Marvel Expansion figures at Comic Con

[Roweiser]

10 new figures on display, possibly all in the same pack: Sandman, Thing, Human Torch, Doc Ock, Punisher (with white marker), Super Skrull, Invisible Woman, Bullseye, Beast, and Black Panther

[Grungebob]

Wow!! Cool! Did you see the cards?

[IAmBatman]

Hmm ... if they're using the hero/villain set up, then they must be having Black Panther as a villain.
It sounds an awful lot like another Masterset as an expansion, though, with the 10 figures.
The breakdown would probably be ...
Thing Sandman
Beast Black Panther
Punisher Bullseye
Human Torch Doc Ock
Invisible Woman Super Skrull

(the last two I'm less sure on).

[ninthdoc]

:shock:

BRING IT!

[Taeblewalker]

I wonder if Reed is the gencon freebie?

[netherspirit]

I wonder if Reed is the gencon freebie?

It'll be the same one as the Comic-Con freebie, which is the monk.

[IAmBatman]

I wonder if Reed is the gencon freebie?

I don't forsee a departure from the repaint convention they've set up.

[hextr1p]

EVEN MORE NEWS!!!

DOES IT EVER STOP!??!

So it sounds like the new Marvel figures were only on display out of package?

[Firemaster]

Hmm ... if they're using the hero/villain set up, then they must be having Black Panther as a villain.
It sounds an awful lot like another Masterset as an expansion, though, with the 10 figures.
The breakdown would probably be ...
Thing Sandman
Beast Black Panther
Punisher Bullseye
Human Torch Doc Ock
Invisible Woman Super Skrull

(the last two I'm less sure on).

Punisher could also be the villain. He's not quite a complete good guy. Here's my thoughts on the match ups.

Thing/Super Skrull
Human Torch/Sandman
Invisible Woman/Doc Ock
Beast/Punisher
Black Panther/Bullseye

[IAmBatman]

Hmm ... if they're using the hero/villain set up, then they must be having Black Panther as a villain.
It sounds an awful lot like another Masterset as an expansion, though, with the 10 figures.
The breakdown would probably be ...
Thing Sandman
Beast Black Panther
Punisher Bullseye
Human Torch Doc Ock
Invisible Woman Super Skrull

(the last two I'm less sure on).

Punisher could also be the villain. He's not quite a complete good guy. Here's my thoughts on the match ups.

Thing/Super Skrull
Human Torch/Sandman
Invisible Woman/Doc Ock
Beast/Punisher
Black Panther/Bullseye

I had the same initial thought about Punisher - but then I thought about how well he'd match up with Bullseye and I changed my mind midpost ... :P

[NecroBlade]

Stop it...just...stop... :passout:


If they are all in the same pack, hopefully there will be a bunch of terrain, too.

[IAmBatman]

Looks like new releases will be the same sorts of hodgepodges the initial one was. I mean, that one looks like it will be Fantastic Four Heavy, but it will also have Marvel Knights, X-Men, and Spidey villains all with representation. And a Daredevil villain to boot (though it seems strange to get him before Daredevil).

[Havokscry]

I'm just not impressed with the expansion choices. I think they lined the master set too heavily with powerhouses that these seem to be a little blah. Just not too impressed with the movie villain line. Sandman, Doc Ock, and Bullseye aren't really top of the line villains. I don't know, maybe I was hoping for Thor, comic Green Goblin, Daredevil, Ms. Marvel, She-Hulk, and many more that my brain can't think of. It's almost like they're trying to push as many characters that appeared in the movies as possible. blah.

[IAmBatman]

I'm sure they'll get to all the characters you mentioned soon enough.

[Roweiser]

No cards, just the figs in the case. I was too busy pinching a loaf in my pants to remember what was on the card or get a good shot of it, but it was something to the extent of "the enforcements arrive"

[Firemaster]

So, any word on when these are going to be released? I'm going to guess October, along side the other 'Scaoe stuff.

[IAmBatman]

Might take longer than that, since the initial Marvel set is just now coming out.
If they have figures made already, though, we might see them by Christmas.

[Sherman Davies]

The Fantastic Three?

That's... unexpected. Since this set seems to be movie-influenced, I can't imagine why they would leave Mr. Fantastic out, since it's not like he has any less visibility to the mainstream than his teammates. I'm confused.

[IAmBatman]

The Fantastic Three?

That's... unexpected. Since this set seems to be movie-influenced, I can't imagine why they would leave Mr. Fantastic out, since it's not like he has any less visibility to the mainstream than his teammates. I'm confused.

Same reason we haven't seen Wolverine yet. Same reason they had Doom and Silver Surfer in the first set, but no Fantastic Four figures at all. They want to leave us wanting something.

[Sherman Davies]

The Fantastic Three?

That's... unexpected. Since this set seems to be movie-influenced, I can't imagine why they would leave Mr. Fantastic out, since it's not like he has any less visibility to the mainstream than his teammates. I'm confused.

Same reason we haven't seen Wolverine yet. Same reason they had Doom and Silver Surfer in the first set, but no Fantastic Four figures at all. They want to leave us wanting something.

Sure, but there're so many more characters for us to anticipate that splitting up a team like the FF seems unnecessary. It's not a huge deal, it'll just seem strange to not be able to play the full team until Reed comes out.

[IAmBatman]

I don't disagree - hopefully they won't make us wait for him long.

[Agent Minivann]

This is too much. I don't think I can handle this information overload. My head a splode.

I can see why they chose these guys. All of them have been in a Marvel Movie with the exception of Super Skrull and Black Panther. There is some mass market familiarity with the others. Sure the fans will be wanting some others, but there is still something to get excited about with future expansions.

Time to sell a kidney to support my Heroscape habit.

[Nwojedi]

you sure there wasn't 7 figures there and you just assumed the invisable woman was there?

[allskulls]

I'm glad I stayed I put the FF low on my list of customs to do :wink:

With no cards or packaging displayed, who's to say that this is a single set or that all in the next wave are actually in the display? I suggested earlier that they would do big packs like this with terrain for expansions but the 10 mentioned could be for 2 separate expansions or 3 expansions with 4 figures each...Daredevil and Mr. Fantastic to be revealed later :wink:

[ProSpecT]

Seems like they are putting Marvel character names in a hat and drawing them out. Quite an easy technique, except we are being left without a complete Fantastic 4. Teh sucky...

[allskulls]

I am glad Sandman is in the number. The Hero Clix sculpt is really weak.

[ProSpecT]

I am glad Sandman is in the number. The Hero Clix sculpt is really weak.

I partially agree. I liked the hammer hand and the big hand. I didn't like the sand on the bottom. If they keep things up, IMO most MS sculpts will out do the Heroclix sculpts.

[allskulls]

I am glad Sandman is in the number. The Hero Clix sculpt is really weak.

I partially agree. I liked the hammer hand and the big hand. I didn't like the sand on the bottom. If they keep things up, IMO most MS sculpts will out do the Heroclix sculpts.
I have the Sandman in my hand now (was going to rebase him for a custom) and yes, the hands are cool but he is on the skinny side...he does not look tough at all.

I do have to admit, a lot of the newer Clix are really cool. I just wish they stayed consistant with the scale they use. A lot of the figures don't match up correctly in regards to size.

[Turtleboy]

Im happy to see this. After this wave, all i will need is Deadpool and Carnage, and i'll have my crack team of Supers. Hasbro is really re-sparking my heroscapeness with Marvelscape.

[Talos]

*Doing the Snoopy dance here* The FF before an X-Men set, way cool!!!

The sculpts look really great. I love the Super Skrull. We can probably assume that Reed is in the set too and they are just keeping him on the QT, much like the Silver Surfer.

I just hope they don't do Franklin or that wretched little R2-D2 wannabe robot (Herbie, wasn't it?) I like my Fantastic Four in the classic style, thanks very much.

[johnny139]

Wait wait wait wait wait.

Bullseye, but no Daredevil? PAH!

(Sad that this is my first Comic-Con related post, huh? BACK TO THE JUNGLE!)

[markwars]

The good news just doesn't stop today. :D

[Sherman Davies]

*Doing the Snoopy dance here* The FF before an X-Men set, way cool!!!

The sculpts look really great. I love the Super Skrull. We can probably assume that Reed is in the set too and they are just keeping him on the QT, much like the Silver Surfer.

I just hope they don't do Franklin or that wretched little R2-D2 wannabe robot (Herbie, wasn't it?) I like my Fantastic Four in the classic style, thanks very much.

Yeah, it depends on how this expansion will be sold, as a wave of boosters or a large set. If it's the former, I can see them leaving a few figures out (perhaps they haven't figured Reed Richards out yet). If it's the latter, we're not getting Reed in it, since I can't see an expansion coming with more figs than the core game.

[Logrey]

I didn't see it here, but according to the picture from BGG, the price is set at $12.99 (available in December) What isn't mentioned is whether that's for *all* the figures, or if they'll ship in packs of 2, 3, etc. I *really* hope they treat this as a normal expansion and not as speciality expansions, like the Flagbearers.

[ej]

Put my prediction down as 2 packs of 5, $12.99 each.

How does their MSRP of $12.99 compare to their MSRP of regular scape expansions?

The reason I'm asking is, if they suggest $12.99 for the regular expansions, then that gives me a good idea of how much the stores are going to adjust their prices.

[Sherman Davies]

I didn't see it here, but according to the picture from BGG, the price is set at $12.99 (available in December) What isn't mentioned is whether that's for *all* the figures, or if they'll ship in packs of 2, 3, etc. I *really* hope they treat this as a normal expansion and not as speciality expansions, like the Flagbearers.

Heh, $12.99 for the entire set is probably too much to hope for, so if BGG is correct it sounds like it'll be sold as 4 boosters. However, I'll gladly eat these words if it's $12.99 for the set of 10 figs. I think that would give Heroscape another advantage over Heroclix - value.

[Sherman Davies]

Put my prediction down as 2 packs of 5, $12.99 each.

How does their MSRP of $12.99 compare to their MSRP of regular scape expansions?

The MSRP of a Heroscape booster is $12.99. I try never to pay that, but there it is.

[Logrey]

Put my prediction down as 2 packs of 5, $12.99 each.

How does their MSRP of $12.99 compare to their MSRP of regular scape expansions?

That would be perfect for me. Packs of 2 or 3, on the other hand, would make me cry...

[jcb231]

10 new figures on display, possibly all in the same pack: Sandman, Thing, Human Torch, Doc Ock, Punisher (with white marker), Super Skrull, Invisible Woman, Bullseye, Beast, and Black Panther

Very cool lineup....I'm a bit shocked that there is no Mister Fantastic!

Although I shouldn't be too shocked....I did have my concerns that Hasbro would somehow mess up the Fantastic Four by not making all four of them. :-P

The others sound awesome. I wonder if they are selling them as one large pack or in two sets of 5.


Did anyone get pictures of these? We have pics of everything else....

[CupidsArt]

I'll throw in my two cents on a packing theory. I picture 2 packs of 5 similar to what we have with Classic HS.
I doubt Doc will be packed with Thing just for size. I believe they will pack together those Supers that change their Physical Being with a power, and pack together those that use a skills or weapons in another pack.


Marvel Collection 1 pack a
Thing
Human Torch
Invisible Woman
Super Skrull
Sandman


Marvel Collection 1 pack b
Bullseye
Punisher
Doc Ock
Beast
Black Panther

[1moreheroscaper]

Maybe when BGG is relaying that the expansion will be in 4 packs, perhaps this is how the stores will receive them 4 packs--2 of each containing 5 figures each.

[ej]

Maybe when BGG is relaying that the expansion will be in 4 packs, perhaps this is how the stores will receive them 4 packs--2 of each containing 5 figures each.

Q4YSG*

(Quoted for Yeah, Sounds Good.)

[jcb231]

Maybe when BGG is relaying that the expansion will be in 4 packs, perhaps this is how the stores will receive them 4 packs--2 of each containing 5 figures each.

Q4YSG*

(Quoted for Yeah, Sounds Good.)

BGG is made by fans, like Wikipedia. It's info can be slightly off sometimes, especially in the heady early days of info meltdown.

[HyperactiveSloth]

I'm gonna throw my hat into the ring by saying I think they'll probably be 3 packs of 4 figs, with 2 figs not shown yet, just like someone else already said. After all, Daredevil and Reed would round out the set nicely, no? :D

[Doc_Savage]

I find it impossible to believe that the basic HS philosophy of buy just what you want to play will be any different with the expansions. I will ask Craig at the con and see if I can get an answer no matter how vague.

Here is my guess -

4 packs of 4 figures (gotta pay Marvel...)

Fantastic Four
Mr. Fantastic
Thing
Human Torch
Invisible Woman


Villians
Super Skrull
Sandman
Doc Ock
Bullseye


Heroes
Punisher
Black Panther
Daredevil
?

X-men
Beast
?
?
?

Or beast could be with heroes and there are 4 more villians we don't see yet...

[IAmBatman]

I'll throw in my two cents on a packing theory. I picture 2 packs of 5 similar to what we have with Classic HS.
I doubt Doc will be packed with Thing just for size. I believe they will pack together those Supers that change their Physical Being with a power, and pack together those that use a skills or weapons in another pack.


Marvel Collection 1 pack a
Thing
Human Torch
Invisible Woman
Super Skrull
Sandman


Marvel Collection 1 pack b
Bullseye
Punisher
Doc Ock
Beast
Black Panther

/cosign

[Annerios]

Just some larger images of the figures to show the details:

http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/albums/userpics/Human_Torch.png

http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/albums/userpics/Thing.png

http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/albums/userpics/Invisible_Woman.png

http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/albums/userpics/Super_Skrull.png

http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/albums/userpics/Sandman.png

http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/albums/userpics/Bullseye.png

http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/albums/userpics/Black_Panther.png

http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/albums/userpics/Punisher.png

http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/albums/userpics/Doc_Oc.png

http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/albums/userpics/Beast.png

[Cavalier]

:drool: My kids are gonna freak when I show them these tonight. My 5 year old was mad when he didn't get The Thing in the Marvel Master Set.

Of course, when they find out they have to wait, they'll be a bit disappointed :wink:

[Sweetcurse]

I can almost hear Torch screaming

"SHOOORRYYUUUKEEENN!!!!!!"

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h295/Truesweetcurse/sf02d_big.jpg

[Sweetcurse]

jacob_j_p wrote:
Sweet, The Thing and everyone but Mr. Fantastic. I hope that you can play the entire team as a nice round number point cost, even though with MS costs it'll probably be about 1000 pts.

ej wrote:
I'm banking on some of these figures to be significantly lower in cost. Black Panther and Bullseye especially, maybe even Invisible Woman.

Ej, Sue Storm is considered one of the most powerful superheroes in the Marvel universe, she just typically chooses to hold back her power. Track down the issue where She-Hulk and someone else threaten her children...it's not pretty what she does to them. Spidey remarks something along the lines of "never get that woman mad at me" or something like that.

Also, I agree that the Torch's hairdo is quite 70's Show. I love The Thing's sculpt, very cool action pose. Too bad his baby blues are hidden. most of the other guys suffer from the same picture pose effect from the main set.

[Wytefang]

Too bad about the Beast (lame character with blah powers). I dearly hope they work their magic on him and make him fun to play at least.

[ej]

Beast is the only figure I'm slightly disappointed with... but that's really just because of his "Are we going to The Ram tonight, or should we stick with the Blue Oyster Bar?" attire.

[IAmBatman]

Too bad about the Beast (lame character with blah powers). His powers might not be the most exciting ever, but I disagree with him being a lame character.

[Cavalier]

Too bad about the Beast (lame character with blah powers). His powers might not be the most exciting ever, but I disagree with him being a lame character.
Agreed; I've always like the Beast

[JIrish780]

Okay, going over the whole lot...

Color me disappointed most with the Human Torch. Why couldn't he have been in full "Flame on!" mode? Instead we get Johnny looking... older than he should. It's the hair, really. Still, the flames look nice.

The Thing, on the other hand, I vastly prefer to his old Heroclix incarnation, which got the face and pose completely wrong. This is The Ever Lovin' Idol of Millions in all his clobberin' glory. Excellent work, whoever sculpted that.

I'm a little disheartened with the decision to render the Invisible Woman as a clear figure, especially since she's apparently the only female character we're getting at the moment. But it's still an excellent sculpt with a good pose.

Super Skrull looks really nice. Nothing to complain about there. I'd have liked to see some stretchiness, but that may have overdone things a bit.

Sandman is my favorite figure of the batch. Totally eclipses what Wizkids did years ago. The shape of the head, the bulkiness of the character, the detail in the hands... I could not ask for more from my second favorite Spider-Man villain.

Bullseye is... well, Bullseye. He's a good sculpt, but I'm not exactly a huge fan of the character. Still, he'll be a vital figure to have if I need goons for mastermind type characters to work with.

Punisher. Another character I'm really not a fan of. Still, he's visable in the public eye, has a substantial fanbase, and can have pre-existing powers adapted to him while still maintaining the flavor of the character. Still, from a thematic standpoint, Punisher is the kind of guy best known for mowing down common criminals, and as yet we have nothing of that sort either in the Marvelscape range or in classic 'Scape. Sounds like some serious customs of existing Heroclix minis will be called for soon.

I'm going to reserve judgement on T'Challa until I have the figure in my hands, since his nearly all-black design makes the details on the sculpt a little hard to make out. Still, I'm just excited to see him coming at all. I wasn't expecting to see him, and as an Avengers fan, he's a truly welcome addition to Marvelscape.

So we get Dr. Octopus in his "classic" design, huh? Well, can't say I'm surprised, but his newer, movie-inspired look has grown on me, too. Still, he's my all-time favorite Spider-Foe, so just getting him is good enough for me.

As for Beast... the decision to put him in his current outfit but still have his 90s face strikes me as... well, odd. I suppose his inclusion, and not Reed (unless more minis are as yet unrevealed), is possibly to experiment with ideas for intellect-based powers and see what works, while having a character whose physical abilities can either be represented by pre-existing powers, or by slightly beefier-than-normal stats.

If we do see more characters, I fully expect Mr Fantastic in the mix, and I'd really hope for Klaw (to go with Black Panther) and a minor X-Villain (Avalanche, perhaps?). Anything else, after this group, would be gravy.

[hextr1p]

http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/albums/userpics/Human_Torch.png
http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/albums/userpics/Invisible_Woman.png
http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/albums/userpics/Super_Skrull.png
:drool: Translucent plastics... mmmmmmmm...

I'm glad Hasbro is using the clear plastics. Really helps add visual interest to already great looking sculpts and paints... albeit, Sue is isn't really painted... but I digress. The last time the transulcents were used on figures was on the Obsidian Guards, correct? Yeah, Hasbro needs to do more of this. It just looks so COOL!

Speaking of cool, how awesome would a translucent Iceman be!? :D

[Zincdust]

Too bad about the Beast (lame character with blah powers). His powers might not be the most exciting ever, but I disagree with him being a lame character.
Agreed; I've always like the Beast

Same here... Definitely one of my favorites from the Marvel Universe(s).

[Sweetcurse]

So far, the Thing's scukpt is my favorite alongside Hulk and Doom. I just wish they had gone with the more contemporary look and make him a bit taller. But with a great pose like that it's hard to complain. He looks 100 times better than any of the clix incarnations.

[jcb231]

The only sculpt I don't really like is Human Torch, but that seems to be a popular one to hate on. I wonder why they went with Johnny Storm instead of the actual Human Torch...where he's ya know, totally on fire?

[hex706f726368]

Anyone think maybe since sue is a clear figure that maybe she won't be affected by non-adjacent attacks? You can't shoot what you can't see, but maybe you can punch it...?

Thorian speed on crack?

[allskulls]

Anyone think maybe since sue is a clear figure that maybe she won't be affected by non-adjacent attacks? You can't shoot what you can't see, but maybe you can punch it...?

Thorian speed on crack?
No need for Thorian Speed, she will have an all grey hit zone with a little green dot on her face :wink:

[Sweetcurse]

I would think Stealth Flight is an excellent representation of her powers. It simulates her, well, flight ability, plus the added "disengage" and "ghost walk" represent her invisibility quite well. I would expect a high defense on her and a lowish attack. Although she's plenty capable of putting the hurt, she usually holds back and focuses on her defense. Her force field would probably be well represented by something that aids her allies in defense, be it a d20 save roll or some sort of defense die improvement. A bit of range on her would be good too.

[Penitus]

Torch looks constipated.

[Sherman Davies]

The close up photos of the new figs really helps, so thanks. I'm glad the Thing's sculpt turned out so well, since he's one of my top 5 Marvel characters. The only minor gripes I have with the sculpts are the lack of stretchiness on Super Skrull (really hurting Mr. Fantastic's feelings here) and Doc Ock's relative sveltness. I like my Doc Ock chubby. Glad they used his classic orange and green jumpsuit, though.

[Temprit]

Wheres Mr. Fantastic, They give you The Thing, Human Torch and Invisible Women, You can't Have the Fantastic Three.

[IAmBatman]

Wheres Mr. Fantastic, They give you The Thing, Human Torch and Invisible Women, You can't Have the Fantastic Three.

Congrats on being the one millionth user to say this! :D
Seriously, though, he'll come eventually. If not in this wave, soon enough.

[ProSpecT]

I can't see the Invisible Woman. Where is she?

[jcb231]

I would think that invisibility could be well represented by allowing the figure some sort of free move after order markers are placed but before the first turn. As in your opponent has no idea where she's going to end up when the round begins.

[ProSpecT]

Yes, I like that idea. Maybe when a figure becomes adjacent she may roll the d20. Get a certain number or higher of course and she may move away before that figure attacks. I dunno there are 271292197 combinations and possibilities.

Perhaps she will be MarvelScapes Raelin.

[IAmBatman]

I honestly like Allskull's no hitzone idea. Makes perfect sense, and means she can only be attacked when engaged (which also makes perfect sense). And you'd have plenty of room left on the card for her to put up force fields (defensive aura 4?) and for stealth flying.

[Joah]

I love it all! I think Johnny Storm is tied dead even with the Thing, as too cool for school. Awesome sculpts. Goodbye Heroclix, nice not knowing you.

[NecroBlade]

Speaking of cool, how awesome would a translucent Iceman be!? :DToo cool! 8)

[IAmBatman]

Speaking of cool, how awesome would a translucent Iceman be!? :DToo cool! 8)

Heh ... "cool".
He'd be even "cooler" with some sort of small ice slide under his feet too.

[ZBeeblebrox]

Speaking of cool, how awesome would a translucent Iceman be!? :DToo cool! 8)

Heh ... "cool".
He'd be even "cooler" with some sort of small ice slide under his feet too.

Heroclix, tried that and failed misberly. my guess Hasbro will get it right!

[Havokscry]

It wouldn't surprise me if the Black Panther has the highest cost out of the expansions.

[HyperactiveSloth]

It wouldn't surprise me if the Black Panther has the highest cost out of the expansions.

Reason?

[IAmBatman]

yeah, why would Black Panther cost more than someone as strong as, say, The Thing? Or as powerful as Human Torch and Superskrull?

[Unknownknowned]

what part of black panther dont you understand?

http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2006/Black-Panthers-Led8oct06a.jpg

[SunDevil]

I certainly don't mean to insult anyone here but I wanted to mention something that strikes me as funny.

I'm a big HeroClix fan and a big HeroScape fan. They are completely different games and I really enjoy both.

That said, I laugh everytime someone writes "Nice not knowing you (Clix)" or "Clix tried that and failed horribly but Scape will get it right".

It sounds really, well, defensive.

I don't know if some jerk Clixer made fun of Scape or what but it always sounds like, "See? Scape is a real game, not just a kids board game, and is just as competitive as Clix!" Is this a pro-Scape board or an anti-Clix board?

I really like the Scape sculpts so far (even Torch). In fact, there isn't a bad one yet, imho. I also enjoy the gameplay, the character cards as well as the fact that the Marvel guys play well with standard Scape. But Clix is also a fun game (though, obviously, much different than Scape) with hundreds of fantastic sculpts to go along with many, many stinkers as well. ;)

I'm just not sure we need so many "Clix sucks!" comments when "Scape rocks!" pretty much says it all.

Just something to think about or ignore at your individual leisure.

[ProSpecT]

"Heroclix Sucks" = 8 + 5 = 13
"Heroscape Rocks" = 9 + 5 = 14

Therefore the true problem is people and lazy typing. Saying "Heroclix Sucks" is one less letter then saying "Heroscape Rocks". Which, the only conclusion I can come up with, is that it is very much more difficult to say anything that is 1 or more letters than saying something easy. Like for example: "Heroclix Sucks"

Man it was hard typing all those extra letters...

*Disclaimer* The views of ProSpecT do not reflect upon the Heroscaping Community.

[Turtleboy]

Reallly excited about all the figures, but Punisher as one of my favorite figures has kinda a blah pose. Wishing he was in more of an action style pose, but, I guess he has to remain his cool before he blows people away :wink: Anyone think they gave red skull a new head/guns and painted him like the Punisher? :?


As for that. FF never been my favorties, so I could care less about the lack of Reed. We got Thing, Black Panther, and Punisher. Im already sold on this set.

[ProSpecT]

Anyone think they gave red skull a new head/guns and painted him like the Punisher? :?
set.

Good observation. However, it seems that Red Skull is a little more upright. Also, Red Skulls arms are upwards while Punisher's are more 90 degree angle. I think he does have an action pose which kind of looks like he is firing away with those machine guns. At least thats what I imagine. I can see the similarities though...

[rdhight]

Reallly excited about all the figures, but Punisher as one of my favorite figures has kinda a blah pose. Wishing he was in more of an action style pose, but, I guess he has to remain his cool before he blows people away :wink: Anyone think they gave red skull a new head/guns and painted him like the Punisher? :?


As for that. FF never been my favorties, so I could care less about the lack of Reed. We got Thing, Black Panther, and Punisher. Im already sold on this set.

I realize there's a lot of love for the FF around here, but Punisher and Black Panther are a way bigger deal to me as well.

Maybe the reason Reed isn't out yet has something to do with the thinker or team leader factors. Avengers, but no Fury. Mutants, but no Professor X. Fantastic three, but no Reed. Maybe they want to make sure the lower-ranked team members are out for a while before their leaders are released? Or perhaps they want to watch and see how the power levels of the bruisers like Beast and Thing play out in the real world before adding the mental powers and leader-type abilities that will be activating/boosting them?

[Havokscry]

yeah, why would Black Panther cost more than someone as strong as, say, The Thing? Or as powerful as Human Torch and Superskrull?

His powers are similar to Cap with the resources of Iron Man. He's currently the leader of the Fantastic Four and he took down the Silver Surfer single handedly. That being said, I"m not a fan. :D

[skyknight]

I certainly don't mean to insult anyone here but I wanted to mention something that strikes me as funny.

I'm a big HeroClix fan and a big HeroScape fan. They are completely different games and I really enjoy both.

That said, I laugh everytime someone writes "Nice not knowing you (Clix)" or "Clix tried that and failed horribly but Scape will get it right".

It sounds really, well, defensive.

I don't know if some jerk Clixer made fun of Scape or what but it always sounds like, "See? Scape is a real game, not just a kids board game, and is just as competitive as Clix!" Is this a pro-Scape board or an anti-Clix board?

I really like the Scape sculpts so far (even Torch). In fact, there isn't a bad one yet, imho. I also enjoy the gameplay, the character cards as well as the fact that the Marvel guys play well with standard Scape. But Clix is also a fun game (though, obviously, much different than Scape) with hundreds of fantastic sculpts to go along with many, many stinkers as well. ;)

I'm just not sure we need so many "Clix sucks!" comments when "Scape rocks!" pretty much says it all.

Just something to think about or ignore at your individual leisure.

I think, though I am not sure since I am pretty new to games, what you are seeing is a bit of a backlash against other gamers. I know I have read it on here a bunch of times that when people play Heroscape the Hardcore Gamers :lol: which makes me laugh anyways :lol: they generally look down upon Scape in the Game stores as a kids game. So I think what you are seeing is basically just people being defensive. Me, I do not understand why you could not appreciate one game for its depth and another for its simplicity yet astounding gameplay. But again I would like to say Elitist Gamers make me laugh :lol: I pray for the day when I get to meet one of these fellows and I catch an attitude. At that point I think we would step back together and take a look at where are lives are :twisted: I wonder if I could make one cry????

[Sherman Davies]

I certainly don't mean to insult anyone here but I wanted to mention something that strikes me as funny.

I'm a big HeroClix fan and a big HeroScape fan. They are completely different games and I really enjoy both.

That said, I laugh everytime someone writes "Nice not knowing you (Clix)" or "Clix tried that and failed horribly but Scape will get it right".

It sounds really, well, defensive.

I don't know if some jerk Clixer made fun of Scape or what but it always sounds like, "See? Scape is a real game, not just a kids board game, and is just as competitive as Clix!" Is this a pro-Scape board or an anti-Clix board?

I really like the Scape sculpts so far (even Torch). In fact, there isn't a bad one yet, imho. I also enjoy the gameplay, the character cards as well as the fact that the Marvel guys play well with standard Scape. But Clix is also a fun game (though, obviously, much different than Scape) with hundreds of fantastic sculpts to go along with many, many stinkers as well. ;)

I'm just not sure we need so many "Clix sucks!" comments when "Scape rocks!" pretty much says it all.

Just something to think about or ignore at your individual leisure.

Well, as someone who's made a short point-by-point description of the merits of Heroscape over Heroclix elsewhere on these boards, I'd like to say that the negative views of Heroclix do not necessarily have to do with defensiveness. For my part, it's just pretty natural and obvious to compare the two games, and as an ex-Heroclixer it may have more to do with disappointment over what Heroclix could have been. I've never experienced any "hardcore" gamer looking down on Heroscape as a kid's game (though I can see that happening pretty easily, knowing some gamers), so I have no reason to be defensive.

I will add that I agree with you about being amused by those trashing Heroclix sculpts. The figs themselves were not a problem I had with Heroclix; they had as many awesome ones as terrible ones.

[ej]

I certainly don't mean to insult anyone here but I wanted to mention something that strikes me as funny.

I'm a big HeroClix fan and a big HeroScape fan. They are completely different games and I really enjoy both.

That said, I laugh everytime someone writes "Nice not knowing you (Clix)" or "Clix tried that and failed horribly but Scape will get it right".

It sounds really, well, defensive.

I don't know if some jerk Clixer made fun of Scape or what but it always sounds like, "See? Scape is a real game, not just a kids board game, and is just as competitive as Clix!" Is this a pro-Scape board or an anti-Clix board?


I have a disdain for Heroclix. It's mostly based on the blind purchase system and my inability to find one of my favorite X-Men characters because they made him one of the hard-to-find figures. I was also getting frustrated with the looking back-and-forth from the dial to the power sheet. Since we're mainly comparing the two games, I'll point out another weakness of Heroclix, and that's the sameness of the powers, whereas Heroscape's individual card system allows very thematic differences in abilities. The changing stats system is the only thing I'll concede to Heroclix as being a neat game mechanic, but even Heroscape is able to replicate that with the wound marker system. I invested quite a bit of time and money in Heroclix and I find Heroscape does it better... and when Nightcrawler is released I'll be able to GET Nightcrawler, thank you very much.

I won't chide you for enjoying Heroclix, though. I'll never tell you that you shouldn't enjoy your game as much as you do. And I assume that you'll know that I have no love for Heroclix and it's based on experience, not prejudice.

[the mighty Thor]

No thor! :blowup: :blowup: :blowup: :blowup:

[Penitus]

But Heroclix does suck.

Who wants to waste thousands of dollars on a game where you have to collect and trade for characters, and you end up never getting the ones you want unless you spent TONS of money?

The rules change every year, the maps are HORRIBLE.

I don't care if I'm defensive, but Heroclix fails.

[IAmBatman]

yeah, why would Black Panther cost more than someone as strong as, say, The Thing? Or as powerful as Human Torch and Superskrull?

His powers are similar to Cap with the resources of Iron Man. He's currently the leader of the Fantastic Four and he took down the Silver Surfer single handedly. That being said, I"m not a fan. :D

Batman's powers aren't too far off from Cap, he has the resources of Iron Man, he's been a leader in several superhero organizations, and he's taken down Superman single handedly. That said, if he were ever made into a figure by Hasbro, I'd expect his cost would be lower than Superman, Iron Man, or Cap.

As far as the whole "Clix" sucks thing, I've gotta say, I've never played Clix, never had the interest. I do however have a lot of DC Clix figures that make me go "shweeeeeeeeet" every time I look at them. :D

Oh, and Sky, maybe one day all games can get along and be compatible ... :P

[Ursas]

I agree with many points that ej pointed out about Heroclix. Although I am not in the "heroclix sucks" camp, I am not too fond of the game.

One thing I will say about my interaction and experience with both communities ( moreso with heroclix ) is that I tend to have more fun with the Heroscape community. For some reason the "gotta have'em all" mentality with some of the heroclix players translates to games that are Ultra-competitive.

While I love the competition and I do like to win its more about the journey. Also it seems that Heroscape, regardless of the perception, seems to attract a more mature crowd. This has been my observation thus far.

[Hawk14]

But Heroclix does suck.

Who wants to waste thousands of dollars on a game where you have to collect and trade for characters, and you end up never getting the ones you want unless you spent TONS of money?

The rules change every year, the maps are HORRIBLE.

I don't care if I'm defensive, but Heroclix fails.
hey your an ex-Clixer, right?

[TweetyBird]

I'm a little disheartened with the decision to render the Invisible Woman as a clear figure, especially since she's apparently the only female character we're getting at the moment.

I agree. I'm beginning to feel terribly underrepresented here. And doesn't the Thing seem a bit on the petite side?

[NecroBlade]

I'm a little disheartened with the decision to render the Invisible Woman as a clear figure, especially since she's apparently the only female character we're getting at the moment.

I agree. I'm beginning to feel terribly underrepresented here. And doesn't the Thing seem a bit on the petite side?The Hulk is a bit size challenged IMO as well. As for the Invisible Woman being, well, invisible...I really like the look of that completely clear figure, actually. 8)

[Ursas]

I am glad she is totally clear. It really emphasizes her ability.

[ej]

I *heart* the invisible Invisible Woman.

I don't like the '<3', looks like a ballsack on its side.

[IAmBatman]

If I were stuck in the battle of all time, I would be staying in completely invisible form too! :shock:

[Hawk14]

If I were stuck in the battle of all time, I would be staying in completely invisible form too! :shock:
especially if I had some nerdy kid getting his hands all over me. :P

[hex706f726368]

More power speculation...maybe bullseye will be the first to have a power similar to tough, except with the attack dice.

Expert Marksman or Perfect Aim
When rolling attack dice for a normal attack, Bullseye always adds one automatic skull to whatever is rolled.

[ej]

If I were stuck in the battle of all time, I would be staying in completely invisible form too! :shock:
especially if I had some nerdy kid getting his hands all over me. :P

Invisible Woman will become Cheeto Girl in many households.

[IAmBatman]

Isn't Cheeto Girl the archenemy of Wonder Bread Woman?

[allskulls]

Isn't Cheeto Girl the archenemy of Wonder Bread Woman? :lol:

[IAmBatman]

:rimshot:

[riledguy]

I am sure it is too late now but I wish that the Human Torch could have been in his all flames form. He looks a lot more lame as a guy in a blue suit surrounded by fire.

I blame the movies :P

[yagyuninja]

These are great, and I don't have a problem with Torch at all. Thing is AWESOME, and I think Sue is really cool too. I think she would be boring if she wasn't invisible, and ridiculous if she was half visible. And I don't know if this is just because I have no idea who he is, but super skrull looks lame. The sculpt is great and all, but he just seems...stupid. Do FF readers love him or something?

[johnny139]

These are great, and I don't have a problem with Torch at all. Thing is AWESOME, and I think Sue is really cool too. I think she would be boring if she wasn't invisible, and ridiculous if she was half visible. And I don't know if this is just because I have no idea who he is, but super skrull looks lame. The sculpt is great and all, but he just seems...stupid. Do FF readers love him or something?

Well, next to Doom and Galactus, the Skrulls are pretty much the F4's worst enemies. Super Skrull is their secret weapon.

[jcb231]

I certainly don't mean to insult anyone here but I wanted to mention something that strikes me as funny.

I'm a big HeroClix fan and a big HeroScape fan. They are completely different games and I really enjoy both.

That said, I laugh everytime someone writes "Nice not knowing you (Clix)" or "Clix tried that and failed horribly but Scape will get it right".

It sounds really, well, defensive.

I don't know if some jerk Clixer made fun of Scape or what but it always sounds like, "See? Scape is a real game, not just a kids board game, and is just as competitive as Clix!" Is this a pro-Scape board or an anti-Clix board?

I really like the Scape sculpts so far (even Torch). In fact, there isn't a bad one yet, imho. I also enjoy the gameplay, the character cards as well as the fact that the Marvel guys play well with standard Scape. But Clix is also a fun game (though, obviously, much different than Scape) with hundreds of fantastic sculpts to go along with many, many stinkers as well. ;)

I'm just not sure we need so many "Clix sucks!" comments when "Scape rocks!" pretty much says it all.

Just something to think about or ignore at your individual leisure.

I never thought Clix sucked at first, in theory, but then it got all super-collectible and heavily torunament oriented and started retiring figures and releasing fifty Wolverines and whatnot, and then it clearly sucked, in my eyes at least. I was glad to rid myself of it and have no qualms about bashing it. I think the age of blind purchase messes should be over.

[Penitus]

These are great, and I don't have a problem with Torch at all. Thing is AWESOME, and I think Sue is really cool too. I think she would be boring if she wasn't invisible, and ridiculous if she was half visible. And I don't know if this is just because I have no idea who he is, but super skrull looks lame. The sculpt is great and all, but he just seems...stupid. Do FF readers love him or something?

Well, next to Doom and Galactus, the Skrulls are pretty much the F4's worst enemies. Super Skrull is their secret weapon.

Annihilus
Moleman

That'd be the big ones, alongside what has already been mentioned.

[Penitus]

But Heroclix does suck.

Who wants to waste thousands of dollars on a game where you have to collect and trade for characters, and you end up never getting the ones you want unless you spent TONS of money?

The rules change every year, the maps are HORRIBLE.

I don't care if I'm defensive, but Heroclix fails.
hey your an ex-Clixer, right?

Yep.

[jcb231]

But Heroclix does suck.

Who wants to waste thousands of dollars on a game where you have to collect and trade for characters, and you end up never getting the ones you want unless you spent TONS of money?

The rules change every year, the maps are HORRIBLE.

I don't care if I'm defensive, but Heroclix fails.

Quoted for :truth:

[jcb231]

These are great, and I don't have a problem with Torch at all. Thing is AWESOME, and I think Sue is really cool too. I think she would be boring if she wasn't invisible, and ridiculous if she was half visible. And I don't know if this is just because I have no idea who he is, but super skrull looks lame. The sculpt is great and all, but he just seems...stupid. Do FF readers love him or something?

Well, next to Doom and Galactus, the Skrulls are pretty much the F4's worst enemies. Super Skrull is their secret weapon.

Annihilus
Moleman

That'd be the big ones, alongside what has already been mentioned.

If I were to round out the FF series of Marvelscape figures, I'd add Mister Fantastic, Galactus, Annihilus, a squad of Skrull Warriors, Moleman, and a squad of Moloids for Moleman to summon. Might add She-Hulk or Namor in there for the good guys. That would feel like a real FF comic lineup to me.

[johnny139]

These are great, and I don't have a problem with Torch at all. Thing is AWESOME, and I think Sue is really cool too. I think she would be boring if she wasn't invisible, and ridiculous if she was half visible. And I don't know if this is just because I have no idea who he is, but super skrull looks lame. The sculpt is great and all, but he just seems...stupid. Do FF readers love him or something?

Well, next to Doom and Galactus, the Skrulls are pretty much the F4's worst enemies. Super Skrull is their secret weapon.

Annihilus
Moleman

That'd be the big ones, alongside what has already been mentioned.

Annihilus... yeah, I could see that. But this is a game marketed at ten-year-olds. If they had a choice between Moleman and Super Skrull, who do you think they'd pick?

[Taeblewalker]

Why not add Blastaar if we are adding Annihulus?

[Hawk14]

:rimshot: These are great, and I don't have a problem with Torch at all. Thing is AWESOME, and I think Sue is really cool too. I think she would be boring if she wasn't invisible, and ridiculous if she was half visible. And I don't know if this is just because I have no idea who he is, but super skrull looks lame. The sculpt is great and all, but he just seems...stupid. Do FF readers love him or something?

Well, next to Doom and Galactus, the Skrulls are pretty much the F4's worst enemies. Super Skrull is their secret weapon.

Annihilus
Moleman

That'd be the big ones, alongside what has already been mentioned.

Annihilus... yeah, I could see that. But this is a game marketed at ten-year-olds. If they had a choice between Moleman and Super Skrull, who do you think they'd pick?
knowing kids...Spider-man. :P

[riledguy]

Mole Man would be cool in that he is so damned uncool. I guess you would have to pack him with a couple squads of his little underground helpers.

That would make all you guys craving squads happy.

[Dartheyegouger]

FRIGHTFUL FOUR! Sandman's on that team!

[IAmBatman]

I am sure it is too late now but I wish that the Human Torch could have been in his all flames form. He looks a lot more lame as a guy in a blue suit surrounded by fire.

I blame the movies :P

How can you blame the movies for that blonde dork do he's sporting? That's not how he looks in the movies, it's definitely old school comic book.

edit: oh, and Kang the Conqueror would make a nice addition to Fantastic Four's baddies.
Maybe even Puppet Master. :lol:

[Penitus]

Why not add Blastaar if we are adding Annihulus?

Yes, I knew I was forgetting a few villains.

[riledguy]

I am sure it is too late now but I wish that the Human Torch could have been in his all flames form. He looks a lot more lame as a guy in a blue suit surrounded by fire.

I blame the movies :P

How can you blame the movies for that blonde dork do he's sporting? That's not how he looks in the movies, it's definitely old school comic book.

I have no problem with his hair. His blonde hair was how were knew for sure that he was Susan's brother. :)

In the old school comics when ever he was fighting he was red with those strange black texture lines that ran the length of his and his limbs and he was surrounded in yellow fire.

Seeing him in his regular form seems like a waste. It would be like doing Ice-Man but putting him in his human form with ice on only his hands and feet.

[jcb231]

Blastaar is a bit too obscure...Annihilus is ever so slightly better known. he doesn't dip into the pool of losers too far. :-)

[Penitus]

If I were to round out the FF series of Marvelscape figures, I'd add Mister Fantastic, Galactus, Annihilus, a squad of Skrull Warriors, Moleman, and a squad of Moloids for Moleman to summon. Might add She-Hulk or Namor in there for the good guys. That would feel like a real FF comic lineup to me.

You can bet we'll see She-Hulk and Namor eventually.

Galactus' Head will be it's own expansion pack. It will have one power:

EAT ALL HEXES
Roll 1d20. If you roll anything but a 1, Galactus eats the Hexes and automatically wins every Heroscape game ever played.

[riledguy]

Blastaar is a bit too obscure...Annihilus is ever so slightly better known. he doesn't dip into the pool of losers too far. :-)

I think it is safe to say that Annihilus, Doctor Doom, Mole Man, and Super Skull are the most iconic villains of the FF.

They have Doom already and they are going to put out Super Skull so I doubt we will be seeing any other FF players for a while as they will need to fill those character slots with the scores of major spider-man villains.

Hasbro really needs to get people out faster for this then they have for the regular heroscape because I think the fan base will not be as content with trickles of new characters.

[IAmBatman]

I am sure it is too late now but I wish that the Human Torch could have been in his all flames form. He looks a lot more lame as a guy in a blue suit surrounded by fire.

I blame the movies :P

How can you blame the movies for that blonde dork do he's sporting? That's not how he looks in the movies, it's definitely old school comic book.

I have no problem with his hair. His blonde hair was how were knew for sure that he was Susan's brother. :)

In the old school comics when ever he was fighting he was red with those strange black texture lines that ran the length of his and his limbs and he was surrounded in yellow fire.

Seeing him in his regular form seems like a waste. It would be like doing Ice-Man but putting him in his human form with ice on only his hands and feet.

Oh, I agree, I just don't think the movies are to blame. :P

[Penitus]

Heck with FF though, I want my Spidey and X-Men villains

Electro
Mysterio
Green Goblin
Hobgoblin
Jack-O-Lantern
Carnage
Magneto
Blog
Toad
Omega Red
Apocalypse
etc.

[IAmBatman]

I'd put money on Green Goblin being in the second expansion wave. I wonder when they're going to drop the Wolverine bomb on the world?

[riledguy]

Heck with FF though, I want my Spidey and X-Men villains

Electro
Mysterio
Green Goblin
Hobgoblin
Jack-O-Lantern
Carnage
Magneto
Blog
Toad
Omega Red
Apocalypse
etc.

I heard that Blog was one of the worst X-men villains.... constantly slandering them online. Warping the details of their adventures and travels. I think he worked under senator Kelly for a while... that or he worked for Trask.. I forget which.

(I will stop being an ass now)

Blob would be cool though. Though out of all the X-men villains I would want to see Omega Red and Spiral the most. I don't mention Magneto because He will be the first X-men villain they do for sure.

[riledguy]

I'd put money on Green Goblin being in the second expansion wave. I wonder when they're going to drop the Wolverine bomb on the world?

Only be cool if he came packed in with Colossus.

Colossus

Power: Fastball Special

If Colossus is unengaged and Wolverine is adjacent and also unengaged Colossus may pick him up and throw him up to 8 spaces at an opponents figure.

Damage= 2 plus 1 die for every unused space to get there.

[IAmBatman]

Blog! :lol:
And the Colossus/Wolvie combo would be good, but I think Wolverine would be pretty darn cool on his own. I mean, he's freaking Wolverine - possibly the most popular character in Marvel Comics, and at least one of the top three (along with Spidey and Hulk).

[Penitus]

Hahaha blog. I also hate it when villains slander me online. DARSTARDLY.

[ej]

I am sure it is too late now but I wish that the Human Torch could have been in his all flames form. He looks a lot more lame as a guy in a blue suit surrounded by fire.

I blame the movies :P

I disagree. I think his sculpt is much more colorful this way, plus it would've taken a fantastic sculpt to show the details properly.

[riledguy]

Blog! :lol:
And the Colossus/Wolvie combo would be good, but I think Wolverine would be pretty darn cool on his own. I mean, he's freaking Wolverine - possibly the most popular character in Marvel Comics, and at least one of the top three (along with Spidey and Hulk).

One of the most popular for sure.

... also one of the most "whored out." I think he was in all seventeen different X titles at once ... then they rolled him into the Avengers.

I don't think that he has ever replaced the thing in the Fantastic Four but I will give Marvel a year to fix that.

Wolverine will come out for sure. Though I think like many other X-men fans out there that there are others I would rather see come out first such as:

Nightcrawler
Colossus
Longshot
Cyclops
Xorn

[IAmBatman]

I agree with him being whored out. Sadly, due to his high cool factor, Batman has suffered the same indignation.

[riledguy]

I disagree. I think his sculpt is much more colorful this way, plus it would've taken a fantastic sculpt to show the details properly.

You are absolutely right.. it is more colorful the way they did it.

Just looks less formidable and less like the Human Torch that you see fighting in the comics.

I don't need to see any Marvel Heroscape figures in their "down-time" attire and modes.

Would you have liked the Iron Man sculpt to have Tony putting on his face mask or Iron Man bootys?

:P

[ej]

I disagree. I think his sculpt is much more colorful this way, plus it would've taken a fantastic sculpt to show the details properly.

You are absolutely right.. it is more colorful the way they did it.

Just looks less formidable and less like the Human Torch that you see fighting in the comics.

I don't need to see any Marvel Heroscape figures in their "down-time" attire and modes.

Would you have liked the Iron Man sculpt to have Tony putting on his face mask or Iron Man bootys?

:P

Get off my back. I'm in no mood for your shenanigans today, mister. :wink:

[Havokscry]

yeah, why would Black Panther cost more than someone as strong as, say, The Thing? Or as powerful as Human Torch and Superskrull?

His powers are similar to Cap with the resources of Iron Man. He's currently the leader of the Fantastic Four and he took down the Silver Surfer single handedly. That being said, I"m not a fan. :D

Batman's powers aren't too far off from Cap, he has the resources of Iron Man, he's been a leader in several superhero organizations, and he's taken down Superman single handedly. That said, if he were ever made into a figure by Hasbro, I'd expect his cost would be lower than Superman, Iron Man, or Cap.

I never said that Black Panther would be more powerful than Cap, Iron Man, or any of the other pieces from the Master Set. I do think, however, that he should be the most powerful out of the new expansion. He's the king of Wakanda and has a variety of Vibranium weapons and magical artifacts. If he wasn't so powerful, why did Iron Man and Cap both try to recruit him during Civil War? I'd be disappointed if intelligence didn't play a role in stats. If that's the case, Reed Richard's would suck as a unit.

Going with the Fantastic Four theme for a minute, maybe they're saving Reed for a large expansion. I'd like to see a squad of Skrulls and Kree Warriors, as well as Ronan the Accuser. I like the space theme introduced with Silver Surfer and Thanos. Bring on the Heralds of Galactus!!

btw, Batman doesn't have any powers. :wink:

[jcb231]

Blog! :lol:
And the Colossus/Wolvie combo would be good, but I think Wolverine would be pretty darn cool on his own. I mean, he's freaking Wolverine - possibly the most popular character in Marvel Comics, and at least one of the top three (along with Spidey and Hulk).

One of the most popular for sure.

... also one of the most "whored out." I think he was in all seventeen different X titles at once ... then they rolled him into the Avengers.

I don't think that he has ever replaced the thing in the Fantastic Four but I will give Marvel a year to fix that.

Wolverine will come out for sure. Though I think like many other X-men fans out there that there are others I would rather see come out first such as:

Nightcrawler
Colossus
Longshot
Cyclops
Xorn

Actually Wolverie was in the FF, along with Spider-Man and some other guys I can't recall. It was a long time ago.

[Havokscry]

Ghost Rider and the Hulk.

[jcb231]

Ghost Rider and the Hulk.

Yup. The sucktastic four.

[riledguy]

Actually Wolverie was in the FF, along with Spider-Man and some other guys I can't recall. It was a long time ago.

My bad, I guess he already was in the FF... man Marvel is pathetic when it comes to milking wolverine ... give Logan a break.

[Wildeyed_buckcat]

Sorry if someone said either of these before, I think I went through all ten pages and did not see a mention of the following:

to change the subject, ever so slightly, does anyone else think that Sandman will be the first character to get a bonus on sand tiles? I don't think there are any included with the Marvel Masterset (haven't got mine yet), but you have to include it just in case of crossover.

Also, on the inclusion (or lack thereof) of Wolverine. I think that he will come out eventually, I just think they may be spending time to get his powers right. I mean, how do you do his healing ability? Do you do it once every turn or do you do it once every time a pair of order markers is removed (I would lean towards the latter just because that seems to be how it happens). Just my thoughts.

[jcb231]

Sorry if someone said either of these before, I think I went through all ten pages and did not see a mention of the following:

to change the subject, ever so slightly, does anyone else think that Sandman will be the first character to get a bonus on sand tiles? I don't think there are any included with the Marvel Masterset (haven't got mine yet), but you have to include it just in case of crossover.

Also, on the inclusion (or lack thereof) of Wolverine. I think that he will come out eventually, I just think they may be spending time to get his powers right. I mean, how do you do his healing ability? Do you do it once every turn or do you do it once every time a pair of order markers is removed (I would lean towards the latter just because that seems to be how it happens). Just my thoughts.

I think the healing would best occur at the end of a round, and perhaps get a bonus if he had less order markers on him or something....as if he was "resting" and htus healing faster. I would think he should always remove at least one marker and have the chance to remove more based on a d20 roll.

I'd also give him some sort of Frenzy or Assualt power that lets him flip out and attack/move multiple times.


As for Sandman....I like the idea of a bonus on sand tiles, but I don't hink it will happen as there are no sand tiles in the master set. They'd have to include them, and how useful would it really be to have like two sand tiles he gets the bonus on? The games are fully compatible but I think they are trying to make them self-contained so you don't have to buy from both universes if you don't want to.

[Argent]

So if they won't have a special for Sandman on sand because it didn't come in the Marvel Master Set. Does that mean you think they won't give 'Torch an immunity to lava since it didn't come with that either??

::pictures Jotun tossing 'Torch into molten lava, so he can see the funny fire man really catch fire::

Personally I'd be disappointed if he didn't get an immunity to lava.

I like the idea given for Colossus and the fast ball special. I was thinking something along those lines, but not specific to Wolverine, but any small or medium figure. And the thrown figure would have to end up engaged with an enemy figure. the thrown figure would then get to attack (but not move) the enemy figure basically giving the thrown figure a free turn.


I also think that Sandman and moreso Doc Ock could end up being our first figures with a range of like 2 or 3 to so reach.

[jcb231]

So if they won't have a special for Sandman on sand because it didn't come in the Marvel Master Set. Does that mean you think they won't give 'Torch an immunity to lava since it didn't come with that either??

::pictures Jotun tossing 'Torch into molten lava, so he can see the funny fire man really catch fire::

Personally I'd be disappointed if he didn't get an immunity to lava.

I like the idea given for Colossus and the fast ball special. I was thinking something along those lines, but not specific to Wolverine, but any small or medium figure. And the thrown figure would have to end up engaged with an enemy figure. the thrown figure would then get to attack (but not move) the enemy figure basically giving the thrown figure a free turn.


I also think that Sandman and moreso Doc Ock could end up being our first figures with a range of like 2 or 3 to so reach.

Reach is tricky to do and VERY wordy, even in its best forms. I think that's why it's taken so long for it to appear in the game, and it's why I doubt we'll see it for a while. It's probably more trouble than it's worth. Specail abilities or special attacks that reach over two to threee spaces might work better and not cause any rules headaches.

Yeah, I think Human Torch won't have lava immunity. He's only partway through transforming, after all. :-P Jotun could just toss little man into lava before he can say "Flame On!"

[thehandofzarquon]

Jotun can't throw flying figures, and I highly imagine that Torch is going to have Flying... so I doubt you'll have to worry about that situation too much.

Now, Dr. Doom moving him into lava, however, is a different matter.

As for Sandman... well, there isn't water in the Marvel masterset either, but it is mentioned in the flying text for the units, so I'm still expecting Sandman to have some kind of Sand terrain based power.

[jcb231]

Jotun can't throw flying figures, and I highly imagine that Torch is going to have Flying... so I doubt you'll have to worry about that situation too much.

Now, Dr. Doom moving him into lava, however, is a different matter.

As for Sandman... well, there isn't water in the Marvel masterset either, but it is mentioned in the flying text for the units, so I'm still expecting Sandman to have some kind of Sand terrain based power.

Yes but the water mention is just theme for rule clarification. It doesn't require you to go out and buy water to get the most from the figure. Special powers on sand would require you to own sand tiles to get the most out of Sandman....and that would require you, at this point in time, to go out and buy classic scape products. I think Hasbro likes their money but I don't think they are going to ask you to do that just yet.

[ej]

The Sandman pack could contain sand hexes.

[IAmBatman]

The Sandman pack could contain sand hexes.

Yeah, but I don't think 4 sand hexes would really do the trick. :D
Human Torch shouldn't have lava resistence if Doctor Doom uses Mind Exchange to put him there anyway, b/c Doom would just have him turn his flames off before diving to his Hot Lava Death.
Oh, and no way Black Panther is more powerful than Thing! If we're all ceding that Black Panther isn't more powerful than Captain America or Iron Man, I'd think it'd be a given he's not more powerful than Human Torch or Thing or Super Skrull (or probably even Sandman).

[Firemaster]

I'm going to come in with my bit of speculation on the character's powers:

Bullseye:
I assume he will have some kind of auto skull power for his ranged attack, to represent his accuracy, maybe a multi attack ability as well.

Bullseye
4 Life
5 Move
8 Range
2 Attack
3 Defense
160 Points

Incredible Accuracy
When Bullseye rolls the defense dice, add 1 automatic skull to whatever is rolled.

Triple Attack
When Bullseye attacks, you may attack an additional two times.


Punisher:
He comes with some kind of white marker, so obviously he has some kind of power that uses it. It seems like anoth Grenade ability, but with Punisher's character, I would guess it's some kind of 'bounty hunter' type of ability. He also dual wield machine guns (I believe), so perhaps he has a Queglix gun type of ability.

Punisher
5 Life
5 Move
7 Range
3 Attack
4 Defense
210 Points

Punish
At the start of the game, place the Punish Marker on an opponent's unique hero. When Punisher attacks a figure with the Punish Marker on it with his regular attack, Punisher rolls 2 additional attack dice. If the Unique Hero with the Punish Marker on it is destroyed, you may place it on another opponent's Unique Hero.

Machine Gun Spray Special Attack
Range 7 Attack 2
When Punisher attacks with Machine Gun Spray Special attack, he may attack with Machine Gun Spray Special attack an additional 3 times.


Sandman:
With a body made of sand, it's not hard to guess he will have an ability that interacts with Sand spaces. I also think he's going to have a phantom walk ability of sort, seeing as he can dissolve his body.

Sandman
6 Life
5 Move
1 Range
5 Attack
4 Defense
260 Points

Phantom Walk
Sandman may move through all figures and never takes any leaving engagement strikes.

Body of Sand
At the start of each round, if Sandman is standing on a sand space, you may remove one wound marker from him. When Sandman stands on a sand space, increase his Attack and Defense values by one.

Superstrength


Thing:
Obviously he will have high attack and defense and will have superstrength. I also imagine him having an AOE attack like the Hulk's and a defensive increaser ability. If I also remember correctly, untill the Hulk gets mad, Thing is a touch stronger, so I see him having an attack of 8.

Thing
6 Life
4 Move
1 Range
8 Attack
5 Defense
330 Points

Rock Skin
When Thing rolls the defense dice, all shields rolled count as one additional shield.

Thunderclap Special Attack
Range 1 Attack 4
Roll 4 attack dice once for all figures adjacent to Thing. Each affected figure rolls defense dice seperately.

Superstrength


Human Torch:
Let's see, he will have flying, range, high move, lowish defense and I'd imagine a fire line special attack.

Human Torch
5 Life
7 Move
4 Range
4 Attack
3 Defense
190 Points

Fire Line Special Attack
Range Special Attack 4
Choose 6 spaces in a straight line from Human Torch. All figures on those spaces are affected by Fire Line Special Attack. Roll 4 Attack dice once for all affected figures. Each affected figure rolls the defense dice seperately.

Flying


Invisible Woman:
She'll be weak, but can't be attacked from range (as she will have an all grey hitzone), but she will have a barrier ability that works much like Raelin's Aura, except it will also work on herself. i think she will also have some kind of ranged attack as well.

Invisible Woman
4 Life
5 Move
1 Range
2 Attack
3 Defense
120 Points

Invisible Barrier
All figures within 4 clear sight spaces of Invisible Woman roll two additional defense dice. Invisible Woman is affected by her own Invisible Barrier.

Invisible Projectile Special Attack
Range 5 Attack 3
Figures defending against Invisible Projectile Special Attack roll one less defense dice.

Doc Ock, Super Skrull, Beast, and Black Panther:
I'll get to these guys later.

[ej]

The Sandman pack could contain sand hexes.

Yeah, but I don't think 4 sand hexes would really do the trick.

Aaaaah, BUT... what if the other pack had sand as well? Huh? HUH? Yeah, didn't see that comin', didja?

[jojomanzo]

I'm going to come in with my bit of speculation on the character's powers:

Bullseye:
I assume he will have some kind of auto skull power for his ranged attack, to represent his accuracy, maybe a multi attack ability as well.

Bullseye
4 Life
5 Move
8 Range
2 Attack
3 Defense
160 Points

Incredible Accuracy
When Bullseye rolls the defense dice, add 1 automatic skull to whatever is rolled.

Does ANY figure currently have an automatic skull? And do you mean Attack dice?

[NecroBlade]

Does ANY figure currently have an automatic skull? And do you mean Attack dice?So you're saying they can't introduce new abilities? :roll:

[ej]

I think an automatic skull for Bullseye is a perfect power, especially with these other high-cost, high-defense figures. An automatic skull is an advantage, but statistically it probably won't be a game-breaking advantage. Speculatively speaking, of course.

[IAmBatman]

The Sandman pack could contain sand hexes.

Yeah, but I don't think 4 sand hexes would really do the trick.

Aaaaah, BUT... what if the other pack had sand as well? Huh? HUH? Yeah, didn't see that comin', didja?

Way to bust me up ninja-style, EJ. :D :P

[ej]

The Sandman pack could contain sand hexes.

Yeah, but I don't think 4 sand hexes would really do the trick.

Aaaaah, BUT... what if the other pack had sand as well? Huh? HUH? Yeah, didn't see that comin', didja?

Way to bust me up ninja-style, EJ. :D :P

Woooo-aaaaah

[thehandofzarquon]

The Sandman pack could contain sand hexes.

Yeah, but I don't think 4 sand hexes would really do the trick. :D
Honestly, if there were 4 sand hexes in two separate wave expansions, that would, pathetically, be 1/6 of the total number of hexes (8 out of 48 hexes)... not an entirely bad ratio for such an ability.

That's, of course, assuming that Marvel Wave 1 is two small expansion packs. If it is 4, like Classic Waves, 16 sand hexes would be enough for close to 1/3th of the available terrain. (16 out of 56 available)

Plus, Brunak was released without any lava-field or molten lava tiles available in Orm's Return or the master set, and the terrain itself was exclusive to TRU and not widely available at first (and might not be available in certain places still). Not to mention Nerak was available LONG before snow was actually released.

I really don't think a Sand-based power for Sandman is out of the question.

[Havokscry]

Oh, and no way Black Panther is more powerful than Thing! If we're all ceding that Black Panther isn't more powerful than Captain America or Iron Man, I'd think it'd be a given he's not more powerful than Human Torch or Thing or Super Skrull (or probably even Sandman).

Speaking strictly in terms of comics, I'd take Black Panther in a fight over the Torch, Thing, or the Super Skrull. Why is it that the Thing or the Torch is not the current leader of the Fantastic Four? Heck, Reed is more powerful than the Thing or the Torch. Sure his stretching ability won't defeat them, but his intelligence would. It was Reed who defeated Galactus, not the Thing or Human Torch. You can't tell me that the Thing can outsmart Black Panther? I'm not saying that Black Panther can take the Thing in a brawl, but he sure as hell can defeat him easily in other ways.

It's just like Batman. Batman can defeat the majority of the powers in the D.C. universe based on smarts alone and he has.

Unfortunately, I doubt very much the developers will take into consideration the intelligence aspect of the hero, considering how high they costed the Abomination, who has never been a major villain in the Marvel Universe. If intelligence played a roll, Doom would be more powerful than the Abomination.

[IAmBatman]

And, yeah, I was really going more for cost than who would win in a fight in the comics (since that's ENTIRELY dependent on who's writing the fight. :P )

[Havokscry]

And, yeah, I was really going more for cost than who would win in a fight in the comics (since that's ENTIRELY dependent on who's writing the fight. :P )

I agree that he won't be the highest costed, based on what we've seen already with the Hulk and the Abomination. The Thing will be the highest costed out of the expansion, primarily based on those two characters, unfortunately.

[Taeblewalker]

Oh, and no way Black Panther is more powerful than Thing! If we're all ceding that Black Panther isn't more powerful than Captain America or Iron Man, I'd think it'd be a given he's not more powerful than Human Torch or Thing or Super Skrull (or probably even Sandman).

Speaking strictly in terms of comics, I'd take Black Panther in a fight over the Torch, Thing, or the Super Skrull. Why is it that the Thing or the Torch is not the current leader of the Fantastic Four? Heck, Reed is more powerful than the Thing or the Torch. Sure his stretching ability won't defeat them, but his intelligence would. It was Reed who defeated Galactus, not the Thing or Human Torch. You can't tell me that the Thing can outsmart Black Panther? I'm not saying that Black Panther can take the Thing in a brawl, but he sure as hell can defeat him easily in other ways.

It's just like Batman. Batman can defeat the majority of the powers in the D.C. universe based on smarts alone and he has.

Unfortunately, I doubt very much the developers will take into consideration the intelligence aspect of the hero, considering how high they costed the Abomination, who has never been a major villain in the Marvel Universe. If intelligence played a roll, Doom would be more powerful than the Abomination.

While Doom is quite intelligent, remember that Abomination is Emil Blonsky (a KGB agent). He is certainly no dummy.

[ej]

While Doom is quite intelligent, remember that Abomination is Emil Blonsky (a KGB agent). He is certainly no dummy.

If he was soooo intelligent, as you say, then why's he a dirty Commie?

I'm just joking... some of my best friends are dirty.

[Unknownknowned]

was it just me or did anyone else L O L at all the ways they made dr doom look like palpatine in FF2

messed up face..
cloak + chair that spins
UNLIMITED POWER!
and hey.. lightning

[Havokscry]

While Doom is quite intelligent, remember that Abomination is Emil Blonsky (a KGB agent). He is certainly no dummy.

If he was soooo intelligence, as you say, then why's he a dirty Commie?

I'm just joking... some of my best friends are dirty.

A dirty ugly Commie at that!!

[saintBYgrace]

Oh, and no way Black Panther is more powerful than Thing! If we're all ceding that Black Panther isn't more powerful than Captain America or Iron Man, I'd think it'd be a given he's not more powerful than Human Torch or Thing or Super Skrull (or probably even Sandman).

Speaking strictly in terms of comics, I'd take Black Panther in a fight over the Torch, Thing, or the Super Skrull. Why is it that the Thing or the Torch is not the current leader of the Fantastic Four? Heck, Reed is more powerful than the Thing or the Torch. Sure his stretching ability won't defeat them, but his intelligence would. It was Reed who defeated Galactus, not the Thing or Human Torch. You can't tell me that the Thing can outsmart Black Panther? I'm not saying that Black Panther can take the Thing in a brawl, but he sure as hell can defeat him easily in other ways.

It's just like Batman. Batman can defeat the majority of the powers in the D.C. universe based on smarts alone and he has.

Unfortunately, I doubt very much the developers will take into consideration the intelligence aspect of the hero, considering how high they costed the Abomination, who has never been a major villain in the Marvel Universe. If intelligence played a roll, Doom would be more powerful than the Abomination.

With that being said I think it has best been said in that is all in the writing of the characters. I am sorry but I there is no way you are going to get even close to the Human Torch much less should he go super nova. Seems the Human Torch is one of the most underplayed heros in the Marvel U as most think of him as a push over (fan wise and in some writers eyes as well). Seems alot of people think all you have to do is throw water on the Human Torch and that takes care of him, but as stated before, it is all in the writing of the characters that gives one this impression that the Human Torch is a push over. Hmmm, good thing I am not a Human Torch fan or anything...LOL. And no, I do not think that the Black Panther can beat the Human Torch (but I have the Marvel writers to think for why everyone would believe that the Black Panther can).

God Bless and Keep Faith;
-saint-

[jcb231]

The Sandman pack could contain sand hexes.

Yeah, but I don't think 4 sand hexes would really do the trick.

Aaaaah, BUT... what if the other pack had sand as well? Huh? HUH? Yeah, didn't see that comin', didja?


Yeah, because 8 hexes of sand would make all the difference.

[jcb231]

The Sandman pack could contain sand hexes.

Yeah, but I don't think 4 sand hexes would really do the trick. :D
Honestly, if there were 4 sand hexes in two separate wave expansions, that would, pathetically, be 1/6 of the total number of hexes (8 out of 48 hexes)... not an entirely bad ratio for such an ability.

That's, of course, assuming that Marvel Wave 1 is two small expansion packs. If it is 4, like Classic Waves, 16 sand hexes would be enough for close to 1/3th of the available terrain. (16 out of 56 available)

Plus, Brunak was released without any lava-field or molten lava tiles available in Orm's Return or the master set, and the terrain itself was exclusive to TRU and not widely available at first (and might not be available in certain places still). Not to mention Nerak was available LONG before snow was actually released.

I really don't think a Sand-based power for Sandman is out of the question.

Lava hit stores within a couple months of Brunak, and was part of the same "classic Heroscape" line.

Nerak was a special promo figure meant to tease the spring release of snow.

Sandman is in Marvelscape. Sand is currently only in classic scape. The games are fully compatible but it just seems so weird to make you get classic scape to fully enjoy a Marvel figure. It would be like Doctor Doom boosting Zettian Guards or something. Even if they pack sand into the expansions (which would be really lame when they could put more urban terrain in there) there wouldn't be enough sand to make Sandman worth playing. Who's going to pick him if he's only good on four hexes of sand terrain?

[Unknownknowned]

my idea for sandmans interaction with sand hexes is like
when hes standing on a sand hex, he gains the ability vanish __

[ej]

I think it's perfectly okay to make a Sandman with a sand-hex related ability as long as that's not his only ability, and I think putting 4 or 8 sand-hex tiles in the boosters would be just fine, since I don't think anybody else in the wave would have a power that would be dependant on the terrain they're standing on. It makes perfect sense to me.

[Boromir_and_kermit]

Maybe they should release a truck that the sand hexes can be put in, like the movie :lol: then four hexes would be just right!! :wink:

[Havokscry]

I think it's perfectly okay to make a Sandman with a sand-hex related ability as long as that's not his only ability, and I think putting 4 or 8 sand-hex tiles in the boosters would be just fine, since I don't think anybody else in the wave would have a power that would be dependant on the terrain they're standing on. It makes perfect sense to me.

Is there a giant sandbox in the middle of the city?

[Havokscry]

And no, I do not think that the Black Panther can beat the Human Torch (but I have the Marvel writers to think for why everyone would believe that the Black Panther can).

I can think for myself, thank you very much. :wink:

[ROM]

Better late than never first impressions...


:down: The Human Torch, who I think should have been all "flamed-on".

:down: The Thing, who I think should have looked more like John Byrne's version from the 80's.

:down: The Invisible Woman, who I think should have only been half invisible. I think it would have looked cooler.

:up: Super Skrull, though I agree he loses a few points for lacking Reed's stretch.

:up: Sandman looks great.

:up: :up: Bullseye is one of my favorite villains of all time. He looks great and it's cool that I won't have to wait much longer for him.

:down: Black Panther, simply because I prefer the old-school "no cape or necklace" look opposed to his current one.

:up: Punisher, though a more dynamic pose would have been nice, I kind of like this piece anyway.

:up: Doc Ock would have gotten two thumbs up had he been a little pudgier but with the classic duds are just that, classic.

:up: Beast's "classic" look and facial features. I strongly dislike the current feline Beast.

:down: Beast's new-look costume. Terrible. Just throw a pair of purple shorts on him and he's good to go.

I will add that I don't dislike any of the sculpts to the point that I would refuse to play with them.

[Taeblewalker]

Better late than never first impressions...


:down: The Human Torch, who I think should have been all "flamed-on".

:down: The Thing, who I think should have looked more like John Byrne's version from the 80's.

:down: The Invisible Woman, who I think should have only been half invisible. I think it would have looked cooler.

:up: Super Skrull, though I agree he loses a few points for lacking Reed's stretch.

:up: Sandman looks great.

:up: :up: Bullseye is one of my favorite villains of all time. He looks great and it's cool that I won't have to wait much longer for him.

:down: Black Panther, simply because I prefer the old-school "no cape or necklace" look opposed to his current one.

:up: Punisher, though a more dynamic pose would have been nice, I kind of like this piece anyway.

:up: Doc Ock would have gotten two thumbs up had he been a little pudgier but with the classic duds are just that, classic.

:up: Beast's "classic" look and facial features. I strongly dislike the current feline Beast.

:down: Beast's new-look costume. Terrible. Just throw a pair of purple shorts on him and he's good to go.

I will add that I don't dislike any of the sculpts to the point that I would refuse to play with them.

I mostly agree with you, especially about Superskrull. I really like the Thing sculpt, though.

[ej]

I like all the sculpts as they are except for Punisher. And maybe Doc Ock. Both of them could stand to look a little more dynamic.

[jcb231]

I like all the sculpts as they are except for Punisher. And maybe Doc Ock. Both of them could stand to look a little more dynamic.

I like Doc Ock....the way the tentacles are sculpted is quite nice.

I'm not crazy about the Human Torch sculpt, and the Punisher sculpt is okay but not as dynamic as it could be.

[Ursas]

Have to agree with the people about Black Panther. I love his original look. I even like the half mask one. The cape and jewelry doesnt quite do it for me.

I dont like the Torch sculpt but it is growing on me. I am fine with the rest.

[riledguy]

Have to agree with the people about Black Panther. I love his original look. I even like the half mask one. The cape and jewelry doesnt quite do it for me.

I dont like the Torch sculpt but it is growing on me. I am fine with the rest.

I like the black Panther both caped and adorned and the more simple earlier look. So the current one looks good to me.

As I stated the biggest disappointment in the batch is human torch. I can live with not so great choices in sculpts as long as they keep putting out new people.

[jcb231]

Have to agree with the people about Black Panther. I love his original look. I even like the half mask one. The cape and jewelry doesnt quite do it for me.

I dont like the Torch sculpt but it is growing on me. I am fine with the rest.

I think the cape and jewlery makes him look more exotic and regal. I like it better than his old look, which just more silver age super hero I think.

[ej]

I like all the sculpts as they are except for Punisher. And maybe Doc Ock. Both of them could stand to look a little more dynamic.

I like Doc Ock....the way the tentacles are sculpted is quite nice.


I'd agree about the tentacles, but I think the body pose could be a little better.

HOWEVER, I'm nitpicking over a game/figures that I'm really looking forward to purchasing, at my local WalMart... SOON, dagnabbit!

[Taeblewalker]

Have to agree with the people about Black Panther. I love his original look. I even like the half mask one. The cape and jewelry doesnt quite do it for me.

I dont like the Torch sculpt but it is growing on me. I am fine with the rest.

I think the cape and jewlery makes him look more exotic and regal. I like it better than his old look, which just more silver age super hero I think.

True, though I grew up on the pure spandex T'Challa.

[cyco1973]

I can't believe they're releasing any X-men and not releasing Wolverine. Love him or hate him, Logan is one of the most recognized figure in the Marvel universe and wouldn't be too difficult to figure out his powers. I love the Punisher as a choice.

[Taeblewalker]

I can't believe they're releasing any X-men and not releasing Wolverine. Love him or hate him, Logan is one of the most recognized figure in the Marvel universe and wouldn't be too difficult to figure out his powers. I love the Punisher as a choice.

Frankly, I think Beast in this incarnation (blue fur and his costume) is an Avenger, not an X-Man. They might :pray: be waiting for an X-men expansion.

As for Sandman, a sand power would be great, though I wonder if any Marvel set will have sand.

[Sweetcurse]

Well, I like the Torch sculpt. It's his 70's hair that bothers me really. Also, you can just repaint the human areas to reddish and trim the hair with an xacto knife to make him look bald and flamey.

[ROM]

Frankly, I think Beast in this incarnation (blue fur and his costume) is an Avenger, not an X-Man. They might :pray: be waiting for an X-men expansion.

He is wearing the costume that is distinctive to the X-Men.

Personally, I prefer the Beast as an Avenger as he was when I was first introduced to the character.

[ares834]

Frankly, I think Beast in this incarnation (blue fur and his costume) is an Avenger, not an X-Man. They might :pray: be waiting for an X-men expansion.

He is wearing the costume that is distinctive to the X-Men.

Personally, I prefer the Beast as an Avenger as he was when I was first introduced to the character.
Same here but if wishes were horse beggers would ride (as would every other person.)

[ROM]

Same here but if wishes were horse beggers would ride (as would every other person.)

That's why it's good that there are no team designations. I'm holding out for the day I can proudly field this team...

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/large/23565426234.125.gif

[jcb231]

Wolverine's coming, I'd bet my house on it. There's no way this game exists without Wolverine on the drawing board. I wouldn't worry about him not showing up.

[Bazooka]

What no ROM , Space Knight? Blasphemy!!!

http://www.stonefoundationentertainment.com/rom001.jpg

[ROM]

Marvel doesn't have the rights to the character. He's not "officially" part of the Marvel Universe. It would be awesome though.

[Jonathan]

Same here but if wishes were horse beggers would ride (as would every other person.)

That's why it's good that there are no team designations. I'm holding out for the day I can proudly field this team...

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/large/23565426234.125.gif

Hah, Gargoyle - what a weird guy. Sadly, he's a little redundant for the HS universe, but you can always hope!

[Chuckrock]

At this point, it's all relative. With the amount of customs we're churning out, many of the expansions will be duplicates.

[IAmBatman]

Which is why I'm more interested in seeing expansions that deal with new types of things that are relevant for a lot of different figures - like size changing, or shapeshifting, for instance.

[ProSpecT]

Yea, I'm really interested in how you could implement shape shifting? Gets me all giddy and makes my brain hurt.

I just know that when there are enough Expansions out, that my customs did the job they needed to do. That would be to fill the burden of a small incomplete game that Marvelscape is at the moment.

[jcb231]

Doc Savage tells us that those ten figures in the photos are the entirity of Marvel Wave One, but that Mister Fantastic is assured to be on the way.

Hooray! Now I'm not worried about having the Fantastic Three.

[IAmBatman]

So is it safe to assume Mr. Fantastic will be in Wave 3 along with 9 other figures then? (Daredevil also, hopefully, as he'll fit in nicely with Bullseye and Punisher).

[ROM]

Considering that I'm mainly into thematic play, it really blows that Reed is missing from this expansion. In the meantime I'll have to have either the Black Panther or the Surfer fill his spot in the F.F. vs. Dr. Doom battle. I'm also looking forward to some Spider-Man/Human Torch team-ups and throw-downs.

[IAmBatman]

Hulk was also on the FF at one time or another, wasn't he?

[johnny139]

She-Hulk was, but I'm not sure about regular Hulk...

[IAmBatman]

I knew She-Hulk was for sure. We probably won't have her for some time though, unfortunately. I do know that there have been several versions of the FF over the years, though. Wasn't there one version with like Spiderman, Ghost Rider, and a couple others?

[Talos]

No Mr Fantastic??? That sucks, no I mean it really sucks... Fair enough breaking up a group like the X-men where so many of the characters are interchangeable, and the group has always been in 'flux'.

The FF should be released as a Team in one expansion wave. Heaven only knows how long we'll have to wait for another expansion. That's the sort of marketing stunt that can leave you without a complete set of figures if something awful should happen to the line.

That's the most dissapointing news regarding Marvel heroscape yet.

Bad form Hasbro. Please explain yourselves. :chainsaw:

[ROM]

I knew She-Hulk was for sure. We probably won't have her for some time though, unfortunately. I do know that there have been several versions of the FF over the years, though. Wasn't there one version with like Spiderman, Ghost Rider, and a couple others?

A number of heroes have been on the FF at one time or another. Luke Cage was even a member at one time.

Technically, the FF briefly consisted of Spider-Man, Ghost Rider(II), Hulk and Wolverine. If memory serves it was a three issue story arc. Personally, I don't consider any of those heroes to be members of the FF, at least in any "official" capacity.

[IAmBatman]

Oh, for sure, the FF isn't quite the same without Reed Richards, but there are plenty of other characters already out (or soon to be out) that can fill in decently until he's released.

[Eclipse]

I still like Spiderman in the blue FF suit with the paper bag over his head. He's perhaps my favorite member of the team.

[Talos]

Don't you think that after releasing 5 standalone heroes in the box set, that a complete 'Marvel team-up' would have been in order?

I know they have had some substitute members but the group is called the Fantastic FOUR :brickwall: and if memory serves Reed has never been a long standing absentee...

Two questions for those of you still wondering at my frustration:
1)How long before the next expansion wave comes our after this first one in December?
2)Do we have conclusive proof that Reed will be in the next expansion after that, or will there be more waiting?

I'm sorry, it just smacks to me a little of some Hasbro bean counter saying "Let's split the teams up so they have to keep buying the product to complete a set!"

I've got news for them, we ARE buying when they actually manage to get it into a shop (let alone into a country outside the US). We don't need to be coaxed like this. And if somebody mentions blind packaging, I'll be outta here so fast it'll make everybody's head spin. :evil:

If there is another reason behind the decision, I'm all ears.

[rdhight]

If there is another reason behind the decision, I'm all ears.

Maybe it has to do with his status as thinker and team leader. So far, we know we're getting X-Men, but no Prof. X, Cyclops, or other mutant leader; Avengers, but no Fury; Fantastic Four, but no Reed. Maybe the designers want us to have the team members for a while before their leaders are released. Or maybe they want Cap, Doom, and Red Skull to have the only leadership roles for a while before new bosses come out.

Another explanation would be that they're going to make him a big, bulky figure, and he would have dropped the number of characters in this wave (or whatever it is) too low. They could be saving him for a future large figure expansion.

Maybe the fantastic three will match up well against a Super Skrull/Doom/Surfer team and they want to allow that to play itself out before adding to it.

Finally, there are a lot of factions within the Marvel universe and readership to service. Take me for example. Personally, I don't care if we never see Reed or any other fantastic four-related characters. I'm certainly not plunking down any money for Mole Man unless he has a great gameplay effect! Imagine if this wave came out with only 9 figures and 5 of them were Reed, Sue, Johnny, Thing, and Super Skrull-- what a ripoff! I'd be getting singles for sure. To me, getting Punisher and Black Panther was worth more than all the F4 combined could ever be. And then you've got your Spider-Man villains, X-Men, all the supernatural characters... then you figure in we haven't gotten any magic-users, any evil mutants, any robots, any squads... I think you're being unreasonable when you want a wave to consist of 50% or even 40% figures from a particular book/team.

[Talos]

OK, just to clarify a few things. I don't think it's unreasonable with a team so clearly delineated as the FF to expect they will be released together. You think so, and we are both entitled to our opinions.

I didn't suggest that the whole 10 figures should have been FF related. I'm on the other side of the fence as far as the Punisher and Black Panther go. While the Punisher is cool, I can't for the life of me understand why the Black Panther is in there when there are so many other mainstream Marvel charcaters yet to add.

If they are going to go down this road, why not do wave expansions with a themed heroes and villains in each one so we can pick and choose what we want.

You don't have to bother yourself with the FF then and I can skip the Panther...

[Cavalier]

OK, just to clarify a few things. I don't think it's unreasonable with a team so clearly delineated as the FF to expect they will be released together. You think so, and we are both entitled to our opinions.

I didn't suggest that the whole 10 figures should have been FF related. I'm on the other side of the fence as far as the Punisher and Black Panther go. While the Punisher is cool, I can't for the life of me understand why the Black Panther is in there when there are so many other mainstream Marvel charcaters yet to add.

If they are going to go down this road, why not do wave expansions with a themed heroes and villains in each one so we can pick and choose what we want.

You don't have to bother yourself with the FF then and I can skip the Panther...

If you look at Classic Scape, you see that often they release units that work together in seperate waves. Why should Marvel be different?

[Talos]

I guess because my completist nature tells me so... you guys obviously don't see a problem... I do...

This isn't Classic 'Scape, it's Marvel 'Scape. Why shouldn't it be different. These are teams that have always worked together in the comics... The 'units' you mention have been complete squads they have complimentary abilities when combined with other complete squads.

The Fantastic Four without Reed is not a complete squad is it? That was all I set out to say...

[rdhight]

If they are going to go down this road, why not do wave expansions with a themed heroes and villains in each one so we can pick and choose what we want.

You don't have to bother yourself with the FF then and I can skip the Panther...

If anything, the two sets of 10 figures we've seen so far have been aggressively anti-thematic. As though the designers went out of their way to avoid coming out with a particular box of figures that matched up with a particular comic book or even small group of books. Now that I think about it, I don't think the names of teams or individual books appear anywhere in the manual. And as people have pointed out, they completely ignored any opportunity to release the figures from a Marvel movie simultaneously with that movie or the merchandise from it.

Maybe the real explanation is that Hasbro decided on, or had forced upon them by the terms of their agreement with Marvel, a plan to release the Marvel characters in a mixed mass, without tying them to specific books, movies, or teams. Maybe Marvel won't allow an X-Men expansion and a Fantastic Four expansion.

Heroclix is somewhat responsive to the comic stories themselves... a crossover or important storyline happens in the books, and the Clix conform to it. Maybe Marvel decided this is a way to keep their miniature lines distinct: Heroclix has redesigns, themed expansions, and team abilities that are based on writing, and Marvelscape is pretty much independent of the events in the books.

[Ursas]

rd is most likely correct. I also think its good marketing to not include all of one particular group right away. This ensure's that if Reed is in the next expansion for some completists or people who love the FF they will have certain sales. Sure there are many more mainstream characters inthe Marvel U but they have to make sure this line sells for as long as they can. Drawing out "teams" is one way to do that.

[Talos]

*Sigh*
I'm sorry, it just smacks to me a little of some Hasbro bean counter saying "Let's split the teams up so they have to keep buying the product to complete a set!"

I've got news for them, we ARE buying when they actually manage to get it into a shop (let alone into a country outside the US). We don't need to be coaxed like this.

I'm not disagreeing here, I just think there might have been a better balance struck. If they were going to break up the FF, why not split it into two sets of two? That way you've got more incentive to purchase the next set, and it looks a little less like "We've got ten figures here, but I keep thinking we forgot to put one in" :roll:

[ninthdoc]

*Sigh*
I'm sorry, it just smacks to me a little of some Hasbro bean counter saying "Let's split the teams up so they have to keep buying the product to complete a set!"

I've got news for them, we ARE buying when they actually manage to get it into a shop (let alone into a country outside the US). We don't need to be coaxed like this.

I'm not disagreeing here, I just think there might have been a better balance struck. If they were going to break up the FF, why not split it into two sets of two? That way you've got more incentive to purchase the next set, and it looks a little less like "We've got ten figures here, but I keep thinking we forgot to put one in" :roll:

You've still got better odds of getting more of the same team in Heroscape than in, say, Heroclix.

[jcb231]

If they told Doc Savage Reed's coming, I'd believe he'll appear in the next couple waves.....it seems like he'd be a good Wave Two inclusion along with Daredevil and Wolverine. They could act as the anchors for that wave and would work well with what we already have.

[Legion]

Hey i just need to know when they come out!!!! I heard it come out around December.

[HS Beast]

Hey i just need to know when they come out!!!! I heard it come out around December.
You heard correctly.

[ares834]

Imagine if the made Marvel Zombies!

[ProSpecT]

Imagine if the made Marvel Zombies!

Hopefully thats all I'll have to do. Is imagine...

[Talos]

Imagine if the made Marvel Zombies!

Hopefully thats all I'll have to do. Is imagine...

Amen to that. I think the zombies are the most ridiculous twisting of Marvel characters I've ever seen. :grumble:

[Rythos]

Just what HS needs is more crap Zombies :)

[CriesJuggernaut]

Imagine if the made Marvel Zombies!

Hopefully thats all I'll have to do. Is imagine...

Amen to that. I think the zombies are the most ridiculous twisting of Marvel characters I've ever seen. :grumble:

Heroscape = good
Marvel = good
Zombies = good

Heroscape + Marvel + Zombies = good.

Maybe it's all this new info on the Esenweins, or the fact that I just got done playing a game with the Zombies of Morindan for the first time, or the fact that Halloween is around the corner but I would love if they introduced Marvel Zombies into Heroscape. But I don't ever see it happening.

[Tiak]

I'm just not impressed with the expansion choices. I think they lined the master set too heavily with powerhouses that these seem to be a little blah. Just not too impressed with the movie villain line. Sandman, Doc Ock, and Bullseye aren't really top of the line villains. I don't know, maybe I was hoping for Thor, comic Green Goblin, Daredevil, Ms. Marvel, She-Hulk, and many more that my brain can't think of. It's almost like they're trying to push as many characters that appeared in the movies as possible. blah.

Yeah, That is the only real problem i have. Lots of movie related characters in the first expansion. I am excited about the fantatsic four or should i say Three. LOL
I think it's also odd that they made all of the fantastic four except one. But hopefully he will be in the next set and hopefully there will be more Avengers Like THOR in future expansions. :)

[Legion]

The Marvel zombies will bond with Utgar's zombies and become the ultimate zombie hoard!*Drake* Dangit......
:johnwoo: :zombie: :zombie: :zombie: :zombie: :zombie: :zombie: :zombie: :zombie: :zombie: :zombie: :zombie: :zombie: :zombie: :zombie: :zombie: :zombie: :zombie: :zombie:

[Tiranx]

So its December, are the marvelscape expansions comming out? Share the wealth of knowledge if you have it.

[ej]

So its December, are the marvelscape expansions comming out? Share the wealth of knowledge if you have it.

I'll start from the beginning: First the Earth cooled, then the Dinosaurs came. They turned into oil, and Hasbro made Heroscape out of them. Sadly, the Transformers movie convinced Hasbro to ramp up production on Transformers toys, so it's highly probable that Heroscape was effected by this decision and all the release dates we've been told are no longer valid. Wave 8, the Jungle terrain and the Marvel expansion may all be delayed by months, but hopefully not too many months. I'm hoping to see the Marvel expansion before February, but more than likely it will be late February or possibly even March before we're able to get it.

[Ben{Rix}]

I am disappointed

:(

[IAmBatman]

I'm poor anyway.

[ej]

Yeah, this is the season I'm mandated by law to buy junk for others instead of for myself.

[IAmBatman]

I bought myself some new tires. Unfortunately they take precendence. Man, I hate being an adult. :(

[allskulls]

I bought myself some new tires. Unfortunately they take precendence. Man, I hate being an adult. :(
Dangit! I come here to forget about adulthood :evil: :wink:

[that guy]

I'm a homeowner, a husband, and a father, and I don't consider myself an adult. It's all about perspective.

[ej]

I'm in debt. When I was a kid I wasn't in debt.
I'm a father. When I was a kid I wasn't a father.*
I'm a husband. When I was a kid I wasn't a husband.
I'm employed. When I was a kid I wasn't employed.
I'm playing Heroscape. When I was a kid I wasn't playing Heroscape.

Moral of the story - enjoy your childhood. You only get it once. Well, twice, now that Hasbro makes Heroscape.

*... that I KNOW of...

[IAmBatman]

It's too late to enjoy our childhood now, though. Shouldn't the moral of the story be to enjoy our adulthood by acting like children? :P

[ej]

It's too late to enjoy our childhood now, though. Shouldn't the moral of the story be to enjoy our adulthood by acting like children? :P

Actually, the moral of the story is Reading is Half the Battle.

[that guy]

It's too late to enjoy our childhood now, though. Shouldn't the moral of the story be to enjoy our adulthood by acting like children? :P

Actually, the moral of the story is Reading is Half the Battle.

Well, I guess we have the whole battle because knowing is the other half. :lol:

[ej]

I'm sure bullets are involved somehow... where are my GI Joe tapes?

[that guy]

I'm sure bullets are involved somehow... where are my GI Joe tapes?

I think they were lasers, and they were only good for blowing up vehicles so everyone survives. They got mad skills just like The A-Team.

[IAmBatman]

It's too late to enjoy our childhood now, though. Shouldn't the moral of the story be to enjoy our adulthood by acting like children? :P

Actually, the moral of the story is Reading is Half the Battle.

Because knowledge is power! :D

[Eclipse]

It's too late to enjoy our childhood now, though. Shouldn't the moral of the story be to enjoy our adulthood by acting like children? :P

Actually, the moral of the story is Reading is Half the Battle.

Because knowledge is power! :D

But is it the power of Greyskull?

[Talos]

But is it the power of Greyskull?
A little off topic, but if you have seen 'Hot Fuzz' that quote is even funnier than you remember.

[Fatespuppet]

Yarp. :wink:

[hextr1p]

But is it the power of Greyskull?
A little off topic, but if you have seen 'Hot Fuzz' that quote is even funnier than you remember.
That movie is friggin' awesome. One could easily argue that it's better than 'Shaun of the Dead.' :D

[Fatespuppet]

I agree, although there were lots of references to Shaun in Hot Fuzz. HF has a ton of good lines, but I think the best is the completely unexpected "This REALLY hurts!" from Timothy Daulton(sp?) :rofl:

[link10020]

I don`t really mind the random selection were getting, I`d reather make my own lineup of marvel characters than field existing teams.

But that's just me,

[Mistman]

Yes I agree, like Ultimate Alliance. Maybe there should be a power that means Villains could switch sides as they're so unpredictable. I'm sure that Carnage should get in the HS battle... He would be awesome alongside Venom. WOOT go super spidey destruction squad (Venom+Carnage)!

Die Spidey, DIE

[link10020]

well i have been thinking of a sort of official vote, where we take the 20 characters we know MS has, then decide which characters are hero/anti hero/villian. I know most would be obvious (spidey = hero = doom = bad guy) but some are debatable. I can see hulk being a hero or antihero, punisher is the same way. then lets say we have 7 heros 7 villians and 6 AH's. then people who play good vs evil would have 13 characters each to pick from. (7+6) so one fight could be spidy and venom vs Doctor doom and punisher, or spidey and cap vs venom and sandman.

What do you think?

[cephalodd]

I'm suprised the Doc hasn't been getting more attention. Although I liked the movie incarnation a lot better than his comic form, I'm still happy that we're getting him at all.

Maybe I'm a little bit prejudiced though... ;)

[SgtDrill]

Bah.

Give me:

Forbush Man
Peter Porker, the Spectacular Spider-ham
Captain Carrot and the Zoo Crew
Marvel Zombies
The Impossible Man

[Jandar911]

go fantastic three

[Turtleboy]

Yes I agree, like Ultimate Alliance. Maybe there should be a power that means Villains could switch sides as they're so unpredictable. I'm sure that Carnage should get in the HS battle... He would be awesome alongside Venom. WOOT go super spidey destruction squad (Venom+Carnage)!

Die Spidey, DIE



Just like to point out, Venom teamed up with Spider man to beat up Carnage. That is all :)

[TheNowhereMan]

I want a full on X-Men vs. Brotherhood Marvelscape master set.

[IAmBatman]

And who would your ten heroes/villains of choice be, TheNowhereMan (name of a great show I used to love on UPN, btw)?
For me, it'd probably be along the lines of ...
Magneto
Prof X
Mystique
Storm
Blob
Cyclops
Toad
Wolverine
Pyro
Jean Grey

But, then, I'm not sure who exactly has been in the Brotherhood, so my villain selection is a bit limited by that.