POLL FOR FORMAT OF I-5 Beatdown

[Alastair MacDirk]

Let's settle this question now. Every third person is adding a new 2 cents on how the format of the day should go. I, for one, find the prospect of driving 2.5 hours into an unorganized mess a bit unsettling. My goal is to get a concensus from the participants on what format exactly we agree on. My thought is that it should be a straight up double elim. tourney. Many other ideas have been forwarded here including multi-player games. I think there will be plenty of folks out of the tourney with plenty of time in the day left to get some multi-player games going in conjuction with the "medal rounds" of the tourney. There sure as heck won't be as many Socals there, but that is OK. When we set each round of the tourney our first mission will be to try and pair up whatever Socals that do show with a Nocal they haven't played yet. This should ensure that the beatdown concept of a border skirmish is incorporated into the day. Everyone participating will have a chance to leave with the title of Cali-Champ. We can give the reigning champs byes in rounds where we have odd #s to give their status significance.

MAPS Needed.

[1moreheroscaper]

Double elimination sounds good to me as the main event & tourney title. Then there could be team battles with volunteer match-ups for non-title/smash down bragging rights. A lastly, a third alternative of mission-based maps with multiple players for a Dog-Eat-Dog Survivor Title. I still would like to see some competition...almost like Heroscape Track & Field.

[Joe's Fury]

Alastair I voted for a full on battle. If the numbers were even, I would vote for double elimination hands down. But being that Norcal probably 3x Socal, it wouldn't correct. They will always have an excuse to not acknowledge the winner as Best of the West. They will say things like "Oh that's because our new Champion was not here" or "Oh we were outnumbered by 3x's". To tell you the truth it will probably take 8 matches to finish (that's about 5-6 hours of playing nonstop).

I feel we're here for a beatdown so let's do it. To organize it, Norcal folks should decide what they want to play, if you want to play singles say so, if you want doubles choose a partner, same for triples (you can vote for multiple categories if you wish). We hand that list to Socal and since they are fewer in numbers, we let them choose who they want to battle. If you already played SoCal in one match you don't get to play again until every NorCal person had a chance. We keep track of scores as I mentioned before. While the battles go one, Norcal take care of family matters amonst themselves..............speaking of which, I still owe you a battle Alastair :-D

Let me know what you guys think. Either way I will go with majority votes.

[ultradoug]

I'd be able to do eather way, but i put in for double, it might take longer, but its more fair.

[Alastair MacDirk]

Alastair I voted for a full on battle. If the numbers were even, I would vote for double elimination hands down. But being that Norcal probably 3x Socal, it wouldn't correct. They will always have an excuse to not acknowledge the winner as Best of the West. They will say things like "Oh that's because our new Champion was not here" or "Oh we were outnumbered by 3x's". To tell you the truth it will probably take 8 matches to finish (that's about 5-6 hours of playing nonstop).

I feel we're here for a beatdown so let's do it. To organize it, Norcal folks should decide what they want to play, if you want to play singles say so, if you want doubles choose a partner, same for triples (you can vote for multiple categories if you wish). We hand that list to Socal and since they are fewer in numbers, we let them choose who they want to battle. If you already played SoCal in one match you don't get to play again until every NorCal person had a chance. We keep track of scores as I mentioned before. While the battles go one, Norcal take care of family matters amonst themselves..............speaking of which, I still owe you a battle Alastair :-D

Let me know what you guys think. Either way I will go with majority votes.

The numbers Nocal vs Socal being uneven makes even more compelling argument for double elim. tourney. How you going to have a team beat-dwon and have half the people standing around watching???? It's up to Socals sense of pride to field some players and have no excuses if they can't win the tourney. The best players should rise to the top, yes??? So if Oogie and Dman are that good they should wind up playing each other in the finals even if they are the only two who show up from Socal. What if you hand them your list of 3 on3 and 2 on 2 and they say they only wanna play 1 on 1, then what? I don't care what is decided by this poll one way or the other. I just want to ensure it is decided in a fair manner and soon enough for us to continue planning in the short time left.

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

I want to meet some more 'Scapers, but at the same time I really want to game non-stop for as long as I can possibly go.

Whatever choice gets me the most play for my time, I'm there.

[Oogie_Da_Bruce]

Don't care....

Whatever format works for me.

[Satyr]

I'm abstaining from voting ... its all good.

As I've said elsewhere ... the structure of a tourney makes the event much easier to put together. But what would easily set the course for the day (tourney or other) would be a hand on the helm ... someone stepping up to champion/organize the event. It has been done by committee thus far, which is fine, but it will take 4x longer to organize. UD has offered (thanks UD), but it seems wrong for an outta towner to run this event. I'll help out the day of the event, but I shouldn't even be posting now I'm so buried in work. :2cents:

HEH, rest assured that what ever happens there will be bocu gaming.

[boom]

I like the original idea of south vs. north so I voted for the 1 on 1, 2 on 2 stuff. What happened to the idea of the mods taking the helm here? Oog? HEH? I'll assist in what you need, just LMK.

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

I like the original idea of south vs. north so I voted for the 1 on 1, 2 on 2 stuff. What happened to the idea of the mods taking the helm here? Oog? HEH? I'll assist in what you need, just LMK.

I've never done a tournament and watching Satyr operate his made my simpleton brain hurt. :? There's a first time for everything, but I don't think I'm the best choice to set up a tournament, yet.

I'm in the process of making buttons for the event courtesy of my brother's button machine and Malechi's graphic skillz. I'm bringing a map.

And I'll restate: I just want to play as long as I can with whomever - be it NorCal or SoCal. I dont' want to go up against Guerillanator as I do this every frickin' week about 3 times a session. I want very little downtime in order to avoid anyone twiddling their thumbs waiting to play and watching others go at it.

I'm open for either format and willing to do whatever it takes to get this thing going!

(It's all about me me me, isn't it?) :D

[Oogie_Da_Bruce]

I like the original idea of south vs. north so I voted for the 1 on 1, 2 on 2 stuff. What happened to the idea of the mods taking the helm here? Oog? HEH? I'll assist in what you need, just LMK.

Try me again Monday. I'm in the middle of training events at work this week. Ugh... :roll:

[Gambit]

i dont care.......




...........that much :wink:

[Malechi]

Double Elimination seems the best route to me. Those that have been eliminated can then play single one-on-one or team vs. team games as they see fit. You win, you keep playing tourney style. You lose you have fun playing unregulated games. I see it as a win-win either way!

[Alastair MacDirk]

Double Elimination seems the best route to me. Those that have been eliminated can then play single one-on-one or team vs. team games as they see fit. You win, you keep playing tourney style. You lose you have fun playing unregulated games. I see it as a win-win either way!

Exactly!

[pitboss]

I will step up to the plate, and offer to organize a BEATDOWN.

Afterall, that's what it's called right? I-5 Beatdown is the title last time I checked. I proposed the 3vs3,3vs3,1vs1 idea a while back and I voted for the non-tourny selection. Seeing as to how we have tourny's in our respective areas, how often do you get to beatdown on intrastate rivals on an EPIC level?

All suggestions, ideas, comments, and gripes will be welcome and considered because we all want as many participants as possible... but in the end the structure (to make it easier to run) will be a beatdown format.

Here's the summary of the format we would start tweaking (it's on page 18 of the "I-5 Beatdown" thread):

:jotun:

Summary:

Round 1* - 2 Hours Battles A,B,C 3vs3 Nor vs Sou 400ppp Annihilation

Lunch 0:45 Mins

Round 2* - 2 Hours Battle D 3vs3 Nor vs Sou 400ppp Annihilation

Break 0:15 Mins

Round 3* - 1 Hour Battle Final Beatdown 1vs1 Nor Vs Sou 400ppp Annie

==============================================
Total Clackin' time 5 hours give or take + 1 hour downtime = 11am-5pm

[reapersaurus]

I just think it's a mite dangerous to assume to be able to play 1200 points vs 1200 points team battles in 2 hours each of 2 rounds. :shrug:

That's a HELL of a lot of rounds that would be needed to whittle down THAT much units.

We know from Kublacon and NorCal Gameday 1 that matches between experienced HSers on an already-set-up board take on average <=30 minutes.

As long as we give the organizer a BIT of time to wor the matchups in-between rounds, there should be plenty of gaming to FIRST get a double-elimination, 1-vs-1 tournament in, and then adjourn to team and grudge matches the rest of the day. :?:

[Malechi]

... Summary:
Round 1* - 2 Hours Battles A,B,C 3vs3 Nor vs Sou 400ppp Annihilation ...

That's cool, but where do you intend to find that many SoCal players that have the cajones to show up? So far you have enough to cover "A", there ain't no "B" and "C"!

I hate to say it, but it appears Double Elimination is the only way this will work out. Winner takes all including bragging rights to the reigning All California I-5 Beatdown Champ!

[Satyr]

SoCal only has 4 people confirmed. Odd man out would have to team up with NorCal.

Not that I don't trust them mangy SoCal varmints, but I've been shot in the back by my own sister after she claimed I was using her wolves for Deathwalker fodder ... Ok, I was, but that diversion got me within striking distance :twisted:

Love the concept of 3v3 (gotta do this as cage match!), but not sure its right for the beatdown :shrug:

[reapersaurus]

Love the concept of 3v3 (gotta do this as cage match!), but not sure its right for the beatdown :shrug:3v3 looked like a LOT of fun at Kublacon, with the CCC, I'll admit.

And why can't it be both?

The tournament won't last but a couple hours, MAX 3 hours with so few people gonna make it. And I'd be totally satisfied with the results if Detrmental man and Oogie could make it along with some of the top NorCal players, so that would lend the title some weight.

After that's done early in the day, it's open-season on whatever brand of beat-down anyone wants to join in on. Heck, we may even be able to break some customs out for game that includes those. I would challenge someone to take on my Oliphaunt Army. :D Naaaaaaa.

I would like to get in on a 3v3 game with the CCC, either with 'em or against 'em. :D
We'd need to set up a pretty large board to accomodate 1200 points worth of beat-down....who's up for that challenge?

[Malechi]

Love the concept of 3v3 (gotta do this as cage match!), but not sure its right for the beatdown :shrug:

And why can't it be both?

That's what I am saying.

Start with everyone in the Double Elimination Tourney; the winner of the tourney takes the title All California I-5 Beatdown Champ.

Then as the losers fall out of the Tourney they are able to have any Battle Royales with massive armies and massive amounts of trash takin'; or, Custom Figure Battles for those that do that sorta thing; or, Custom Rules Battles because I still want to try the Command Cards, etc., etc., etc.!

[Joe's Fury]

Hey All, usually for 3vs3 battles we go with 200 points each or 600 points per team split any way. For 2vs2vs2, (don't forget this one, it's even more fun) we use the same point values either 200 each or 400 for the team. If you want you can bump the points up a lil, but I do agree 400 each person is a lot - doable but a lot. 2vs2 you can go with 300 or 400 each up to you, I prefer 300 to make shorter games.

As I mentioned before, double elim with 16 people is a min of 8 rounds so about 4-5 hours min. And that fact that it's a tourny, more than likely for CCC we will end up playing each other somewhere during the tourny, and we play against each other practically every week (same goes for SoCal). I want to play new people be it SoCal or NorCal. Example- I would love to play a 2vs2 battle against Reaper and UD also; and if you like bring your customs, just let me read them first so we can decide if the point value is justifiable (ie, a 10 life, 10 D, 10 O, range 10 for 10 points is a no no) :-D

Last NorCal Gameday we all wished we played this person or that person on X scenario, etc. I really don't want to feel that way for this one especially since we'll have SoCalers and UD here. How often will we have this chance? Think about it this way, if you play in the tourny, the guy who gets kicked out first will have more fun than whoever is still stuck playing the tourny.

Alastair, I know you're afraid it will be chaotic, but rest assure if Pitboss volunteered to run it then it will be fine. I'm still in Boston right now, so when I get back this weekend I can discuss with Pitboss the exact format and we can show it to you guys to see how you all feel. But we will probably need everyone's help with some map ideas and creations.

And if you guys still decide to go double elim then fine. But would you agree to not drawing numbers and allowing us to map the chart? What I would do is separate whoever doesn't want to play with another on different brackets. For example, Socalers I would split into different brackets, same for CCC, and anyone else that comes in a group of people they often play (maybe Alastair, Satyr, and Morning Star). This way you have a higher probability of not playing someone you always play against. Your guys thoughts?

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

Last NorCal Gameday we all wished we played this person or that person on X scenario, etc. I really don't want to feel that way for this one especially since we'll have SoCalers and UD here. How often will we have this chance? Think about it this way, if you play in the tourny, the guy who gets kicked out first will have more fun than whoever is still stuck playing the tourny.


Totally agree,

If I had my wish, I'd want to play
Joe's Fury -heck, anyone from CCC! Didn't get the chance last tourney :!:
UD
ODB, Wilk, or any other SoCal victims :lol:
AND MALECHI!!!!!!!!!! :twisted:



And if you guys still decide to go double elim then fine. But would you agree to not drawing numbers and allowing us to map the chart? What I would do is separate whoever doesn't want to play with another on different brackets. For example, Socalers I would split into different brackets, same for CCC, and anyone else that comes in a group of people they often play (maybe Alastair, Satyr, and Morning Star). This way you have a higher probability of not playing someone you always play against. Your guys thoughts?


Agreed again. I had a chance to play Alastari, Satyr, and Reaper, and I don't want to play Guerillinator cuz I do anyway each week.

Just give me new victims! :twisted:

:?: (Or maybe I do wanna play Satry and Alastair again to show them I'm not a complete buffon at playing the game. :oops:)

[ultradoug]

oh, you've never seen me work a bracket system. Its like art form of insainty I tell you.

I dont know who is in the "CCC" group or whom's played whom before.
I've never played any of you but even if I had like 100 point games there would be no way I could play all those people, plus hey, Tae would be all mad, it would have to be a 180 game, so I could run Tae. And he would just rant the whole time anyway.

(who am I kidding he is going to rant no matter what!)

Anyway, serously, who plays who just go down the list of people and it should work out, I can figure it out now, or on the fly whatever.

To do it regardles I'd have to know who wants to play whom.

HEX-Malacai
Joe's Fury-Reaper
etc etc, then whoevers next that wants to play that person gets to play them etc, everyone plays somoene new idealy.

Wait you say what happened to the tourment? Fear not my friend this is swiss style system, where people play people that match them in points- see if good old HEH wins and Reaper ate Joe and won by defalt, then Joe and HEH play since they are both 1-0. Joe whos semi-degested would play Malacai, since they are both 0-1, whoever loses from that is out and plays whomever for fun in the big table of fun - open tables for said fun games set aside. There you go, this way everyone would play someone new. Wait you say, what about the NC/SC thing, dont worry! This system should also make it that people are playing vs SC players whenever possible. There. Everyone happy? What no? Fine I feed you all to Reaper, eat them Reaper eat them all!

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f348/coolmondoug/eatreapereat.jpg

[Joe's Fury]

Here's an online chart for double elim, if we decide that route:
http://www.foosballheaven.com/pdf/tournament16c.pdf (16 people)
http://www.foosballheaven.com/misc/foosbrackets.html (on top link for 8,16,32 people)

[Detrimentalman]

If the day will be about N vs S games then I am coming. If we are doing a tournament for some title, when a bunch of the SoCal people can't even make it, then as far as I am concerned the North can play with themselves. That's all it will amount to anyhow so why should I bother showing up to add credulity to a sham title.

You want to figure it out amongst yourselves who will play and have an even number of N vs S for a tournament then fine. Such a tournament would be a lot smaller and faster so we can get on with other games afterwards. It would afford some people a semiquasi ranked standing and stay with the N vs S theme making the most number of people happy. After all quite a few of the North don't care about having a tournament anyhow so it shouldn't be to hard to narrow down the list of people who want to do it.

There doesn't need to be any system that I can see for random 2v2 1v1 etc games. Being capable adults I don't see how there will be any problem pointing at free peope that aren't in a game and going "Let's play" to figure out who will play who. Someone bring a white eraser board and after each game people go up and mark a win for N or S and there ya have it. Why make it more difficult then it has to be. If you have time to waste and want to figure out some complex system, then be my guest. So called "top players" on both sides can even seek out their counterparts and play games to determine who is better if they want too rather then doing a full blown tournament.

[Malechi]

If the day will be about N vs S games then I am coming. If we are doing a tournament for some title, when a bunch of the SoCal people can't even make it, then as far as I am concerned the North can play with themselves. That's all it will amount to anyhow so why should I bother showing up to add credulity to a sham title.

Sour grapes brought to you by a SoCal LOSER!

[Detrimentalman]

:shrug: I have nothing to prove. Why don't you just hold the tournament at another time and place of your choosing.

*taps the mic* Attention, Attention! I am holding a tournament for West Coast Champion at 12pm on Saturday August 17th. If you can't make it then you're a coward. I'll be there, so it's not my problem. I want a title under my name and don't give a damn how I get it. *sarcasm off*

Plus I love how someone from NoCal can express the same opinion (though it was no tournament=not really worth my time) yet I am the loser. This is suppose to be about N vs S and if it's going to be an everyman for himself knockout tournament then why should I show up. I know i am most likely within the top 10 active players in the area and a tournament here won't change that nor do I care one way or the other.

I was all for a tournament until I realised how unbalanced the sides will be. If it isn't going to be N vs S then why are we meeting up to play anyhow? Do you guys just not want to play N vs S games anymore? Scared much? Excuse me for wanting to play the god damn game and have some fun!


Personally, I hate tournament play because everyone goes home missing something. So-and-so wanted to play massive team battles. Whats-his-face wanted to play against That-one-guy, but wasn't chosen to play him. Etc. Oh, we'll play a tournament because it is the only way to get some people to go and this is what people expect. But, mark my words, you will here "Next time we gotta...", "I never got to play...", "We need to do teams..."

Discussing the symantics of a tournament title? Bitching about players flying in from other locations (even though they clearly stated they are CA natives only recently moved to Texas)? Are you people insane? Gimme a break!

I just wanna play the God damn game!

You're words, so why aren't you with me on this?

[Malechi]

C'mon SoCal called out NorCal. NorCal responded and put up (even one member buying airline ticket to visit his old home state*)! Now all except 2 SoCal members back out. So put up, or shut up!

* This is specifically why I am so freakin' pissed off at the whimpy no-show SoCal members right now!

[ultradoug]

pannic mode 10000000%

[ultradoug]

oh, you've never seen me work a bracket system. Its like art form of insainty I tell you.

I dont know who is in the "CCC" group or whom's played whom before.
I've never played any of you but even if I had like 100 point games there would be no way I could play all those people, plus hey, Tae would be all mad, it would have to be a 180 game, so I could run Tae. And he would just rant the whole time anyway.

(who am I kidding he is going to rant no matter what!)

Anyway, serously, who plays who just go down the list of people and it should work out, I can figure it out now, or on the fly whatever.

To do it regardles I'd have to know who wants to play whom.

HEX-Malacai
Joe's Fury-Reaper
etc etc, then whoevers next that wants to play that person gets to play them etc, everyone plays somoene new idealy.

Wait you say what happened to the tourment? Fear not my friend this is swiss style system, where people play people that match them in points- see if good old HEH wins and Reaper ate Joe and won by defalt, then Joe and HEH play since they are both 1-0. Joe whos semi-degested would play Malacai, since they are both 0-1, whoever loses from that is out and plays whomever for fun in the big table of fun - open tables for said fun games set aside. There you go, this way everyone would play someone new. Wait you say, what about the NC/SC thing, dont worry! This system should also make it that people are playing vs SC players whenever possible.

Again, if anyone reads this, I can make this work for everyones likeing ... if you can not come up for this date then please take a moment and unconferm on the post or via pm.
that is all.

[Detrimentalman]

Wait you say what happened to the tourment? Fear not my friend this is swiss style system, where people play people that match them in points- see if good old HEH wins and Reaper ate Joe and won by defalt, then Joe and HEH play since they are both 1-0. Joe whos semi-degested would play Malacai, since they are both 0-1, whoever loses from that is out and plays whomever for fun in the big table of fun - open tables for said fun games set aside. There you go, this way everyone would play someone new. Wait you say, what about the NC/SC thing, dont worry! This system should also make it that people are playing vs SC players whenever possible.

UD first off how do you determine a winner in your tournament? Is this double elimination? And i'm guessing it's just 400pt 1v1 battles?

If people are arranging who they want to fight then how do you stop people from trying to prey on people they feel are weaker players for an easy win? "I decided that I do not want to play Voodoo, Oogie, and any other top players on your side....."

How does it solve the problem that by simple odds you are more likely to have a NorCal person in the the final spot because you outnumber us currently about 3-1 at best?

This is my biggest issue with the tournament so far:

With the current roster SoCal people have 6 losses before they're all out while NoCal will have somewhere close to 24 losses before they're all out.

[ultradoug]

I'll delay on forming any plan untill i know whos comming at this point.

[Detrimentalman]

Sounds like a good idea UD. Give the poll some more time to maybe go one way or the other as well. It's very even so far.

[Joe's Fury]

Hello All, It's definite now that the I-5 Beatdown will take place. I feel there is no longer a need for a tournament, but definitely a need for a beat down. From what I saw at least 4 SoCalers are coming, possibly 2 more (Wilkerson, AllSkulls).