Warhammer: is it cool?

[braveheart101]

I really like to paint minis, and I really like to play tabletop wargames, and I really like british games, so should I ask for battle for skull pass for my b-day? Please comment!

~Bravey~

[Metaknight]

Cool, but sometimes you do a bad paint job. WAY to much money, especially if your going to continue playing it. Its $25 for three unpainted figures! Also harder to find than any other game like it. Very confusing and long. Stick to Heroscape.

[braveheart101]

Sounds like my kind of game! Long, complicated and I get to paint my own minis! note that I'm not being sarcastic :D . Besides, its really easy to find where I live! I go to valhallas gate, where 'scape and warhammer are in abundance!

~bravey~

[DarkSpade]

If you like to paint, then there's really nothing stopping you. The game is not as confusing as most people think it is. You just have to play a few games to get used to it.

And yes, in some areas it's hard NOT to find GW stuff.

Only warning I could give you is that you've got to be good with stratagy and planning ahead with Warhammer: Fantasy. It's one of those games where you need to always think about what you're going to do next turn.

[braveheart101]

I'm working on my stragety. so warhammer isnt like heroscape? you have to plan ahead? Thats cool! so you dont know where your going but t'cha wanna talk... oopps. I'm listening to coldplay :oops: . Okay, I really wanna get warhammer now! BUT, I have to wait a month until I turn 13!
I wish my B-day was sooner!

~bravey~

[hobbesthebrainslug]

Warhammer is VERY expensive, a decent army costs upwards of 50$, not to mention paint, terrain, and a big table to play on

stick with heroscape.

[braveheart101]

Warhammer is VERY expensive, a decent army costs upwards of 50$, not to mention paint, terrain, and a big table to play on

stick with heroscape.

I know and I'm making a dwarf army, so I wont spend as much! I wont spend as much because the battle for skull pass set (the starter set) come with a ton of dwarves and paint and glue and clippers.

~bravey, not changing his mind~

[Billtog]

Warhammer is VERY expensive, a decent army costs upwards of 50$, not to mention paint, terrain, and a big table to play on

stick with heroscape.

A decent army for Heroscape costs more, assuming that everyone buys the Master Set first. You're already $40 in the hole.

[Jack o' Blades]

Warhammer is VERY expensive, a decent army costs upwards of 50$, not to mention paint, terrain, and a big table to play on

stick with heroscape.

Yea, stick with HS and just make customs.


A decent army for $50 is an understatement. I too was pulled into the awesome-ness of WH, but the costs put me down. Once you think about it, the glue, X-acto knife, primer, paints, brushes and everything else just needed for the minis is about $40. Then, you can get the minis. In Warhammer, $50 will get you about 4-8 figures. HeroScape on the other hand, will get you 30+.

Then, once your into it, you'll want more figures, different color schemes, all of which will be more money. You'll misplace your super glue, and primer. So you'll have to buy those again...

It's just not worth it :headshake:

[braveheart101]

Warhammer is VERY expensive, a decent army costs upwards of 50$, not to mention paint, terrain, and a big table to play on

stick with heroscape.

Yea, stick with HS and just make customs.


A decent army for $50 is an understatement. I too was pulled into the awesome-ness of WH, but the costs put me down. Once you think about it, the glue, X-acto knife, primer, paints, brushes and everything else just needed for the minis is about $40. Then, you can get the minis. In Warhammer, $50 will get you about 4-8 figures. HeroScape on the other hand, will get you 30+.

Then, once your into it, you'll want more figures, different color schemes, all of which will be more money. You'll misplace your super glue, and primer. So you'll have to buy those again...

It's just not worth it :headshake:

actually, $60.00 gets you 128 minis, 1 good paint brush, 12 pots of paint, glue, clippers and the rule books! also, I'm selling my battlelore stuff, so I'll have money for primer and extra paints. AND the starter set is gonna be my b-day present :D

~bravey,STILL not gonna change his mind~

[mrbistro]

Warhammer is VERY expensive, a decent army costs upwards of 50$, not to mention paint, terrain, and a big table to play on

stick with heroscape.
$50 is not a good estimate as one unit of troops can cost from $20-$50. A decent army will cost $200-$300. The army book will cost about $20.

[braveheart101]

I guess 'scape isnt up to scratch for me, since you dont get to paint your on minis! And, you get the rule book in the starter set for warhammer. Also, I'm making a casual army. and, Im not gonna buy everything in one fell swoop, I'm going to do it bit by bit. And Im only gonna get two or three differnt sqauds of dwarves after I get the starter set.

~bravey~

[Jack o' Blades]

actually, $60.00 gets you 128 minis, 1 good paint brush, 12 pots of paint, glue, clippers and the rule books! also, I'm selling my battlelore stuff, so I'll have money for primer and extra paints. AND the starter set is gonna be my b-day present :D
:shock:

How?

[braveheart101]

actually, $60.00 gets you 128 minis, 1 good paint brush, 12 pots of paint, glue, clippers and the rule books! also, I'm selling my battlelore stuff, so I'll have money for primer and extra paints. AND the starter set is gonna be my b-day present :D
:shock:

How?

Get the hobby version of battle for skull pass.

~bravey~

[Onacara]

actually, $60.00 gets you 128 minis, 1 good paint brush, 12 pots of paint, glue, clippers and the rule books! also, I'm selling my battlelore stuff, so I'll have money for primer and extra paints. AND the starter set is gonna be my b-day present :D
:shock:

How?

http://store.us.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.us?do=List_Models&code=13&orignav=13&GameNav=13

[LilMoochie]

... Also, I'm making a casual army. and, Im not gonna buy everything in one fell swoop...

~bravey~
I've never played, but from my research it seems to me that Warhammer and Warhammer 40K don't lend themselves to casual play. That's what I like about Heroscape. You can sit down and get a game finished in less than 2 hours. It's also a game I can teach in about 30 minutes. A buddy of mine had a huge Warhammer 40K collection that he ditched because it was such a hassle to find anyone to play with.

[DarkSpade]

So, braveheart101, what are you going to do next? Go to a vegan chatroom and ask what everyone thinks of bacon? :lol:

Don't let these guys discorage you. Games-workshop is a fun hobby if you have the time and money for it. Sadly, I don't, or I'd still be playing WH40k.

[shadowpie]

war hammer looks fun and all but the price is ridiculos i mean why choose something more expensive i mean heroscape even though you dont get to paint the minis it doesnt leave the burning hole in your wallet/pocket

[DarkSpade]

[heroscape] doesnt leave the burning hole in your wallet/pocket

Tell that to the guys who buy 3 of everything that comes out.

[Sweetcurse]

I have to say, if you want a GW painting minis game with depth, then play Mordheim. The rulebooks are free, the system versatile with RPG elements and you can use ANY minis. There are multiple factions that are quick to collect (you can easily own 10+ armies, I own about that many so it's easy to get other people into it and that way you don't struggle to find players.) and it's easy to customize the rules and make additions. You get ALL the feeling of WHFB at a fraction of the cost. Also, the setting rules, oozes personality and mystery.

www.specialty-games.com

Do yourself a favor and try this before spending tons on WHFB. Though I have to say, if I was collecting an army of WHFB I'd also pick dwarves...they rule.

[DarkSpade]

Mordheim is a great game. However to get the most out of it, you need at least a few other people to play since it's its best as a league.

It is a completely differnet game though. Only the races are the same.

[hobbesthebrainslug]

Warhammer is VERY expensive, a decent army costs upwards of 50$, not to mention paint, terrain, and a big table to play on

stick with heroscape.
$50 is not a good estimate as one unit of troops can cost from $20-$50. A decent army will cost $200-$300. The army book will cost about $20.

if you want a little of each troop type.
what im talking about is the smaller armies me and my friends played with. one or two squads of troops with an HQ selection. maybe a heavy support or fast character thrown in.

[hobbesthebrainslug]

Warhammer is VERY expensive, a decent army costs upwards of 50$, not to mention paint, terrain, and a big table to play on

stick with heroscape.

A decent army for Heroscape costs more, assuming that everyone buys the Master Set first. You're already $40 in the hole.
I originally had a big spiel on how heroscape was better on your wallet than warhammer, but it was too long so im going to sum it up.

warhammer, after buying a starter set, a full version of the rules, and a couple more sets of figures costs 190$. the example i used is from the army i personally use. but the same can be applied to most of the warhammer line, give or take about 30$
the mini's are also unpainted, unassembled, come with only a little terrain, and the rules are extremely complex. I'm not including prices for these other materials.

heroscape's master set comes with everything you need. but after buying an entire wave of figure expansions brings you up to around 80$
the mini's are both painted and assembled, and they come with plenty of terrain so you dont need to make any of your own.

so which keeps the wallet as fat as it should be? i thought so

[Uprising]

Ok, I just saw that link for Battle for Skull Pass. I can't beleive you get all that for $60. :shock: I remember, I think it was in 96', I first bought Warhammer and it was $80 for a lot less stuff and worse models. $60 is great.

[shadowpie]

uprising s right i saw the battle for skull pass and said holy crap all that for 60 bucks!

also i had heard of warhammer before but never seen it and when i saw the battle for skull pass i realized i have some warhammer that i got at a yardsale for 10 bucks! WOOHOOOOO

[zanter]

uprising s right i saw the battle for skull pass and said holy crap all that for 60 bucks!

also i had heard of warhammer before but never seen it and when i saw the battle for skull pass i realized i have some warhammer that i got at a yardsale for 10 bucks! WOOHOOOOO USE COMMAS FOR PETES SAKE! edit: sory about the outburst.

[Bannister]

If you want to get into Warhammer, Battle for Skull Pass is a great way. If you have a buddy who wants to play goblins you can split it with him. The box set comes with a minature rule book so you don't have to drop another $50 on the big one yet.

It is expensive but if you are in to it go for it. To save money, buy from online retailers for box sets and bits, and trade or buy bits at your local shop.

www.thewarstore.com is great, they bought out Battlewagon Bits so you can get a ton of bits for conversions and what nots.

Between my son and I we have:

2,000 Dwarf (Mine started with BfSP box set)
1,000 Orcs & Goblins
1,000 Chaos

2,000 Tau
2,000 Tyranids
1,000 Space Marines (Give or take a few)

I also love painting the miniatures, it is how I unwind from my day.
:D

So the moral of this post is do what you want.

Bannister

[bunjee]

First off, anything you enjoy doing, is worth doing right. If you enjoy painting minis, Warhammer offers a good product with a solid backing so you know it will be around for a while.

As many have mentioned, it gets pricey, but you can keep your eyes out on ebay for people selling off things, and I've heard you can get ok money for painted minis, so if you are good, maybe you could cover the cost of the ones you want.

And now I'll be moving this to the Other Games category.

[DarkSpade]

As for other GW products...

Paint:
While there are better paints on the market, I prefer GW's. They dry fast so you can paint a unit faster.

Tank brush:
It's clearly over priced, but I don't recall seeing a similar brush anywhere else. It makes dry brushing large projects far easier.

Glue:
Only glue I use. Not too thrilled with the noozle(you have to keep it clean), but I like how it's not too solid, and not to runny.

Premade terrian:
I've always liked the terrain GW comes out with, and their new stuff is no exception. It is expensive, but you'll come to learn that when it comes to war gaming terrain, there's no such thing as cheap unless you make it from scratch. Some of the stuff can be found cheaper through websites that sell bits. For example, i got the $25 tree sprues for about $5.

Everything else:
Complete rip off. Whatever it is, you can find it in larger quantities for cheaper. Especially flock.

[Sweetcurse]

Mordheim is a great game. However to get the most out of it, you need at least a few other people to play since it's its best as a league.

It is a completely different game though. Only the races are the same.

See, that is not a con, but a pro in favor of Mordheim. You also need to find people to play WHFB with. Typically people who own a single army so you get stuck playing similar games all the time. With Mordheim, you can buy MANY armies for the same price and show any of your friends how to play without them having to spend anything at all. Also, you don't really need to play league RPG style, you can simply play one off games. These are quite popular too and easy to do. Mordheim gives you much of the same experience as WHFB for a lot less money. Heck, throw in the rules for Empire in Flames and you have a no brainer. Either way, Mordheim is a cheap way to get a taste of the universe. The rulebook is free and you can pretty much use any minis to get started as long as they roughly match.

[DarkSpade]

Mordheim is a great game. However to get the most out of it, you need at least a few other people to play since it's its best as a league.

It is a completely different game though. Only the races are the same.

See, that is not a con, but a pro in favor of Mordheim. You also need to find people to play WHFB with. Typically people who own a single army so you get stuck playing similar games all the time. With Mordheim, you can buy MANY armies for the same price and show any of your friends how to play without them having to spend anything at all. Also, you don't really need to play league RPG style, you can simply play one off games. These are quite popular too and easy to do. Mordheim gives you much of the same experience as WHFB for a lot less money. Heck, throw in the rules for Empire in Flames and you have a no brainer. Either way, Mordheim is a cheap way to get a taste of the universe. The rulebook is free and you can pretty much use any minis to get started as long as they roughly match.


I can agree with most of what you've said, except for the part in red. You can get some kind of feel for the WHF universe, but that's it. WHF is a completely different game.


Also, while it is fully possilbe to play one off games, Mordheim shines its brightest in a league.

[RichardD]

I'd rather stick my arm in a blender than play Warhammer.

(By the way, do check out www.willitblend.com; as a sneaky way of selling expensive kitchen blenders, it's a scream. Make sure you watch the video where they ask "Bic lighters - will it blend?")

The GW paints have got progressively worse over the years - fifteen or twenty years ago, they were the best paints you could get for miniatures. The last lot I bought 2 or 3 years ago were fit for the bin straight away, and all dried out within about 6 months.

$60 only buys you a tiny starter army. One of the major problems with ALL the Warhammer rulesets down the years is powercreep - where the latest armies and figures are obviously more powerful than the basic stuff released at the start of the product cycle - and GW "deal" with this by resetting the universe every 3 years or so with a new, completely revised rulebook, army lists and figures. So it becomes like a treadmill, where you have to keep spending to keep up.

Plus the last time I looked at it (I think it was the 4th edition, or maybe the 5th), the gameplay stank. Lots of units whizzing around the battlefield, but no real cohesion, planning or point to it all.

GWs best games are the ones that they've killed off or sidelined over the years. Warhammer Quest/Mordheim, Blood Bowl, Space Hulk, and my favourite GW miniatures game, Epic 40k. Note that the original 6mm sci-fi games put out by GW were rubish IMO; it was only the late-nineties "Epic 40k" that was any good. So. like Fox, they cancelled it after about twelve months. The main problem for GW was that it was a nice, compact game that didn't have room for power-creep or spiralling costs to buy or maintain armies; it also only seemed to appeal to people with enough braincells to deal with the important copncept of "abstraction", so it sold badly. Whereas there's a never-ending supply of 9-13 year-olds willing to spend their parents' money on WHFB.

[Star Wolf]

sounds fun :P

Which would you suggest buying warhammer fantasy or 40k

[Ravven Demonwing]

40k all the way :cheer:

My latest rhyme, anyway.

[dra(gon)]

epic could be the best gw game, but sadly they had there regular wh40 that was bigger as the epic staff. but 2m for a cannon was to big for normal players.

i like space hulk 40k stuff and a standolone game for that game i bought some mettel terminators, the german wd who had only spache hulk in issue 9-14 then end :x . that was sad only airtunnels and some capins, and rooms.

[hakysak]

I always wanted to play WarHammer but there were some problems.

A) I have no time topaint miniatures.

B) I had no one to play with.

C) It costs too much.

After a long time of yearning, I finnally bought BFSP. Right now it is sitting on the bookshelh unpainted, and so far, unplayed. I'll get that dern game going one day.

[bad_calvin]

I'd rather stick my arm in a blender than play Warhammer.

(By the way, do check out www.willitblend.com; as a sneaky way of selling expensive kitchen blenders, it's a scream. Make sure you watch the video where they ask "Bic lighters - will it blend?")

The GW paints have got progressively worse over the years - fifteen or twenty years ago, they were the best paints you could get for miniatures. The last lot I bought 2 or 3 years ago were fit for the bin straight away, and all dried out within about 6 months.

$60 only buys you a tiny starter army. One of the major problems with ALL the Warhammer rulesets down the years is powercreep - where the latest armies and figures are obviously more powerful than the basic stuff released at the start of the product cycle - and GW "deal" with this by resetting the universe every 3 years or so with a new, completely revised rulebook, army lists and figures. So it becomes like a treadmill, where you have to keep spending to keep up.

Plus the last time I looked at it (I think it was the 4th edition, or maybe the 5th), the gameplay stank. Lots of units whizzing around the battlefield, but no real cohesion, planning or point to it all.

GWs best games are the ones that they've killed off or sidelined over the years. Warhammer Quest/Mordheim, Blood Bowl, Space Hulk, and my favourite GW miniatures game, Epic 40k. Note that the original 6mm sci-fi games put out by GW were rubish IMO; it was only the late-nineties "Epic 40k" that was any good. So. like Fox, they cancelled it after about twelve months. The main problem for GW was that it was a nice, compact game that didn't have room for power-creep or spiralling costs to buy or maintain armies; it also only seemed to appeal to people with enough braincells to deal with the important copncept of "abstraction", so it sold badly. Whereas there's a never-ending supply of 9-13 year-olds willing to spend their parents' money on WHFB.

I agree with everything you said. I have a TON of GW stuff, and I wish I didn't. I spent way to much money and time on it from Rouge trader until 3rd edition.. Towards the end of 3rd edition I said "enough is enough" already.

[Renquist]

Can I just ask why anyone thinks WH is the answer if you like to paint mini's? Why can't you paint HS minis?

[LilNewbie]

...

GWs best games are the ones that they've killed off or sidelined over the years. Warhammer Quest/Mordheim, Blood Bowl, Space Hulk, and my favourite GW miniatures game, Epic 40k. Note that the original 6mm sci-fi games put out by GW were rubish IMO; it was only the late-nineties "Epic 40k" that was any good. So. like Fox, they cancelled it after about twelve months. The main problem for GW was that it was a nice, compact game that didn't have room for power-creep or spiralling costs to buy or maintain armies; it also only seemed to appeal to people with enough braincells to deal with the important copncept of "abstraction", so it sold badly. Whereas there's a never-ending supply of 9-13 year-olds willing to spend their parents' money on WHFB.

WHQ, Mordheim, Necromunda, Space Hulk, Blood Bowl and even Gorka Morka, for it's plain silliness, were great games. Just curious if you meant Space Marine/Titan Legions or the Epic 40K released later? I do agree that GW screwed up by dropping their best games and ruined their core games by "simplifying" them too much.

Newb.

[Star Wolf]

Can I just ask why anyone thinks WH is the answer if you like to paint mini's? Why can't you paint HS minis?Because heroscape figures are already painted.

[Metaknight]

Repaint them, this is a heroscape website so you probaby already have some so you don't have to spend $25 getting 3 figures to paint.

[Renquist]

Can I just ask why anyone thinks WH is the answer if you like to paint mini's? Why can't you paint HS minis?Because heroscape figures are already painted.

And that stops you painting them why.....?

[aerofool]

As an 8 year veteran of the GW hobby, here's my 2 cents on the topic...

The GW hobby is one of the most enjoyable hobbies I have. Yes, it can be expensive. One thing that makes it a little easier to swallow is that it is not intended to be an instant gratrification hobby.

HS is more aligned for the instant gratification type of player. $500US spent gets you multiples of almost everything in the system that can be played straight from the box. The most prep time involved is the 30 minutes to an hour it takes to assemble your battlefield. If you just want a few quick and easy games that can be played back to back, than HS is the miniature game system for you.

The GW hobby is more hardcore hobby than game. It takes a lot of time to pick an army, build and paint it. The assembling and painting of miniatures and scenery is well more than half the hobby istelf. One can spend $500US on Warhammer Fantasy alone and barely scratch the surface on what you can add. A complete WHFB army can take years and, dare I say it, hundreds i,f not thousands, of dollars to complete. WHFB is a huge commitment both in time and money. $60 may get you a starter set, but if you choose to stay with one of the 2 armies in the box you will need the army book for that army ($20). You gotta paint your guys, and to do a decent job you need several types of brushes and many jars of paints. My suggestion is to get the Mega Paint set. You will get every paint color you will ever need, empty jars for mixing, and one of each brush ($250). If that is too much of a drop in the bucket, get the starter paint set, as well as one of each flesh tone and a few shades of whatever the primary colors you plan your army to be. That and a few brushes is about $50 or less, total. All terrain is either scratch-built or recycled model railroad scenery. You will need it when you start to play. After you get your army from the starter box assembled, you need to start looking into adding to your army. You can add units for about $25-$200 each depending on if you're going all plastic or all metal. Remember, all units can be put together a few models at a time ti lessen the burden of time and money spent in one sitting. What I like to do is every month or so spend about $50 on more models for my HE army. I don't buy another unit until the one I just bought is painted. From here you can go as fast or as slow as you like in building your army. In the GW hobby there is seldom instant gratification, but the time spent does make the hobby more rewarding in the end.

WHFB is not the only GW game, here are a few others you may want to look into..

WH40k - Just like the original Warhammer Fantasy game, but set in a Sci-Fi world. Maybe half the models required to play, plus you get the option to use tanks and armored vehicles.

LOTR - Based on the Lord of the Rings Movies and Tolkien books. Slightly smaller scale than most other primary games by GW. 8 to 50 models per player to be interesting. License is about to run out, however, and it is questionable whether GW wil renew. Maybe not wise to get into this one.

Mordheim - 5 to 15 models neded to play per person and that's it. Similar rules to WHFB so it's a good gateway. Far more scenery based, however. Fantasy themed. Free downloadable rules.

Necromunda - Same as Mordheim in model and scenery requirements. Sci-Fi themed. Free downloadable rules.

Blood Bowl - My fave! Fantasy characters meet on a playing field in a one-off game that resembles a blend of American Football and Rugby. Most WHFB armies are represented by teams. Each player just needs 11 to 16 models tops. Rules are easy to remember and free to download. No scenery or large playing areas needed!

[Codeman]

Dusted off the Warhammer Orcs and have been playing Warhammer lately... Only to find out I need a newer edition book. I kind of forgot all about Warhammer - forgot a lot of things about the rules... HS is great I'm glad they are keeping it a rather simple. Both games are good just Warhammer is more complex and takes longer to play (using all the reference books and charts) can take some of the fun out out of it... HS is much better on that end.

I haven't played HS scince the Nebraska Skrmisish .... Hope to get back to HS in KC on Jan 3rd

['Scaper94]

How do you figure the points in WH? How many characters do you get for said points?

[Mooseman]

How do you figure the points in WH? How many characters do you get for said points?

Each army has its own army book. The books contain an army list, which gives you all the rules for your army, and point costs.

Standard size games in Fantasy are around 2000-2500 and probably have roughly 80 models per side.

Standard for 40k is around 1500-2000. Roughly around 40-60 models a side.

[Jormi_Boced]

Yes!

[Pilgrim]

I really like to paint minis, and I really like to play tabletop wargames, and I really like british games, so should I ask for battle for skull pass for my b-day? Please comment!

~Bravey~

Re-read your original post (quoted above) and then think about the question of your thread title.

No, it's not cool. None of us are cool. This is a miniature gaming site.

Embrace your nerd-hood.

['Scaper94]

How do you figure the points in WH? How many characters do you get for said points?

Each army has its own army book. The books contain an army list, which gives you all the rules for your army, and point costs.

Standard size games in Fantasy are around 2000-2500 and probably have roughly 80 models per side.

Standard for 40k is around 1500-2000. Roughly around 40-60 models a side.
And how long (average) would a Fantasy game take, when having said point amounts?

[Jormi_Boced]

Tourney games at 2000-2500 are usually timed for 2 hrs.

[Toad Rocket]

The GW hobby is more hardcore hobby than game. It takes a lot of time to pick an army, build and paint it. The assembling and painting of miniatures and scenery is well more than half the hobby istelf. One can spend $500US on Warhammer Fantasy alone and barely scratch the surface on what you can add. A complete WHFB army can take years and, dare I say it, hundreds i,f not thousands, of dollars to complete. WHFB is a huge commitment both in time and money. $60 may get you a starter set, but if you choose to stay with one of the 2 armies in the box you will need the army book for that army ($20). You gotta paint your guys, and to do a decent job you need several types of brushes and many jars of paints. My suggestion is to get the Mega Paint set. You will get every paint color you will ever need, empty jars for mixing, and one of each brush ($250). If that is too much of a drop in the bucket, get the starter paint set, as well as one of each flesh tone and a few shades of whatever the primary colors you plan your army to be. That and a few brushes is about $50 or less, total. All terrain is either scratch-built or recycled model railroad scenery. You will need it when you start to play. After you get your army from the starter box assembled, you need to start looking into adding to your army. You can add units for about $25-$200 each depending on if you're going all plastic or all metal. Remember, all units can be put together a few models at a time ti lessen the burden of time and money spent in one sitting. What I like to do is every month or so spend about $50 on more models for my HE army. I don't buy another unit until the one I just bought is painted. From here you can go as fast or as slow as you like in building your army. In the GW hobby there is seldom instant gratification, but the time spent does make the hobby more rewarding in the end.



I think the bolded spots is where a lot of people get lost on the Warhammer. I cannot justify the expense or time involved in this game. I know it works great for some people, but since I have a full time job, a wife and children I do not have copious amounts of time and money to put into such a project.
I suppose when it comes right down to it, even if I did have copious amounts of time and money, I still would not put money into this sort thing because it is not my idea of a good time.

[Jormi_Boced]

As far as the money part goes, I think I have spent an equitable amount on Heroscape.

['Scaper94]

Tourney games at 2000-2500 are usually timed for 2 hrs.
Let's say that the game isn't timed. How long would it be?

[Jormi_Boced]

I would say most tournament games finish before time is called, but it depends on a lot of factors. Just like in Heroscape, some armies are slower than others. We usually take about 3 hrs when we are just playing casually at each others home.

['Scaper94]

I would say most tournament games finish before time is called, but it depends on a lot of factors. Just like in Heroscape, some armies are slower than others. We usually take about 3 hrs when we are just playing casually at each others home.
Jeez! Gotta have patience for this game, don't ya?:) How long does it usually take to paint the Starter Set figures if I paint them about an hour or two each day?

[Jormi_Boced]

I would say most tournament games finish before time is called, but it depends on a lot of factors. Just like in Heroscape, some armies are slower than others. We usually take about 3 hrs when we are just playing casually at each others home.
Jeez! Gotta have patience for this game, don't ya?:) How long does it usually take to paint the Starter Set figures if I paint them about an hour or two each day?

Well it really depends on a lot of factors like how fast you are at painting and how good you want them to look when you are done. I try not to spend too much time on my rank and file units. Maybe an hour or so, but on my centerpieces I will spend many hours.

['Scaper94]

I would say most tournament games finish before time is called, but it depends on a lot of factors. Just like in Heroscape, some armies are slower than others. We usually take about 3 hrs when we are just playing casually at each others home.
Jeez! Gotta have patience for this game, don't ya?:) How long does it usually take to paint the Starter Set figures if I paint them about an hour or two each day?

Well it really depends on a lot of factors like how fast you are at painting and how good you want them to look when you are done. I try not to spend too much time on my rank and file units. Maybe an hour or so, but on my centerpieces I will spend many hours.
Ok, cool. A few more questions:

1) Which units do you play? Do you like them?

2) Is it easier or harder than HS?

3) Do water-based acrylic paints work better/worse/the same as the Citadel paints?

4) What's the difference between Fantasy and 40k?

[Anthasu1]

1) I play WH40K Nids (Tyranids) and Chaos Marines. I love both armies for different reasons, although with the new Nid models coming out, I'll probably be playing them more often.

2) WH40K has a lot more rules to remember, and represents battle more realistically in my opinion. I'm fairly new, so that might have something to do with me thinking it is harder.

3) No clue.

4) No clue. Don't play WHFB.

[Mooseman]

1) Which units do you play? Do you like them?

Tyranids. They are awesome. I'm about the only player who's army people complain about, which means I must be doing something right :mrgreen:

2) Is it easier or harder than HS?

Much more complicated. HS is fairly simple as far as miniature wargames go.

3) Do water-based acrylic paints work better/worse/the same as the Citadel paints?

I'm pretty sure they are the same thing. You should probably pick up some paint specially designed for minis if you plan on painting.

4) What's the difference between Fantasy and 40k?

Theme, mostly. 40k has more guns and vehicles, fantasy has more in depth melee combat and morale. They're still structured basically the same though.

[Jormi_Boced]

I would say most tournament games finish before time is called, but it depends on a lot of factors. Just like in Heroscape, some armies are slower than others. We usually take about 3 hrs when we are just playing casually at each others home.
Jeez! Gotta have patience for this game, don't ya?:) How long does it usually take to paint the Starter Set figures if I paint them about an hour or two each day?

Well it really depends on a lot of factors like how fast you are at painting and how good you want them to look when you are done. I try not to spend too much time on my rank and file units. Maybe an hour or so, but on my centerpieces I will spend many hours.
Ok, cool. A few more questions:

1) Which units do you play? Do you like them?

2) Is it easier or harder than HS?

3) Do water-based acrylic paints work better/worse/the same as the Citadel paints?

4) What's the difference between Fantasy and 40k?

I play Lizardmen, Wood Elves and Empire and I like all of them. I would actually probably like playing any army. They are all so unique and have their own play style.

It is definitely a more complex game than Heroscape. I play heroscape when I want a light fast fun game and Wahammer when I want a more complex strategic larger scale battle.

Citadel paint is a waterbased acrylic paint. I use Citadel,Vallejo, Testors and PolyS. they all are slightly different and can be effective in certain applications. Citadel is a little thicker than Vallejo and testors are really bright, while the PolyS is a little chalky.

Besides the obvious Sci Fi vs. Fantasy, I would say 40K is a little simpler and luck based. The units are all skirmished and most of the game is done at range. In fantasy the movement phase is one of the most important phases as real medieval battle tactics are important. Baiting and fleeing, flanking and setting up charges. There is really a lot of strategy and less point and click unless you play a straight gun line or super magic heavy army. If you do that you can basically play 40k in Fantasy.

['Scaper94]

So would it be wise of me to buy the Skull Pass Starter Set? I don't think I want to field the Dwarves or Goblins, but would it be a good deal?

[Mooseman]

Depends if you already know someone who plays or not. Skull pass contains a rulebook, which you are obviously going to need. It also contains templates and custom scatter/artillery dice. IIRC Not every army uses them but you'll need them for those that do. If you already know someone who's got the dice and can teach you, I would just start collecting your army.

[Jormi_Boced]

Yeah, you can also probably sell the minis on ebay, so it is a decent way to get ahold of the rulebook since it cost 40 on its own, but the 40 dollar one is a nice big hardcover edition with some extra fluff and modeling stuff in the back.

[LilNewbie]

Moved to Other Miniatures Subforum.

Newb.

['Scaper94]

Yeah, you can also probably sell the minis on ebay, so it is a decent way to get ahold of the rulebook since it cost 40 on its own, but the 40 dollar one is a nice big hardcover edition with some extra fluff and modeling stuff in the back.
I know of no one who plays WH. How much do you think I could sell the minis for?

[Jormi_Boced]

I dunno, check Ebay.

['Scaper94]

Should I basecoat the figures white/black first? And add layers?

Edit: Also, should I paint each piece separately before gluing the figure together, or glue then paint?

[Anthasu1]

Should I basecoat the figures white/black first? And add layers?

Edit: Also, should I paint each piece separately before gluing the figure together, or glue then paint?

Priming the Figure make it so colors can be Darker or Brighter. Since I want a nice Dark Color Blue for my Chaos Marine's armor, I Basecoat it with a Black Spray. If I need Bright Colors, I need to layer it with Fortress Gray and Skull White first. The Army Painter also sells Colored Spray Paint, which can save a lot of time, as it basecoats it a color, allowing you to just paint the details. My friend uses the Army Painter's Red Spray on his Blood Angels, which saves him a large amount of time. This is where I get the Army Painter Spray (http://www.thewarstore.com/ArmyPainterShadeSpray.html)

As for the Painting/Gluing thing, I've seen it done both ways. For stuff like Capes (Things that will be hard to paint in entirely without getting paint on the other parts of the model), I Prime and Paint it seperately, and attach it after everything else, so I can get the entire thing painted. For everything else, I paint after Gluing.

[mad_wookiee]

Yeah, you can also probably sell the minis on ebay, so it is a decent way to get ahold of the rulebook since it cost 40 on its own, but the 40 dollar one is a nice big hardcover edition with some extra fluff and modeling stuff in the back.
I know of no one who plays WH. How much do you think I could sell the minis for?
I'd be cautious of this. If you don't enjoy the painting and modeling part then you could end up with an expensive set of paperweights. Are you confident that you'll be able to find opponents? On the other hand, the starter set does give you two armies, which is helpful if you know people who would be willing to play but don't have the figures. I bought the set for 40K so that my boys and I can at least have around 500 points in two different armies to play.

['Scaper94]

Should I basecoat the figures white/black first? And add layers?

Edit: Also, should I paint each piece separately before gluing the figure together, or glue then paint?

Priming the Figure make it so colors can be Darker or Brighter. Since I want a nice Dark Color Blue for my Chaos Marine's armor, I Basecoat it with a Black Spray. If I need Bright Colors, I need to layer it with Fortress Gray and Skull White first. The Army Painter also sells Colored Spray Paint, which can save a lot of time, as it basecoats it a color, allowing you to just paint the details. My friend uses the Army Painter's Red Spray on his Blood Angels, which saves him a large amount of time. This is where I get the Army Painter Spray (http://www.thewarstore.com/ArmyPainterShadeSpray.html)

As for the Painting/Gluing thing, I've seen it done both ways. For stuff like Capes (Things that will be hard to paint in entirely without getting paint on the other parts of the model), I Prime and Paint it seperately, and attach it after everything else, so I can get the entire thing painted. For everything else, I paint after Gluing.Thanks for the link. Does it make much noticable difference without primer?

[Jormi_Boced]

I think so. Priming makes the painting much better.

['Scaper94]

@ mad wookie: Yeah, I'm pretty sure my dad would play when he has time, and I think tuba would play with me.

@ Jormi: Aww, crap. Well, I bought some 40k stuff to use with HS (then the interest started!), and I decided to test the paint I have on them. It seems to be okay, I may post pics to see what you think.

[Mooseman]

Priming is not an absolute neccesity, it just helps. I've got unprimed models that still painted fine. I'd still recomend primer though. If you are going to paint unprimed, make sure you give everything a solid color basecoat before you start or else the paint will have trouble sticking to the model.

['Scaper94]

Priming is not an absolute neccesity, it just helps. I've got unprimed models that still painted fine. I'd still recomend primer though. If you are going to paint unprimed, make sure you give everything a solid color basecoat before you start or else the paint will have trouble sticking to the model.
So paint a few layers (acting as a look-a-like primer) before painting on other colors?

['Scaper94]

:boring: Sorry for my double post, but I'm very interested in the Empire! They look really well balanced, and very fun to play. I also like the Steam Tank, except it's kind of expensive. Anyone play the Empire?

[Jormi_Boced]

I have an empire army. They are a jack of all trades and master of none.

['Scaper94]

I have an empire army. They are a jack of all trades and master of none.
So very balanced? Are they fun? Do you have the Steam Tank?

[Jormi_Boced]

I think they are pretty fun. My current build for 2000 pt off the top of my head is something like this

Archmage lvl 4
Battle Wizard Lvl 2
Warrior Briest
Empire Captain BSB
25 Sword with 2 10 handgunner detachments
10 Flagellants
10 Flagellants
10 Knights
10 Greatswords
2 Great Cannons
1 Hellblaster

['Scaper94]

:bump: (Again.)

Can you use old figures/units (ie: 2000 and back) in tournaments these days?

[Jormi_Boced]

It depends on the figure, but pretty much all of them can be used. Some of them will maybe need a conversion or used in a counts as way.

['Scaper94]

It depends on the figure, but pretty much all of them can be used. Some of them will maybe need a conversion or used in a counts as way.
Great! That's awesome!

I bought 6 paints and the Arcane Ruins today at a FLGS. I have to paint those things before I actually get "into" the game.

[Jormi_Boced]

Sweet! Enjoy! I played quite a few games of 500 pt Warbands today.

['Scaper94]

Sweet! Enjoy! I played quite a few games of 500 pt Warbands today.
What are normal point amounts?

How well does the Steam Tank do?

[Jormi_Boced]

Sweet! Enjoy! I played quite a few games of 500 pt Warbands today.
What are normal point amounts?

How well does the Steam Tank do?

Well most tournaments are like 2000-3000. There are also 1000 and 500 pt games and such too, but the most common is probably like 2250.

I would start with around 500 and play a couple games then add another 500 and so on.

Steam Tanks are very good. A lot of points though.

['Scaper94]

Sweet! Enjoy! I played quite a few games of 500 pt Warbands today.
What are normal point amounts?

How well does the Steam Tank do?

Well most tournaments are like 2000-3000. There are also 1000 and 500 pt games and such too, but the most common is probably like 2250.

I would start with around 500 and play a couple games then add another 500 and so on.

Steam Tanks are very good. A lot of points though.
How many points does a single Tank cost?

[Jormi_Boced]

Sweet! Enjoy! I played quite a few games of 500 pt Warbands today.
What are normal point amounts?

How well does the Steam Tank do?

Well most tournaments are like 2000-3000. There are also 1000 and 500 pt games and such too, but the most common is probably like 2250.

I would start with around 500 and play a couple games then add another 500 and so on.

Steam Tanks are very good. A lot of points though.
How many points does a single Tank cost?

300, so you will need to be playing at least 1200 and it will take your full rare points at that level to take it.

['Scaper94]

How many points does a single Tank cost?

300, so you will need to be playing at least 1200 and it will take your full rare points at that level to take it.
:twisted:

Are there special rules for moving to height, such as a hill or something?

[Jormi_Boced]

Not really.

['Scaper94]

Not really.
That's good.

How well do the Orcs & Goblins do? I'm liking the Giant, I might get it soon. I also like the River Trolls. But first I would like to know if it would be a good army to get.

[Jormi_Boced]

Not really.
That's good.

How well do the Orcs & Goblins do? I'm liking the Giant, I might get it soon. I also like the River Trolls. But first I would like to know if it would be a good army to get.

Orcs and Goblins seem to be an army that either wins big or loses big, but either way they are always fun to watch.

['Scaper94]

Not really.
That's good.

How well do the Orcs & Goblins do? I'm liking the Giant, I might get it soon. I also like the River Trolls. But first I would like to know if it would be a good army to get.

Orcs and Goblins seem to be an army that either wins big or loses big, but either way they are always fun to watch.
That's awesome! Thank you for the info.

Do the rules change significantly between 7th and 8th edition?

[Jormi_Boced]

Fairly significantly. A lot more than between 6th and 7th.

[Codeman]

Do the rules change significantly between 7th and 8th edition?

Ya, I think I heard something about the son giving his dad significantly more points when they play..... in the 8th edition.

[Onacara]

Do the rules change significantly between 7th and 8th edition?

Ya, I think I heard something about the son giving his dad significantly more points when they play..... in the 8th edition.

:rofl:

[Jormi_Boced]

Do the rules change significantly between 7th and 8th edition?

Ya, I think I heard something about the son giving his dad significantly more points when they play..... in the 8th edition.

I think that is an unofficial variant, but we can probably use it.

['Scaper94]

What is the "Empire War Wagon"? Is it still an offical unit to use?

[Jormi_Boced]

What is the "Empire War Wagon"? Is it still an offical unit to use?

It isn't official anymore, Not since like the late nineties. It was pretty cool though.

['Scaper94]

Do I need the new dice/templates to be able to play correctly?

[Jormi_Boced]

If you have the book you can make a copy of the templates out of it.

Otherwise you mostly need d6s. There is an artillery and scatter die you will need if you play with things that require them.

['Scaper94]

How often do the Army Codex books change? When will the next change be?

[Jormi_Boced]

They usually drop a couple of them a year. The rumors are that Tomb Kings will be next.

['Scaper94]

They usually drop a couple of them a year. The rumors are that Tomb Kings will be next.
When will the Empire and the Orcs/Goblins Codex books be updated?

[Jormi_Boced]

It is unknown right now. They don't have a regular release schedule. The next book is rumored about the time the last one is released and then it gets officially announced like a few months before it is actually released.

['Scaper94]

Could someone explain to me what "M", "WS", "BS", "S", "T", "W", "I", "A", and "Ld" all stand for please?

[A_Train]

Movement, Weapon Skill, Ballistic Skill (range), Strength, Toughness, Wounds, Initiative, Attacks, Leadership

['Scaper94]

Movement, Weapon Skill, Ballistic Skill (range), Strength, Toughness, Wounds, Initiative, Attacks, Leadership
Thank you. But what do they mean?

[Jormi_Boced]

M - Movement
WS - Weapon Skill
BS - Ballistic Skill
S - Strength
T - Toughness
W - Wounds
I - Initiative
A - Attacks
Ld - Leadership

This can be found towards the beginning of the rulebook.

[A_Train]

I can't necessarily get it all right, I've never played warhammer.

Movement is obviously the distance your figure can move.

Weapon Skill is the number you need to roll to hit an attack, I believe.

Ballistic skill determines if you hit a ranged attack. The higher this skill, the better. I believe most humans have 3, and elves may have 4 or 5. If your BS skill is 3, you must roll a 4 to hit. If your BS skill is a 4, you must roll a 3. This goes up and down in both directions.


Strength and Toughness play off of each other when determining wounds. The higher the strength of the attack, the easier it is to wound, but a high toughness level on the defender makes it harder as well.

Wounds is how many hits the figure can take. I believe most rank and file troops have a life of 1, like squads in HS.

Initiative determines who gets to attack first in hand to hand combat. Higher is better.

Attacks is how many dice you roll when attacking. 1 dice for each attack.

Leadership, I believe affects the morale of the troops. Low leadership values mean your units may break and run more easily, or basically not respond to the commands you give, while higher leadership values mean your troops will always perform as you like.


Hope it helps, and I'm sure someone else can point out any errors I made.

['Scaper94]

Thank you for the info, I appreciate it!

What all is necessary to get for the new rulebook (8th ed.)? Do I need the WH dice and the new templates? Anything else that I'd need. I have the Empire army and the Orcs & Goblins army - do I need anything special for those units?

[Jormi_Boced]

The book has templates you can copy out of it and depending on what units you field you may not need the templates.

So you need the Rule Book and the Army books for the armies you are going to field. Then you need d6s and if you are playing warmachines you will need an artillery and scatter die.

[Elven Lord]

Warhammer is cool, but $75 fer 5 figs just doesn't suit me.

['Scaper94]

Warhammer is cool, but $75 fer 5 figs just doesn't suit me.
I've been doing eBay and Craigslist for great deals. So far I've gotten pretty fair deals.

['Scaper94]

Ok, I got some pics of my WH collection so far. Here ya go:


http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu57/American94/DSC01580.jpg

A ruined sand/stone building.
http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu57/American94/DSC01581.jpg

A hill I made out of insulation foam.
http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu57/American94/DSC01582.jpg

My favorite sculpt in my collection.
http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu57/American94/DSC01584.jpg

Great Cannons FTW!!!
http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu57/American94/DSC01585.jpg

Some orcs I painted.
http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu57/American94/DSC01586.jpg

A close-up pic.
http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu57/American94/DSC01587.jpg

The orc musician.
http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu57/American94/DSC01588.jpg

More orc archers.
http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu57/American94/DSC01589.jpg

Another close-up.
http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu57/American94/DSC01590.jpg

A Great Cannon I painted.
http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu57/American94/DSC01591.jpg

A few WIP pics.
http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu57/American94/DSC01592.jpg

http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu57/American94/DSC01593.jpg

http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu57/American94/DSC01594.jpg

[Dad_Scaper]

Nice paints! They sure didn't look like that when I boxed them up! :)

['Scaper94]

Nice paints! They sure didn't look like that when I boxed them up! :)
Thanks! I like painting this stuff!

[Jormi_Boced]

Looking good!