Einar the Weak...

[Snotwalker 8000]

OK, so with Raknar's expansion, we finally get a nice bump to Vydar's selection of big heros, which was badly needed... until Raknar, Vydar was way too squad dependent. But a new dragon and Q9 has really bumped him up.

However, Einar is still limping badly behind the other generals. Granted, Einar has some cool units (who doesn't love Guilty McCreech?) ;) , but no dragons, no powerhouses, with Valguard being showcased as his big hero.... and we all know that Valguard simply sucks... (granted, any unit can theoretically do well if played right, but come on... who here is a true Valguard fan who thinks he's a better draft than, say, Agent Carr or Drake?) And Marcus is solid, but not a stand alone hero who can go toe-to-toe with the other "big guys".

When is Einar finally going to get noticed by the designers and given a shot of steroids to bring up his competitive level? Einar needs a dragon or equivalent huge hero.. (Hannibal's War Elephant?). And perhaps a Samurai Daimyo Hero.

A fun way of drafting is to roll the dice to see which general you are allowed to draft units from. And at this time, it just hurts to roll the draft pick of an all-Einar army... he is by far the weak one compared to Vydar, Ullar, Jandar, and Utgar.

Anyway, them's my 2-cents. I love Einar's squads and potential, but until he's given "bigger guns", he's really no longer able to run with the big dogs.

SW8K

[gorillanator]

OK, so with Raknar's expansion, we finally get a nice bump to Vydar's selection of big heros, which was badly needed... until Raknar, Vydar was way too squad dependent. But a new dragon and Q9 has really bumped him up.

However, Einar is still limping badly behind the other generals. Granted, Einar has some cool units (who doesn't love Guilty McCreech?) ;) , but no dragons, no powerhouses, with Valguard being showcased as his big hero.... and we all know that Valguard simply sucks... (granted, any unit can theoretically do well if played right, but come on... who here is a true Valguard fan who thinks he's a better draft than, say, Agent Carr or Drake?) And Marcus is solid, but not a stand alone hero who can go toe-to-toe with the other "big guys".

When is Einar finally going to get noticed by the designers and given a shot of steroids to bring up his competitive level? Einar needs a dragon or equivalent huge hero.. (Hannibal's War Elephant?). And perhaps a Samurai Daimyo Hero.

A fun way of drafting is to roll the dice to see which general you are allowed to draft units from. And at this time, it just hurts to roll the draft pick of an all-Einar army... he is by far the weak one compared to Vydar, Ullar, Jandar, and Utgar.

Anyway, them's my 2-cents. I love Einar's squads and potential, but until he's given "bigger guns", he's really no longer able to run with the big dogs.

SW8K

I agree with you and I think it would be cool and good for Einar if there was a Samurai leader who was solid enough to go with the big boys.(Drake, Carr)

And he could definetly use a dragon.

[K/H_Addict]

the samurai leader could have some kind of reverse bonding with any einar samurai squad

[feekonea]

the samurai leader could have some kind of reverse bonding with any einar samurai squad

theyve got new samuri in TV. Maybe those have bonding capailities with a new guy from the next wave or sumthin.

[Snotwalker 8000]

A Samurai Hero would be fun, but the more I think about it, I would be more excited about Hannibal's War Elephant. It would fit very nicely into Einar's theme, and would provide the needed huge fig for Einar.

Possible special power could involve "Trample", with power to destroy S and M squadies...

Also could have "Tough Skin" bonus which, similar to Gorrilinato's Tough ability, provides an automatic shield when defending.

[toddrew]

Next wave (Thora's Vengeance) looks to be Einar heavy.

And, actually, as long as the point totals aren't outrageous, picking an all Einar army isn't too bad. I've played with Einar armies a lot due to my son wanting to put me at a disadvantage via that restriction :) Some range other than the Roman archers would be nice, though...

[allskulls]

Einar is good, just lacking variety. Like toddrew said, some more range would be nice. And a Kyrie squad. A Kyrie squad with range! The first flying squad with range would surely make a name for Einar. Let's see...4 move, 5 range (6 if unique), 2 attack, 2 defense (3 if unique). There is probably a custom like this out there already, but "ain't nothing like the real thing, baby."

I like the War Elephant idea! Let's keep one general without a dragon.

Would ancient Egyptian soldiers work with Einar? I'm thinking double-based chariot riders to give some speed to the army.

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

Next wave (Thora's Vengeance) looks to be Einar heavy.


Yeah, those gladiators are definitely Einar.
(I WANT MY GLADIATORS!)

But I'm hoping Jandar gets those samurai and they have counterCOUNTERstike.

Are the Tagawa the most expensive Einar units? Perhaps Einar is to be the filler/round out general?
Einar needs a dragon - heck even a cheap one.

and Yvdar needs some bonding.

[Turtleboy]

Next wave (Thora's Vengeance) looks to be Einar heavy.


Yeah, those gladiators are definitely Einar.
(I WANT MY GLADIATORS!)



Me too man, me too :)

[atmospro]

Einar is fine the way he is. The historical based unit makes his army play much differently from the other generals and variety is good. I don't want to see any Dragons or other stuff things in my Einar army. Cavalry is what the doctor ordered. As has been discussed in the passed there are many suitable types. Also Chariots would be a nice addition, Egyption, Assyrian or Roman are all good.

More importantly Einar will likely be the first to get Siege equipment. It just makes sense.

[Turtleboy]

I could see him with an Oriental type dragon. To follow the Japanese.

[toddrew]

I could see him with an Oriental type dragon. To follow the Japanese.

If for no other reason, I would love the sculpt :)

But I'd rather see some calvary or the intriguing Hannibal units first.

[quixotequest]

I could see him with an Oriental type dragon. To follow the Japanese.

You'll have to give me a critique of my new custom Tatsukaze, a dragon-riding samurai leader. Here's the link. (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=684&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=27)

Once Valguard was released, in my opinion the strict historical nature of Einar units was broken.

[allskulls]

I could see him with an Oriental type dragon. To follow the Japanese.

You'll have to give me a critique of my new custom Tasukaze, a dragon-riding samurai leader. Here's the link. (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=684&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=27)

Once Valguard was released, in my opinion the strict historical nature of Einar units was broken.
Tatsukase is nice, Q!

[toddrew]

You'll have to give me a critique of my new custom Tatsukaze, a dragon-riding samurai leader. Here's the link. (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=684&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=27)

Once Valguard was released, in my opinion the strict historical nature of Einar units was broken.

"The Battle of All Time" certainly does lead to some interesting juxtapostions and mutations.

Initial thought of dragon riding samurai: That would help Einar out :) I'll repost this in that thread, but that figure seems pretty well balanced, though in play that bonding might prove a little too powerful at 150 points - mitigated by weak attack numbers (though again, in practice that 'fly-by' attack may be more powerful than at first glance, esp. coupled with Taelord's "flying disengage" :) ), and low (for a dragon) life.

[Turtleboy]

I could see him with an Oriental type dragon. To follow the Japanese.

You'll have to give me a critique of my new custom Tatsukaze, a dragon-riding samurai leader. Here's the link. (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=684&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=27)

Once Valguard was released, in my opinion the strict historical nature of Einar units was broken.

Why i did see this custom, and i really liked it i was thinking more of a giant Lion Dragon style.

Your custom is nice however, once I get some glue im going to make the samurai as a stand alone hero.

[quixotequest]

Why i did see this custom, and i really liked it i was thinking more of a giant Lion Dragon style.

Your custom is nice however, once I get some glue im going to make the samurai as a stand alone hero.

I agree--A "lion dragon" would be VERY cool. There is a little diversity in the look of Oriental dragons. All are very serpentine, but the head shapes vary a bit. Some are wolf-like. Some horse-like. The Mage Knight "sky dragon" is the most Oriental-like I've found that is easy to acquire and inexpensive. But I do like the Chinese-style "lion-headed" dragon idea better.

Hopefully I took enough shots of the Samurai fig that should you choose to make one you can figure out what came from where. It's pretty easy to do if you have Superglue and are comfortable with Exacto blades. LMK if you need closer shots of the fig and shots of pieces left over. . .

[reapersaurus]

While an official Einar-boost would be nice, until then there already has been a War Elephant that was pretty good. I'll have to check my files at home and see if it was Einar.

I have a Chariot that will be Einar coming soon I think everyone will like.

[quixotequest]

While an official Einar-boost would be nice, until then there already has been a War Elephant that was pretty good. I'll have to check my files at home and see if it was Einar.

I have a Chariot that will be Einar coming soon I think everyone will like.

Would love to see the chariot. What mini will you be using? All I've found are those huge Mage chariots.

I also don't remember seeing a war elephant besides that huge LOTR Oliphaunt (sorry don't remember the creator).

[reapersaurus]

While an official Einar-boost would be nice, until then there already has been a War Elephant that was pretty good. I'll have to check my files at home and see if it was Einar.

I have a Chariot that will be Einar coming soon I think everyone will like.

Would love to see the chariot. What mini will you be using? All I've found are those huge Mage chariots.

I also don't remember seeing a war elephant besides that huge LOTR Oliphaunt (sorry don't remember the creator).:lol:
you're lookin' at him. :)

I cemented the Mount/Dismount mechanic for the Oliphaunt, and use it on the Chariot.
It is the Mage Knight Immortal Chariot - it barely fits on 2 hexes, with it's base off.

[quixotequest]

I could see him with an Oriental type dragon. To follow the Japanese.

You'll have to give me a critique of my new custom Tasukaze, a dragon-riding samurai leader. Here's the link. (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=684&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=27)

Once Valguard was released, in my opinion the strict historical nature of Einar units was broken.
Tatsukase is nice, Q!

Thanks!

[quixotequest]

:lol:
you're lookin' at him. :)

I cemented the Mount/Dismount mechanic for the Oliphaunt, and use it on the Chariot.
It is the Mage Knight Immortal Chariot - it barely fits on 2 hexes, with it's base off.

Well ya gotta respect someone who toots their own horn :) At least according to The Trump. :lol:

But seriously, the Immortal Charger will fit on an HS double base? It looked too big in the pictures--though i've never compared side to side.

[Fallen Templar]

War Elephants, I want a Civil War Based Cannon maybe a confederate load team

[spacemonkeymafia]

I want a Civil War Based Cannon maybe a confederate load team

Now THAT would be awesome. I've been wanting to see the ol' cannon from battlemasters brought back out. (i remember alot of discussion about using that figure back on .net and don't remember if anyone really polished it up though)

The two main things I'm looking for Einar-wise is a Samurai Hero (anytime now Hasbro anytime) and definitely an Oriental style dragon- I actually prefer the "wolf" faced ones but I'm sure they can come up with a better sculpt than I can. The Kyrie can wait- I still need my asian fix. If its kyrie that needs to come out- send it vydars way.

[Buddy Lee]

War Elephants. . .

I think Elephants are the natural Einar huge hero unit. Maybe even bond with some Carthagians.

Buddy Lee

[RichardD]

Lots of us have mentioned War Elephants as being ideal as a large monster for Einar - but what do you think the chances are that Hasbro-have heard us, or agree?

[shakey_snake]

Not as good as the chances that they already have a large hero for eniar in production.

[gorillanator]

I would hope that Thora's Vengeance is Einar positive.

[Jandars_Hope]

I hope so too...but with alot of soulborgs, maybe not?! hopefully the gladiators/amazons will be!

[Yautjahunter]

Einer focuses on ancient warriors-romans, greeks, samurai. once ya think about it you cant think of many big and bad ancient dudes, but maybe pirates or voodoo guys with a curse ability like the marro plague or something. dont know we'll have to wait :wink:

[jcb231]

Einar focuses on that because that's what we've seen so far....we know that Einar is a kyrie, so I think it safe to assume that Einar's army also has Kyrie Warriors of some sort. Once you take that step, it's not too much of a stretch to assume that noble warriors from other planets and times are in his army too. Valguard has a lizard-man's arm...that could mean that Einar has Lizard-people in his forces.

I think there are lots of fantastical creatures and units that would fit Einar's style....to name a few:

-large clockwork soulborgs....steam-powered colossi that look like they were dug up from ancient ruins

-minotaur warriors...powerful, hulking fighters...not evil enough for Utgar...

-intelligent or tame dragons...perhaps with riders

-Raptorians...I'd love to see this bird-like Marr faction go to Einar....every other general is snatching up a Marrtian, why should Einar be left in the cold?

-Dreadguls...they could be historical viking-types, or they could have more magical elements like Valguard's crazy lizard arm.

[reapersaurus]

:lol:
you're lookin' at him. :)

I cemented the Mount/Dismount mechanic for the Oliphaunt, and use it on the Chariot.
It is the Mage Knight Immortal Chariot - it barely fits on 2 hexes, with it's base off.

Well ya gotta respect someone who toots their own horn :) At least according to The Trump. :lol:

But seriously, the Immortal Charger will fit on an HS double base? It looked too big in the pictures--though i've never compared side to side.I always feel it is important to dispense information about previous customs to HS fans at large, since many people don;t know what goes on with customs, but they may be interested. I doubt if many people on HSers even saw the War Elephant, and I don;t have it on my HD. :(

Yeah, the Kingths immortal Charger will fit on 2 hexes, with it cut off its base, and it will bleed over a tiny bit into the front hex and side hexes.

[Turtleboy]

Einar focuses on that because that's what we've seen so far....we know that Einar is a kyrie, so I think it safe to assume that Einar's army also has Kyrie Warriors of some sort. Once you take that step, it's not too much of a stretch to assume that noble warriors from other planets and times are in his army too. Valguard has a lizard-man's arm...that could mean that Einar has Lizard-people in his forces.

I think there are lots of fantastical creatures and units that would fit Einar's style....to name a few:

-large clockwork soulborgs....steam-powered colossi that look like they were dug up from ancient ruins

-minotaur warriors...powerful, hulking fighters...not evil enough for Utgar...

-intelligent or tame dragons...perhaps with riders

-Raptorians...I'd love to see this bird-like Marr faction go to Einar....every other general is snatching up a Marrtian, why should Einar be left in the cold?

-Dreadguls...they could be historical viking-types, or they could have more magical elements like Valguard's crazy lizard arm.

Why some of this i do agree with, i belive Einar will switch to "good" pretty soon. The fact that the Proud fighters, ones who go for their honor will soon see Utgar isnt to freindly.

So that only takes out your Raptorians suggestion.

[jcb231]

:lol:
you're lookin' at him. :)

I cemented the Mount/Dismount mechanic for the Oliphaunt, and use it on the Chariot.
It is the Mage Knight Immortal Chariot - it barely fits on 2 hexes, with it's base off.

Well ya gotta respect someone who toots their own horn :) At least according to The Trump. :lol:

But seriously, the Immortal Charger will fit on an HS double base? It looked too big in the pictures--though i've never compared side to side.I always feel it is important to dispense information about previous customs to HS fans at large, since many people don;t know what goes on with customs, but they may be interested. I doubt if many people on HSers even saw the War Elephant, and I don;t have it on my HD. :(

Yeah, the Kingths immortal Charger will fit on 2 hexes, with it cut off its base, and it will bleed over a tiny bit into the front hex and side hexes.

I thought your Elephant was in your thread?

[jcb231]

Einar focuses on that because that's what we've seen so far....we know that Einar is a kyrie, so I think it safe to assume that Einar's army also has Kyrie Warriors of some sort. Once you take that step, it's not too much of a stretch to assume that noble warriors from other planets and times are in his army too. Valguard has a lizard-man's arm...that could mean that Einar has Lizard-people in his forces.

I think there are lots of fantastical creatures and units that would fit Einar's style....to name a few:

-large clockwork soulborgs....steam-powered colossi that look like they were dug up from ancient ruins

-minotaur warriors...powerful, hulking fighters...not evil enough for Utgar...

-intelligent or tame dragons...perhaps with riders

-Raptorians...I'd love to see this bird-like Marr faction go to Einar....every other general is snatching up a Marrtian, why should Einar be left in the cold?

-Dreadguls...they could be historical viking-types, or they could have more magical elements like Valguard's crazy lizard arm.

Why some of this i do agree with, i belive Einar will switch to "good" pretty soon. The fact that the Proud fighters, ones who go for their honor will soon see Utgar isnt to freindly.

So that only takes out your Raptorians suggestion.

I think Einar is already "Good" in its own way. They have some slightly evil things like Dreadguls, but by and large I don't think they are into outright destruction. I think they are into conquest and military strength and tradition. They view the goal as noble. At least that's how I view them.

Raptorians wouldn't have to be outright evil, like Utgar. They could simply be conquerers that controlled the Venocs until they rebelled....much like the Romans controlled various civilizations, or the Samurai, or so on.

[DJ Ducki]

I would think that if they had a large war elephant, it would have a special carry ability to carry multiple figures and to place the figures carried by it on top of the castle in a Seige situation or on very high ground in others.

Also, the samurai general idea, probably a stand alone one that has a special speed attack or movement ability (think Iaijutsu, the art of drawing and attacking with a solid motion) and that rallies the samurai with an aura of some sort, as well as a bonding ability (unless the TV samurai have a bonding).

Samurai Cavalry Archers is also a thoughtful idea xP

[Yautjahunter]

I dont like Einer, his units are basically from the same time, arent exciting, from earth only, plus his "army" has no dragon yet, just a bunch of guys from the BC time-period and we know a roman with a wood shield and sword is no match for a guy with a big gun or a robot. :roll: so why bother with them.

Ullar is in the same position but he has Jotun so I like him.

[reapersaurus]

I thought your Elephant was in your thread?My Oliphaunt is in my thread.
It actually does allow figures to Mount it, will carry them, and allow them to jump onto high areas such as Castle walls and cliff tops, etc.

I am referring to the War Elephant that was made by someone else (I don't know who :mad: ) for the same Army Contest I made my Oliphaunt army for. It also allowed 2 figures to ride on its back, and had 2 heroes made for it.
It seems more like what people have been mentioning in this thread.

Where the heck are those, and who made them? :?:

[jcb231]

I dont like Einer, his units are basically from the same time, arent exciting, from earth only, plus his "army" has no dragon yet, just a bunch of guys from the BC time-period and we know a roman with a wood shield and sword is no match for a guy with a big gun or a robot. :roll: so why bother with them.

Ullar is in the same position but he has Jotun so I like him.

Actually, only the Greeks are strictly from BC....the Romans are from both BC and AD depending on exactly what period they are supposed to represent, and the Samurai and Cowboy are from the fairly recent AD....Samurai could be as recent as the late 1800s, ditto for Guilty. Valguard is likely supposed to be from the Middle Ages...AD.

Plus Romans often carried metal shields, as did the Greeks.

[jaques]

Just for kicks, I took all my Einar cards and totalled them up. It came to 770 points, I think. I then took my Vydar cards and built a 770-point army starting with Braxas and Major Q9.

TAGURA SAMURAI
IZUMI SAMURAI
GUILTY MCCREECH
2xROMAN ARCHERS
2xROMAN LEGIONNAIRES
MARCUS
PARMENIO
1xSACRED BAND
VALGUARD

versus

BRAXUS
MAJOR Q9
2xGLADIATRONS
2xMICROCORP AGENTS

I haven't had a chance to actually play the battle, but I can't for the life of me see how Einar could win.

So I took my "leftover" Vydar cards and built an army out of those:

DUND
KRAV MAGA AGENTS
SUDEMA
MAJOR X17
2xGORILLINATORS
AGENT CARR

Frankly, unless you're playing on a pretty small board, even this leftover army ought to do really well against the Einar one, given halfway decent maneuvering and statistically normal rolls. You just run your Gorillinators out to fire on the Einar units and keep falling back without ever letting Einar close to adjacency. Guilty and the Roman Archers will have a hard time getting past the Gorillinators' extra shield.

Of course, the sheer number of Einar units on the field is daunting, but I'm eager to try it out and see if there's something else I'm missing.

[Turtleboy]

Well Jaque, not to sound mean but your putting a heavly sqaud based general up agasint a crowd control general.

Its not gonna be fair at all, even if you were to use 770 points of someone elses squads /small heros.

[Drumline3469]

Okay I read a bio of Einar. I can't find it to give oyu a direct quote but it says something like Einar hasn't mastered the art of summoning and for some reason summoning from earth is the easiest thing to do so that's all he has learned to do. From this I think we cann assume that as time progresses he will get better at summoning and thus be able to summon anyone and thus breaking the "ancient earth" theme.

[jcb231]

So, any idea at all where you found this elusive bio? I've never heard of this.....

[markwars]

It's sounds maddeningly familiar to me....I'm digging through my stuff now...

EDIT:

Found it! It's from Thormun's Journal, Chapter 1 Entry 2. It reads:

Jandar also spoke of other Valkyrie, others who had drunk from the wellsprings. Rumors are of a Valkyrie in the east named Ullar. It is unclear whether he is Jandar’s ally, Utgar’s ally, or serves his own purpose. Jandar is sending emissaries to meet with Ullar and two others who have made their presence known. These other Valkyrie have not mastered the difficulties of summoning armies and, as of now, their forces are small. But soon they too will learn to control the visions and the war will only get worse. I hope their hearts are pure.

[Snotwalker 8000]

Difficulties with summoning... interesting. Makes sense... but does that then mean that Einar is a little "on the slow side" compared to Vydar?

Come on Einar!! READ A BOOK, ya high school flunkie!!!

[Drumline3469]

Thanks MW I was just getting ready to post that. I hope Einar can figure it out soon though. I bet he gets made fun of at valkyrie general meetings.

[markwars]

Or maybe he's passed out in the corner drunk?

[Drumline3469]

Drunk because he's worthless? jk he has some good units. He's a good bonding general and I hope they give him alot more bonding when he learns to summon.

[jcb231]

Just for kicks, I took all my Einar cards and totalled them up. It came to 770 points, I think. I then took my Vydar cards and built a 770-point army starting with Braxas and Major Q9.

TAGURA SAMURAI
IZUMI SAMURAI
GUILTY MCCREECH
2xROMAN ARCHERS
2xROMAN LEGIONNAIRES
MARCUS
PARMENIO
1xSACRED BAND
VALGUARD

versus

BRAXUS
MAJOR Q9
2xGLADIATRONS
2xMICROCORP AGENTS

I haven't had a chance to actually play the battle, but I can't for the life of me see how Einar could win.

So I took my "leftover" Vydar cards and built an army out of those:

DUND
KRAV MAGA AGENTS
SUDEMA
MAJOR X17
2xGORILLINATORS
AGENT CARR

Frankly, unless you're playing on a pretty small board, even this leftover army ought to do really well against the Einar one, given halfway decent maneuvering and statistically normal rolls. You just run your Gorillinators out to fire on the Einar units and keep falling back without ever letting Einar close to adjacency. Guilty and the Roman Archers will have a hard time getting past the Gorillinators' extra shield.

Of course, the sheer number of Einar units on the field is daunting, but I'm eager to try it out and see if there's something else I'm missing.

Well, I think the Einar force you put together was pretty bad. Just using all of Einar's guys at once has fairly minimal synergy. Guilty, Izumi, Roman Archers, and Tagawa don't boost or benefit from anyone else in that force, and your mix of commons could have been better.

I also agree with the poster that said that Vydar is a great anti-horde general. Einar stacks up pretty well against Ullar or Jandar I think, sometimes well against Utgar. Einar's chief weakness, I think, is his lack of lots of range. A smaller weakness is his inability to swat down hordes well, making him ineffective against an all viper or all orc force.

I think Einar works very well in melee-only games. He also works well in straight up brawls, where your opponent isn't trying to swarm you with little guys or gun you down from afar. If your opponent is simply rushing you with a mix of troops, Einar can defend fairly well.

I think Einar needs some more archers, and perhaps some more ranged cowboys, maybe even some ranged pirates. A few heavy hitters would help round out his army too. One of those heavy hitters should have some sort of multi-attack anti-swarm ability to make him feel complete.

I like Einar though...I have fielded a lot of Einar-heavy armies in my time, and done well with them.

A recent favorite is Marcus, Roman Legion x5, Valguard, Tarns, 4th Mass X4, Taelord, Raelin, and Me-Burq-Sa for a nice 1200 point force.

For smaller armies, I have gone with the following, and have won with all of them:

300 points
Marcus
Roman Legion X3
Me-Burq-Sa

OR

300 points
Tarns
Valguard
Guilty McCreech
Roman Legion X2

500 points
Marcus
Roman Legion X2
Me-Burq-Sa
Venoc Warlord
Venoc Vipers X3

OR

500 points
Marcus
Roman Legion X3
Me-Burq-Sa
Parmenio
Sacred Band X2

700points
Marcus
Roman Legion X2
Me-Burq-Sa
Venoc Warlord
Venoc Vipers X3
4th Mass X3

[jimmypage222]

I'm not sure Einar sucks in all cases.

[jaques]

Just for kicks, I took all my Einar cards and totalled them up. It came to 770 points, I think. I then took my Vydar cards and built a 770-point army starting with Braxas and Major Q9.

(snip)

Of course, the sheer number of Einar units on the field is daunting, but I'm eager to try it out and see if there's something else I'm missing.

Well, I think the Einar force you put together was pretty bad. Just using all of Einar's guys at once has fairly minimal synergy. Guilty, Izumi, Roman Archers, and Tagawa don't boost or benefit from anyone else in that force, and your mix of commons could have been better.

I also agree with the poster that said that Vydar is a great anti-horde general. Einar stacks up pretty well against Ullar or Jandar I think, sometimes well against Utgar. Einar's chief weakness, I think, is his lack of lots of range. A smaller weakness is his inability to swat down hordes well, making him ineffective against an all viper or all orc force.

I think Einar works very well in melee-only games. He also works well in straight up brawls, where your opponent isn't trying to swarm you with little guys or gun you down from afar. If your opponent is simply rushing you with a mix of troops, Einar can defend fairly well.

I think Einar needs some more archers, and perhaps some more ranged cowboys, maybe even some ranged pirates. A few heavy hitters would help round out his army too. One of those heavy hitters should have some sort of multi-attack anti-swarm ability to make him feel complete.

I like Einar though...I have fielded a lot of Einar-heavy armies in my time, and done well with them.

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I agree that it was pretty bad. That was sort of the point of my post. I really enjoy a lot of the Einar units, but with the exception of Marcus and Parmenio, they simply don't synergize with each other. Of course, that makes logical sense, given their wildly different historical backgrounds. But it does seem that if you're trying to play General vs. General, Einar's forces find themselves on the short end of the game-balance stick.

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Einar needs a Ranged squad with a 8 movement - Like a union or confederate mounted troops with a "Sabre Charge" in addition to hand gun they carried. Knights with a Lance would be nice, but again it is a base to base attack or at most a range of 2 (due to the length of the lance)

as for Heroes, Napoleonics, American Civil war, even WWI people could be used without changing the Historical part to much after all one of his heroes is a cowboy