whopping 250-300 points.

I honestly think that in the HS world, Krug is supposed to have the power of the hulk, in some ways. So the real deal Hulk could be a suped up version of Krug, which would maintain his essential qualities.

[noodles]

1) first of all buddy, watch your language, there are kids on this site.

****

sorry, i just couldn't help myself.